| aelkner | replaceafill: ayt? | 00:34 |
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| replaceafill | aelkner, yes | 00:35 |
| aelkner | hey man! | 00:35 |
| aelkner | how's it going? | 00:35 |
| replaceafill | hey aelkner | 00:35 |
| aelkner | i have some questions about the latest on cando | 00:36 |
| replaceafill | aelkner, ok | 00:36 |
| aelkner | 1) is it still svn? | 00:36 |
| replaceafill | 1) yes | 00:36 |
| aelkner | 2) what's the url of what jason uses? | 00:36 |
| aelkner | i think i should get jelkner using that | 00:36 |
| replaceafill | u mean trunk? | 00:36 |
| replaceafill | :O | 00:37 |
| replaceafill | yeah | 00:37 |
| aelkner | that's what i'm asking | 00:37 |
| aelkner | is it trunk? | 00:37 |
| replaceafill | yes | 00:37 |
| replaceafill | he always merge my changes to trunk | 00:37 |
| aelkner | i thought maybe jason would wan to create some kind of release branch | 00:37 |
| replaceafill | dont know, until now i have my dev branch, from time to time we sync it with trunk | 00:38 |
| replaceafill | that's all | 00:38 |
| aelkner | oh, ok, that's cool | 00:38 |
| aelkner | hey, is there much talk of swine flu where you are? | 00:39 |
| replaceafill | i'm just waiting to get it :D | 00:39 |
| replaceafill | yes the government is worried | 00:39 |
| aelkner | aren't you the optimist :) | 00:39 |
| replaceafill | :D | 00:40 |
| aelkner | could you remind me of the exact command for checking out cando trunk? | 00:40 |
| aelkner | duh | 00:40 |
| aelkner | i mean the url | 00:41 |
| replaceafill | svn co https://youruser@svn.schooltool.org/cando/trunk/ | 00:41 |
| aelkner | thanks | 00:41 |
| aelkner | btw, i don't think you need the user part | 00:42 |
| replaceafill | :O | 00:42 |
| aelkner | as long as your user id is the same on the machine you're running | 00:42 |
| aelkner | you probably know that :) | 00:42 |
| replaceafill | oh yes, i use it because i use elbixio as user :) | 00:42 |
| replaceafill | in my pc | 00:42 |
| aelkner | right | 00:43 |
| aelkner | anyway, thanks | 00:43 |
| aelkner | i have to get jelkner's cando instance up to date | 00:43 |
| replaceafill | ah ok, let me know if i can help you | 00:43 |
| aelkner | sure will, thanks | 00:45 |
| aelkner | replaceafill: ok, here's a question | 00:46 |
| aelkner | what do i need to do to set up the gradebook | 00:47 |
| aelkner | i'm a bit out of practice with cando | 00:47 |
| aelkner | do i have to add a slug to plugins-enabled? | 00:47 |
| replaceafill | u mean the schooltool gradebook? | 00:47 |
| replaceafill | yes | 00:47 |
| replaceafill | to the instance | 00:47 |
| aelkner | yes, the schooltool.gradebook | 00:48 |
| replaceafill | i use school.zcml or the plugins/ directory | 00:48 |
| aelkner | ok, i got it now | 00:48 |
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| aelkner | ignas: ayt? | 01:02 |
| aelkner | yvl: ayt? | 01:03 |
| Lumiere | actually | 01:10 |
| Lumiere | you don't need to add anything to cando | 01:10 |
| Lumiere | you just need to enable the gradebook include | 01:11 |
| Lumiere | because we don't turn it on | 01:11 |
| Lumiere | (code is there in egg for external activities) | 01:11 |
| aelkner | Lumiere: come again? | 01:13 |
| replaceafill | Lumiere, but if you want to enable the ST gradebook from cando you have to add the zcml for it | 01:13 |
| aelkner | right | 01:13 |
| aelkner | Lumiere: your users aren't using schooltool.gradebook, right? | 01:13 |
| th1a | aelkner: I assigned some bugs to you. | 01:51 |
| aelkner | th1a: cool | 01:52 |
| th1a | You should try to get them out of the way before the release. | 01:52 |
| Lumiere | aelkner: we need it because of external activities | 01:52 |
| Lumiere | aelkner: we don't turn it on | 01:52 |
| Lumiere | should be a matter of turning it on | 01:53 |
| aelkner | Lumiere: how would you turn it on? | 01:53 |
| Lumiere | add the zcml | 01:53 |
| aelkner | th1a: let me look | 01:53 |
| aelkner | th1a: i only see one critical | 01:54 |
| aelkner | could you set the ones that you want asap to critical please? | 01:54 |
| th1a | Fix the ones set to the Jaunty milestone. | 01:55 |
