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| fsufitch | whoa pcardune isnt there | 01:10 |
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| dwelsh | Lumiere: back | 01:15 |
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| Lumiere | wb | 01:23 |
| Lumiere | pcardune is probably jet-lagged | 01:23 |
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| Lumiere | this was my day: http://www.misato.us/chforum/IMG_1208.JPG | 01:34 |
| lhuynh | congrats! this is the first time I've heard of you going. I hope you had a lot of fun. :) | 01:35 |
| Lumiere | I was quiet about it | 01:35 |
| Lumiere | ;) | 01:35 |
| fsufitch | Lumiere: so ppl are thinking about putting me on internationalization | 01:36 |
| Lumiere | ok | 01:38 |
| Lumiere | It needs to be done... | 01:38 |
| * lhuynh grins | 01:38 | |
| fsufitch | what, internationalization? | 01:39 |
| fsufitch | i think it needs to be spelled too... | 01:39 |
| lhuynh | i18n | 01:39 |
| fsufitch | -.- h8 u | 01:39 |
| dwelsh | Stephen giving preso in internationalization... | 02:00 |
| dwelsh | errr... ON internationalization | 02:00 |
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| Spec | Lumiere: ping | 02:11 |
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| Spec | pcardune: what's up | 02:12 |
| Spec | so...compiled cando, did a make testall, and i get a no module named pytz | 02:17 |
| Spec | is that python-tz? | 02:17 |
| Spec | and if so, what is the Olson timezone db? | 02:17 |
| th1a | I don't imagine pcardune is awake. | 02:18 |
| th1a | Spec: There is an ubuntu package. | 02:19 |
| Spec | aww, but he just signed on :p | 02:19 |
| Spec | and he's on gmail | 02:19 |
| th1a | Yes. I guess pcardune just woke up. | 02:20 |
| th1a | We're all a bit out of whack here. | 02:20 |
| Spec | heh | 02:21 |
| Spec | so...optionstorage? | 02:24 |
| fsufitch | omg | 02:38 |
| fsufitch | the launchpad section on schooltool bugs is scary | 02:39 |
| fsufitch | only 15% with fixes committed? | 02:39 |
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| fsufitch | bnguyen, i apparently can't reply to you in PM via IRC | 02:47 |
| fsufitch | how about AIM/Yahoo/MSN/Google Talk? | 02:48 |
| bnguyen | fsufitch: gmail works | 02:49 |
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| Spec | you need to be authenticated with nickserv in order to send PMs | 02:56 |
| Lumiere | hi Spec | 03:08 |
| * Fujitsu notes this channel has been oddly active of late. | 03:13 | |
| Lumiere | Fujitsu: sprint started today | 03:15 |
| Fujitsu | Ah, that would do it | 03:15 |
| Lumiere | so CanDo is sprinting now | 03:15 |
| Lumiere | and th1a and pcardune are at EuroPython | 03:15 |
| Lumiere | and jetlagged to all hell XD | 03:15 |
| Fujitsu | Heheh. | 03:15 |
| Lumiere | and me... I just have no life | 03:15 |
| * Fujitsu also has no life, but works on Ubuntu instead. | 03:16 | |
| Lumiere | lol | 03:17 |
| Lumiere | well, I did see Phantom of the Opera today... | 03:17 |
| Lumiere | that's as close as I get to a life | 03:17 |
| Spec | have you seen transformers? | 03:17 |
| Fujitsu | Haha. | 03:17 |
| Spec | it rocks :) | 03:17 |
| * Fujitsu hasn't seen a movie for a couple of years. | 03:17 | |
| Lumiere | uh | 03:18 |
| Lumiere | not the movie | 03:18 |
| Lumiere | the musical | 03:18 |
| Lumiere | live and in person | 03:18 |
| Lumiere | they're at the Kennedy Center this month | 03:18 |
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| Incognito | Lumiere: yo...you're responsible for cando eggs? | 03:33 |
| Lumiere | we have no eggs | 03:33 |
| Incognito | well, schooltool eggs? | 03:34 |
