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| filip101 | little question here | 02:40 |
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| filip101 | the sprint *is* from 9 to 6 tomorrow right? | 02:40 |
| filip101 | the ACC sprint | 02:40 |
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| Lumiere | morning all | 15:37 |
| *** Lumiere changes topic to "SchoolTool development | IRC logs at http://source.schooltool.org/irclogs/ | Dev meetings Mon, 14:30 UTC (16:30 EET) | Use http://paste.lisp.org/new/schooltool for pasting | pcardune's Zope class, Saturdays at noon US/Eastern (GMT-5) (no class today)" | 15:37 | |
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| bnguyen | jelkner: are you there? | 15:58 |
| Lumiere | he'll brb | 16:03 |
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| filip101 | pcardune: are you there? | 16:12 |
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| filip101 | AVN` has a question for you | 16:13 |
| filip101 | and so do i | 16:13 |
| filip101 | what does editcontanct.pt actually do? | 16:13 |
| filip101 | because the edit contact form never looks like editcontact.pt | 16:13 |
| filip101 | nvm | 16:18 |
| filip101 | eldar answered our questions :) | 16:19 |
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| pcardune_ | hi Lumiere | 16:34 |
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| Lumiere | hi | 16:37 |
| filip101 | could somebody type out in #schooltool the stuff that's going on on skype? | 16:47 |
| filip101 | for us n00bs who aren't running it | 16:47 |
| AVN` | ditto | 16:47 |
| filip101 | i mean, we can hear what mr elkner is saying | 16:48 |
| filip101 | but not the 2nd side of the convo | 16:48 |
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| eldar | pcardune: hey | 16:51 |
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| pcardune | hi eldar | 16:52 |
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| eldar | error: Installed distribution zc.catalog 1.2dev-r72632 conflicts with requirement zc.catalog==0.1.1 | 16:52 |
| eldar | make[1]: *** [build] Error 1 | 16:52 |
| eldar | do you know what's going with that? | 16:52 |
| eldar | when you try to build cando | 16:52 |
| eldar | maybe something changed and I didn't hear about it? | 16:53 |
| pcardune | no, i think something is just broken with eggs | 16:53 |
| pcardune | but it still runs | 16:53 |
| eldar | ignas was right, eggs suck | 16:54 |
| pcardune | they don't suck, they are just like debs... sometimes they are broken | 16:54 |
| tehminkeh | suck is the funny | 16:56 |
| tehminkeh | (that wasnt me) | 16:56 |
| smalekgh | uhh | 16:56 |
| smalekgh | who was it? | 16:56 |
| pcardune | ok, so for those who are working on scheduling | 16:57 |
| * Makorihi is Jama | 16:57 | |
| * smalekgh is Masood | 16:57 | |
| pcardune | the first thing to do is to set up cando | 16:58 |
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| pcardune | I can get you instructions for doing that | 16:58 |
| pcardune | are you guys working on maddog or locally on your laptops? | 16:58 |
| Makorihi | i'm building schooltool on my server | 16:58 |
| smalekgh | I'm on maddog I think | 16:58 |
| smalekgh | might be using jama's server tho | 16:58 |
| pcardune | http://www.schooltool.org/products/cando/documentation/how-to/checking-out-from-the-cando-repository | 16:59 |
| pcardune | check out that site | 16:59 |
| pcardune | if you are on maddog, you should be able to skip to step 4 | 17:00 |
| pcardune | let me know if you have any problems with that | 17:00 |
| smalekgh | uh, we are doing all of this on maddog, if we're working on maddog, no? | 17:02 |
| smalekgh | as in, the commands and stuff? | 17:02 |
| pcardune | yes | 17:03 |
| pcardune | smalekgh: everything working so far? | 17:08 |
| smalekgh | uh | 17:09 |
| smalekgh | taking a heck of a long time to 'make' | 17:09 |
| tehminkeh | make breaks complaining about "pkg_resources" | 17:09 |
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| smalekgh | yay | 17:09 |
