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| Lumiere | ... | 01:55 |
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| Lumiere | hi th1a | 01:57 |
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| ccarey | i'm here | 01:58 |
| Lumiere | hi | 01:58 |
| Lumiere | you and noone else <_< | 01:58 |
| ccarey | i was able to get a ride from a friend | 01:58 |
| Lumiere | not even jelkner | 01:58 |
| ccarey | :[ | 01:58 |
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| Lumiere | oh good | 01:59 |
| Lumiere | one more | 01:59 |
| jelkner | good evening | 01:59 |
| ccarey | jelkner, i got a ride from a friend | 02:00 |
| jelkner | ccarey: great, glad you could make it. | 02:00 |
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| Lumiere | hi nitromaster | 02:03 |
| Lumiere | only one to go | 02:03 |
| nitromaster | hello | 02:03 |
| Lumiere | brb | 02:03 |
| Lumiere | I am going to get a bigger knife to stab filip with | 02:03 |
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| Lumiere | hi fsufitch | 02:05 |
| Lumiere | ok now that we have everyone | 02:05 |
| fsufitch | Lumiere: hi | 02:05 |
| Lumiere | who wants to start with updates? | 02:05 |
| fsufitch | "svn update"? | 02:05 |
| fsufitch | i'll start | 02:06 |
| Lumiere | lul? thanks for volunteering fsufitch | 02:06 |
| Lumiere | *waits* | 02:06 |
| fsufitch | i haven't been doing much, due to a very nice combination of workload and other problems... | 02:06 |
| fsufitch | :-/ nothing interesting there | 02:06 |
| fsufitch | but now i dropped by sunday volunteering position | 02:06 |
| fsufitch | so w00t more time | 02:06 |
| Lumiere | ok | 02:07 |
| Lumiere | that it? | 02:07 |
| fsufitch | ye | 02:08 |
| jelkner | com'on folks, let's move this along... | 02:08 |
| ccarey | ok i can go next | 02:09 |
| Lumiere | thanks | 02:09 |
| ccarey | this week i sent a commit for the skilldrivers bug | 02:09 |
| ccarey | and it should be all set now | 02:09 |
| Lumiere | I can't touch it till later this week, jelkner knows what my last week looked like | 02:09 |
| Lumiere | ccarey: you should just grab another bug | 02:10 |
| Lumiere | and keep going | 02:10 |
| ccarey | any particular one i should go for? | 02:10 |
| Lumiere | sec | 02:10 |
| ccarey | i looked into some of the other ones, but not in detail | 02:11 |
| jelkner | while we wait, can i talk about airline tickets? | 02:11 |
| Lumiere | https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/cando/+bug/194839 | 02:12 |
| Lumiere | go | 02:12 |
| jelkner | ok, does everyone all the information they need about their flights this Thursday? | 02:12 |
| Lumiere | ccarey: that's yours (assigned), go ahead jelkner | 02:13 |
| ccarey | ok | 02:13 |
| jelkner | and... are we all on the same flight? (American Airlines Flight 1733 leaving DC National at 5:20 pm) | 02:13 |
| jelkner | wjohnsto: do you want a ride with me to the airport? | 02:14 |
| ccarey | yes flight 1733 | 02:14 |
| jelkner | ccarey: are you all set with a ride? | 02:14 |
| ccarey | yes my mom will drive me there | 02:14 |
| jelkner | great | 02:15 |
| fsufitch | i have some issues with a ride | 02:15 |
| jelkner | fsufitch: what kind of issues? | 02:15 |
| fsufitch | ccarey: could i ride w/ u? | 02:15 |
| jelkner | ahh, now we're talking ;-) | 02:15 |
| fsufitch | my mom doesn't have the time to run to the reagan airport | 02:15 |
| ccarey | i don't know, my mom works nightshift the night before, so we'll be leaving late | 02:16 |
| fsufitch | wait what? | 02:16 |
| ccarey | she'll be sleeping until its time to leave | 02:16 |
| fsufitch | ah | 02:16 |
