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| pcardune | jfroche: is anyone still awake over there? | 07:51 |
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| jfroche | hello, Ignas is there and Tom is in front of me | 07:52 |
| pcardune | I'm back in action with ubuntu on my IMac G5... i'm downloading schooltool branch now. | 07:53 |
| jfroche | great | 07:57 |
| Lumiere | hi pcardune, jfroche | 07:58 |
| jfroche | hello | 07:58 |
| Lumiere | ignas has a test server at http://65.254.53.148:7080/ | 07:59 |
| Lumiere | (it's cando demo) | 07:59 |
| * Lumiere goes to bed | 07:59 | |
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| mgedmin | yay, I got 127 emails from tom hoffman about schooltool issues in launchpad | 15:40 |
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| th1a | https://svn.schooltool.org/trac/cando-auth/wiki/UnfinishedTasks | 19:18 |
| Lumiere | that list doesn't look too bad | 19:23 |
| jneves | are there are several branches for schooltool? | 19:48 |
| ignas | yes | 19:49 |
| jneves | ok - could you point me to a description? head doesn't seem to be working like I need it and I'd love to make sure it's where I should fix it... | 19:53 |
| ignas | jneves: could you tell more aobut it ? | 19:58 |
| ignas | how is it not working how you need | 19:58 |
| jneves | ignas: crashes on gradebook and there are some encoding related problems | 19:58 |
| ignas | other branches don't fix that | 19:59 |
| ignas | gradebook is not designed to have groups as members | 19:59 |
| jneves | ignas: any access to gradebook, not just groups | 19:59 |
| th1a | Gradebook just doesn't really work at all. | 19:59 |
| th1a | The person who was working on it left the project, and we haven't gotten back to it. | 20:00 |
| jneves | ignas: I need other changes, but I still need a school's ok to go ahead with that (it's for the support of professional curricula) | 20:00 |
| jneves | th1a: ok, understood it - is there any docs explaining what should it do? I'd like to at least poke the code... | 20:01 |
| ignas | jneves: http://source.schooltool.org/trac/browser/branches | 20:02 |
| th1a | Well... let me see... | 20:02 |
| jneves | ignas: some differences in structure: component > courses > sections - with alarms every 10% of non-presences for a student - and some reports - also some definitions of grades that are weird by legislation and half-a-dozen reports | 20:03 |
| ignas | schooltool-lyceum, schooltool-new-navigation, schooltool-resource-booking being ones that are something different from trunk | 20:03 |
| ignas | jneves: have you got any experience with Zope3 ? | 20:03 |
| jneves | ignas: not for a year now, but I worked with it for several years (not always version 3, obviously) | 20:04 |
| ignas | cool | 20:05 |
| ignas | though if you will want a gradebook you will have to do quite a lot of work | 20:05 |
| jneves | ignas: schooltool-{lyceum,jacqmain,ldap,resource-booking} and trunk seem to be the ones where some devel work is happening | 20:06 |
| jneves | ignas: any particular reason? | 20:06 |
| jneves | ignas: and yes, a working gradebook is a requirement | 20:06 |
| ignas | for what ? for work on these branches or for gradebook being unusable? | 20:07 |
| th1a | http://source.schooltool.org/trac/browser/trunk/schooltool/src/schooltool/gradebook/README.txt | 20:07 |
| th1a | The basic model for the gradebook is well designed. | 20:07 |
| th1a | And there is a working gradebook for comptenencies in CanDo that is based on the same underlying model. | 20:08 |
| jneves | ignas: for the school I'm talking with | 20:08 |
| th1a | Also: http://source.schooltool.org/trac/browser/trunk/schooltool/src/schooltool/gradebook/browser/README.txt | 20:08 |
| jneves | ignas: for most of the features they need, we'd have to reduce or hide schooltool functionality | 20:09 |
| jneves | ignas: the exceptions are some reports and gradebooks | 20:09 |
| ignas | jneves: you can find examples of hiding in schooltool-lyceum branch | 20:10 |
| ignas | though it might be easier to just modify the trunk | 20:11 |
| jneves | ignas: great :) | 20:11 |
| th1a | jneves: See also http://www.schooltool.org/st-products/cando/cando-student-competency-tracker | 20:11 |
| ignas | how much time are you going to be spending on schooltool? maybe getting you commit rights would make sense ... | 20:11 |
| ignas | jneves: what country gradebook are you implementing and maybe you have some examples of how it should look like? | 20:16 |
| jneves | portugal | 20:23 |
| jneves | ignas: they're going to send me the current gradebooks by email - I'll have no problem with sharing them | 20:25 |
| ignas | cool :) | 20:25 |
| ignas | you see if the requirements will match lithuanian ones closely enough, i will have a lot more time to help you ;) | 20:26 |
| jneves | ignas: basically it shows all section's grades in a line (process number, student name, course 1 - section 1 grade, course 1 - module 2 grade, etc.) | 20:26 |
| jneves | :) | 20:26 |
| jneves | I bet the encoding issues should be common, at least | 20:26 |
| jneves | this is something specific for portugal's professional(aka technical) schools | 20:27 |
| jneves | normal schools are different | 20:27 |
