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| * th1a shuffles some papers around. | 16:27 | |
| th1a | hi ignas, jfroche | 16:28 |
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| jfroche | good afternoon th1a | 16:28 |
| ignas | hi | 16:28 |
| th1a | good morning jfroche | 16:28 |
| jfroche | :) | 16:28 |
| th1a | What's the temperature there? | 16:29 |
| th1a | It is -11 C here. | 16:29 |
| jfroche | great, +5°C in here | 16:30 |
| ignas | 0 :) | 16:30 |
| th1a | Expected high in Dallas on friday: 26. | 16:30 |
| ignas | ? | 16:31 |
| ignas | which one of these ? | 16:31 |
| th1a | huh? | 16:31 |
| jfroche | so hot ?! | 16:32 |
| th1a | It is -11 in Providence. | 16:32 |
| th1a | It looks like it will mostly be around 20. | 16:32 |
| ignas | Expected high in Dallas on friday: 26. - 26 celsius ? | 16:32 |
| th1a | Actually, I thought it would be even warmer. | 16:32 |
| th1a | Celsius. | 16:32 |
| th1a | I'm trying to translate for you crazy Europeans. | 16:33 |
| ignas | :D | 16:33 |
| jfroche | i was about to bring big coat with me... | 16:33 |
| th1a | It is TEXAS. | 16:33 |
| ignas | i thought you meant 2007-02-26 is Friday (which it is not) and it will be the warmest day ;) | 16:33 |
| th1a | I expect to be high on Friday the 26th. | 16:34 |
| th1a | Yes, that's what I meant to say. | 16:34 |
| th1a | Except I'm also high now. | 16:34 |
| th1a | So confusing! | 16:34 |
| th1a | Anyhow... I'm scheduled to arrive at 5:19 PM on Thursday. | 16:35 |
| th1a | What about you guys? | 16:35 |
| jfroche | i should arrive thursday at around 6h30 PM | 16:36 |
| ignas | 22:30 Thursday | 16:36 |
| th1a | jfroche: I'll wait for you at the airport. Did you send me your flight info? | 16:37 |
| jfroche | think i did, let me check | 16:37 |
| th1a | jfroche: Sorry, I could have checked myself. | 16:38 |
| jfroche | np | 16:38 |
| th1a | Shall we go over the PyCon email I sent earlier? | 16:39 |
| ignas | ok :) | 16:40 |
| th1a | The biggest concern is just trying to get more detail into the requirements for resource scheduling. | 16:40 |
| ignas | th1a: have you seen my chat with Lumiere ? | 16:41 |
| th1a | Also, we should probably start thinking about how to divide up the work into parallel chunks. | 16:41 |
| th1a | ignas: I guess not. | 16:41 |
| th1a | From when? | 16:41 |
| ignas | http://schooltool.pov.lt/irclogs/%23schooltool.2007-02-13.log.html#t2007-02-13T18:59:39 | 16:43 |
| ignas | it was before you wrote more or less same things to CanDo mailing list ;) | 16:44 |
| th1a | OK. Caught up with that... sorry. | 16:47 |
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| th1a | Well, no matter how much we do beforehand, there is going to be a necessary step of going carefullly over the existing functionality and picking out bugs & places for improvement. | 16:48 |
| th1a | I don't think we're going to have any significant disagreement about what direction we're going in. | 16:48 |
| ignas | :) | 16:49 |
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| th1a | The main thing I'd like to see over the next couple days is an exact sequence of events for "Teacher wants to reserve an 'X'" | 16:49 |
| ignas | jinty: hi | 16:49 |
| th1a | Which we don't quite have yet, I don't think. | 16:49 |
| th1a | jinty: hi. | 16:50 |
| ignas | th1a: i am not that sure about the sequence ... | 16:50 |
| th1a | Exactly. | 16:50 |
| th1a | Neither am I. | 16:50 |
| th1a | If we had it right, we wouldn't need this sprint. | 16:50 |
| ignas | th1a: i would be content with the requirements and think that we can come up with the exact sequence in the sprint | 16:50 |
| th1a | So what do we need to add to the current requirements? | 16:51 |
| ignas | as my plan is to keep everything working during the while effort - we will be doing it in steps anyway | 16:51 |
| ignas | let me read the most up to date thingie | 16:51 |
| th1a | OK... tell me more about your plan. | 16:51 |
| jinty | hey ignas, th1a | 16:51 |
| th1a | jinty: I need you to save my inbox from the checkins and announce lists. | 16:51 |
| ignas | th1a: hmm, maybe priorities in case we can't make everything in one go, but as the authors of the spec will be present | 16:52 |
| ignas | we will be able to talk about it | 16:52 |
| ignas | oh | 16:52 |
| th1a | Welsh won't be there. | 16:52 |
| ignas | yes | 16:52 |
| ignas | an issue | 16:52 |
