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| fsufitch | th1a: nooo, i just talked to him online like 30 mins ago | 01:54 |
| fsufitch | jabber: nitromaster101 at gmail dot com | 01:55 |
| th1a | ok good. | 02:12 |
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| aelkner | ccarey: hey! | 02:37 |
| ccarey | aelkner, hi i got the email | 02:37 |
| ccarey | and i'm trying to get set up here | 02:37 |
| aelkner | emails, right? | 02:37 |
| aelkner | there was one from filip and a reply from me | 02:38 |
| ccarey | emails yes | 02:38 |
| aelkner | cool | 02:38 |
| aelkner | fsufitch: ayt? | 02:39 |
| fsufitch | yup | 02:39 |
| aelkner | look who's here | 02:39 |
| fsufitch | i know, he replied | 02:39 |
| fsufitch | and i fwded to u | 02:39 |
| fsufitch | hello, ccarey | 02:39 |
| ccarey | hi fsufitch | 02:39 |
| ccarey | i think my schooltool egg needs to be updated in .buildout/eggs | 02:41 |
| fsufitch | did you follow my instructions? | 02:41 |
| fsufitch | it shoudl completely make a new instance | 02:42 |
| ccarey | i did | 02:42 |
| ccarey | so far, i've just followed the commands in your email | 02:43 |
| fsufitch | and it doesnt run? | 02:44 |
| ccarey | and its failing because its looking for code that is in a newer version of schooltool | 02:44 |
| fsufitch | hmm | 02:44 |
| ccarey | no the egg doesn't match my version of schooltool | 02:44 |
| fsufitch | just do a rm -rf eggs | 02:44 |
| fsufitch | ccarey: ping | 02:53 |
| ccarey | i'm re-setting up cando | 02:53 |
| fsufitch | kk | 02:54 |
| ccarey | and i deleted eggs | 02:54 |
| fsufitch | good | 02:54 |
| ccarey | ok eggs are new and its running | 02:56 |
| ccarey | ty | 02:56 |
| fsufitch | np | 02:56 |
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| aelkner | fsufitch_, ccarey: has dwelsh contacted you about a conference call tomorrow? | 04:02 |
| fsufitch_ | aelkner: no | 04:02 |
| aelkner | he should have | 04:02 |
| aelkner | try to be availabel int the late afternoon if you can | 04:03 |
| fsufitch_ | late afternoon as in 4:00? | 04:03 |
| aelkner | thereabouts | 04:03 |
| fsufitch_ | ook | 04:03 |
| aelkner | so tell me, how's it coming along? | 04:03 |
| fsufitch_ | alrite i guess | 04:04 |
| fsufitch_ | ccarey got his instance running | 04:04 |
| fsufitch_ | i dont know wat he's doing now | 04:04 |
| fsufitch_ | and i think i have an ok understanding of what's going on | 04:04 |
| aelkner | he's got to catch up | 04:04 |
| aelkner | you mean, you read the README and you followed the code as well? | 04:05 |
| fsufitch_ | ccarey: pinggg | 04:05 |
| fsufitch_ | yea | 04:05 |
| aelkner | maybe you could get started on looking at the views while you wait for ccarey to catch up | 04:05 |
| aelkner | you could even write some functional tests | 04:06 |
| aelkner | i don't think eldar did much of that | 04:06 |
| aelkner | you said you found a bug, right? | 04:07 |
| aelkner | you could write the functional test that revelas that bug and then fix it :) | 04:07 |
| fsufitch_ | okay :) | 04:08 |
| fsufitch_ | aelkner: remember the girl i introduced to the team? | 04:10 |
| fsufitch_ | esther? | 04:10 |
| fsufitch_ | (aka haoqili) | 04:10 |
| aelkner | yes | 04:10 |
| fsufitch_ | she's gonna be visiting us at the sprint | 04:10 |
| fsufitch_ | and she's doing her best to learn zope rite now :) | 04:10 |
| fsufitch_ | going thru paul's tutorial | 04:10 |
| aelkner | she's at your school, right? | 04:10 |
| fsufitch_ | no | 04:10 |
| fsufitch_ | she's 2 years above me | 04:10 |
| fsufitch_ | she's entering soph year in college at MIT | 04:11 |
| aelkner | but she was at your school, or how did you meet her? | 04:11 |
| fsufitch_ | oh yeah | 04:11 |
| fsufitch_ | she _was_ | 04:11 |
| fsufitch_ | she does come from TJ | 04:12 |
| aelkner | it will be nice to have her there, the more the merrier | 04:12 |
| fsufitch_ | :) | 04:12 |
| aelkner | uh, we still don't know where ccarey is at the moment, away from home, available tomorrow, etc. | 04:14 |
