IRC log of #schooltool for Tuesday, 2012-06-05

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aelknerreplaceafill, ayt?02:44
aelknerreplaceafill, ayt?02:44
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replaceafillaelkner, i'm here02:51
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th1ahi replaceafill.16:45
th1aI just looked at the report.16:45
replaceafillhey th1a16:45
th1aNow we just need to turn that into graphics, right?16:45
replaceafillyou know one thing i noticed yesterday16:46
replaceafillin the ssa.demo.xlsx file16:46
replaceafillthe BasicSkills sheet16:46
replaceafillseems like they can score an activity multiple times16:46
replaceafillor maybe i misunderstood the sheet16:47
replaceafillbut for some skills like "Joint Attention Skills" 7.16:47
replaceafillthey score 1, 1, 116:47
replaceafillfor the first 3 scores16:47
replaceafillin some of them they set 1, 216:48
replaceafillor 1, 1, 216:48
replaceafilljust made me wonder :)16:48
th1ayes, you can always score skills multiple times.16:48
th1aThat's why we have history.16:49
replaceafillok, graphics now?16:49
replaceafilllike the aggregate.demo.png?16:50
replaceafillor indiv_student_competency_report.gif?16:50
replaceafilli don't understand the red/blue in indiv_student_competency_report.gif16:52
replaceafilli understand each "block" is a skill16:53
replaceafilldivided in 4 parts (each type of score)16:53
replaceafillnever mind16:54
replaceafillit's in the other image (the meaning of the colors)16:54
replaceafill1st assessment, 2nd...16:54
replaceafillmaybe that's the history part :)16:54
th1aI was thinking we could color code by date of assessment.16:55
th1aThat's in the history, right?16:55
replaceafilli think so, evaluations have dates16:55
replaceafilllet me check16:55
replaceafillyes, scores have time, and evaluations are scores16:56
replaceafillare you going to do the d3 stuff?16:57
replaceafillhow do we do it?16:57
replaceafillcolored divs?16:57
th1aI think D3 is overkill.16:57
th1aFor this.16:57
th1aDon't you essentially just need a loop and some colored divs?16:58
replaceafillbut we don't have history yet in cando16:58
replaceafillso we'll have only one div colored16:58
th1aAh, ok.16:58
replaceafillonly the first assessment16:58
th1aOh, yvl should be working on that now.16:58
th1a*Should* be.16:58
replaceafillok, i'll start on that after breakfast :)16:58
th1aThanks replaceafill.16:59
th1aAlso, check these out: and
replaceafilllogic for css!17:01
yvlreplaceafill, we don't have history in cando?17:02
yvlwhere did it go?17:03
replaceafillyvl, sorry, i didnt check :(17:03
yvland as of today, we also have history in journal on my machine :)))17:03
yvland we have two journals - one for attendance and one for grading17:04
replaceafillyvl, cando uses the same gradebook history functionality?17:04
replaceafillmy bad :D17:04
th1aOK, good work yvl.  ;-)17:04
replaceafillyvl, btw could you check one of my commits?17:05
yvlwell, it should have extra functionality for equivalency17:05
yvlI'll do that at some point17:05
replaceafillyvl, ^17:05
yvlwhen we have equivalency in projects, for example ;)17:05
replaceafillyvl, if i understood the history change correctly, we cannot delete evaluations anymore, correct?17:06
replaceafillthey just get unscored17:06
yvlwe can delete evaluations17:07
yvlbut I think gradebook unscores them so that we could se who deleted them17:07
yvland when17:07
yvlIIRC :)17:08
replaceafilldef removeEvaluation17:08
yvlyes, that's what I said17:08
yvlgradebook unscores them17:09
replaceafillbut they are not deleted, right?17:09
replaceafilllike they used to be17:09
yvlbut see
replaceafillok, let me rephrase that17:09
replaceafillremoveEvaluation doesn't delete them anymore?17:10
replaceafillah ok17:10
replaceafillso my change to the unit test is ok?17:10
replaceafillbecause the test uses removeEvaluation above that diff17:10
replaceafilland now the removed evaluation appears in the diff17:10
replaceafillas unscored17:10
replaceafillthat's the part i was not sure about17:11
yvlsorry man, I can't tell from a glance17:11
replaceafilli think i got it right17:12
replaceafillalthough it seems that some methods in the gradebook are only used in unittests :)17:12
yvlit's very likely ;)17:12
yvlthat is even more very likely ;)17:13
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replaceafillyvl, you gone?18:08
replaceafillth1a, zyt?18:44
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th1areplaceafill:  I'm here.20:26
replaceafillhey th1a20:26
replaceafilli have a few questions20:26
replaceafilli have the history now20:27
replaceafillbut i dont understand something in the graph20:27
replaceafillcould you open indiv_student_competency_report.gif20:27
replaceafillit seems to me that it's possible to mark 3 different scores for a skill in a single assessment20:29
replaceafillthe four columns in the chart are:20:30
replaceafill1:1, S, N, G20:30
replaceafillsee the first column in the file20:30
th1aSorry, I was spacing out.20:30
replaceafillsee the Joint Attention column in the gif20:30
th1aJust a minute...20:31
th1aYes, I'm looking at it.20:36
replaceafillmy point is, we cannot create several evaluations for a skill at the same time20:38
replaceafilland as David said, we cannot assume that if the person has a G score, he also has 1:1, S, and N scores20:38
replaceafilllook the third-to-last skill in the right column20:39
replaceafill1:1 is blank20:39
th1aShould I be looking at the spreadsheet?20:39
th1aThere are the different social settings.20:40
replaceafillsocial settings = scores, right?20:40
th1aLet's look at the spreadsheet.20:40
th1aOK, so I didn't quite understand this.20:42
replaceafillin the Intro worksheet20:43
th1aI would say that each skill may need to be modeled as a skillset, and the individual settings as skills.20:43
th1aIf that makes any sense.  ;-)20:43
replaceafilli see what you mean...20:44
replaceafillbut we'd end up with lots of worksheets in the gradebook20:44
th1aAs opposed to what?20:44
replaceafilla worksheet per skill group20:45
replaceafillright now we have a Joint Attention Skills worksheet20:45
replaceafillwith 7 skills20:45
replaceafillthat would become 7 worksheets20:45
replaceafillwith 4 skills each20:45
th1aIt is either that or we do it sot hat it is one worksheet with 28 skills.20:46
th1aOr four worksheets with  seven skills each.20:47
replaceafillone worksheet per score20:47
* replaceafill scratches his head...20:48
th1aThe skillsets could be the contexts.20:49
replaceafillcontexts? as in zope contexts? :)20:50
replaceafillah, yes20:52
replaceafillthat would mean, one worksheet per setting20:52
th1aEssentially, we'll be asking them this on Thursday, so you can kind of do whatever.20:52
replaceafillto me, they'd need a custom view for the assesment20:54
replaceafillwe could use our stuff on the background20:54
replaceafillhistory, skillsets, scoresystem, etc20:54
replaceafillok, i'll try the one skillset per skill approach20:56
replaceafilli wonder if we could use sections as worksheets :)20:57
th1aIf we were going to change it we'd be going to one sheet per student.20:57
th1aOne form per student.20:57
th1aIt would be a custom form but not a grid.20:58
th1aWe may end up doing that.20:58
replaceafillshould i try that?20:58
th1aI don't think so today.20:58
replaceafillit's a nice use case though :)20:59
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