| ignas | i see | 20:28 |
| ignas | http://dienynas.bst.lt/vsm/aprasymas/Elektroninis_dienynas%205.0.0.php - this is something i will be slowly converging to | 20:29 |
| ignas | there is a lot of work do be done ... | 20:29 |
| ignas | Lumiere: are you there? | 20:42 |
| jneves | ignas: is that the description of an existing system or just the goal? | 20:42 |
| ignas | jneves: existing proprietary system that did the favour to us by publishing all the UI on the web ;) | 20:43 |
| jneves | ok | 20:45 |
| jneves | one question is there already some kind of report system? I saw the tests, but I didn't find anything on the interface... | 20:46 |
| ignas | jneves: hmm, there is integration with reportlab for pdf report generation (no actual reports i think, except for calendars for printing) | 20:47 |
| ignas | and i am thinking of a css designed for printing | 20:47 |
| jneves | ignas: didn't found where the heck is the calendar for printing... | 20:48 |
| ignas | jneves: look at schooltool.conf | 20:48 |
| jneves | my project has some forms that must be printed... | 20:48 |
| jneves | ignas: ok, thanks | 20:48 |
| ignas | find the line that tells reportlab where to find msttcorefonts | 20:48 |
| ignas | and uncomment/fix it | 20:48 |
| jneves | ignas: that was solved before :) | 20:49 |
| th1a | There is also a library we could use that lets you use ZPT and XML to lay out templates. | 20:49 |
| ignas | th1a: what is the name of the library? | 20:49 |
| jneves | ignas: does that system also do management of money cards? | 20:50 |
| ignas | money cards? | 20:50 |
| ignas | what are these ? | 20:50 |
| th1a | ignas: http://viewcvs.tiks.org/viewcvs/repos/Collective/pdftemplate/ I've used it. It works. | 20:52 |
| jneves | ignas: something that several schools are using around here - you don't give the money to kids - you put money on a card that is managed by the system - the card usually has a magnetic stripe that gives a number that is then matched to an account on the system | 20:52 |
| ignas | jneves: no we don't have that | 20:52 |
| jneves | it's a way to avoid robbery... | 20:53 |
| ignas | i understand | 20:54 |
| Lumiere | back now | 21:07 |
| Lumiere | was grabbing lunch | 21:07 |
| Lumiere | ignas: back now | 21:10 |
| ignas | Lumiere: you might want to add some events to calendars and look at pdf claendar views on the demo server | 21:10 |
| Lumiere | k | 21:10 |
| ignas | i think weekly pdf view should be something what you want for your resources | 21:11 |
| Lumiere | let me finish my sandwich and i will look | 21:12 |
| ignas | :) | 21:13 |
| Lumiere | there is a workflow bug on making an event with resources | 21:14 |
| Lumiere | there should be a 'finish' button somewhere on that page | 21:14 |
| Lumiere | even if all it does is link you back to the calendar | 21:14 |
| Lumiere | it'll confuse people if they get to this page with no way of knowing that the event is done | 21:15 |
| ignas | makes sense | 21:16 |
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| Lumiere | ignas: the day print looks good | 22:24 |
| Lumiere | so does the week print | 22:24 |
| Lumiere | for a user | 22:25 |
| Lumiere | for a resource the (overlaid from ...) is clunky | 22:25 |
| Lumiere | how about Booked by: Schooltool Manager | 22:25 |
| Lumiere | or if it's a course (at some point) | 22:25 |
| Lumiere | Booked by Section ________________ of Course __________________--- | 22:26 |
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| Lumiere | th1a / ignas: ayt? | 22:28 |
| th1a | Lumiere: I am here until we go get lunch. | 22:28 |
| Lumiere | ok | 22:29 |
| Lumiere | I finally got a chance to look at the pdf view | 22:29 |
| ignas | Lumiere: can you give me a link that shows that | 22:29 |
| Lumiere | yea | 22:29 |
| Lumiere | http://65.254.53.148:7080/resources/candolap2/calendar | 22:29 |
| Lumiere | click print | 22:29 |
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| th1a | Lumiere: btw, I have spent the last day going through every bug in Malone and categorizing, weeding, etc., so I encourage you to use it. | 22:29 |
| Lumiere | I noticed | 22:30 |
| th1a | Do you get the emails ;-) | 22:30 |
| Lumiere | yea | 22:30 |
| th1a | I've generated quite a few. | 22:30 |
| Lumiere | I get ones that cando is related to | 22:30 |
| Lumiere | not on the schooltool dev group | 22:30 |
| Lumiere | I get enough email to filter as it is | 22:31 |
| Lumiere | anyways, I don't want to generate any bug reports on stuff in sprint | 22:31 |
| Lumiere | once the sprint ends, I'll generate bug reports for things we find | 22:32 |
| th1a | Lumiere: OK. | 22:34 |
| Lumiere | ignas: YES! :) nice commit I see :) | 22:47 |
| Lumiere | that was one I've been waiting for :) | 22:47 |
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| Fujitsu | Hi everyone. How's PyCon going? | 23:50 |
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| th1a | Fujitsu: Winding down. | 23:55 |
| th1a | The suits are moving into the hotel... | 23:55 |
| Fujitsu | OK. | 23:59 |
| Fujitsu | Good to see the bug totals dropping :) | 23:59 |
| th1a | We're still working though... | 23:59 |
| th1a | Yeah, a little action on Malone ;-) | 23:59 |
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