| filip101 | oops | 17:10 |
| filip101 | dual logon <_< | 17:10 |
| smalekgh | it's done 'make'ing. Er, making. Uh, makeing. w/e <_< | 17:10 |
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| filip101 | there we go | 17:10 |
| pcardune | tehminkeh: are you building on maddog? | 17:12 |
| tehminkeh | im building on my machine | 17:13 |
| tehminkeh | and i fixed that part | 17:13 |
| tehminkeh | but now | 17:13 |
| tehminkeh | apparently | 17:13 |
| tehminkeh | _zope_ucol.c | 17:13 |
| tehminkeh | is filled to the brim with erros | 17:13 |
| smalekgh | what's an import error? I thought everything necessary was already included in the installation? | 17:13 |
| tehminkeh | *errors | 17:13 |
| tehminkeh | gcc hates that file | 17:13 |
| tehminkeh | oh | 17:14 |
| tehminkeh | actually it appears to be because | 17:14 |
| tehminkeh | src/zope/ucol/_zope_ucol.c:8:28: unicode/utypes.h: No such file or directory | 17:14 |
| tehminkeh | src/zope/ucol/_zope_ucol.c:9:25: unicode/utf.h: No such file or directory | 17:14 |
| tehminkeh | src/zope/ucol/_zope_ucol.c:10:29: unicode/ustring.h: No such file or directory | 17:14 |
| tehminkeh | src/zope/ucol/_zope_ucol.c:11:26: unicode/ucol.h: No such file or directory | 17:14 |
| tehminkeh | OH | 17:15 |
| smalekgh | hydroxide? | 17:15 |
| tehminkeh | my python install doesnt have the unicode flag enabled | 17:15 |
| Makorihi | i have my schooltool running | 17:16 |
| smalekgh | I haven't been able to run it because it says 'PIL' is missing <_< | 17:16 |
| smalekgh | ImportError: No module named PIL | 17:17 |
| smalekgh | Ah, what the heck, I'll use Jama's server | 17:18 |
| Lumiere | I'll install pil | 17:19 |
| pcardune | thanks Lumiere | 17:22 |
| pcardune | (that part is in step 1) | 17:22 |
| pcardune | tehminkeh: why don't you have the unicode flag enabled on your python install? | 17:22 |
| tehminkeh | cuz im silly | 17:23 |
| tehminkeh | now its enabled | 17:23 |
| tehminkeh | hmm | 17:24 |
| tehminkeh | i think it might actually be another package | 17:24 |
| tehminkeh | not part of python | 17:24 |
| tehminkeh | because its during the c compilation of zope | 17:24 |
| tehminkeh | im missing all the unicode header files | 17:24 |
| Lumiere | if anyone has problems on maddog | 17:25 |
| Lumiere | lemme know and I'll fix them | 17:25 |
| smalekgh | speaking of problems with maddog... if you have the schooltool server running, shouldn't one be able to access the schooltool server on the web using the port that it specified it was running off of? As in, wouldn't the page load? Or does schooltool not do that initially <_< ? | 17:26 |
| pcardune | schooltool does that initially | 17:27 |
| smalekgh | hmm | 17:27 |
| pcardune | unless that port is blocked (which may be the case) | 17:27 |
| smalekgh | aye, port is 7080 | 17:28 |
| pcardune | to make sure you can see it, change the port that it uses to the one that you use for the zope class | 17:28 |
| smalekgh | oh | 17:28 |
| smalekgh | right | 17:28 |
| pcardune | cp schooltool.conf.in schooltool.conf | 17:28 |
| pcardune | then search for 7080 in that file | 17:28 |
| pcardune | and change to whatever port you are on | 17:28 |
| pcardune | Lumiere: ok, that bug has bit the dust | 17:29 |
| pcardune | what is next? | 17:29 |
| Lumiere | ok | 17:30 |
| Lumiere | lets see | 17:30 |
| pcardune | smalekgh: is it working? | 17:31 |
| Lumiere | he's working on it | 17:31 |
| Lumiere | I think working through the ftest might be a good thing next | 17:31 |
| eldar | pcardune: where do I change the bug status on the new launchpad website | 17:31 |
| Lumiere | gonna take a bit anyways | 17:31 |
| pcardune | eldar: just click on the bug | 17:32 |
| pcardune | then you see the yellow bar? | 17:32 |
| pcardune | click on schooltool (updstream) | 17:32 |
| eldar | pcardune: i can't seem to find the "fixed committed" option, or even an option to edit it the status | 17:32 |
| pcardune | or whatever else is there | 17:32 |
| pcardune | you might not be part of the schooltool developers group? | 17:32 |