| ignas | schooltool trunk vs CanDo schooltool | 16:52 |
| jinty | th1a: hmm, not sure what you mean | 16:52 |
| ignas | and the exact target | 16:53 |
| th1a | jinty: Approval messages for non-member submissions to those lists. | 16:53 |
| th1a | I think the target has to be schooltool trunk. | 16:53 |
| jinty | th1a: sure, but later | 16:53 |
| ignas | should i care about having these changes in schooltool or will we concentrate on making it integrate with CanDo only | 16:53 |
| th1a | This is core SchoolTool functionality. | 16:54 |
| ignas | hmm | 16:54 |
| th1a | There is a much larger question of UI layout. | 16:54 |
| ignas | then we will want to make CanDo use schooltool trunk | 16:54 |
| ignas | and there will be a lot higher emphasis on pluggability | 16:55 |
| ignas | on one hand - more useful, on another hand - more time | 16:55 |
| th1a | Yes, this isn't just CanDo functionality. | 16:55 |
| ignas | yes, but making resources as pluggable as schooltool person is will take at least some time | 16:56 |
| ignas | and with their specific requirements for resource schema | 16:56 |
| ignas | we will want something like that ... | 16:56 |
| th1a | Yes, but that's also something useful to teach them. | 16:56 |
| ignas | hmm | 16:56 |
| th1a | So I think that's one important thread. | 16:56 |
| jfroche | i would like to take part of the discussion there to see where i could help | 16:57 |
| th1a | jfroche: You may be in charge of that ;-) | 16:57 |
| th1a | Because another big thing ignas is going to have to teach is the new timetabling model. | 16:58 |
| ignas | ouch, yes indeed | 16:58 |
| ignas | hmm | 16:58 |
| ignas | i must find time to go through everything and mark the steps needed to finish resource booking improvements | 16:59 |
| ignas | one track will be "interface design", html, pt, mockups | 16:59 |
| ignas | one will be timetabling, porting CanDo to trunk or merging trunk to cando branch | 16:59 |
| th1a | one track for printed reports | 16:59 |
| ignas | and one track will be the Component Architecture + puggability | 16:59 |
| th1a | Remember we'll have some interns and newbies who might be productive and learn a lot working on stuff like report generation. | 17:00 |
| ignas | hmm | 17:00 |
| ignas | but you need a foundation for report generation, and i am not 100% sure it will be stable in the first days ... | 17:00 |
| th1a | Well, we can give people relatively low fruit, even if it isn't fully in their reach. | 17:01 |
| ignas | sorry about my ignorance of CanDo programmers, but how many programmers with as much experience as pcardune do they have ? | 17:01 |
| th1a | pcardue is a freak of nature. | 17:02 |
| th1a | So we have to take advantage of him. | 17:02 |
| th1a | And he's good at UI. | 17:02 |
| th1a | Otherwise... | 17:03 |
| ignas | and what about others? i mean how many programmers i can discuss deep Component Architecture + Pluggability questions will be in the sprint ... | 17:03 |
| th1a | Let's see, I'm not sure how much Zope 3 Lumiere has done. He seems like an experience developer, but he should be paired with a Zope 3 person for maximum productivity, I'd think. | 17:04 |
| ignas | s/will/with, will/ | 17:04 |
| th1a | ignas: It isn't a lot. | 17:04 |
| ignas | i know | 17:04 |
| th1a | Will (wdickers) has a solid Zope 3 foundation at this point, I'd say, but I'd put him on something like report generation. | 17:05 |
| th1a | aelkner is an experienced developer, but very much in learning mode with Zope 3. | 17:05 |
| * ignas has never participated in a sprint as the one who has to tell people what to do ... | 17:06 | |
| th1a | My experience from last year is that with most of the interns, it is probably best to give them a relatively simple task to hammer on themselves with periodic support/advice. | 17:06 |
| th1a | The core of the sprint is ignas, jfroche, pcardune, Lumeire. | 17:07 |
| th1a | jelkner and I are helpful in a managerial role, but won't cut much code. | 17:07 |
| th1a | If any... | 17:07 |
| th1a | Actually, I really need to work on ZPT. | 17:08 |
| ignas | can you give a short bio of Lumiere? as i am afraid i don't know much about him ... | 17:08 |
| th1a | I don't know much about him either. | 17:08 |
| th1a | I haven't met him. | 17:08 |
| th1a | But he seems to have a good sense of the problem. | 17:08 |