| Lumiere | Incognito: schooltool eggs are jinty | 03:34 |
| Incognito | running 'make testall' from svn fails | 03:34 |
| Lumiere | but what's up | 03:34 |
| Incognito | because of 'optionstorage' | 03:34 |
| Lumiere | optionstorage is brand new | 03:34 |
| Incognito | changing it in the tests.py file from optionstorage to z3c.optionstorage fixes it | 03:34 |
| Incognito | but i'm sure that's the backwards way :) | 03:34 |
| Lumiere | that's what it should be | 03:34 |
| Incognito | well, then the tests.py file is wrong | 03:35 |
| Lumiere | it should be z3c.optionstorage | 03:35 |
| Incognito | someone should fix that ^.^ | 03:35 |
| Lumiere | the cando tests.py? | 03:35 |
| Incognito | yes | 03:35 |
| Incognito | also your cando.init file is crap :p | 03:37 |
| Incognito | not necessarily your* but the one in svn | 03:37 |
| Lumiere | Incognito: spec? | 03:37 |
| Incognito | yes | 03:37 |
| Incognito | i'm hiding :) | 03:37 |
| Lumiere | that one needs to be fixed by pcardune | 03:37 |
| Incognito | 'k, well, he's sleepy as far as i know :p | 03:38 |
| Lumiere | yes | 03:38 |
| eldar | svn co svn://svn.projekt01.ch/sr/Zope3Training | 03:38 |
| Lumiere | I am committing the optionstorage thing | 03:40 |
| Incognito | 'k | 03:40 |
| Lumiere | done | 03:40 |
| Incognito | it is my belief the cando.init file should be taken out of svn | 03:40 |
| Incognito | init files should be handled by the OS's distro management | 03:41 |
| Incognito | err, package manager | 03:41 |
| Incognito | you can't have one cando.init file that'll "just work" for everyone, unless everyone's cando instance is put in the same place | 03:41 |
| Incognito | since it's svn, we're gonna assume they'll be in different places...therefore cando.init shouldn't be there | 03:41 |
| Incognito | but that's not my decision :) | 03:41 |
| Lumiere | nor is it mine | 03:41 |
| Incognito | unless there's a "make install" | 03:42 |
| Incognito | which there isn't | 03:42 |
| Lumiere | I agree, but I leave it to eldar and pcardune to decide on that | 03:43 |
| Lumiere | eldar: can you make it so my posts to cando-commits show | 03:43 |
| eldar | jstraw Jason Straw <lists@misato.us> | 03:45 |
| eldar | is that your info? | 03:45 |
| Lumiere | odd | 03:45 |
| Lumiere | yes | 03:45 |
| Lumiere | that's the address that's on cando-commits | 03:45 |
| eldar | weird | 03:55 |
| Lumiere | is it jstraw<tab>Jason | 03:57 |
| Lumiere | cause I assume it's tab delim | 03:57 |
| fsufitch | eldar, could you ping stephan for me? | 04:00 |
| eldar | he is busy | 04:00 |
| fsufitch | i can't compile his Zope Tutorial thing | 04:00 |
| fsufitch | Traceback (most recent call last): | 04:00 |
| fsufitch | File "/home/fsufitch/Zope3Training/rst2s5.py", line 20, in <module> | 04:00 |
| fsufitch | import codeblock | 04:00 |
| fsufitch | File "/home/fsufitch/Zope3Training/codeblock.py", line 3, in <module> | 04:00 |
| fsufitch | import SilverCity | 04:00 |
| fsufitch | ImportError: No module named SilverCity | 04:00 |
| eldar | fsufitch, you shouldn't need to | 04:00 |
| eldar | just open index.html | 04:00 |
| eldar | Lumiere, try again | 04:01 |
| Lumiere | don't have anything to commit atm XD | 04:02 |
| Lumiere | unless you want me to delete cando.int | 04:02 |
| Lumiere | err init | 04:02 |
| eldar | i already did | 04:03 |
| eldar | you have commit access, right? | 04:03 |
| Lumiere | yes | 04:04 |
| Lumiere | I don't have anything I need to commit | 04:04 |
| Incognito | i win! | 04:08 |
| Lumiere | hehe | 04:08 |
| Incognito | start-stop-daemon needs a --chdir | 04:08 |
