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| th1a | hi aelkner, yvl, menesis. | 16:30 |
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| th1a | replaceafill won't be with us this morning. | 16:30 |
| * th1a needs to go pour some coffee... | 16:30 | |
| menesis | hi | 16:31 |
| aelkner | morning | 16:31 |
| th1a | ok | 16:35 |
| th1a | Also, I won't be here tomorrow morning. | 16:35 |
| yvl | hey guys | 16:35 |
| th1a | I think we'll survive. | 16:36 |
| th1a | So I got the sample school migration to work after descending into buildout hell yesterday. | 16:36 |
| th1a | replaceafill got me out. | 16:36 |
| yvl | great! | 16:36 |
| th1a | Takes a while, as you might expect. | 16:37 |
| yvl | :))) | 16:37 |
| th1a | I don't notice any performance issues in an initial poke around. | 16:37 |
| yvl | good to hear! | 16:37 |
| th1a | Also, you probably saw my Schwa post yesterday. | 16:38 |
| th1a | Just think of SchoolTool Flourish as our Windows Vista. | 16:39 |
| yvl | Windows 7 :) | 16:39 |
| th1a | Or not. | 16:39 |
| th1a | We'll see what they want to do next. If it is going to be helpful to the overall branding, we'll go with it, if not, not. | 16:39 |
| yvl | are you driving to see them in person tomorrow Tom? | 16:40 |
| th1a | I have not heard back, but no, that's not why I won't be here... | 16:40 |
| yvl | ok | 16:40 |
| th1a | there's a certain new skatepark... | 16:40 |
| yvl | ah! :D | 16:40 |
| th1a | http://ebworcester.blogspot.com/2011/07/new-plainfield-ct-skatepark.html | 16:41 |
| th1a | I should be back here around 10:00. | 16:41 |
| th1a | OK. | 16:42 |
| th1a | What's up, yvl? | 16:42 |
| yvl | no problem, I have stuff to do; Alan and Douglas can have a later meeting :) | 16:42 |
| yvl | right | 16:42 |
| yvl | so, I flourished levels | 16:42 |
| yvl | they kind of mimic school demographics view | 16:42 |
| yvl | as in - add / reorder views | 16:42 |
| yvl | and I added demographics / resource attribute breadcrumbs along the way | 16:43 |
| yvl | they're somewhat crude, but better than nothing :) | 16:43 |
| yvl | the rest of the day - jquery stuff | 16:43 |
| th1a | I'll take a look at levels later. | 16:44 |
| yvl | sure | 16:44 |
| yvl | I'm updating jquery UI version a little bit, adding UI translations, so on | 16:44 |
| th1a | Aren't we using the .deb of jquery-ui? | 16:44 |
| yvl | no | 16:45 |
| th1a | I guess I'll leave that up to you and menesis. | 16:45 |
| yvl | well if you really want to, I can use them | 16:45 |
| * yvl is not sure if it's worth that for say, this release | 16:46 | |
| yvl | so I'll be toying with that for the better half of tomorrow also | 16:47 |
| yvl | and we'll use jquery-ui translations for calendar, right? | 16:48 |
| th1a | Don't ask me. | 16:48 |
| yvl | ok, let's use them and see what happens | 16:49 |
| yvl | anyway | 16:49 |
| yvl | is there something you'd like me to push to my queue, Tom? | 16:49 |
| th1a | Oh... let's see... | 16:50 |
| yvl | you can email me later today if it's more convenient for you | 16:51 |
| th1a | I'll have to think about it. | 16:51 |
| th1a | Yes. | 16:51 |
| yvl | sure | 16:51 |
| th1a | Also, I'll be working on a screencast, which will uncover lots of paper cuts. | 16:51 |
| yvl | sure | 16:51 |
| th1a | Oh... well, we need to add in essentially all the import views. | 16:51 |
| th1a | They'll pretty much go where they were. | 16:52 |
| th1a | (that is, there is no grand reorganization) | 16:52 |
| th1a | So that. | 16:52 |
| yvl | hmm | 16:52 |
