IRC log of #schooltool for Wednesday, 2013-05-29

replaceafillth1a, yay! numbers make sense now :D00:19
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replaceafillth1a, just shared a spreadsheet with you16:13
replaceafilleven though my numbers make sense now because i took into account only graded activities16:14
replaceafilli still have a slight difference with the current implementation16:14
th1aWhat is the question replaceafill.16:14
replaceafillcan you check the way i've calculated the 96 average?16:15
th1aCheck it for what?16:15
th1aI'm an English teacher, replaceafill, use words.16:15
replaceafillis it correct for a 30, 10, 10 weights scenario?16:16
replaceafillin my head 30, 10, 10 says: the first category is 3 times as important as the other two, correct?16:16
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th1aWell, it isn't three times more important than both of them.  It should be the same as 60/20/20, right?16:17
Alex____Hello - anyone here?16:17
th1ahi Alex____.16:17
Alex____I have a problem adding skills - is this a good place to ask ?16:18
th1aAre you a Virginia CTE person?16:19
th1aOK, just checking.16:20
th1aWhat's your question?16:20
Alex____So I have done a clean 13.04 Ubuntu - and clean SchoolTool 2.4.0 install - everything works great - I have setup Years, Terms, People, Now adding in Skills - Can create Document and layers - when I try to add a 'Skill' I get an error: KeyError 'SkillScoreSystem-' and lots of Python Traceback16:21
Alex____Looking at the Score systems - the defaults all work and I added an extra one16:21
th1aOK... you should probably file a bug for that:
Alex____ok - I can do that - but is there a stable version I can use ?16:22
th1aWith the traceback and where you get it.16:22
th1aThere is not a MORE stable version.16:23
Alex____So putting Ubuntu onto an LTS version and an older version of schooltool might not be any better ?16:24
th1atbh, the primary users of CanDo (in Virginia) all import the same skill set from a spreadsheet, so what you're doing is relatively untested.16:24
Alex____Oh ok16:24
Alex____thats interesting16:24
th1aI mean, it worked for us.16:24
Alex____Ill try an import instead of the GUI16:24
th1aDefinitely file the bug so we can fix it.16:24
Alex____Thanks for your help16:25
th1aSorry about the bug.16:25
Alex____no worries :)16:25
* replaceafill remembers something related to z3c.form and that traceback16:26
th1aOh, is that a known bug replaceafill?16:27
replaceafilllooking...16:27 the bug list :)16:27
replaceafillno, sorry, can't find it16:29
replaceafilli remember hitting that in a dev sandbox16:29
replaceafillbut iirc it was because a change to versions.cfg of some sort16:30
Alex____Import works fine16:30
Alex____Thanks for that workaround16:30
th1areplaceafill:  Do you know why your spreadsheet is different than the gradebook calculation.16:30
th1aAlex____:  Good.  Please post the traceback though so we can fix it.16:30
th1ahi menesis, replaceafill, yvl.16:33
yvlgood morning16:34
replaceafillthis is the closest i've got to the scoresystem bug:
replaceafilli remember it got fixed after menesis modified versions.cfg16:34
replaceafillmaybe we need to test in the deb packages16:34
replaceafillin 13.0416:34
replaceafillgood morning/afternoon btw16:35
th1aOh, ok.  Hopefully the traceback will make it clear.16:36
replaceafillapparently i wrote an email to menesis too...16:36
replaceafillfound it16:36
th1aI ended up having to make a doctors appointment for Julia at 10:30, so I have to leave a bit after 10:00 (a half hour).16:37
replaceafill"CanDo's add skil form is broken by new version of z3c.form"16:37
* replaceafill hates thunderbird!16:37
th1areplaceafill:  What's your status overall?16:37
replaceafillth1a, ah sorry16:38
replaceafillabout the calculation16:38
replaceafilli think it's different because the current implementation expects the categories to sum up 10016:38
replaceafillbut you get the difference16:38
replaceafilleven if you use 60/20/2016:39
replaceafill(that's why i selected those values btw)16:39
replaceafillso i'd think i've hit a bug in the weights16:39
replaceafillor my approach is plain wrong16:39
replaceafillbut i don't think s16:39
th1aThe the old implementation Alan's?16:40
th1aApparently all this isn't as straightforward as I'd have thought.16:40
replaceafillmy bad, i got confused with math yesterday16:41
th1aIs it not clear how his works?16:41
replaceafillwell, i haven't pdb it yet, i just noticed the difference until i removed the 100 % requirement on weights16:42
th1aThanks Alex____.16:43
replaceafilli think menesis is aware of the break, right?16:45
