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| toothpick | Hello, is schooltool going to use any of the CENTRE/SIS source ? | 06:47 |
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| hoffman | Centre is PHP, we're Python. | 06:48 |
| hoffman | Programming languages, that is. | 06:48 |
| toothpick | hoffman ok, we had some company come to my school today and gave us a $35,000 estimate for their server/support/program | 06:49 |
| toothpick | Unbelievable. | 06:49 |
| hoffman | Not that surprising. | 06:49 |
| toothpick | Our school only has 417 students. | 06:49 |
| toothpick | PreK-8 | 06:49 |
| hoffman | Not really cost effective, either, then. | 06:49 |
| hoffman | ;-) | 06:49 |
| hoffman | toothpick: Where are you? | 06:50 |
| toothpick | US, New Jersey | 06:50 |
| hoffman | I'm in Providence, RI. | 06:50 |
| hoffman | Which part of Jersey? We're working with a school in Philly. | 06:51 |
| toothpick | About 50 miles from Philly.... | 06:52 |
| toothpick | Maurice River Township Elementary School | 06:52 |
| toothpick | It is in Cumberland County | 06:52 |
| toothpick | They currently have no online grading, and use a database on an AS/400 system for school records. | 06:53 |
| hoffman | How old's that thing? | 06:53 |
| toothpick | Before I started teaching there, my guess would be about 15 years | 06:54 |
| toothpick | but that could be a couple years too old. | 06:54 |
| hoffman | I was doing some work with a school in Chicago a couple years ago. The CPS's system dated from the late 60's. | 06:56 |
| hoffman | They try to replace it a couple times a decade. | 06:56 |
| hoffman | Not sure if they have yet. | 06:56 |
| toothpick | I hope not. | 06:58 |
| hoffman | It will be designated a historic landmark soon, and then they'll never be able to get rid of it. | 06:59 |
| hoffman | Anyhow, I presume you're looking at open source options? | 06:59 |
| toothpick | Yes, that is what I am doing. | 07:09 |
| toothpick | Thought a linux box would be the best solution...not real familiar with running a server, but I'm not afraid of reading manuals. | 07:10 |
| hoffman | Is this something that absolutely has to hit the ground running this fall? | 07:11 |
| toothpick | not really, but I think they would like it to do that. | 07:11 |
| toothpick | I was thinking of picking up some summer work helping set it up. | 07:11 |
| hoffman | Yes. | 07:12 |
| hoffman | You're not a programmer though, I assume. | 07:12 |
| toothpick | Not an active programmer... | 07:14 |
| toothpick | I've taken classes through the years, but never had the time it would take to develop any talent. | 07:14 |
| toothpick | Pascal, ada, C++ (did well in the classes, but they weren't too extensive.) | 07:14 |
| hoffman | Are you a teacher? | 07:15 |
| toothpick | Yes, 5th grade | 07:15 |
| hoffman | Centre is obviously further along than we are at this point, but I would be afraid to try to use it without a service contract with the Miller Group. | 07:17 |
| hoffman | If I'm getting the name of their company right. | 07:17 |
| toothpick | You're getting the name. | 07:19 |
| toothpick | A few years ago (five) schooltool was what centre has become. | 07:20 |
| toothpick | And I am not referring to this SCHOOLTOOL, the old one by someone else. | 07:20 |
| hoffman | There is schooltool.com | 07:20 |
| hoffman | Which is a completely separate commercial product. | 07:21 |
| hoffman | Has no relationship to us at all. | 07:21 |
| toothpick | no, 1 sec I'll pull up the link for you...kinda interesting imho | 07:21 |
| hoffman | There is ye olde Java SchoolTool. | 07:21 |
| hoffman | That was a failed version Mark started in South Africa. | 07:21 |
| toothpick | http://web.archive.org/web/20020207180312/http://www.schooltool.org/ | 07:21 |
| toothpick | Is that the same thing? | 07:23 |
| hoffman | Yes, that was the first attempt. | 07:23 |
| hoffman | Both were funded by Mark Shuttleworth. | 07:23 |
| toothpick | ok, gotcha. | 07:23 |
| hoffman | But we had to start over from scratch. | 07:23 |
| toothpick | Interesting, because the Centre comes up via a link from archive.org and that schooltool.org site | 07:23 |
| toothpick | I hadn't heard of Centre until today. | 07:23 |
| hoffman | I've met some people who use it. | 07:24 |
| toothpick | Impression? | 07:25 |
| hoffman | Well, like I said, I wouldn't use it without a service contract. | 07:25 |
| hoffman | However, beyond that, it appears to work. | 07:26 |
| hoffman | They just don't have much of a community outside the Miller Group. | 07:26 |
| hoffman | So if you have a problem, you're probably pretty much stuck asking them. | 07:26 |
| hoffman | And they're obviously in the business of being paid to support Centre. | 07:26 |
| hoffman | I don't mean that as a dig. | 07:27 |
| hoffman | It is a valid approach. | 07:27 |
| hoffman | But you should know what you're getting into if you try to run it entirely yourself. | 07:27 |
| toothpick | I'm going to try to get it up and running on this laptop so I can play around a bit with it. | 07:28 |
| hoffman | Are you running Windows? | 07:30 |
| toothpick | no | 07:32 |
| toothpick | I run debian sid on my laptop. | 07:33 |
| hoffman | Ah, excellent. | 07:33 |
| hoffman | Your first comment about running a Linux server made me think you hadn't used Linux much. | 07:34 |
| hoffman | There aren't so many people who run Linux on their laptops who don't also run servers one way or another. | 07:34 |
| toothpick | Understandable. | 07:35 |
| hoffman | We're going to have a development snapshot next Tuesday that has a lot of new documentation and some new features. | 07:35 |
| toothpick | This is my new laptop =) a cheapo relatively speaking, but running real nice...much better than the one I upgraded from, it was a p100 with 40 megs of ram and almost a 2 gig drive. | 07:35 |
| toothpick | I've got time to get both of them set up here and I can play around with them. | 07:36 |
| hoffman | That's the beauty of open source. | 07:36 |
| toothpick | Thanks for taking the time to educate me a bit. | 07:36 |
| toothpick | I'm getting too tired to be of much value. | 07:36 |
| hoffman | No problem. | 07:36 |
| toothpick | Have a great night. | 07:36 |
| hoffman | OK. You too. | 07:36 |
| toothpick | thanks | 07:36 |
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| povbot` | /svn/commits: Typos. | 07:54 |
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| hoffman | srichter: I'm shooting for getting to your place between 9:00 and 9:30. | 14:42 |
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