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| th1a | Testing... | 17:20 |
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| th1a | xchat on Ubuntu doesn't behave well when waking from suspend. | 17:20 |
| th1a | Hm... | 17:21 |
| th1a | blah blah | 17:22 |
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| th1a | menesis: ayt? | 17:57 |
| th1a | yvl: ayt? | 17:59 |
| yvl | hi th1a | 17:59 |
| yvl | was about to leave actually | 17:59 |
| th1a | Well... | 18:00 |
| th1a | we're still fucking up for Glenda. | 18:00 |
| yvl | :| | 18:00 |
| th1a | Her updated manager is not getting added to Clerks and Site Managers... | 18:00 |
| th1a | OH | 18:00 |
| th1a | I guess I know why. | 18:00 |
| * yvl listening | 18:01 | |
| th1a | I told you to add the existing members of the admin groups to Clerks and Site Managers but I forgot *manager* isn't a member of either! | 18:01 |
| th1a | He's just "superuser." | 18:01 |
| th1a | Is that the problem? | 18:01 |
| yvl | yes | 18:02 |
| yvl | just checked | 18:02 |
| yvl | sorry | 18:02 |
| yvl | very embarrassing :| | 18:03 |
| th1a | Well, you did exactly what I said! | 18:03 |
| yvl | is her username "manager"? | 18:04 |
| th1a | That's the default superuser, right? | 18:05 |
| yvl | yes | 18:05 |
| th1a | I guess this is a bit of a security hack... | 18:05 |
| th1a | Can we check for superuser-ness? | 18:05 |
| th1a | I don't understand what that does at all. | 18:05 |
| yvl | at some point, we do not have groups at all | 18:05 |
| yvl | because of no school years | 18:06 |
| yvl | superuser has extra powers | 18:06 |
| yvl | btw, when creating a new year, superuser is put to those groups | 18:08 |
| th1a | We need it in case of emergency. | 18:08 |
| th1a | Ah... | 18:08 |
| th1a | OK. | 18:08 |
| yvl | umm, anything I can help with? | 18:12 |
| th1a | Can you add the superuser to Clerks and Site Managers? | 18:12 |
| yvl | ok, I can write evolution for that | 18:14 |
| yvl | superuser also can do that himself | 18:14 |
| yvl | just FYI | 18:14 |
| th1a | Yes. | 18:14 |
| th1a | The decision is whether to just have Glenda add that step to the instructions or wait a day for the fix. | 18:15 |
| yvl | evolution pushed to trunk | 18:22 |
| th1a | Thanks yvl. | 18:22 |
| th1a | You can go home now. ;-) | 18:22 |
| yvl | my pleasure th1a | 18:22 |
| yvl | ok :) | 18:22 |
| yvl | see you tomorrow :) | 18:22 |
| th1a | Yes. | 18:23 |
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| th1a | Ah, replaceafill. | 22:14 |
| replaceafill | hey th1a | 22:14 |
| replaceafill | trying to understand your email | 22:14 |
| th1a | Indeed. | 22:14 |
| replaceafill | i think she's talking reports? | 22:15 |
| replaceafill | i mean | 22:15 |
| replaceafill | the issue is that the manager can't access reports? | 22:15 |
| th1a | Well... | 22:16 |
| th1a | Maybe. | 22:16 |
| replaceafill | "I am able to access individual sections and run the three aforementioned reports" | 22:16 |
| th1a | But I think what she was saying is if you're a Site Manager AND a School Administrator, you can't see the reports. | 22:16 |
| replaceafill | can you clarify the "aformentioned" part? | 22:17 |
| replaceafill | maybe she told you about specific reports in the chat? | 22:17 |
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| th1a | She started with this: OK. Lee fixed this issue, but my permissions are still off. When I was using trunk to test all of the permissions...and to document them in the revised admin directions... I noted that these reports (Per Student Skills, VA Section Report, Aggregated Student Skills)could be accessed through "Section" by everyone (teachers accessed through the gradebook). NOW when I am logged in as manager/schooltool and selection a particular s | 22:18 |
| th1a | ection, I get the message that I am not allowed to access this page. What's up? | 22:18 |
| th1a | yvl and I figured out that the manager wasn't getting added to the new admin groups because we forgot HE isn't in any to start with. | 22:19 |
| th1a | That is, we added everyone in the original admin groups to Site Managers and Clerks, but not just the default manager. | 22:19 |
| replaceafill | cool, that helps | 22:19 |
| replaceafill | right | 22:19 |
| th1a | In the evolution. | 22:19 |
| replaceafill | i saw yvl commited a new evolution fix today | 22:20 |
| replaceafill | for that | 22:20 |
| th1a | y | 22:20 |
| th1a | So that was the bigger bug. | 22:20 |
| th1a | And this other thing is something she just stumbled on. | 22:20 |
| th1a | Glenda is doing a great QA job, but it kind of trickles in painfully. | 22:21 |
| replaceafill | it's a great help imho | 22:21 |
| replaceafill | something tests should do... | 22:21 |
| replaceafill | anyway | 22:21 |
| replaceafill | i'll try to reproduce | 22:22 |
| th1a | Internally, are there ever any declarations that say the equivalent of "if you're in this group you CAN'T see this?" | 22:22 |
| replaceafill | with those specific reports | 22:22 |
| th1a | Yes, we're getting bitten in the ass by inadequate testing. | 22:22 |
