IRC log of #schooltool for Thursday, 2014-10-02

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asdsdHello i was just wonering if there is any plan for school tool in centos02:05
asdsdI just saw this software and i am kinda interested. However as a linux engineer, our company uses Centos OS and i would like to give that a shot02:06
th1ahi asdsd.02:16
th1aVarious people have done rpm packaging in the past, it is definitely doable.02:17
th1aNobody has really stuck with it over time though.02:17
th1aAt this point SchoolTool packaging is a LOT of packages, because the underlying framework -- Zope -- was split up into many packages.02:18
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th1ahi replaceafill.17:33
replaceafillStudent Name Labels report17:33
replaceafillhey th1a17:33
replaceafilli found a word file with the 5160 avery template:17:35
replaceafillas usual we need a description for that report :)17:36
th1aYou could probably make the line spacing smaller.17:36
replaceafillah sure17:36
th1aIt looks like you're cutting the margin a little close.17:36
th1aActually, just tighten it up between the names and leave it the same for the extra line.17:37
replaceafillok, i think i can use two paragraph styles to do it17:38
th1aFor the description just "Formatted for Avery 5160 labels."17:39
replaceafillah ko17:39
th1aI'm going to go print a group sign in/out.17:42
th1aJust a sec.17:42
th1aI accidentally printed one out on 3x5 photo paper.17:48
th1aLooks pretty sharp!17:48
th1aHowever, I think (on letter size now), we've finally gone too small.17:48
th1aI think we need to allow a little more vertical space for writing in those boxes.17:49
th1aIt would be fine for reading.17:49
replaceafillah ok17:49
replaceafillhow tall do you think those rows should be?17:51
th1aI'd say two more points.17:51
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th1aMaybe a touch more.17:51
replaceafilltwo more points on the fonts, keeping the top/bottom paddings17:51
th1aI mean, basically print it out and write on it.17:51
th1aThat's what I'd try first.17:52
th1aI mean... I guess 50% more in total?17:52
replaceafilli think that's an easy change, let me try it17:52
th1aPeople's signatures get big.17:52
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replaceafillUbuntu Regular 1017:54
replaceafill(it was 8)17:54
th1aJust a sec...17:55
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replaceafilli'm not sure if Rick uses the samples he sent17:56
replaceafillbut i printed his Sign In & Out17:56
replaceafilland the row heights was very similar17:57
replaceafillour font was smaller17:57
th1aOK, let's go with this for now.17:58
th1aOK, I'm setting up a 12.04 vm and can't get add-apt-repository to work.18:02
replaceafillmaybe you need to install python-software-properties18:03
th1aI had a hash sum mismatch error in updating that probably is causing it.18:03
replaceafilli had that a few days ago with one of the linodes18:04
th1aYeah, you need to clear the cache or something.18:04
replaceafilli didn't find a solution :(18:04
replaceafilli tried that18:04
replaceafillbut it didnt work for me18:04
replaceafilldeleting the lists18:04
th1aHuh.  Works for me now.18:04
replaceafillit got fixed the next day :/18:04
replaceafillah ok18:04
th1aMan, I've got a big pipe now.18:05
replaceafilla big pipe?18:05
th1aFibre optic pipe.18:06
replaceafillhow much download?18:06
th1aLet's try it...18:07
th1a57.9 Mbps.18:07
th1aThat doesn't even seem right.18:07
th1aI'd better check to see if I don't have a more expensive plan that I'm supposed to!18:07
replaceafillok, i'll work on the custom reports18:08
replaceafilland finish the contact labels18:08
th1aOK, so I'll upload the new VM page today.  I'm happy with how it turned out.18:08
replaceafilli just found the 5163 template18:08
replaceafillah nice18:08
th1aI'll feel less panicky next time I have to deal with that.18:08
th1aAnd especially if a client wants to do it.18:08
th1aThe big thing is that we can now give instructions that are entirely self-contained.  You don't need to know anything about the user's network.18:09
th1aOr make them figure out anything about their own network.18:09
th1aOK.  Thanks replaceafill.18:11
replaceafillok, thanks th1a18:11
* replaceafill goes to get breakfast, bb in ~3018:12
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th1areplaceafill: ayt?23:08
replaceafillth1a, yes23:09
th1aHow difficult would it be to make first names optional in ST?23:10
th1aWould we get errors all over the place?23:10
replaceafillmaybe just the person index23:11
replaceafilli mean, catalog23:11
replaceafillwe could adjust the title property on person to deal with it23:11
replaceafilldid you get a request about it?23:12
th1aApparently they use one name in Bhutan.23:12
replaceafilli've always wondered how important is the first_name, last_name split23:13
replaceafillinstead of just a "full name" field23:14
replaceafillsince i read some article on usability :D23:14
th1aIn which context?23:14
th1aEntering names in a single field?23:15
th1aWe definitely wouldn't want that.23:16
replaceafilli just wonder how well that works23:16
replaceafillwe could give the first_name change a try23:16
th1aI'd say that's pretty far down the list of usability issues in the world.23:16
th1aI'll say it is probably possible.23:16
replaceafillis anyone using ST in Bhutan23:16
th1aNot yet!23:17
replaceafillah ok23:17
replaceafillpotential customer23:17
th1aPotential user at least.23:17
replaceafillth1a, you around?23:36
th1ahi replaceafill.23:40
replaceafillquick question23:41
replaceafillon the report specs, for mailing labels you wrote:23:41
replaceafill"Pick up all the parent-ish (not siblings) contacts with addresses and them (by last, first)."23:41
replaceafillthe "and them" means sort them, right?23:41
replaceafillwe usually sort according to the Name sorting setting23:42
th1aUh, maybe I mean the students themselves?23:43
replaceafillthe students? but we print the contacts in that report23:44
replaceafillnot the students23:44
th1aIf they have addresses?23:45
th1aWhy wouldn't we print the student's addresses if they had them?23:45
replaceafilloh! the self-contact23:46
th1aThere are no self contacts, I'm told. ;-)23:46
replaceafilli didn't take those into account :(s23:46
th1aThe current user wouldn't care but a college would.23:46
replaceafillbound contact :P23:47
replaceafilli'll add those23:47
replaceafillbut what about the sorting?23:47
replaceafillshould i stick to the name_sorting preference23:48
replaceafillor do you think we should override that for some reason?23:48
replaceafillforcing (last, first)23:48
th1aNo, don't override.23:48

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