| aelkner | fsufitch_: btw, looking ahead in the week, when you get the course comps views working (tested) | 04:16 |
| fsufitch_ | mmhm | 04:16 |
| aelkner | you could look into getting the section comps view working | 04:16 |
| fsufitch_ | ok | 04:16 |
| aelkner | mmhm stands for what? | 04:16 |
| fsufitch_ | stands for i'm paying attention to what you're saying :) | 04:17 |
| aelkner | oh, true, there's no way to spell that, or would im hum work? | 04:18 |
| aelkner | the vowel sound is off | 04:18 |
| fsufitch_ | i dont know | 04:18 |
| aelkner | actually, there is no vowel no that i think of it | 04:18 |
| aelkner | but you do trip me up with these chat acronyms often :) | 04:19 |
| fsufitch_ | sorry | 04:19 |
| aelkner | np | 04:19 |
| aelkner | :) | 04:19 |
| aelkner | see i do know some | 04:20 |
| fsufitch_ | yup :) | 04:20 |
| ccarey | sry guys, i'm back | 04:23 |
| ccarey | got pulled away by me parents for a while there | 04:23 |
| ccarey | *my | 04:23 |
| aelkner | me parents sounds more britsh :) | 04:24 |
| aelkner | anyway | 04:24 |
| ccarey | or like a pirate | 04:24 |
| aelkner | right | 04:24 |
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| aelkner | we lost four users at the same time | 04:25 |
| aelkner | and now thy're back | 04:25 |
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| aelkner | is anyone getting my message? | 04:28 |
| aelkner | or am i disconnected | 04:28 |
| ccarey | everyone's getting kicked out everywhere | 04:29 |
| aelkner | fsufitch_, ccarey: ping | 04:29 |
| aelkner | oh, your there | 04:29 |
| ccarey | its happening on #ubuntu too | 04:29 |
| aelkner | did you see me as getting kicked out | 04:29 |
| aelkner | oh | 04:29 |
| aelkner | it's a freenode thing | 04:29 |
| aelkner | so ccarey, have you had a chance to read much of the README | 04:29 |
| ccarey | i'm just starting on it | 04:30 |
| aelkner | cool | 04:30 |
| ccarey | i had to help my parents pick restaurants for disney world | 04:30 |
| aelkner | are you home, and are you going to be all week | 04:30 |
| ccarey | i should be home in the afternoon all this week | 04:31 |
| aelkner | i've already told filip that dwelsh wants to have a conference call tomorrow around 4pm | 04:31 |
| ccarey | ok i should be there | 04:31 |
| aelkner | cool | 04:31 |
| ccarey | how does a conference call work? | 04:31 |
| aelkner | well he's the one that will initiate it, calling each of us individually | 04:32 |
| aelkner | i'm trying to reach him to get a more specific time | 04:33 |
| ccarey | kk | 04:33 |
| aelkner | so since filip is one day ahead of you, i asked him to move on to the views that assign comps to courses and sections | 04:33 |
| aelkner | after you've finished absorbing the README, you could get with him to start looking at that stuff together | 04:34 |
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| fsufitch_ | aelkner: hello | 04:35 |
| fsufitch_ | my internet froze up | 04:35 |
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| aelkner | ccarey says that freenode was dropping people | 04:35 |
| aelkner | th1a was just dropped | 04:35 |
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| aelkner | fsufitch_, ccarey: how's it going? could you give me some status of where you are? | 21:46 |
| ccarey | aelkner, i'm looking through the code relating to README.txt | 21:47 |
| aelkner | ok, good | 21:47 |
| aelkner | after that, take a look at the views for assigning comps to courses and/or sections | 21:48 |
| aelkner | and get with filip on what he knows so you can catch up with him | 21:48 |
| aelkner | can you guys try to arrange times to meet on-line and pair with each other? | 21:48 |
| th1a_ | aelkner: I'm home. | 21:48 |
| aelkner | ok, i'll call | 21:48 |
| ccarey | sure | 21:49 |
| ccarey | fsufitch_: ping | 22:10 |
| fsufitch_ | ccarey: pong | 22:13 |
| ccarey | could you give me a rundown of where we are and what you know? | 22:14 |