| Martin______ | Hello, i have problem with gradebook. There is some activities, i can score activity with point, but i need score every activity with grade. Is there any way to do this? [Sorry for my bad english] Thanks.. | 22:22 |
| replaceafill | th1a, not that i know of | 22:22 |
| replaceafill | Martin______, do you speak spanish? | 22:23 |
| th1a | Martin______, You mean a grade instead of a numeric score? | 22:23 |
| * replaceafill speaks spanish :) | 22:23 | |
| th1a | Martin______: We haven't implemented that yet because the calculations can be weird. | 22:24 |
| Martin______ | No, i dont speak spanish... I am from Czech republik, in our school we use numeric grade (1=A in US school system), and in activity i can fill for example 19 point of 20 point, but i want fill in grade 1 (=A in US school system).. | 22:26 |
| th1a | How do you calculate grades then? | 22:28 |
| th1a | Average the numbers and round? | 22:31 |
| Martin______ | We have 5 grades - 1 (excelent), 2, 3, 4, 5 (worst)... Student have in schoolyear for example 1,1,5,1 -> 1+1+5+1 = 8 -> 8/4 = 2 -> At the end of school student have from curse grade 2... | 22:32 |
| Martin______ | Its normal mathematical average | 22:33 |
| th1a | OK... | 22:33 |
| th1a | I think we might be able to make this work. | 22:34 |
| Martin______ | Thank you :) It is only think what i miss in Schooltool... | 22:36 |
| th1a | Well, I'm thinking. | 22:36 |
| th1a | So 5 is the worst? | 22:37 |
| th1a | I think someone else had this issue before, and the more we thought about it, it seemed like the only real problem was when you went to indicate what the minimum passing score was. | 22:38 |
| Martin______ | Yes, i think its similar to F in US school | 22:38 |
| th1a | So we created an option in the score system to set a maximum passing score instead of minimum. | 22:38 |
| th1a | Otherwise, if you just make everything a 5 point assignment, I'm not sure that anything breaks. | 22:39 |
| th1a | And then you'll need a custom score system for the final grade that knows that higher numbers are bad, | 22:40 |
| th1a | Maybe it breaks somewhere but I can't think of why offhand. | 22:40 |
| th1a | replaceafill: I don't seem to be able to replicate Glenda's bug on her instance. | 22:41 |
| replaceafill | th1a, me neither | 22:41 |
| replaceafill | i'm not sure if i'll get the bug if i try a new trunk instance now | 22:43 |
| Martin______ | Oh yes, combination of score system and option of activity, possibly can solve this problem... | 22:43 |
| th1a | You're lucky you're using numbers. | 22:43 |
| th1a | You just have to set each activity to 5 points, which is a little annoying. | 22:43 |
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| th1a | replaceafill: I think she just got confused/crossed up somehow. | 22:44 |
| replaceafill | th1a, probably | 22:44 |
| th1a | Let me try one more thing. | 22:45 |
| Martin______ | I go try this... | 22:46 |
| th1a | OK, thanks Martin______. | 22:46 |
| th1a | OK, I think I understand, replaceafill. | 22:46 |
| replaceafill | i wish i had a command for "get me a new trunk sandbox with this, this and this component enabled"... | 22:46 |
| * replaceafill listens th1a | 22:46 | |
| th1a | It is just that she can't wrap her head around the idea that the site manager is just the sys admin. | 22:47 |
| th1a | So yes "For now, manager has to be in School Administrator to access individual sections. Removed manager from site manager and I still have access." | 22:47 |
| replaceafill | ah | 22:47 |
| replaceafill | manager as the "super user"? | 22:47 |
| th1a | Because hypothetically, you don't really want your sys admin digging around sections. | 22:47 |
| th1a | But of course he can elevate himself anyhow, so it is a minor point at best. | 22:48 |
| replaceafill | got it | 22:48 |
| replaceafill | maybe now that we have permissions working better for different tasks, we should suggest not using manager so much anymore | 22:49 |
| replaceafill | i mean "the super user" | 22:49 |
| th1a | Clearly saying over and over again "manager should be in Site Managers and Clerks" just doesn't make sense to people. | 22:49 |
| Martin______ | Thank you for help, I try it tomorow... Thank you... | 22:51 |
| replaceafill | th1a, did you see Pujendra's reply to my mail? | 22:55 |
| replaceafill | it was just a data problem | 22:55 |
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| th1a | The space. | 22:57 |
| th1a | Yes. | 22:57 |
| th1a | They also have a CanDo bug I need to forward. | 22:57 |
| th1a | replaceafill: Can you queue up the schooltool package in the dev PPA? | 23:06 |
| replaceafill | sure | 23:06 |
| replaceafill | let me look | 23:06 |
| replaceafill | oh, this is *dev* | 23:07 |
| th1a | ? | 23:07 |
| replaceafill | i don't think there's a recipe for dev | 23:08 |
| th1a | Oh... | 23:08 |
| replaceafill | no th1a, i don't see the option to build | 23:09 |
| replaceafill | i think these are not built automatically | 23:10 |
| th1a | Do you mean ONLY built automatically? | 23:10 |
| th1a | How are they built? | 23:11 |
| replaceafill | i mean, menesis probably needs to upload the packages to that ppa | 23:11 |
| th1a | Oh, ok. | 23:11 |
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