| th1a | I mean, they aren't critical, but they should be fixed before the release. | 01:55 |
| aelkner | ok | 01:56 |
| aelkner | Lumiere: that's what Douglas and I were saying | 01:56 |
| aelkner | you need to set the zcml | 01:56 |
| aelkner | th1a: do you know when eggs get built? | 01:59 |
| aelkner | i just did a checkout and build of cando trunk | 01:59 |
| aelkner | and the resulting schooltool.gradebook egg was old | 01:59 |
| aelkner | didn't have any of my changes from this month | 01:59 |
| replaceafill | aelkner, it's that way | 01:59 |
| replaceafill | aelkner, cando uses schooltool.gradebook 0.3 | 02:00 |
| replaceafill | http://ftp.schooltool.org/schooltool/releases/nightly/2008.10.cfg | 02:00 |
| replaceafill | cd .. | 02:02 |
| replaceafill | ll | 02:02 |
| replaceafill | oops sorry | 02:02 |
| aelkner | replaceafill: i think jelkner would want to use: | 02:04 |
| aelkner | http://ftp.schooltool.org/schooltool/releases/nightly/2009.04.cfg | 02:04 |
| aelkner | do you know how i could get it to use that? | 02:05 |
| replaceafill | not really, see r1535 commit message by jason: | 02:05 |
| replaceafill | changed buildout to use the schooltool zope3.4 known good set (KGS) | 02:05 |
| replaceafill | and to lock versions to the current 2008.10 KGS | 02:06 |
| replaceafill | (2008.10.cfg is auto-generated when 2008.10 is eggified) | 02:06 |
| replaceafill | and ignas adviced me to work in the schooltool 2008.10 branch and schooltool.gradebook 0.3 branch | 02:07 |
| aelkner | i can see how jason would not want to use the newer eggs since he has a more sensitive installation | 02:07 |
| aelkner | but jelkner would be fine with bleeding edge | 02:07 |
| aelkner | i wouldn't want to change trunk and mess up jason | 02:08 |
| ignas | I think jelkner can be switched to 2009.04 | 02:08 |
| ignas | it is stable enough now | 02:08 |
| aelkner | but could you tell me what i could manually edit to get jelkner's cando to use the newer eggs | 02:08 |
| ignas | aelkner: edit buildout.cfg and switch from 2008.10.cfg to 2009.04.cfg | 02:09 |
| ignas | i'd say | 02:09 |
| aelkner | oh, i see it now, line 2 | 02:09 |
| aelkner | thanks | 02:09 |
| ignas | makes it easier to test against working schooltool revisions | 02:10 |
| aelkner | ignas: how do you mean | 02:10 |
| ignas | well - if you want to test cando migration from 2008.10 to 2009.04 - you can do it now, as there are separate buildout configurations for those | 02:11 |
| aelkner | do you mean that it is not enough to just change lne 2 | 02:12 |
| aelkner | is there other changes i would need to make? | 02:12 |
| aelkner | actuall i mean line 3 | 02:12 |
| ignas | no, you only need to change that line | 02:12 |
| ignas | and that's it | 02:12 |
| ignas | and run buildout | 02:12 |
| aelkner | how do mean 'test cando migration'? | 02:13 |
| aelkner | that phrase made me nervous | 02:13 |
| ignas | don't worry, that's just in case you need to do that | 02:14 |
| aelkner | do what? | 02:15 |
| ignas | test cando against 2 different schooltool releases | 02:16 |
| ignas | in close succession | 02:16 |
| aelkner | ah, i see | 02:17 |
| aelkner | ignas: i'm using the newer eggs, and i now see my schooltool.gradebook changes | 02:26 |
| aelkner | but | 02:26 |
| aelkner | the activie-tab css doesn't seem to be working | 02:27 |
| ignas | Ctrl+Shift+R | 02:27 |
| ignas | might help | 02:27 |
| ignas | firefox might have cached the css | 02:27 |
| aelkner | hmm, it didn't | 02:27 |
| aelkner | how new is activie-tab? | 02:28 |
| ignas | don't know, who did it? | 02:29 |
| aelkner | you use it in lyceum.journal | 02:30 |
| th1a | ignas: Are custom headers supposed to be released in SchoolTool yet? | 02:31 |
| ignas | hmm | 02:31 |
| ignas | th1a: yeah, i think so | 02:31 |
| th1a | Do you know where one does that? | 02:31 |
| ignas | th1a: calendar PDF view? | 02:32 |
| th1a | How does one customize one's header? | 02:32 |
| ignas | don't know, ask yvl | 02:33 |
| th1a | I will. | 02:33 |
| th1a | Thanks. | 02:33 |
| ignas | aelkner: don't know why it's not there then | 02:35 |
| aelkner | ignas: could it be that we need to update: | 02:37 |