| nitromaster | fsufitch, if you wanted, i'm leaving from tj at 3:50, you could come with me | 02:16 |
| ccarey | and i don't think she'll be up to driving to reston also | 02:16 |
| ccarey | sry | 02:16 |
| fsufitch | wat do u mean reston? | 02:16 |
| fsufitch | we ride the same tj bus... >_> | 02:17 |
| ccarey | my bad not reston | 02:17 |
| fsufitch | nitromaster: that could work | 02:17 |
| fsufitch | my mom did say the furthest she can take me is tj | 02:17 |
| fsufitch | silence? | 02:19 |
| Lumiere | is everyone up to date on logistics? | 02:19 |
| Lumiere | shall we move on? | 02:19 |
| ccarey | well | 02:19 |
| jelkner | not yet | 02:19 |
| Lumiere | then why silence? | 02:20 |
| fsufitch | nobody wants me to foul up their car <_< | 02:20 |
| Lumiere | lul? | 02:20 |
| ccarey | where are we staying? is it the same hotel as pycon? | 02:20 |
| * jelkner is on the phone with willi mom | 02:20 | |
| * th1a is not really here. | 02:21 | |
| jelkner | willi's mom | 02:21 |
| Lumiere | th1a: yea yea we know | 02:21 |
| fsufitch | also, how much of a formal environment are we heading for? | 02:21 |
| Lumiere | that's what I am trying to figure out | 02:22 |
| Lumiere | I don't know what jelkner and th1a's plans are for you | 02:22 |
| fsufitch | that sounds a little sinister | 02:22 |
| jelkner | fsufitch: i'm going to call you next | 02:22 |
| Lumiere | muhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha | 02:22 |
| Lumiere | ...hahaha | 02:22 |
| jelkner | why don't we move on, and i'll come back to it | 02:22 |
| fsufitch | ok | 02:22 |
| Lumiere | jelkner: ok, what's the plan for the sprint at pycon | 02:23 |
| jelkner | Lumiere: my role here is limited to logistics | 02:23 |
| jelkner | that's your baby ;-) | 02:23 |
| fsufitch | some rejected baby... | 02:24 |
| Lumiere | jelkner: uhhhhh | 02:24 |
| Lumiere | th1a: jelkner: who do I get, and who is working on schooltool? | 02:24 |
| jelkner | but i believe aelkner, th1a, and ignas have a well developed plan | 02:24 |
| jelkner | i thought you were in the loop on that | 02:24 |
| Lumiere | I am | 02:25 |
| jelkner | so, why are you asking me? | 02:25 |
| Lumiere | my goal for the sprint | 02:25 |
| Lumiere | is that cando take advantage of whatever UI improvements are in schooltool | 02:25 |
| Lumiere | aelkner: here? | 02:25 |
| Lumiere | he may be gone | 02:25 |
| Lumiere | I am not at pycon | 02:26 |
| th1a | I thought I got everyone. | 02:26 |
| Lumiere | th1a: hmm? | 02:26 |
| th1a | We don't know who is doing what yet. | 02:26 |
| Lumiere | th1a: ok | 02:26 |
| Lumiere | whatever th1a needs done is what people do | 02:26 |
| Lumiere | th1a: all I ask is that we try and get cando using the UI during the week | 02:26 |
| Lumiere | or moving toward it | 02:26 |
| th1a | Certainly. | 02:27 |
| Lumiere | that solves that ;) | 02:27 |
| ccarey | jelkner: i'll need to check out a laptop, is that ok? | 02:27 |
| Lumiere | ccarey: you need to work that out with dwelsh asap | 02:28 |
| jelkner | ccarey: yes | 02:28 |
| Lumiere | cc me and jelkner on the email request | 02:28 |
| Lumiere | I'll grab the mallet | 02:28 |
| Lumiere | tomorrow morning when I see him | 02:28 |
| jelkner | Lumiere: the question is how to get it to me before hand. | 02:28 |
| ccarey | alright, would jelkner be able to bring it to the airport? or will i have to stop by the ACC? | 02:29 |
| Lumiere | jelkner: uh, leave that to me | 02:29 |
| Lumiere | I have to make a ACC -> Herndon transit | 02:29 |
| Lumiere | tomorrow mid day | 02:29 |
| jelkner | fsufitch: just talked to your dad, your mom will drop you off at Yorktown High at 2:15 and you'll ride with us | 02:29 |