| pcardune | which bug is it? | 17:33 |
| eldar | cando bug | 17:33 |
| smalekgh | hm | 17:33 |
| pcardune | what is the number? | 17:33 |
| eldar | ok so i clicked on upstream | 17:33 |
| Lumiere | eldar: hasn't really changed, click the affects name 'cando' | 17:34 |
| eldar | 73578 | 17:34 |
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| pcardune | eldar: so did you find where to change it? | 17:35 |
| Lumiere | pcardune: updating our server | 17:35 |
| pcardune | or I can change it for you | 17:35 |
| pcardune | Lumiere: we can use gobby | 17:35 |
| eldar | oh | 17:35 |
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| eldar | am i supposed to target a release or something? | 17:35 |
| Lumiere | I am targeting releases | 17:36 |
| pcardune | no... | 17:36 |
| Lumiere | to mark the bug as tested | 17:36 |
| Lumiere | in fact I should change the release driver to me | 17:36 |
| eldar | oooh i see | 17:38 |
| pcardune | Lumiere: are you ready to take a look at the functional tests? | 17:43 |
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| Lumiere | sec | 17:46 |
| Lumiere | gotta help jeff connect | 17:46 |
| Lumiere | ok | 17:46 |
| Lumiere | yes | 17:46 |
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| pcardune | Lumiere: I'm starting up sobby on maddog | 17:47 |
| pcardune | oh it would seem it is already runnning | 17:47 |
| Lumiere | ok | 17:47 |
| smalekgh | it has turned out that we're going to all be working on Jama's server | 17:47 |
| Lumiere | I wasn't around for the sobby/gobby stuff | 17:48 |
| Lumiere | so I need a quick walkthrough | 17:48 |
| pcardune | just launch gobby | 17:48 |
| pcardune | if it is not installed, sudo apt-get install gobby | 17:48 |
| pcardune | run gobby, click "join session" | 17:48 |
| pcardune | then enter in maddog.yhspatriot.net | 17:48 |
| pcardune | if it barks about HOWL initialization, just ignore it | 17:49 |
| Lumiere | pcardune: go ahead and finish up with jeff | 17:49 |
| Lumiere | while I install this | 17:49 |
| pcardune | ok | 17:49 |
| jelkner | pcardune: can you answer me in the private chat? | 17:49 |
| pcardune | jelkner: i'm trying | 17:49 |
| pcardune | maybe im not logged in? | 17:49 |
| pcardune | oh ok, now i'm registered | 17:50 |
| pcardune | (I originally logged in with pcardune_) | 17:50 |
| filip101 | i'm here | 17:51 |
| * filip101 is Filip S. | 17:51 | |
| AVN` | uh | 17:51 |
| * AVN` is Chris Beacham | 17:51 | |
| filip101 | so...? | 17:52 |
| * AVN` smacks smalekgh | 17:52 | |
| tehminkeh | port? | 17:52 |
| AVN` | do we get a project or what? | 17:52 |
| pcardune | ok | 17:52 |
| pcardune | yes | 17:52 |
| tehminkeh | pcardune: which port? | 17:52 |
| pcardune | firstly, is there any project you *want* to do | 17:52 |
| pcardune | (those are always better than projects that get assigned) | 17:52 |
| pcardune | tehminkeh: which port? | 17:52 |
| tehminkeh | for gobby | 17:53 |
| jelkner | pcardune: give them some choices | 17:53 |
| filip101 | well, what kinds of projects can we do? | 17:53 |
| AVN` | what projects can we do? | 17:53 |
| filip101 | omg wow | 17:53 |
| AVN` | omg wow | 17:53 |
| jelkner | I don't think they know what the options are | 17:53 |
| AVN` | ditto | 17:53 |
| pcardune | you can either do any kind of zope application | 17:53 |
| pcardune | basically like what we are doing in class | 17:53 |
| filip101 | i see | 17:53 |
| pcardune | except something different that you can choose | 17:53 |
| pcardune | some other folks were working on an application for doing online polls for example | 17:54 |
| filip101 | we could make a forum... | 17:54 |
| AVN` | we could do a forum | 17:54 |
| filip101 | argh stop | 17:54 |
| AVN` | so that they could help eachother | 17:54 |
| pcardune | or you could checkout schooltool/cando | 17:54 |
| AVN` | by they i mean students | 17:54 |
| pcardune | and try doing something with that | 17:54 |
| pcardune | a forum is a good idea | 17:54 |
| filip101 | cool, we didn't get turned down brutally! | 17:55 |
| filip101 | ^_^ | 17:55 |