| aelkner | http://ftp.schooltool.org/schooltool/releases/nightly/2009.04.cfg | 02:37 |
| aelkner | schooltool = 2009.04.5dev-r2474 | 02:38 |
| aelkner | is that too old? | 02:38 |
| ignas | schooltool = 2009.04.9dev-r2487 | 02:38 |
| ignas | in here | 02:38 |
| ignas | rerun bin/buildout | 02:38 |
| aelkner | ignas: are you saying you just changed the .cfg file? | 02:39 |
| ignas | yeas | 02:39 |
| ignas | yes | 02:39 |
| ignas | not just | 02:39 |
| aelkner | yeas, indeed :) | 02:39 |
| ignas | but like 5 minutes ago | 02:39 |
| aelkner | that's funny, a coincidence | 02:40 |
| ignas | yep, absolutely ;) | 02:41 |
| ignas | one chance in a million | 02:42 |
| ignas | th1a: ok, it seems that you can't customize the logo at the moment | 02:42 |
| ignas | th1a: the logo is a static resource in skin | 02:43 |
| ignas | th1a: thanks for catching the term titles and missing passwords | 02:46 |
| ignas | th1a: will be in trunk today and thus get included in the next release | 02:46 |
| aelkner | ignas: i figured out what went wrong | 02:46 |
| aelkner | i was using lyceum's css which has active_tab | 02:46 |
| aelkner | that only works if the installation has lyceum hournal | 02:47 |
| aelkner | cando does not | 02:47 |
| ignas | ahh | 02:47 |
| aelkner | so i think i need to create the same css for schooltool.gradebook | 02:47 |
| aelkner | unless we moved it to schooltool itself | 02:47 |
| aelkner | probably better to just put it in schooltool.gradebook | 02:48 |
| aelkner | otherwise we would need to coordinate the changes and that would cost time | 02:48 |
| ignas | in the short term - yes, in the long term - we want that in schooltool | 02:49 |
| aelkner | yeah | 02:49 |
| aelkner | th1a: i sent you an email regarding gradebook column labels | 02:52 |
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| th1a | Ah... the deadline for Gov 2.0 proposals has been moved back to June 1. | 17:25 |
| Lumiere | th1a: did you see that VA's secretary of technology is now going to be the Federal CTO | 17:27 |
| th1a | Yes. | 17:28 |
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| moquist | th1a: hey | 17:59 |
| moquist | th1a: I'm installing schooltool-2008 right now from your PPA | 17:59 |
| moquist | er, I was. Hash Sum mismatch on http://ppa.launchpad.net/schooltool-owners/ubuntu/pool/main/p/python-pypdf/python-pypdf_1.12-1~hardy1_all.deb :( | 18:00 |
| moquist | updated & tried again and it seems to be happy. *shrug* | 18:02 |
| th1a | moquist: Did you talk to Joe? | 18:03 |
| th1a | He said he talked to Matt but I realized both the people I referred him to are named Matt. | 18:03 |
| moquist | Yes, I talked with Joe. We share very similar Grand Visions, and I really hope we get to work together. | 18:07 |
| moquist | I'm installing ST so he'll have a demo server for his presentation on Thursday. | 18:07 |
| th1a | Good. I think we all have the same grand vision. | 18:07 |
| moquist | For now, I'm planning to follow the normal installation instructions (instead of the dev ones) and the ones to create lots of test data. Do you have any other advice about how he can have something impressive to show in his presentation? | 18:08 |
| th1a | Well... I'm not sure what is "impressive" at this point. | 18:09 |
| Lumiere | th1a: maybe http://www.doe.virginia.gov/info_centers/superintendents_memos/2008/11_nov/inf290.html but that's not SchoolTool itself... but for the CanDo module | 18:10 |
| Lumiere | argh it is hot | 18:10 |
| moquist | BTW...it's been a long time since we last spoke (until last week). How far along is ST? I'll be looking for something to replace Virtual School Administrator in the next couple of years for VLACS (vlacs.org). We're a virtual school with 98% part time students and rolling admissions. We don't care at all about a schedule, but guardian info, enrollment processing, grade reporting, and transcripts are very important to ... | 18:11 |
| moquist | ... us...is there any chance ST can become my FOSS delivery from proprietary-land? | 18:11 |
| moquist | We should be able to contribute some development effort along the lines of the functionality we need. | 18:12 |