| Lumiere | and we're at HB | 02:29 |
| Lumiere | so it's close as heck | 02:29 |
| fsufitch | sweet | 02:29 |
| jelkner | awesome | 02:29 |
| Lumiere | jelkner: we just need to get the paperwork to you too | 02:30 |
| jelkner | Lumiere: yes, which day did you say? | 02:30 |
| jelkner | tomorrow i don't go to hb | 02:30 |
| jelkner | wednesday i do | 02:30 |
| Lumiere | tomorrow morning 10:20 | 02:30 |
| jelkner | hmm | 02:30 |
| Lumiere | yes, but we'll be in the neighborhood | 02:30 |
| jelkner | has to be ytown then | 02:30 |
| Lumiere | easy drop-by | 02:30 |
| jelkner | cool | 02:30 |
| Lumiere | I just need to get welsh to put forms together tomorrow | 02:30 |
| jelkner | thanks! | 02:31 |
| Lumiere | so... send email nao | 02:31 |
| jelkner | got that ccarey? | 02:31 |
| jelkner | btw. everyone should pack light | 02:31 |
| jelkner | it's an informal setting | 02:32 |
| ccarey | so Lumiere is picking it up and getting it to jelkner? | 02:32 |
| jelkner | most of the 1000 people there will be wearing python t-shirts and jeans | 02:32 |
| Lumiere | yes, but I can't do it | 02:32 |
| jelkner | ccarey: yes, but we need a formal request form you | 02:32 |
| Lumiere | without you requesting it formally | 02:32 |
| jelkner | an email to dwelsh cc'd to us | 02:32 |
| Lumiere | then I get a form and a laptop to jelkner | 02:33 |
| Lumiere | and you sign form | 02:33 |
| jelkner | ccarey: please send that email now | 02:33 |
| ccarey | ok | 02:33 |
| jelkner | anyone else need any equipment? | 02:33 |
| Lumiere | anything we need on the agenda for next week? | 02:33 |
| jelkner | hmm, do we want to schedule a meeting next week? | 02:34 |
| jelkner | ccarey: i just called your home, no answer | 02:35 |
| ccarey | oh, i wanted to ask, are we staying in the same hotel as PyCon is in? | 02:35 |
| Lumiere | I want meetings every other day, saturday and tuesday | 02:35 |
| jelkner | next week we will be sprinting | 02:35 |
| ccarey | oops | 02:35 |
| Lumiere | or saturday, monday, wednesday | 02:35 |
| ccarey | jelkner: my parents aren't home right now | 02:36 |
| jelkner | ahh | 02:36 |
| ccarey | but let me get the phone | 02:36 |
| Lumiere | just 30 minutes in the evening | 02:36 |
| jelkner | i left a message | 02:36 |
| Lumiere | to bring people together | 02:36 |
| jelkner | Lumiere: can i suggest that we be a bit flexible on scheduling | 02:36 |
| Lumiere | yes | 02:36 |
| Lumiere | no need to suggest | 02:36 |
| Lumiere | I know how it is | 02:36 |
| jelkner | you can drop on #schooltool at any time and you will find us | 02:36 |
| Lumiere | yea | 02:36 |
| jelkner | i agree we need to meet, but i also don't want to schedule without the rest of the crew | 02:37 |
| jelkner | i just want to add that pycon is a blast! | 02:37 |
| jelkner | i've been going for 10 years and i look forward to it each year as one of the highlights of the year | 02:37 |
| jelkner | it is interesting that this year there are about 1000 people already registered (950 i believe) | 02:38 |
| jelkner | that is way up from last year | 02:38 |
| Lumiere | yikes | 02:38 |
| jelkner | any questions on how to pack, what to bring, etc? | 02:38 |
| fsufitch | well are there any special items we should bring? | 02:39 |
| fsufitch | apart from the regular stuff | 02:39 |
| * Lumiere pulls out the knives and puts em away | 02:39 | |
| jelkner | fsufitch: pack light, bring your laptop of course | 02:39 |
| fsufitch | yup | 02:39 |
| jelkner | and any leave extra space in your luggage for the t-shirts and book you may wish to buy | 02:40 |