| Incognito | otherwise cando errs on the log file (as it's relative and not absolute) | 04:08 |
| Lumiere | Incognito: not worrying about it | 04:09 |
| Lumiere | the .init is gone | 04:09 |
| Incognito | Lumiere: i'm setting up elkner's cando instance | 04:09 |
| Incognito | that's why i was bitchin' bout the init :p | 04:09 |
| Lumiere | Incognito: it should use cando-semistable branch | 04:09 |
| Incognito | it is | 04:09 |
| Lumiere | k | 04:09 |
| Incognito | just checked it out | 04:09 |
| Lumiere | I have commit access because of that branch | 04:10 |
| Lumiere | eldar: can jelkner log in here | 04:13 |
| Lumiere | can we get like everyone here? | 04:13 |
| lhuynh | jelkner says he's gone asleep. | 04:14 |
| eldar | Lumiere, why? jeff is going to bed | 04:14 |
| lhuynh | I got here first. | 04:14 |
| eldar | oops | 04:15 |
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| Lumiere | ok | 04:15 |
| Lumiere | is dwelsh awake | 04:16 |
| Lumiere | ask him to hop on for a minut | 04:16 |
| Incognito | ok | 04:17 |
| Incognito | err | 04:17 |
| Incognito | he's busy apparantly | 04:17 |
| Lumiere | ok... | 04:17 |
| Lumiere | just let him know he should get the camera I know he has out | 04:17 |
| Lumiere | and take some pictures | 04:18 |
| Lumiere | of those docs people are mocking up | 04:18 |
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| bvuong | lhuynh: I have a question about the documentations, where should I start? | 04:19 |
| Incognito | reading it | 04:20 |
| Incognito | (sorry :p) | 04:22 |
| bvuong | no prob | 04:22 |
| dwelsh | good point | 04:23 |
| Lumiere | Incognito: I am talking to fn to make sure that there aren't any connections/IP problems ;) | 04:23 |
| Lumiere | dwelsh: pcardune wants em too | 04:23 |
| Incognito | does cando fork when it starts? | 04:24 |
| Lumiere | does zope3 fork when it starts? | 04:24 |
| Incognito | looks like it does | 04:24 |
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| Incognito | judging by the pid files...so how do i kill cando? | 04:25 |
| Incognito | what if there are multiple instances of cando running under the same user? | 04:25 |
| Incognito | i guess this is a limited init file, so i'll just make it kill | 04:25 |
| Incognito | what's the nice way to kill cando? | 04:25 |
| Incognito | su - cando -c 'kill -9 `pidof python2.4`' | 04:26 |
| Lumiere | lol | 04:27 |
| Lumiere | just a kill works | 04:27 |
| Lumiere | no need for -9 | 04:27 |
| Incognito | so no -9? >:) | 04:27 |
| Lumiere | yea... damned bofhs | 04:27 |
| Incognito | you meant to say, 'damned programs not spitting out their own .pid files, yet running as a daemon' | 04:32 |
| Lumiere | lol | 04:40 |
| Lumiere | there is usually one in the var dir | 04:40 |
| eldar | i checked | 04:44 |
| eldar | schooltool just happens not to post its pid | 04:44 |
| Lumiere | or it is a zope.conf setting | 04:44 |
| eldar | in the var/logs file | 04:45 |
| Lumiere | there is a setting in cando.conf.in for it | 04:45 |
| Incognito | oh? | 04:53 |
| Incognito | too bad, kill works :p | 04:53 |
| Incognito | hey, Lumiere, do you have a CA by any chance? | 04:55 |
| Incognito | or should i make a new one in jeff's name | 04:55 |
| Incognito | (ssl) | 04:55 |
| Lumiere | cando may have one | 04:56 |
| Lumiere | err schooltool | 04:56 |
| Lumiere | if not | 04:56 |
| Lumiere | you should work with jinty to get one globally for us | 04:56 |
| Incognito | i'm making one for *.yhspatriot.net | 04:57 |
| Incognito | i'll just make my own ca | 04:57 |
| Lumiere | well | 04:57 |
| Lumiere | I guess that works :) | 04:57 |