| ccarey | i need to catch up | 22:14 |
| aelkner | fsufitch_: ? | 22:20 |
| aelkner | fsufitch_: do you have anything more for ccarey than 'pong'? | 22:21 |
| fsufitch_ | aelkner: sorry, i had to go to lunch right after i ponged | 22:36 |
| aelkner | i'm just trying to make sure you guys are getting together | 22:37 |
| aelkner | and try to discuss as much as possible here in the chat | 22:37 |
| aelkner | so that i can gauge how your progress is going | 22:37 |
| fsufitch_ | so | 22:38 |
| fsufitch_ | i've been gone all day | 22:38 |
| fsufitch_ | so i'm pretty much where ccarey is | 22:38 |
| fsufitch_ | i need to get to understand the views properly | 22:38 |
| fsufitch_ | and get to work | 22:38 |
| aelkner | try to block out times where you can pair programm | 22:39 |
| aelkner | that's important | 22:39 |
| aelkner | you'll be sitting together at the sprint | 22:39 |
| aelkner | but the sooner you get started doing that the better | 22:39 |
| fsufitch_ | ccarey: so? | 22:40 |
| aelkner | i'm hoping the two of you can get the course and section assignment views working by week's end | 22:40 |
| ccarey | i should be available tmrw and friday | 22:40 |
| ccarey | in the afternoon | 22:40 |
| ccarey | tmrw after noon, friday after 2 | 22:41 |
| fsufitch_ | sweet | 22:41 |
| aelkner | i'll be unavailable on friday | 22:41 |
| aelkner | but you two can make progress without me if you back each other up | 22:42 |
| aelkner | fsufitch_, ccarey: you'll need to come to an arrangement of how to pair remotely | 22:44 |
| aelkner | you could use gobby | 22:44 |
| fsufitch_ | i was about to say that | 22:44 |
| aelkner | do you have what you need for that | 22:44 |
| aelkner | a host | 22:44 |
| fsufitch_ | one of us could host | 22:45 |
| fsufitch_ | my comp will always be on | 22:45 |
| fsufitch_ | wait, nvm | 22:45 |
| fsufitch_ | i'm behind an evil firewall | 22:45 |
| aelkner | alan.elkner.net could host | 22:45 |
| aelkner | you'd need an account | 22:45 |
| fsufitch_ | okay | 22:45 |
| aelkner | you already have one | 22:46 |
| fsufitch_ | wait, i alreadt have one | 22:46 |
| fsufitch_ | yup | 22:46 |
| aelkner | try starting one now | 22:46 |
| aelkner | sobby that is | 22:46 |
| aelkner | remember to use & to make it not go away when you log out | 22:46 |
| ccarey | i have to install mine first | 22:47 |
| aelkner | you had gobby last summer | 22:48 |
| aelkner | did you change machines | 22:48 |
| ccarey | yes | 22:48 |
| fsufitch_ | aelkner: does alan.elkner.net have Xorg? | 22:48 |
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| fsufitch_ | so i could ssh -X? | 22:48 |
| aelkner | i don't know | 22:48 |
| aelkner | i'm guessing not | 22:48 |
| aelkner | but you don't need that to start sobby | 22:49 |
| aelkner | sobby is just a server | 22:49 |
| fsufitch_ | oh ok | 22:49 |
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| aelkner | fsufitch_: are you looking up how to start sobby? | 23:01 |
| fsufitch_ | yeah | 23:03 |
| aelkner | i had that tucked away somewher i think | 23:03 |
| aelkner | let me check | 23:03 |
| aelkner | ccarey: do you remember how we start it | 23:05 |
| ccarey | no sry i don't | 23:06 |
| ccarey | i haven't worked with sobby | 23:06 |
| ccarey | just gobby | 23:06 |
| aelkner | ok, i tried just typing sobby | 23:06 |
| aelkner | and it worked | 23:06 |
| fsufitch_ | wow o.O | 23:06 |
| fsufitch_ | port #? | 23:07 |
| aelkner | now i'll restart it with & | 23:07 |
| aelkner | so it's running serving port 6522 | 23:07 |
| aelkner | so both of you open gobby and tell me when you can talk to each other | 23:07 |
| fsufitch_ | okay | 23:07 |
| fsufitch_ | aelkner: yup :) | 23:10 |
| aelkner | ok, so a couple things | 23:10 |
| aelkner | you know how to use pas -aef together with kill, right? | 23:11 |
| aelkner | sorry, ps -aef | 23:11 |
| fsufitch_ | no? | 23:11 |
| fsufitch_ | i use ps aux | 23:11 |
| fsufitch_ | wat's the diff? | 23:11 |