| jelkner | -any | 02:40 |
| fsufitch | ok | 02:40 |
| jelkner | any other questions? | 02:40 |
| ccarey | are our rooms already worked out? | 02:40 |
| jelkner | ccarey: please ask your folks to call me when they get home | 02:40 |
| ccarey | will do | 02:40 |
| jelkner | ccarey: yes | 02:40 |
| ccarey | ok good | 02:40 |
| jelkner | i got the rooms | 02:40 |
| jelkner | i have 4 rooms | 02:41 |
| jelkner | ok, i think that is it | 02:41 |
| jelkner | i'll continue calling, so nitromaster, your next... | 02:42 |
| Lumiere | I'm off | 02:42 |
| Lumiere | you've had my hour ;) | 02:42 |
| jelkner | Lumiere: thanks, see you tomorrow | 02:42 |
| Lumiere | There IS no Cabal (online) | 02:43 |
| jelkner | ccarey: any idea when your folks will be home? | 02:51 |
| ccarey | no exact time, but they should be home before 10:00 | 02:52 |
| jelkner | ok | 02:52 |
| jelkner | i would like to talk to them tonight | 02:52 |
| jelkner | their the last ones on my list | 02:52 |
| ccarey | i'll let them know | 02:52 |
| ccarey | jelkner, my parents just called, they should be here in 10-15 | 02:55 |
| jelkner | ok | 02:55 |
| jelkner | ccarey: do they have a cell i could call? | 02:57 |
| jelkner | oh | 02:57 |
| jelkner | 10 to 15 minutes | 02:57 |
| jelkner | i read 10:15 | 02:57 |
| jelkner | never mind... | 02:57 |
| ccarey | yeah 10-15 minutes | 02:58 |
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| wjohnsto_ | Lumiere: ayt? | 15:16 |
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| th1a | ...and we're back. | 16:49 |
| th1a | Just needed to *release* the DHCP before trying to connect another access point. | 16:50 |
| * th1a is going to get a haircut. | 16:50 | |
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| aelkner_ | mattva01: why can't you start school.tool? | 18:13 |
| mattva01 | hmm | 18:15 |
| aelkner_ | mattva01: first copy the file from my machine to a safe place on the server as gradebook.py | 18:22 |
| aelkner_ | it's in your directory on my machine | 18:22 |
| aelkner_ | let me know when that is done | 18:22 |
| mattva01 | k | 18:22 |
| mattva01 | done | 18:23 |
| aelkner_ | now | 18:23 |
| aelkner_ | navigate to the gradebook egg's gradebook/browser directory | 18:24 |
| mattva01 | k | 18:24 |
| aelkner_ | copy the file (make sure it is in fact called gradebook.py) to that directory | 18:24 |
| mattva01 | ok | 18:25 |
| aelkner_ | vi the file and go to the end' | 18:25 |
| aelkner_ | in the view class' update method | 18:25 |
| aelkner_ | you should see "if ev is not None and ..." | 18:26 |
| aelkner_ | do you? | 18:26 |
| mattva01 | yep | 18:26 |
| aelkner_ | ok, you're good to go | 18:26 |
| mattva01 | k cool | 18:26 |
| aelkner_ | good luck with the locale thing | 18:26 |
| aelkner_ | i'm going to lunch now... | 18:27 |
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| ignas | hi | 19:02 |
| ignas | th1a, ayt? | 19:02 |
| th1a | I am back online. | 19:02 |
| ignas | :) | 19:03 |
| ignas | it seems that it is possible to have schooltool running on windows | 19:03 |
| ignas | at least i have managed to set up and start an instance | 19:03 |
| th1a | That is good. | 19:03 |
| ignas | are we interested in such a thing? | 19:03 |
| ignas | as in - should i invest a bit more time into it | 19:04 |
| th1a | Not now. | 19:04 |
| ignas | ok | 19:04 |
| th1a | There's just a significant gulf that has to be crossed between "it runs" and "you can run this as a proper Windows service." | 19:05 |
| th1a | And "it runs" causes confusion. | 19:05 |
| ignas | :) | 19:07 |
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| ACSpike[Work] | hello | 19:39 |