| yvl | right, that's a big one. | 16:52 |
| yvl | ok, a medium one | 16:52 |
| th1a | Straightforward, but it'll take some time. | 16:52 |
| yvl | yes | 16:52 |
| th1a | Enough to get you through to the Monday meeting. | 16:52 |
| yvl | of course | 16:53 |
| th1a | OK. Cool. | 16:53 |
| th1a | Thanks. | 16:54 |
| yvl | oh, and there's the pending translations thing - someone has to go over the system and check what is missing where -- and why | 16:54 |
| th1a | Yes. We can think about that next week. | 16:54 |
| yvl | sure | 16:54 |
| yvl | thanks | 16:54 |
| th1a | I'm going to have to change a bunch of text next week anyhow. | 16:54 |
| yvl | good point | 16:54 |
| th1a | OK. aelkner? | 16:56 |
| aelkner | ok, i made various fixes to the intervention views | 16:57 |
| aelkner | let's start with the student view, jelkner:jelkner | 16:57 |
| aelkner | http://69.164.203.135:36660/schooltool.interventions/2010-2011/jdoe | 16:57 |
| aelkner | the only add view that works is message | 16:57 |
| aelkner | and the message index.html view is not there yet either | 16:58 |
| th1a | Maybe year can go below add in this page. | 16:58 |
| aelkner | so you like Add in addition to the + buttons, good | 16:58 |
| aelkner | i thought both would be better than only one | 16:58 |
| th1a | Oh... um, | 16:58 |
| th1a | Maybe not. | 16:59 |
| aelkner | some users are more graphical, some more verbal, so i thought both would be nice | 16:59 |
| th1a | Well... clutter. | 16:59 |
| aelkner | i also thought you would be concerned about that :) | 16:59 |
| th1a | I could use an example that had some of these things. | 17:00 |
| aelkner | ? | 17:00 |
| th1a | I mean, some messages, goals, status messages... | 17:01 |
| aelkner | yeah, well, i need to get those add views working next | 17:01 |
| th1a | Oh. OK. | 17:01 |
| aelkner | perhaps, you'd have more to say after i have more for you to see | 17:01 |
| th1a | So I'd say get rid of the add sidebar. | 17:01 |
| aelkner | you figure the users will have to get used to the + buttons | 17:02 |
| aelkner | we do have Add in other views | 17:02 |
| aelkner | like People | 17:02 |
| th1a | We'll see. | 17:02 |
| aelkner | shall we keep it for now? | 17:02 |
| th1a | Basically people won't tell you to unclutter. | 17:03 |
| aelkner | yes, i understand | 17:03 |
| th1a | They will tell you if something's missing that they don't know how to do. | 17:03 |
| th1a | So let's try less for now. | 17:03 |
| aelkner | so definitely get rid of Add for now? | 17:03 |
| th1a | Definitely provisionally. | 17:03 |
| aelkner | ok :) | 17:04 |
| aelkner | also, the Intervention tab and student search views look like they should now | 17:04 |
| aelkner | i needed to create flourish versions of the table filters and adjust the view templates | 17:04 |
| aelkner | to move the fieldsets into the filter widget | 17:04 |
| th1a | Should we talk about new message? | 17:05 |
| aelkner | that moved the buttons outside of the gray area | 17:05 |
| aelkner | and mode the tables render as they should | 17:05 |
| aelkner | sure | 17:05 |
| aelkner | the person list widget needs some love | 17:05 |
| th1a | We need to make "Recipients" clearer. | 17:06 |
| aelkner | i only struggled with getting it to work in z3c | 17:06 |
| th1a | I don't know what that means. | 17:06 |
| aelkner | what whould it say? | 17:06 |
| th1a | What does it mean in this context. Does it refer to the table below? | 17:06 |
| th1a | That big warning below is confusing. | 17:07 |