| aelkner | ps -aef give you the running processes | 23:11 |
| fsufitch_ | wat's aux do? | 23:12 |
| aelkner | same thing, only i don't like the output as much | 23:12 |
| fsufitch_ | ah | 23:12 |
| aelkner | it doesn't give the parent PID for one thing | 23:12 |
| aelkner | go to my server and run ps -aef | 23:12 |
| aelkner | let's look at it together | 23:13 |
| fsufitch_ | k | 23:13 |
| aelkner | you see the columns UID PID PPID and at the end CMD | 23:13 |
| aelkner | those are the only important ones | 23:14 |
| fsufitch_ | mmhm | 23:14 |
| fsufitch_ | kill PID rite? | 23:14 |
| fsufitch_ | i know how to use kill | 23:14 |
| aelkner | that's right, not the PPID | 23:14 |
| aelkner | that's the parent process which can be helpful in understanding how a process got started | 23:15 |
| fsufitch_ | mmhm | 23:15 |
| aelkner | try killing sobby | 23:15 |
| aelkner | i know it won't work but i want you to try | 23:15 |
| fsufitch_ | yea, operation not permitted | 23:15 |
| aelkner | right, that's because i own it | 23:16 |
| aelkner | i will kill it | 23:16 |
| aelkner | now you start it, using sobby & | 23:16 |
| fsufitch_ | mmhm | 23:16 |
| aelkner | i see you started it | 23:17 |
| aelkner | what port did it tell you | 23:17 |
| aelkner | btw hit enter and you see that you get the prompt back | 23:17 |
| fsufitch_ | 6522 | 23:17 |
| aelkner | cool | 23:17 |
| aelkner | verify that you and chris can see each other in gobby | 23:17 |
| fsufitch_ | okay | 23:18 |
| fsufitch_ | aelkner: an alternative to the kill is using the killall command fyi | 23:20 |
| fsufitch_ | "killall sobby" | 23:20 |
| aelkner | that one would scare me that i might kill too much | 23:20 |
| aelkner | i prefer to be very careful and ps -aef and kill one at a time | 23:21 |
| aelkner | so do you two see each other in gobby | 23:21 |
| fsufitch_ | yup | 23:22 |
| ccarey | yes | 23:22 |
| aelkner | so one of you needs to be the one that saves gobby files locally | 23:22 |
| aelkner | and svn ci | 23:22 |
| aelkner | the other can use svn up | 23:22 |
| aelkner | this way you don't get confused who di what to svn | 23:23 |
| aelkner | granted, one can always recover | 23:23 |
| fsufitch_ | yeah | 23:23 |
| aelkner | but simplifying your interaction will save you time | 23:23 |
| aelkner | you're both gong to have the same capability to save locally and test | 23:23 |
| aelkner | so may i recommend you start by opening up the files of interest, starting with the README | 23:24 |
| aelkner | and discussing | 23:24 |
| aelkner | eventually, you can get to the views and start changing things | 23:24 |
| ccarey | sounds good | 23:25 |
| fsufitch_ | that works | 23:25 |
| aelkner | cool | 23:25 |
| aelkner | btw, no conference call today | 23:25 |
| aelkner | i was mistaken | 23:25 |
| ccarey | ok i was wondering about that | 23:25 |
| fsufitch_ | ookay | 23:25 |
| aelkner | you two know what to do now | 23:25 |
| fsufitch_ | yup | 23:25 |
| aelkner | if you get done both course and section assignment before friday is done | 23:26 |
| aelkner | which i wouldn't expect, but then again it could turn out to be simpler than expected | 23:26 |
| aelkner | in that case, you could just work on banging the heck out of it looking for cracks | 23:27 |
| aelkner | and writing functional tests that try to expose cracks | 23:27 |
| aelkner | i suggest you don't even think about skilldrivers until monday | 23:27 |
| aelkner | best of luck for the rest of the week! | 23:28 |
| fsufitch_ | aelkner: ping | 23:40 |
| fsufitch_ | you still there? | 23:40 |
| aelkner | yes | 23:40 |
| fsufitch_ | it appears that the assign/remove competencies from courses isn't ftested at all | 23:41 |
| aelkner | doesn't surprise me | 23:41 |
| fsufitch_ | so do we write ftests for it completely? | 23:41 |
| aelkner | that will your first task | 23:41 |
| aelkner | yes | 23:41 |
| fsufitch_ | that works :) | 23:41 |
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