| th1a | Hi ACSpike[Work]. | 19:40 |
| ACSpike[Work] | Tom, how's things with schooltool progressing? | 19:40 |
| th1a | Things ARE progressing. | 19:40 |
| ACSpike[Work] | good :-) | 19:41 |
| ACSpike[Work] | I thought I'd check things out because I'm rolling through another "I really need to learn about zope" phase | 19:41 |
| th1a | We're getting ready for a sprint. | 19:41 |
| ACSpike[Work] | at pycon? | 19:41 |
| th1a | Yes. | 19:41 |
| ACSpike[Work] | cool | 19:41 |
| ACSpike[Work] | was it this year or last year that schools were trying this out? | 19:42 |
| th1a | Well, both, more this year. | 19:42 |
| ACSpike[Work] | how many? | 19:42 |
| th1a | Hm... two directly with us, several more semi-independently in Virginia. | 19:43 |
| th1a | Essentially, we're aiming for 1.0 beta in 0ctober, 1.0 in a year. | 19:43 |
| ACSpike[Work] | Where are the schools with you? lithuania and virginia too? | 19:43 |
| th1a | We're working with a school in Philly, too. | 19:43 |
| ACSpike[Work] | oh | 19:43 |
| ACSpike[Work] | how are the schools responding to it? | 19:44 |
| th1a | Well, we're still actively working with them to flesh out the functionality. | 19:45 |
| th1a | So they like the parts that work ;-) | 19:45 |
| th1a | And they like it when we make it do things they ask for. | 19:45 |
| ACSpike[Work] | do schools make a financial commitment toward the development? | 19:45 |
| th1a | No. | 19:45 |
| th1a | Well, the schools in Virginia do. | 19:45 |
| th1a | That's CanDo. | 19:45 |
| ACSpike[Work] | right | 19:45 |
| th1a | It is difficult to bootstrap something this mission-critical. | 19:46 |
| ACSpike[Work] | what percentage of an average school's workflow would you say you cover now? | 19:46 |
| ACSpike[Work] | yes | 19:46 |
| ACSpike[Work] | I can understand that | 19:46 |
| th1a | Well, as a percentage it would probably come out depressingly low. | 19:47 |
| ACSpike[Work] | its also difficult because every school will have slightly different business rules | 19:47 |
| ACSpike[Work] | I guess you have to keep working with schools one by one till you can nail down the patterns | 19:47 |
| th1a | We've got a simple gradebook that needs a couple months of love. | 19:47 |
| th1a | We've got a Lithuanian attendance/gradebook (you can assign a score to each kid for each meeting) that is pretty complete. | 19:48 |
| ACSpike[Work] | yeah, every teacher grades differently it seems. people here are always complaining about the gradebook in moodle | 19:48 |
| th1a | The calendar/resource scheduling just needs to have bugs knocked out. | 19:48 |
| th1a | There are 1,000,000 types of reports that have to be created at some point. | 19:49 |
| th1a | At SLA we're doing some more specialized modules: narrative report cards and disciplinary tracking. | 19:49 |
| ACSpike[Work] | I'd like to understand how this all fits together | 19:49 |
| th1a | SLA = Philly. | 19:49 |
| th1a | In what sense? | 19:50 |
| ACSpike[Work] | in a number of senses :-) | 19:50 |
| ACSpike[Work] | most of my we development has been against relational databases, but I have some exposure to plone. and I'm just having a hard time imagining patterns for developing systems that aren't primarily content inside of zope(ie outside of the todoItems in a TodoContainer that so many of the tutorials implement). | 19:52 |
| ACSpike[Work] | I really just need to get my hands dirty | 19:53 |
| th1a | Well, I | 19:54 |
| th1a | 've realized I don't really understand fully the implications for extensibility that come with using an object database. | 19:54 |
| th1a | It complicates things more than I realized at first. | 19:54 |