| bvuong_ | lhuynh: I looked around the schooltool site, should I look through the documentations? | 05:26 |
| Incognito | heeeelp me Lumiere | 05:29 |
| Incognito | Lumiere: i want to do the equivalent of zope2.x siteroots/VHMonsta | 05:29 |
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| Incognito | i'm doing proxypassing with apache | 05:29 |
| Incognito | and cando is putting out the internal IP address instead of the domain i want it to | 05:29 |
| Incognito | i know it's a ++somethingweirdandeasy++ | 05:29 |
| Incognito | or something along those lines...do you recall? eldar said you'd be able to help | 05:29 |
| Lumiere | no idea <_< | 05:30 |
| Incognito | got it | 05:46 |
| Incognito | pcardune: ping | 05:48 |
| Incognito | pcardune: got a question about: cando.versoimport-0.1.0-py2.4.egg | 05:49 |
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| Lumiere | wb th1a | 06:39 |
| Lumiere | looks like the cando team has gone to bed | 06:39 |
| Lumiere | I am hoping that someone from pov has talked to fn about using that IP | 06:40 |
| th1a | Lumiere: ? | 06:40 |
| th1a | fn? IP? | 06:40 |
| Lumiere | uh | 06:41 |
| Lumiere | fn -> freenode | 06:41 |
| Lumiere | and IP -> the place you're connecting from | 06:41 |
| Lumiere | pcardune and you have the same Internet Protocol address | 06:41 |
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| Lumiere | Aiste too XD | 06:44 |
| Aiste | ? | 06:46 |
| Lumiere | you're all on the same IP | 06:50 |
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| Aiste | oh, yeah, well, we're in the same big network, so... | 07:25 |
| Lumiere | Aiste: has anyone let freenode know that all of europython might come from one IP? | 07:27 |
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| Aiste | Lumiere: we are doing that exactly this moment | 07:31 |
| * pcardune sits in EP foyer | 07:34 | |
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| Lumiere | Aiste: I just did it for FOSSED-NH | 07:52 |
| Lumiere | cause noone up there is smart enough to think about that | 07:52 |
| Aiste | pcardune: you could come up and register if you want us to have less work when all people will start comming in | 07:53 |
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| Lumiere | Aiste: lol | 08:02 |
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| dwelsh | pcardune: you there? | 16:07 |
| dwelsh | Lumiere? | 16:08 |
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| dwelsh | th1a? | 16:08 |
| th1a | dwelsh: Hi. | 16:11 |
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| Lumiere | hi | 16:16 |
| eldar | Lumiere, did you checking the zc3.optionstorage stuff? | 16:16 |
| eldar | check in* | 16:16 |
| Lumiere | eldar: yea it was 1 place | 16:16 |
| Lumiere | in cando.curriculum.browser.tests.py | 16:17 |
| eldar | well, it borked the tests | 16:17 |
| Lumiere | actually | 16:17 |
| eldar | http://source.schooltool.org/buildbot/ | 16:17 |
| Lumiere | it looks more like buildbot isn't updating | 16:17 |
| eldar | huh? | 16:18 |
| Lumiere | my tests are running fine | 16:18 |
| Lumiere | I ran tests before committing | 16:18 |
| Lumiere | and after it errored | 16:18 |
| pcardune_ | hi eldar, Lumiere | 16:18 |
| Lumiere | python2.4 ./test.py -m cando -u | 16:18 |
| Lumiere | Running unit tests: Ran 52 tests with 0 failures and 0 errors in 0.094 seconds. | 16:18 |
| eldar | pcardune_, hey paul | 16:18 |
| eldar | import z3c.optionstorage | 16:18 |
| eldar | ImportError: No module named optionstorage | 16:18 |
| Lumiere | yes | 16:18 |
| Lumiere | that's what I fixed | 16:18 |
| Lumiere | sooooo something's not updating on the buildbot | 16:18 |