| pcardune | so If that is what you want to do, get started | 17:55 |
| filip101 | ok... | 17:55 |
| pcardune | you can follow what we did in the class | 17:56 |
| AVN` | so would this be a schooltool forum thing | 17:56 |
| AVN` | or independant? | 17:56 |
| pcardune | well, you should make it independent | 17:56 |
| AVN` | k | 17:56 |
| pcardune | you can add customization type stuff later to make it "for schooltool" | 17:56 |
| pcardune | and since it is zope, you should be able to plug it into schooltool | 17:56 |
| pcardune | by just rewriting configuration files | 17:57 |
| filip101 | ok | 17:57 |
| pcardune | but follow the pattern of how we did things in that class | 17:57 |
| pcardune | but start it off with creating a bzr branch | 17:57 |
| filip101 | so basically start with interfaces and stuff | 17:57 |
| pcardune | yeah | 17:57 |
| pcardune | and if you want any advice on what interfaces to make or what should go in them, just ask! | 17:57 |
| filip101 | well, we should have a forum interface | 17:58 |
| filip101 | a topic interface | 17:58 |
| filip101 | and an entry interface | 17:58 |
| filip101 | at the least | 17:58 |
| pcardune | also don't forget to think about responses to entries | 17:58 |
| pcardune | I would also start from the bottom up like we did in class | 17:58 |
| pcardune | start with the simplest thing first | 17:59 |
| pcardune | think of it this way, a forum contains topics, a topic contains entries, and entries contain messages (inputted by the user) | 17:59 |
| pcardune | I like to start with the inner most thing | 17:59 |
| filip101 | wow | 17:59 |
| pcardune | because then I don't have to worry about containers | 17:59 |
| filip101 | mr elkner just threw an idea at us | 17:59 |
| pcardune | oh? | 17:59 |
| filip101 | related to the pizza at lunch | 17:59 |
| filip101 | zope pizza building application | 18:00 |
| Lumiere | elkner's in a half sick stupor... | 18:00 |
| Lumiere | :) | 18:00 |
| pcardune | lol | 18:00 |
| pcardune | you could do that too if you wanted | 18:00 |
| filip101 | so i think i'll stick to the firum ;) | 18:00 |
| Lumiere | brb | 18:00 |
| filip101 | *forum | 18:00 |
| pcardune | come up with a bit of architectural ideas | 18:01 |
| eldar | pcardune: hey is there a way i can assign permission to only specific attributes of an interface | 18:01 |
| eldar | when i edit the crow permissions | 18:01 |
| pcardune | you might want to right them down and then send them to me for advice | 18:01 |
| eldar | there is an issue, with members being the same thing as managers | 18:01 |
| pcardune | eldar: yes | 18:01 |
| eldar | because if they don't have the edit permission on IJournal they can't make journal entries inside that journal | 18:01 |
| pcardune | you can make crowds for specific attributes I believe | 18:02 |
| filip101 | how can Chris and me both access the same zope server? | 18:02 |
| pcardune | filip101: and start with writing doc unit tests | 18:02 |
| filip101 | or the same instance of the zope app | 18:02 |
| filip101 | with logging on | 18:02 |
| pcardune | you mean just through the web? | 18:02 |
| filip101 | yeah | 18:03 |
| pcardune | go to the same url | 18:03 |
| filip101 | ... but what about the login? | 18:03 |
| pcardune | use the same login | 18:03 |
| filip101 | right | 18:03 |
| filip101 | >_> | 18:03 |
| filip101 | i'm in a similar state of mind to mr elkner | 18:03 |
| eldar | hmmm ... is ther an example I can look at | 18:03 |
| eldar | there* | 18:03 |
| pcardune | eldar: i'm trying to think of one | 18:04 |
| pcardune | maybe in person/demographics? | 18:04 |
| pcardune | or just look at the readme for crowds | 18:05 |
| pcardune | in schooltool src | 18:05 |
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| eldar_ | sorry, someone screwed up our wireless | 18:16 |
| Lumiere | yea | 18:17 |
| pcardune | oh | 18:17 |
| Lumiere | somehow the power plug got 'removed' | 18:17 |
| Lumiere | which is why the skype was failing | 18:17 |
| Lumiere | so... try gobby again? | 18:17 |