| ACSpike[Work] | have you seen documents that detail zope patterns? or zope best practices? | 19:55 |
| th1a | Zope 3? | 19:56 |
| ACSpike[Work] | yes | 19:56 |
| th1a | Well, Phillip's book is good. | 19:57 |
| ACSpike[Work] | yeah, I don't think I ahve that one yet | 19:57 |
| th1a | Have you looked at Grok? | 19:58 |
| ACSpike[Work] | I read the website this last weekend | 19:59 |
| ACSpike[Work] | anyone run schooltool on windows? | 20:03 |
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| th1a | Ignas and I were discussing that earlier. | 20:05 |
| th1a | Apparently the current codebase still works on Windows. | 20:05 |
| th1a | But se con't really have the expertise to make it run as a proper Windows service, | 20:05 |
| ACSpike[Work] | hmm | 20:05 |
| th1a | so I'd rather just say it doesn't work until someone figures that out. | 20:05 |
| ACSpike[Work] | I wrote a little windows service the other day using the windows extensions | 20:06 |
| ACSpike[Work] | it was a little dns proxy. give it a list of dns names and it would query a dns server for the addresses and send the reply back to the client. | 20:07 |
| th1a | Yes, it isn't hard to get the basic functionality working. | 20:07 |
| ACSpike[Work] | nope | 20:07 |
| th1a | But having done that, I didn't feel confident in telling a school it would work in production. | 20:07 |
| ACSpike[Work] | it was annoying that the backtraces that happen in the stdlib get printed to stderr directly :-( | 20:08 |
| ACSpike[Work] | what needs to be done to say it would work in production? | 20:08 |
| th1a | Basically have someone take responsibility for doing it an fixing it when it breaks :-) | 20:09 |
| ACSpike[Work] | responsibility is such a dirty word | 20:09 |
| th1a | That's what makes writing a student information system less fun than writing an mp3 jukebox. | 20:10 |
| ACSpike[Work] | oh, I remember the other thing. the environment in the service is all wack when trying to make an exe with pyinstaller | 20:11 |
| ACSpike[Work] | yeah. | 20:11 |
| th1a | ah. | 20:11 |
| ACSpike[Work] | I found this very helpful for the basic functionality http://essiene.blogspot.com/2005/04/python-windows-services.html | 20:13 |
| ACSpike[Work] | so is the basic service functionality already working? | 20:13 |
| th1a | Well, I took some code from Zope 2 once and stuck it in SchoolTool somewhere, and it worked. | 20:13 |
| ACSpike[Work] | ah | 20:13 |
| th1a | But I didn't really know what I'd do if it stopped working. | 20:14 |
| ACSpike[Work] | so what we're really talking about is makeing zope3 or twisted or whatever process that runs is a service | 20:14 |
| th1a | Yes. | 20:14 |
| ACSpike[Work] | do you even have a windows box to test on? | 20:14 |
| th1a | I did retain a Windows partition on my Thinkpad. | 20:14 |
| th1a | Overall, though, this isn't a priority. | 20:15 |
| ACSpike[Work] | not with out the functionality, I wouldn't assume | 20:15 |
| th1a | Yes -- finishing the functionality is first priority ;-) | 20:15 |
| ACSpike[Work] | this is the offical branch? lp:~ignas/schooltool/schooltool.stapp2008spring/ | 20:16 |
| th1a | I guess it is official. | 20:17 |
| th1a | We're sort of mid-transition to bzr. | 20:17 |
| ACSpike[Work] | official is hard to pin down with dvcs? | 20:18 |
| th1a | Exactly. | 20:18 |
| th1a | But yes, that's what you want. | 20:18 |
| ACSpike[Work] | you guys use reportlab? | 20:19 |
| th1a | Yes. | 20:22 |
| ACSpike[Work] | oh, that's not schooltool that's just a buildout script? | 20:44 |
| th1a | Yes. | 20:44 |
| ACSpike[Work] | python-imaging is pil? | 20:46 |