| Lumiere | I'll stop through today I guess | 16:19 |
| Lumiere | I'll be missing the schooltool/cando dev meetings | 16:20 |
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| Lumiere | pcardune_ knows why | 16:20 |
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| th1a | Lumiere: Frankly I forgot all about having a meeting today, since just about everyone is here. | 16:21 |
| Lumiere | th1a: yea | 16:21 |
| Lumiere | th1a: the meeting you need to have | 16:21 |
| Lumiere | is the navi stuff | 16:21 |
| Lumiere | eldar: I just rechecked tests | 16:22 |
| Lumiere | they pass | 16:22 |
| Lumiere | th1a: is jinty there? | 16:22 |
| th1a | Lumiere: Yes. Finally met jinty. | 16:22 |
| Lumiere | I need him to add make update to the cando buildbots | 16:23 |
| th1a | I don't know precisely where he is right now. | 16:23 |
| Lumiere | so update -> make update -> compile | 16:23 |
| Lumiere | (make update should be 'update schooltool') | 16:23 |
| Lumiere | th1a: that's ok | 16:24 |
| Lumiere | just when you see him | 16:24 |
| Lumiere | I gotta take my car to the shop | 16:24 |
| th1a | Lumiere: I shall try to remember. My brain is feeling a little leaky right now. | 16:28 |
| fsufitch | bnguyen, i'm done with the .pt files in virginia. | 16:37 |
| fsufitch | *virginia/ | 16:37 |
| bnguyen | ok | 16:39 |
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| jelkner | whose here? | 16:43 |
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| jelkner | is there anybody out there? | 16:51 |
| bnguyen | i'm out there/here | 16:53 |
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| jelkner | bnguyen: thanks, Brittney! | 17:04 |
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| pcardune_ | jelkner: ayt? | 17:19 |
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| fsufitch | eldar, do you know i18n? | 18:01 |
| eldar | fsufitch, no ... | 18:01 |
| fsufitch | i.e. could u help with some stupid input error? | 18:01 |
| fsufitch | *import | 18:01 |
| fsufitch | fine, be that way | 18:01 |
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| fsufitch | eldar, know when paul comes back | 18:11 |
| fsufitch | ? | 18:11 |
| fsufitch | i have big qtn for him | 18:11 |
| fsufitch | schooltool is broke | 18:12 |
| fsufitch | *broken | 18:12 |
| fsufitch | helloooooo | 18:13 |
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| fsufitch | fien, i'm not ask ing u anymore | 18:14 |
| fsufitch | vm | 18:14 |
| fsufitch | *nvm | 18:14 |
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| Lumiere | anyone around? | 19:02 |
| pcardune_ | yep | 19:02 |
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| Lumiere | at acc | 19:02 |
| Lumiere | gonna try and fix buildbot | 19:03 |
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| Lumiere | pcardune: looks like eldar was looking for you too | 19:05 |
| pcardune | we just got out of the keynote | 19:05 |
| pcardune | and now google is buying everyone beer :) | 19:05 |
| Lumiere | lol | 19:06 |
| Lumiere | so... work's stopped for nwo? | 19:06 |
| Lumiere | XD | 19:06 |
| Lumiere | pcardune: I hate to break it to you | 19:07 |
| Lumiere | but someone broke eggs | 19:07 |
| pcardune | They probably went to lunch | 19:07 |
| pcardune | Lumiere: jinty says "that's not surprising" | 19:07 |
| Lumiere | Searching for zope.minmax | 19:07 |
| Lumiere | Best match: zope.minmax 1.0b2 | 19:07 |
| Lumiere | Downloading http://download.zope.org/distribution/zope.minmax-1.0b2-py2.4.egg | 19:07 |
| Lumiere | error: Can't download http://download.zope.org/distribution/zope.minmax-1.0b2-py2.4.egg: 403 Forbidden | 19:07 |