| th1a | We're releasing 1.0 on Thursday. | 18:13 |
| moquist | NW! | 18:13 |
| th1a | So we've come a long way. | 18:13 |
| moquist | Awesome! | 18:13 |
| moquist | congrats! I was not expecting to hear that. You have made my day. :) | 18:14 |
| th1a | Basically, we now have something that is a recognizably complete SIS. | 18:14 |
| th1a | If not fully featured. | 18:14 |
| moquist | th1a: PM OK? | 18:14 |
| th1a | PM? | 18:14 |
| moquist | private conversation | 18:14 |
| th1a | Yes. | 18:14 |
| moquist | it's considered polite to ask first in some circles. *shrug* | 18:15 |
| moquist | th1a: Moodle and Mahara have a communication protocol called 'mnet'. I'm totally new to it at this point, but it's just a web service. | 18:21 |
| moquist | I haven't checked with any Moodle devs yet, but what would you think about schooltool and moodle integrating via mnet? | 18:22 |
| moquist | It's super-easy for the sysadmin to configure, and it's already handling the integration BTW Moodle and Mahara -- that's why I'm thinking along these lines. | 18:22 |
| Lumiere | we'd have to look at it :) | 18:22 |
| moquist | I'm doing a lot of hand-waving about how possible it actually is. ;) | 18:22 |
| moquist | Lumiere: fair enough. at least it's not a tightly-closed door to begin with. | 18:23 |
| moquist | Lumiere: I need to learn quite a bit more about it, too. | 18:23 |
| Lumiere | we have a partial ReST web services suite, but we stopped actively pushing hard on it to make sure we were feature and UI complete :) | 18:23 |
| Lumiere | *puts pressure on wrist to stop bleeding after cutting himself on a laptop cart | 18:23 |
| moquist | Lumiere: right, first things first (in both cases - yikes!) | 18:24 |
| Lumiere | lol | 18:24 |
| Lumiere | I will be fine... I just needed pressure till it stopped bleeding | 18:25 |
| moquist | I've never [yet] run schooltool -- is it designed modularly so that VLACS, a virtual school that doesn't care about scheduling, can just turn all that off so nobody sees it and gets confused by it? | 18:28 |
| moquist | I almost wonder if there might be a whole set of features that are particular to virtual schools and vice-versa. | 18:28 |
| moquist | No, I do wonder, flat-out. No 'almost' about it. | 18:29 |
| moquist | I've been dreaming about this for 18 months, but I've never thought through it in detail. | 18:29 |
| th1a | I don't know anything about virtual schools, really. | 18:30 |
| moquist | i.e., maybe you want a 'virtual school' mode and a 'brick-and-mortar' mode (with a better name) that make some modifications to how schooltool works. | 18:30 |
| th1a | We actually have a lot of architecture to support different kinds of configurations and deployments. | 18:31 |
| moquist | ATM, I actually only work with our SIS to the extent that it's integrated with Moodle, but I hear the conversations and have to use it once in a while, so I have some picture of what matters to us. | 18:31 |
| th1a | It is hidden when you "apt-get schooltool," as that is meant to be easy and generic. | 18:31 |
| moquist | right | 18:31 |
| th1a | We would definitely use whatever Moodle uses for interop. | 18:32 |
| th1a | If we would get 1% of the Moodle market, we'd be set. | 18:32 |
| moquist | "easy and generic" might be sufficiently different for virtual and brick schools that there could be an easy configuration/installation choice to Do The Right Thing for wherever you are. | 18:33 |
| th1a | Or at least that would be enough to really get things rolling. | 18:33 |
| th1a | We have this buildout architecture that will fetch the parts you need for a custom configuration -- that's what CanDo uses. | 18:33 |
| th1a | There isn't a CanDo deb yet. | 18:33 |
| * moquist nods | 18:33 | |
| th1a | We really just auto-build the debs from python egg packages. | 18:34 |
| moquist | You know, if CanDo integrated with Moodle, that would be awesome. I wouldn't guess things are headed in that direction, though, since there's lots of outcomes/capabilities assessment stuff scheduled for 2.0: http://docs.moodle.org/en/Development:Progress_tracking | 18:34 |
| th1a | Wouldn't guess? | 18:37 |