replaceafill"The z3c.form upgrade only affects ubuntu raring, and the flourish16:45
replaceafillbranch. cando servers run on precise. So they need not to worry."16:45
th1areplaceafill:  This is just surprising to me because intuitively averaging a few numbers seems so much more straightforward than, well, doing anything in Zope.16:46
replaceafillth1a, well, if you have the deb packages try the 60/20/20 scenario16:46
replaceafilland you'll see the 94%16:47
th1aI believe you that they're different.16:47
menesisreplaceafill: I knew there was some problem with z3c.form, but before release I couldn't find any16:47
th1aIt just seems like the whole thing should be a lot easier to illustrate in, say, Python.16:47
th1aOr, for that matter, it is just a bit weird that exactly what is going on is not more clear.  I guess that's just the hell of Zope.16:48
replaceafillth1a, what i'm not sure about is: is it me or the current implementation that is wrong?16:49
th1aI have no idea.16:49
replaceafillbasically, based on that scenario: should it be 94% or 96%16:49
th1aIf we don't really know what is going on in the current one, then ???16:50
th1aProbably you're right.16:50
replaceafilli'll dig in16:50
replaceafilland i'm really sorry i'm not clear explaining this16:50
th1aWell, I'm not clear either.16:50
th1aAnd apparently the current code isn't, which is the biggest problem.16:51
replaceafillthat's why i use google spreadhseets16:51
replaceafillbecause i think the numbers are clearer16:51
th1aYeah, well, if I didn't HATE SPREADSHEETS that would work.16:51
replaceafilli'll write a paragraph with the scenario th1a :P16:51
replaceafillok, let me pdb the current implementation and find the difference16:52
th1aOK.  Probably the current version is just wrong.16:52
replaceafilli think so16:52
* replaceafill done16:52
th1aSo fix that and then do this CanDo bug.16:52
replaceafillth1a, ah last thing16:52
replaceafillah never mind, found it16:52
* replaceafill done (again) :)16:53
th1aOK.  Thanks.16:54
yvlmy Oculus Rift arrived today16:54
yvlso... you know.16:54
yvlalso, quite seasick now, it does that apparently16:54
th1aSo you know, that's why my productivity took a hit...16:55
yvlwaited for 9 months :D16:55
yvlarrived earlier than expected16:55
yvland immersion is more than words can express :)16:55
* replaceafill googles oculus...16:56
yvlOculus VR, or Oculus Rift16:56
yvlyes it is!16:56
th1aI suspect it will be like the iPad.16:56
yvlit might16:57
th1aThe thing everyone thought we wanted/would have twenty years ago, which we finally gave up on about 15 years ago,16:57
th1aand then finally the tech was really ready and OH! I guess we did want this!16:57
th1aGave up on about 5 years ago, I mean.16:57
yvlwhen you bump into stuff in VR it is almost physical16:58
yvlso, yeah.16:58
yvlbut seasickness :D16:58
th1aThat would be a problem.16:58
th1aAnyhow, I have to leave in 10 minutes.16:58
yvlI did look over the role maps16:59
yvlit is unfinished, yes?16:59
th1aIt is?16:59
yvlterms and school timetables seem untouched16:59
yvlbut it will be quite helpful17:00
th1aOh, guess I missed the last page.17:00
th1aI'll finish it.17:00
th1aDoes it make sense?17:00
yvlyes it does17:00
th1aI've neutered the clerk a bit.17:00
yvlit also turns out I didn't finish the Failing reports page17:01
yvlso I'm finishing it now17:01
yvlit has a somewhat nasty form though17:01
yvlsource deployed sheet dropdown17:01
yvland min/max score that is either text line or a dropdown17:01
yvlso implementation was not immediate :)17:01
yvlsince I had to either remake properly in z3c form, or remake the request dialog17:02
* yvl done17:02
* th1a feels like we've spent a lot of time fixing Alan's bugs this year.17:03
th1aThat's what happens when other people have to work with his code.17:03
th1aThanks yvl.17:03
menesisI have been pushing on packaging trunk with supervisor17:04
menesisthen looked at the report ssl bug17:05
menesiscouldn't find the reason why that happens17:05
menesisbut avoided http requests from report generation altogether17:06
menesisgoing over the trunk branch to cherry-pick bugfixes if there are any17:06
menesisand will do a bugfix release of schooltool today17:06
menesisthen continue packaging celery17:06
th1aOK.  So you don't understand why the bug comes up but you have a workaround?17:07
th1aThe SSL bug.17:07
th1aFair enough.17:07
th1aOK.  Anything else before I have to bolt?17:07
th1aOK.  Thanks!17:08
th1aHave a good week/end, gentlemen.17:08
yvlthanks th1a17:08
* th1a drops the bag of gravel.17:08
yvlgreat week guys ;)17:08
replaceafillthanks everybody17:09
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