| th1a | Yes. | 20:46 |
| ACSpike[Work] | https://code.launchpad.net/schooltool/ which branch do I want to get schooltool? | 21:01 |
| * ACSpike[Work] thinks it would be more time efficient to setup an ubuntu server:-) | 21:02 | |
| th1a | Well, if you just want the trunk get it from our subversion. | 21:02 |
| ACSpike[Work] | oh | 21:02 |
| th1a | source.schooltool.org | 21:02 |
| ACSpike[Work] | not using bzr for that yet? | 21:02 |
| th1a | No. | 21:02 |
| th1a | We're still in-between. | 21:02 |
| ACSpike[Work] | do you use the bzr svn plugin? | 21:02 |
| th1a | I guess not. | 21:02 |
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| ACSpike[Work] | how many people are actively working on schooltool now? | 22:21 |
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| lisppaste5 | ACSpike[Work] pasted "buildout error" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/57205 | 22:35 |
| ACSpike[Work] | there is no bin dir in that bzr checkout | 22:36 |
| ACSpike[Work] | th1a: am I missing something from your directions? | 22:37 |
| ACSpike[Work] | running "make BOOTSTRAP_PYTHON=python2.4 bootstrap" by hand worked. wonder where I went wrong | 22:42 |
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| ACSpike[Work] | well it works! | 23:13 |
| ACSpike[Work] | I do think installing on an ubuntu server was much faster than attempting to figure out what was needed and setting up on windows | 23:13 |
| ACSpike[Work] | but the schooltool install itself takes quite a long time | 23:14 |
| ACSpike[Work] | much longer than downloading the ubuntu iso and installing the server | 23:14 |
| th1a | Well, eventually "apt-get install schooltool" will do the trick. | 23:15 |
| ACSpike[Work] | that would make it easier :-) | 23:15 |
| th1a | ACSpike[Work]: Did I skip a step in my directions? | 23:16 |
| th1a | make? | 23:16 |
| ACSpike[Work] | th1a: I'm not sure. it just didn't work for me. and this was a clean install so I find that odd. | 23:16 |
| ACSpike[Work] | no I did make that is what failed | 23:16 |
| ACSpike[Work] | make runs bootstrap | 23:17 |
| ACSpike[Work] | and that generates the bin/bootstrap stuff I think. and that wasn't there somehow | 23:17 |
| ACSpike[Work] | you may want to add that the buildout cache dirs need to be created | 23:17 |
| ACSpike[Work] | perhaps something is ever so slightly different on gusty? | 23:18 |
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| ACSpike[Work] | so what should I do next? | 23:20 |
| th1a | I was using Hardy while making the instructions, I think. | 23:21 |
| th1a | What point are you at now? | 23:22 |
| ACSpike[Work] | the instructions themselves site dapper. | 23:22 |
| ACSpike[Work] | and I think what failed is kinda odd anyway. I wouldn't report it as a bug unless I could confirm it a second time | 23:22 |
| ACSpike[Work] | I have a running schooltool | 23:23 |
| th1a | OK. | 23:23 |
| th1a | Dapper? I must have forgotten to change that part. | 23:23 |
| ACSpike[Work] | As a superuser (sudo) edit /etc/apt/sources.list to include this line deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper universe multiverse | 23:23 |
| th1a | Oh, right. | 23:24 |
| ACSpike[Work] | I think we have similar looking cats | 23:27 |
| ACSpike[Work] | what's the correct url for "edit attendance preferences"? /persons/manager/@@site-preferences-codes.html | 23:30 |
| th1a | Edit attendance preferences? | 23:31 |
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| ACSpike[Work] | yes, I click on Actions while at "school>>persons>> administrator schooltool" and select "change site preferences" and at the bottom of the page there is a link labeled "edit attendance preferences" but it is dead | 23:32 |