| moquist | It doesn't seem like Moodle upstream is thinking that way. | 18:38 |
| moquist | i.e., I think they're re-implementing a lot of CanDo. | 18:38 |
| th1a | Which way? Pulling in that data from another app? | 18:38 |
| th1a | Yes. | 18:39 |
| moquist | that's all I meant. | 18:39 |
| th1a | Right. | 18:39 |
| th1a | mnet is xmlrpc? | 18:40 |
| * Lumiere notes that if moodle decided to use cando as a template for competency tracking... it would be a great honor | 18:41 | |
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| th1a | I always find moodle web services documentation to be... inadequate. | 18:45 |
| th1a | At least what can be found in Google. | 18:45 |
| th1a | Ah. Found the overview. | 18:47 |
| th1a | OK, so you can write wrappers to expose any Moodle function to mnet, but only a few work by default. | 18:55 |
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| th1a | It should be really easy to implement xmlrpc in SchoolTool. | 18:57 |
| Lumiere | bbiab | 19:08 |
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| jelkner | so, replaceafill and phufford, gobby is installed here | 22:33 |
| jelkner | replaceafill: i leave phufford in your very capable hands ;-) | 22:33 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, zzzzzz | 22:34 |
| replaceafill | :D | 22:34 |
| jelkner | besides | 22:35 |
| jelkner | if there is nothing else going on here | 22:35 |
| jelkner | we get free archiving if we stay here | 22:35 |
| jelkner | and it is zope 3 education | 22:35 |
| jelkner | very relevant to ST | 22:35 |
| Lumiere | if you ever need archiving | 22:36 |
| Lumiere | let me know and I'll join your channel | 22:36 |
| Lumiere | I log everything | 22:36 |
| jelkner | Lumiere: thanks | 22:36 |
| jelkner | i always have teaching / learning in my mind | 22:36 |
| Lumiere | jelkner: you missed one | 22:37 |
| Lumiere | you always have teaching / learning / insanity in your mind ;) | 22:37 |
| replaceafill | :D | 22:37 |
| jelkner | lol | 22:38 |
| Lumiere | jelkner: you can't deny that some of your plans are just insane :) | 22:46 |
| jelkner | whose denying? | 22:46 |
| jelkner | not me | 22:46 |
| Lumiere | lol | 22:46 |
| * Lumiere thinks about changing nick to Lumiere|GoCaps|DieTorts | 23:00 | |
| jelkner | Lumiere: we are trying to run a sobby session from grokbox | 23:01 |
| Lumiere | ok | 23:01 |
| jelkner | are there any port restrictions that would block replaceafill from connecting? | 23:01 |
| Lumiere | not that I know of | 23:02 |
| Lumiere | what user | 23:02 |
| Lumiere | and is it in a screen | 23:02 |
| jelkner | replaceafill? | 23:02 |
| jelkner | Lumiere is our system god | 23:02 |
| jelkner | he is the guy to ask | 23:02 |
| Lumiere | jelkner: he knows | 23:02 |
| Lumiere | I see nothing in the replaceafill home on there | 23:03 |
| Lumiere | btw sobby is not installed on grokbox | 23:04 |
| replaceafill | Lumiere, hey man | 23:04 |
| replaceafill | no | 23:04 |
| Lumiere | installing | 23:04 |
| replaceafill | thanks | 23:04 |
| Lumiere | try now | 23:05 |
| Lumiere | please put a password on it if you can :) | 23:05 |
| replaceafill | ok | 23:05 |
| replaceafill | Lumiere, it works thanks | 23:06 |
| replaceafill | Lumiere, oops i forgot the password :D | 23:06 |
| Lumiere | lol | 23:10 |
| Lumiere | need a reset? | 23:10 |
| Lumiere | replaceafill: need a pw reset on your devel box? | 23:11 |
| replaceafill | no, i forgot to put a password in the sobby session | 23:11 |
| Lumiere | ah | 23:11 |
| replaceafill | but i did now | 23:11 |
| Lumiere | thx | 23:11 |
| replaceafill | it's the most difficult password in the history of passwords | 23:11 |
| replaceafill | :D | 23:11 |
| Lumiere | lawl | 23:12 |
| Lumiere | I sense a fruity smell coming from the closet | 23:12 |
| * Lumiere is sitting next to the xen vm server | 23:12 | |
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| Lumiere | replaceafill: everything working | 23:22 |
| Lumiere | ? | 23:22 |
| replaceafill | yes, thanks | 23:22 |
| Lumiere | jelkner: here? | 23:31 |
| * Lumiere checks his room | 23:32 | |
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