| pcardune | Lumiere: send an email to zope3-dev | 19:08 |
| Lumiere | not on the list | 19:08 |
| Lumiere | should I join #zope3-dev here | 19:08 |
| Lumiere | and let them know there? | 19:08 |
| pcardune | you could do that too | 19:08 |
| jinty | Lumiere, btw, I think I did what you wanted | 19:11 |
| Lumiere | jinty: the 2 compile steps are backward | 19:18 |
| Lumiere | need to update schooltool before compiling | 19:18 |
| Lumiere | and the update step should be like update schooltool rather then compile ;) | 19:19 |
| Lumiere | pcardune: eldar thinks you and th1a should integrate the UI stuff from that branch into trunk at europython | 19:20 |
| Lumiere | rather then doing schooltool UI stuff at a cando sprint :) | 19:20 |
| Lumiere | and now that stuff seems to be working | 19:21 |
| Lumiere | I am going home | 19:21 |
| Lumiere | to finish my day off | 19:21 |
| Lumiere | on IRC from there in 30 | 19:21 |
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| kohr_ | /nick AVN` | 19:48 |
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| AVN` | yeah, that | 19:48 |
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| AVN` | hmmhmmmm, I'm getting the weirdest error | 20:07 |
| AVN` | Unauthorized: (Competencies('SchoolTool'), 'values', 'schooltool.view') | 20:08 |
| AVN` | 1. students should be allowed to do that, and 2, why is this throwing an error instead of just going to the unauthorized page? | 20:08 |
| jfroche | AVN`: schooltool trunk ? | 20:12 |
| AVN` | cando, but yes | 20:13 |
| AVN` | I have a student | 20:19 |
| AVN` | this is automated testing, btw | 20:19 |
| AVN` | anyway, logged in as a student | 20:19 |
| AVN` | and tries to click global compentices, and gets the error | 20:19 |
| AVN` | I may have found the problem | 20:23 |
| AVN` | found the problem, the people weren't being added to groups | 20:36 |
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| AVN` | well, that didn't seem to be the problem then | 20:46 |
| AVN` | anyone have any idea why i would get an unauthorized error in the autotesting, instead of it redirecting to the unauthorized page> | 20:47 |
| Lumiere | hi all | 20:48 |
| Lumiere | AVN`: cando trunk uses schooltool trunk :) | 20:49 |
| AVN` | ok | 20:49 |
| Lumiere | AVN`: also, unauthorized error is what redirects you to the unauthorized page | 20:49 |
| Lumiere | so it IS redirecting you, just giving the error instead of the page | 20:49 |
| AVN` | but i want it to give me the page | 20:51 |
| Lumiere | AVN`: why? | 20:51 |
| Lumiere | or do you want it to give you the correct page not unauth | 20:51 |
| AVN` | I want it to tell me that it can't go there | 20:51 |
| AVN` | the unauthorized page | 20:51 |
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| AVN` | well, I suppose that i have actually 2 problems | 20:52 |
| AVN` | 1 is that it is throwing the error instead of the page, and I want the page because its easier to test for, | 20:52 |
| AVN` | and 2 is that it shouldn't be giving me the error here, this person should be allowed to view this page | 20:53 |
| Lumiere | AVN`: maybe aelkner or eldar can help you with testing the error not the page | 20:54 |
| Lumiere | and 2... can't help with | 20:54 |
| AVN` | ok | 20:55 |
| AVN` | :( | 20:55 |
| aelkner | I could help, could you give me the branch you're working on? | 20:55 |
| AVN` | uh, head? | 20:56 |
| AVN` | what do you mean | 20:57 |
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| Lumiere | ... *kills buildbot* | 20:59 |
| AVN` | aelkner, what do you mean? | 20:59 |