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| pcardune | yes | 18:18 |
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| eldar_ | hmmm can't seem to find it in demographics | 18:25 |
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| pcardune | did maddog just go down :/ | 18:49 |
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| Lumiere | hi all | 20:51 |
| Lumiere | hi pcardune | 20:51 |
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| pcardune | hi Lumiere | 21:26 |
| Lumiere | hi | 21:27 |
| Lumiere | so... do we have another place to setup sobby/gobby? | 21:27 |
| pcardune | yes | 21:29 |
| pcardune | i'll set up sobby on my server | 21:29 |
| Lumiere | ok | 21:29 |
| Lumiere | brb | 21:33 |
| pcardune | boo i have to build it | 21:33 |
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| Lumiere | ok | 21:40 |
| pcardune | there is no deb for it and I have to install dependencies | 21:43 |
| Lumiere | there was one for gobby in debian unstable | 21:44 |
| Lumiere | and there's a sobby one too | 21:44 |
| Lumiere | oh | 21:44 |
| Lumiere | I got an idea | 21:44 |
| pcardune | what is your idea? | 21:45 |
| Lumiere | install it on acc.candoskills.org | 21:45 |
| Lumiere | the package is there | 21:45 |
| pcardune | oh really? | 21:45 |
| Lumiere | yea | 21:45 |
| Lumiere | it's ubuntu too | 21:45 |
| pcardune | what is acc.candoskills.org running? | 21:45 |
| pcardune | and where is the server located? | 21:45 |
| Lumiere | dapper | 21:46 |
| Lumiere | and tx I think | 21:46 |
| Lumiere | it's our outsourced host | 21:46 |
| pcardune | because I'm running dapper on my server and I don't have a deb for it | 21:47 |
| pcardune | furthermore there aren't debs for recent enough versions of the dependencies | 21:47 |
| Lumiere | well | 21:47 |
| Lumiere | sobby's in universe | 21:47 |
| pcardune | it's not showing up for me | 21:48 |
| Lumiere | archive.ubuntulinux.org dapper universe looks like | 21:49 |
| Lumiere | sw_discovery_init() failed | 21:49 |
| pcardune | oh wait... i'm running breezy for some reason... | 21:49 |
| Lumiere | eww | 21:50 |
| Lumiere | uh | 21:50 |
| Lumiere | maddog is back up | 21:50 |
| pcardune | really?! | 21:51 |
| pcardune | sweet | 21:52 |
| pcardune | ok, then we will just use maddog | 21:52 |
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| WouterVH | hello | 22:50 |
| Lumiere | hi | 22:51 |
| WouterVH | Schoolbell and Schooltool Calendar are both calendar-applications | 22:51 |
| WouterVH | what is the difference? | 22:51 |
| Lumiere | Schoolbell is just the calendar, schooltool adds stuff to it (timetables and School Information System stuff) | 22:52 |
| WouterVH | but School Information System is nog yet functional right now? | 22:53 |
| Lumiere | pieces are | 22:53 |
| WouterVH | I have zope 3 already installed on my linux | 22:53 |
| WouterVH | it is possible to intall schooltool as a zope3-package? | 22:54 |
| Lumiere | right now you have to install schooltool, which sets up zope3 | 22:54 |
| pcardune | schooltool runs as a totally separate application from any zope servers you already have on your machine | 22:55 |
| pcardune | school information system capabilities are functional but very much in beta | 22:55 |
| pcardune | what capabilities are you interested in using WouterVH? | 22:56 |
| WouterVH | i noticed, it 's not possible to run schooltool in an existing instance | 22:56 |
| WouterVH | i'm evaluating plone for a project | 22:56 |
| WouterVH | but some parts are rather LMS | 22:56 |
| WouterVH | learning management, calendar for courses,... | 22:56 |
| WouterVH | so i'm looking at schooltool right now | 22:57 |
| WouterVH | plone's calendering has some problem woth recurring events for example | 22:57 |
| WouterVH | School Information System is a good fit for this project | 22:57 |
| WouterVH | but currently i haven't any ideas about deadlines | 22:58 |
| pcardune | in terms of learning management there is also the cando project | 22:58 |