| aelkner | the warning could be moved | 17:07 |
| aelkner | i could swap the label and the warning if that helps | 17:08 |
| th1a | Um... | 17:08 |
| th1a | I think we need to be a little clearer about the implications of that information. | 17:08 |
| th1a | Actually, only SLA would be assuming that emails would be sent. | 17:09 |
| aelkner | and they don't even use it any more, so... | 17:10 |
| aelkner | should it just get rid of the warning? | 17:10 |
| th1a | What if we add a "Send message via email." checkbox that is selected by default IF the email server is enabled. | 17:10 |
| yvl | and disabled if the server is disabled | 17:10 |
| aelkner | what if the email serve is not? | 17:11 |
| aelkner | the checkbox is disabled if the email is disabled | 17:11 |
| th1a | Yes, inactive. Or just not there at all. | 17:11 |
| aelkner | after the person list? | 17:11 |
| th1a | Not there at all would be ok with me. | 17:11 |
| aelkner | ok | 17:11 |
| th1a | After the message body I'd say. | 17:11 |
| aelkner | ah | 17:11 |
| aelkner | ok | 17:12 |
| yvl | +1 th1a | 17:12 |
| aelkner | cool, good notes | 17:13 |
| aelkner | th1a, anything else? | 17:13 |
| th1a | The other views look pretty good. | 17:14 |
| aelkner | something to consider regarding your point earlier | 17:14 |
| aelkner | it's true a user will not report that the UI is cluttered | 17:15 |
| aelkner | however, it is likely that they will get very frustrated if they can't find something obvious | 17:15 |
| aelkner | like how to add something | 17:15 |
| th1a | Yes, I know. | 17:15 |
| aelkner | yeah, it's not easy to decide | 17:15 |
| th1a | We can add it back easily enough. | 17:15 |
| aelkner | yeah, i'll get rid of it for now | 17:15 |
| th1a | We have two months until the release. | 17:16 |
| aelkner | it wold be nice if we could get jelkner to use flourish this fall | 17:16 |
| aelkner | then maybe we'd get intervention feedback sooner than later | 17:16 |
| th1a | He will be. | 17:16 |
| aelkner | and he is quick to report when things are difficult to use | 17:16 |
| aelkner | cool | 17:16 |
| aelkner | ok, i have plenty to do for now | 17:17 |
| th1a | Cool. | 17:17 |
| th1a | I got my iMac back with a new screen and power supply in a day, so my screencasting setup is back. | 17:18 |
| aelkner | btw, did you notice gradebook breadcrumbs work now | 17:18 |
| th1a | looking... | 17:19 |
| aelkner | yvl fixed something that caused the traversal up section, year, school to work | 17:19 |
| aelkner | is didn't even have to do anything new :) | 17:19 |
| aelkner | i didn't | 17:19 |
| aelkner | his fix just fixed it | 17:19 |
| th1a | I like leaving the year out. | 17:19 |
| aelkner | he probably did that at you request, right? | 17:20 |
| th1a | It is a little ugly permissions-wise though. | 17:20 |
| aelkner | yes, permissions | 17:20 |
| th1a | That is something we should try to clean up before the release. | 17:20 |
| th1a | Let teachers see all the sections but disable the links they can't see. | 17:20 |
| th1a | Or something like that. | 17:20 |
| yvl | right | 17:21 |
| th1a | It'll take a little thought. | 17:21 |
| th1a | OK. I think we're set for now. | 17:22 |
| th1a | Thanks guys. | 17:22 |
| yvl | yep | 17:22 |
| th1a | Talk to you Monday. | 17:22 |
| * th1a drops the bag of gravel. | 17:22 | |
| yvl | have fun skating! | 17:22 |
| th1a | Hopefully it won't rain. | 17:22 |
| yvl | see you guys Monday :) | 17:23 |
| aelkner | cya yvl | 17:23 |
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