| aelkner | AVN`: i'll need to reproduce the problem on my machine, so what's the code branch? | 21:00 |
| aelkner | the url for me to checkout, whether it's bzr or svn, etc. | 21:00 |
| aelkner | also, are you working on gobby? | 21:00 |
| AVN` | yes, gobby port 6121 maddog | 21:01 |
| AVN` | and I don't know the code branch, I don't think we have pushed it recently | 21:01 |
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| Lumiere | AVN`: where are you pushing to | 21:01 |
| Lumiere | jelkner: you guys should be ok with your connections from there | 21:02 |
| Lumiere | jelkner: I let freenode know that you had a bunch of people connecting on the wireless there | 21:02 |
| AVN` | Lumiere, I don't know where we are pushing too, I just started on thursday | 21:02 |
| Lumiere | AVN`: you had to get your code from somewhere | 21:03 |
| AVN` | aelkner, all the files are on maddog, in tdoggett's home directory | 21:03 |
| AVN` | I'm editing it on maddog | 21:03 |
| aelkner | are you using gobby? | 21:03 |
| Lumiere | aelkner: 6121 on maddog | 21:03 |
| aelkner | ok | 21:04 |
| Lumiere | bzr info == win | 21:04 |
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| jelkner | Lumiere: why is that important? (that we are connecting to the wireless) | 21:17 |
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| aelkner | you're back! | 21:23 |
| AVN` | yeah, I accidenta;;y pressed ctrl alt backspace | 21:23 |
| AVN` | i guess | 21:23 |
| AVN` | sorry | 21:24 |
| aelkner | sobby 6121 is down, so please set up a new one and open the documents | 21:24 |
| AVN` | i did | 21:24 |
| Lumiere | jelkner: all the wireless people | 21:27 |
| Lumiere | show up on the same IP | 21:27 |
| Lumiere | it isn't a problem anymore | 21:27 |
| Lumiere | but I did let fn know that there might be enough people on it | 21:27 |
| Lumiere | to trigger their connections/IP stuff | 21:27 |
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| dwelsh | lumiere: you still there? | 22:25 |
| jelkner | Lumiere: u here? | 22:29 |
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| Lumiere | yes | 22:35 |
| Lumiere | one of my major considerations has to be SchoolTool integration | 22:36 |
| lhuynh | "things you can add to a competency" >> Ce que vous pouvez ajouter a un competence | 22:37 |
| jelkner | Lumiere: both dave and i share your concerns | 22:37 |
| jelkner | *however* | 22:37 |
| jelkner | we have to serve our users now | 22:37 |
| lhuynh | fsufitch: above line directed to you | 22:37 |
| Lumiere | jelkner: that's fine | 22:38 |
| fsufitch | say what? | 22:38 |
| Lumiere | add the bits you need in the framework | 22:38 |
| Lumiere | use the dashboard! | 22:38 |
| fsufitch | lhuynh, yes, that sounds good | 22:38 |
| Lumiere | there are clicks you can get rid of by dashboard use | 22:38 |
| jelkner | you can think about what we are doing now as replacing the dashboard | 22:38 |
| jelkner | with our own skin | 22:38 |
| jelkner | we will worry about integration later | 22:38 |
| Lumiere | uh | 22:39 |
| Lumiere | worrying about integration later is a VERY bad idea | 22:39 |
| Lumiere | integration is always the hardest thing | 22:39 |
| Lumiere | if you do it as you write it | 22:39 |
| Lumiere | it isn't horrible and messy | 22:39 |
| Lumiere | waiting till both projects are release ready | 22:39 |
| Lumiere | and then integrating | 22:39 |
| Lumiere | is a 500 pound bag of whipped cream with a bomb in it | 22:40 |
| Lumiere | waiting to go off | 22:40 |
| jelkner | we hear you jason | 22:40 |
| jelkner | but we are going ahead with this | 22:40 |
| Lumiere | uh | 22:40 |
| jelkner | there is no real alternative | 22:40 |