| ignas | so he will be filling in the role of the client :) | 17:09 |
| th1a | Also, we should take advantage of the opportunity to do hallway testing. | 17:10 |
| th1a | We need a comprehensive schedule of who is arriving and leaving when. | 17:10 |
| th1a | Do you guys agree that we should do a pre-sprint bug tracker cleanup? | 17:11 |
| th1a | I mean, in Dallas, pre-sprint. | 17:11 |
| ignas | when precisely ? | 17:11 |
| th1a | LIke, Sunday night or something. | 17:11 |
| ignas | when will the sprint start? during the conference or after it? | 17:12 |
| th1a | The sprint proper starts after. | 17:12 |
| jfroche | yep good for me | 17:12 |
| th1a | I need to get pcardune's schedule down, 'cause basically, whenever he's around it is a sprint. | 17:12 |
| th1a | And he won't be there the whole time because he's going to school. | 17:13 |
| ignas | i have a feeling i will be bothering him a lot during the conference | 17:13 |
| th1a | Please do. | 17:13 |
| th1a | He very talented and fassst. | 17:14 |
| th1a | OK, here's what I've got for threads: | 17:14 |
| th1a | * main booking workflow | 17:14 |
| ignas | on the other hand that will leave less of him and less of me to the others ;) | 17:14 |
| th1a | ignas: that's the tradeoff. | 17:15 |
| th1a | * pluggable resource schemas | 17:15 |
| th1a | * reviewing timetable system | 17:15 |
| th1a | * UI cleanup | 17:15 |
| th1a | * printed reports | 17:15 |
| th1a | * bugfixes | 17:15 |
| th1a | * documentation | 17:15 |
| th1a | Interns can also work on documentation. | 17:16 |
| ignas | you forgot the merging between schooltool trunk and CanDo schooltool | 17:16 |
| jfroche | & ldap help ? | 17:16 |
| th1a | Oh yeah ;-) | 17:16 |
| ignas | hmm | 17:17 |
| ignas | i am very interested in fixing the pluggability for persons and resources with pcardune, which might take more time than plain pluggable resources | 17:19 |
| th1a | I'm going to have to go over the conference schedule to see when we might squeeze in some early work. | 17:19 |
| ignas | ok | 17:19 |
| th1a | ignas: That would be a worthy goal. | 17:19 |
| th1a | I don't feel like we're where we'd like to be with that yet either. | 17:19 |
| th1a | Working with pcardune is a good way to break a logjam. | 17:20 |
| th1a | Hm... Saturday night is "hands on with the $100 laptop" at 8:00, so maybe Friday is bug nite? | 17:22 |
| ignas | we can do that | 17:22 |
| th1a | Unless we decide there's a block of time during the day with nothing we're interested in. | 17:22 |
| ignas | if we will have internet in the hotel we can do that in the evening ;) me and you should be enough for 75% of the bugs the rest might require jinty | 17:23 |
| th1a | At this point, there are lots of issues in Python that I could use a lesson in, so I'm going to want to attend a lot of sessions. | 17:23 |
| ignas | jinty: sticking to Zope3 trunk some time - what do you think ? | 17:24 |
| th1a | Since I was at PyCon two years ago, a lot of things have shifted in my mind from "What is 'X'" to "OK, how do I actually do 'X'" | 17:24 |
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| th1a | OK, Paul's talk is Friday at 11:25. | 17:25 |
| th1a | I think he's staying for two days of the sprint proper. | 17:26 |
| th1a | Pressing questions? | 17:27 |
| th1a | jfroche: I'll see you at the airport on Thursday, if we're both on time. | 17:27 |
| jfroche | right, have mobile to reach you ? | 17:28 |
| th1a | Oh... phone number... I'll send it. | 17:28 |
| th1a | I'll wear my EFF hat. | 17:28 |
| th1a | You can't miss it. | 17:28 |
| jfroche | Dallas might be a big airport | 17:28 |
| * th1a doesn't use his mobile at home and doesn't know his number. | 17:28 | |
| th1a | We should make sure we're going to the same airport. | 17:29 |
| th1a | There are two in Dallas. | 17:29 |
| th1a | OK. I'll send out some follow-up emails. | 17:30 |
| * th1a drops the bag of gravel. | 17:30 | |
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| jinty | ignas: sorry, i'm in a client's office at the moment, I'm pretty happy about going to the Zope3 trunk sooner rather than later. Our next release is pretty far away I guess. But I thought it might have bee too disturbing for your guys projects. | 17:51 |
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| Tydragon | so whats going on in here | 23:52 |
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