| pcardune | which is a bit farther along in terms of actual usage (quite a number of schools are using it successfully now) | 22:58 |
| pcardune | it is a plugin for schooltool that provides competency tracking and a number of other small components (like student journals and class forums) | 22:59 |
| WouterVH | there is no demo running somewhere? | 22:59 |
| WouterVH | of cando | 22:59 |
| Lumiere | WouterVH: please email rdavidw@gmail.com and ask him for a demo | 23:00 |
| WouterVH | ok | 23:00 |
| Lumiere | he's one of cando's project managers... he has one | 23:00 |
| Lumiere | I just don't know where | 23:00 |
| WouterVH | School Information System, is there a list of svn-modules to checkout? | 23:01 |
| Lumiere | schooltool is an SIS | 23:02 |
| Lumiere | School Information System is just a term for a program that keeps track of data for a school | 23:02 |
| WouterVH | and schooltool calendar is just a part of it | 23:03 |
| WouterVH | if i checkout http://source.schooltool.org/trac/browser/trunk/schooltool | 23:03 |
| Lumiere | the calendar is just a part of the schooltool SIS | 23:03 |
| pcardune | look at http://www.schooltool.org/products/cando/documentation/how-to/checking-out-from-the-cando-repository | 23:03 |
| pcardune | that will get you the cando trunk | 23:03 |
| pcardune | there is also a deb package for cando 2006 | 23:03 |
| WouterVH | then i have the whole application in the current state | 23:03 |
| pcardune | right | 23:03 |
| pcardune | you will get calendaring functionality | 23:03 |
| WouterVH | and enrollment for example? | 23:04 |
| Lumiere | you'll get timetables, courses, sections | 23:05 |
| Lumiere | and some other general features | 23:05 |
| pcardune | there is some enrollment functionality, I have never used it though so I don't know how mature it is | 23:07 |
| pcardune | schooltool is interested in interested parties though :) | 23:07 |
| WouterVH | http://demo.schooltool.org, no public login? | 23:08 |
| WouterVH | it will hugely depend in our deadline | 23:08 |
| pcardune | try username: manager passwd: schooltool | 23:08 |
| WouterVH | i've been following from far schooltool since 2003 | 23:09 |
| WouterVH | development is rather slow, no? | 23:09 |
| WouterVH | Username or password is incorrect | 23:09 |
| Lumiere | it stalled for a period and is speeding up quickly | 23:09 |
| WouterVH | was'nt it fully financed by Mark Shuttleworth? | 23:10 |
| WouterVH | i thought 7 developers were working on it fulltime | 23:10 |
| WouterVH | probably i misunderstood | 23:10 |
| Lumiere | too bad the main devs aren't on nor is th1a | 23:11 |
| Lumiere | I think paul's lost net | 23:11 |
| Lumiere | ( pcardune ) | 23:11 |
| WouterVH | when are the mains devs usually here? | 23:13 |
| WouterVH | JfRoche is among them? | 23:13 |
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| Lumiere | jfroche is one | 23:15 |
| Lumiere | hi jelkner | 23:15 |
| jelkner | hi | 23:15 |
| Lumiere | most of them are from europe | 23:15 |
| pcardune | where are you located WouterVH if you don't mind me asking? | 23:16 |
| Lumiere | belgium | 23:16 |
| Lumiere | (.be) | 23:17 |
| Lumiere | and welcome back | 23:17 |
| pcardune | most of them are from lithuania | 23:17 |
| pcardune | they are on when it is not a weekend | 23:17 |
| pcardune | :) | 23:17 |
| pcardune | it was fully financed by mark shuttleworth, the 7 developers part was back in the days of calendaring | 23:17 |
| pcardune | but now there is more funding coming in through the state of virginia for the cando plugin | 23:18 |
| pcardune | hi jelkner | 23:24 |
| jelkner | hi pcardune! | 23:24 |
| jelkner | i writing an email to glyph | 23:24 |
| jelkner | s/i/i'm | 23:25 |
| pcardune | oh | 23:25 |
| jelkner | mounika and mary will be working with him as mentor this summer | 23:25 |
| jelkner | on lore and crunchy | 23:25 |
| pcardune | right | 23:26 |
| jelkner | let me finish that, and then let's discuss the next steps for the rest of the interns | 23:26 |
| pcardune | sure | 23:26 |
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