| Lumiere | has paul oked it? | 22:40 |
| jelkner | yes | 22:40 |
| Lumiere | ok then | 22:40 |
| jelkner | and eldar | 22:40 |
| Lumiere | I put my money | 22:41 |
| Lumiere | on having to rip it apart by the end of the summer | 22:41 |
| Lumiere | to make a release happen with schooltool | 22:41 |
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| Lumiere | jelkner: you MUST have all of schooltools stuff available | 22:42 |
| Lumiere | your current skin | 22:42 |
| Lumiere | has no way to add a user | 22:42 |
| jelkner | teachers don't add users | 22:42 |
| Lumiere | jelkner: then before you finish this | 22:42 |
| Lumiere | you might want to mock up everything | 22:42 |
| Lumiere | instead of implementing half ideas | 22:42 |
| jelkner | we aren't doing the admin skin | 22:43 |
| jelkner | just using schooltool for that | 22:43 |
| jelkner | only teachers and students change | 22:43 |
| Lumiere | ah... that works | 22:43 |
| Lumiere | I actually LIKE that | 22:43 |
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| * eldar gasps | 22:43 | |
| eldar | Oh! The great Jason approves! | 22:43 |
| Lumiere | rofl | 22:44 |
| Lumiere | eldar: can I put $100 on jelkner having just clapped his hands and rubbed them together | 22:44 |
| dwelsh | Jason, I made your SAME arguments | 22:44 |
| dwelsh | And I initially wrote a comprehensive mock-up | 22:45 |
| eldar | Lumiere, yes you can | 22:45 |
| dwelsh | including cleaning-up SchoolTool | 22:45 |
| Lumiere | dwelsh: I am happy to hear there is a voice of sanity | 22:45 |
| Lumiere | sitting somewhere near jeff 'insane laughter' elkner | 22:45 |
| dwelsh | But Stephan argued back that we can't reasonalbe expect SchoolTool to get to a redesign | 22:45 |
| * Lumiere notes the sarcasm machine is starting up | 22:45 | |
| dwelsh | with all the stuff they have to do to release | 22:45 |
| Lumiere | well | 22:45 |
| Lumiere | Stephan shouldn't be arguing that | 22:45 |
| dwelsh | So he convinced us to JUST focus on the teacher and student views of CanDo | 22:46 |
| Lumiere | he helped write 90% of a Schooltool UI redesign | 22:46 |
| Lumiere | that's sitting in a svn branch | 22:46 |
| Lumiere | waiting for some TLC | 22:46 |
| dwelsh | yes, I would like to take a look at that, by the way | 22:46 |
| dwelsh | It might be well on the way to the ideas here | 22:46 |
| Lumiere | dwelsh: ask Spec or eldar to check it out | 22:46 |
| dwelsh | yes. certainly will. | 22:46 |
| Lumiere | I am at home with no access to ACC | 22:46 |
| * Lumiere wants his DMZ | 22:46 | |
| Lumiere | I want that vpn device we have | 22:47 |
| Lumiere | sitting somewhere so i have remote access to my serves | 22:47 |
| eldar | well, I can check it out, and then what do I do? just build it? | 22:47 |
| Lumiere | yea | 22:47 |
| Lumiere | I think so | 22:47 |
| eldar | will we see it? or will we have to do something to see it? | 22:47 |
| Lumiere | it should be set by default | 22:48 |
| Lumiere | but srichter would know more | 22:48 |
| Lumiere | dwelsh/jelkner... please ring phone if you need me | 22:51 |
| Lumiere | I am around but I am not working today per say | 22:51 |
| AVN` | here's a security flaw in cando | 22:52 |
| AVN` | students can edit global compentcies | 22:53 |
| Lumiere | ... call **home** | 22:53 |
| AVN` | whats up with timeclock? | 23:01 |
| eldar | it is down atm' | 23:05 |
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| eldar | it'll be brought back up later and you'll be able to edit your entries | 23:05 |
| Lumiere | hi pcardune | 23:06 |
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