| th1a | You're digging into the dark corners. | 23:33 |
| ACSpike[Work] | I'm just clicking :-) | 23:33 |
| th1a | That whole component is probably dead and will never return, unfortunately. | 23:33 |
| ACSpike[Work] | the @@ in the urls caught me off guard. looks like a missing replacement from a configure script | 23:33 |
| th1a | No, that's kind of a standard Zope3-ism. | 23:34 |
| ACSpike[Work] | is that something with the nasty mail I just ran across on the list? | 23:34 |
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| ACSpike[Work] | well, I'd like to help | 23:35 |
| ACSpike[Work] | I've wanted to help for at least a year now. but I got lazy and it is hard to get motivated to learn these things when I don't have a personal itch. | 23:35 |
| ACSpike[Work] | but I'd still like to try | 23:35 |
| th1a | Well, you should talk to ignas. | 23:36 |
| th1a | Who is in Lithuania, so he logs off around 2 or 3 usually. | 23:36 |
| ACSpike[Work] | have to be here earlier then | 23:36 |
| ACSpike[Work] | what are you currently working on? | 23:36 |
| th1a | I pretty much just work on keeping the different parts of the operation working together. | 23:37 |
| ACSpike[Work] | "operation" meaning non-technical problems? | 23:37 |
| th1a | Now that things are getting more settled I'm going to have to start working more on documentation & marketing. | 23:37 |
| th1a | I'm not programming at this point. | 23:37 |
| ACSpike[Work] | ok | 23:38 |
| th1a | I'm a distinctly amateur programmer. | 23:38 |
| ACSpike[Work] | last I checked the Lithuanian school stuff was drastically different than what we would need in the states | 23:38 |
| ACSpike[Work] | is ignas tending to both needs? | 23:38 |
| th1a | We're doing a better job of covering both. | 23:39 |
| th1a | I guess we mostly would need to narrow it down in terms of the kind of stuff you'd be interested in doing. | 23:40 |
| ACSpike[Work] | I'm a little fuzzy on that myself | 23:41 |
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| ACSpike[Work] | I'd be most interested in something that has a flying chance of applying to schools in our system | 23:41 |
| ACSpike[Work] | but without communicating with those schools I'm not sure what that would be. | 23:41 |
| ACSpike[Work] | and I'm not sure how much success I'd have communicating with them unless they were actually trying to use the product | 23:42 |
| ACSpike[Work] | kind of a chicken and egg thing | 23:42 |
| ACSpike[Work] | but developing a module would probalby be a big first step anyway. | 23:43 |
| ACSpike[Work] | I think I'd like a pointer to a few bugs that would be manageable in a few hours to a few days each | 23:43 |
| ACSpike[Work] | that way I could get a look around the code some | 23:43 |
| th1a | OK... well, you might want to look at what aelkner is doing in Philly then, | 23:43 |
| th1a | because he's writing some small components. | 23:44 |
| ACSpike[Work] | of course being a complete newb, I'm not sure how to identify suitable bugs. | 23:44 |
| ACSpike[Work] | ok | 23:44 |
| th1a | ignas is the person to point you to bugs. | 23:44 |
| th1a | aelkner is usually around during the day. | 23:44 |
| ACSpike[Work] | I'll try to catch up with him sometime | 23:44 |
| ACSpike[Work] | I'll also try to get a hold of a couple of my friends in our school system and pick their brains | 23:45 |
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| ACSpike[Work] | later | 23:57 |
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