IRC log of #schooltool for Tuesday, 2005-10-11

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povbot/svn/commits: * jinty committed revision 5210:00:52
povbot/svn/commits: Drop an XXX and add the schooltool release to the trunk release collection.00:52
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JohnnySTI just installed schooltool in etch but what is tha default login and password it is not manager and schooltool as it says in the documentation.13:40
jintyJohnnyST: strange13:50
JohnnySTyes Etch13:50
jintywhat port are you looking at?13:50
jintysrichter: the codename for the forthcoming release of debian13:51
JohnnySTnow it works I as at the worng port :)13:53
jintylooking at schoolbell? ;)13:53
JohnnySTI was on 7180 and that did not work :)13:54
JohnnySTWell I think we will translete it to Swedish and Finnish..13:54
JohnnySTIt is a local school here that is intressted in schooltool.13:55
JohnnySTWe also have a local company here in town that have monpoly on the adminstrative school programs in Finland..13:56
JohnnySTI hope we could do somting about that :)13:57
jintysounds like there could be the right oppertunity13:57
jintygiven the cost of schooltool13:57
JohnnySTBtw is somone working fulltime on schooltool?13:57
JohnnySTjinty, yes sure.13:57
JohnnySTBut I think schooltool needs a bit more features before we could compete with the local monoply :)13:58
jintyquite a few, I think. Though sometimes they take time off for other work13:58
JohnnySTI think schooltool is importatnt.13:59
JohnnySTI met Mark at debconf 5 in Helsinki he talked a bit about Schooltool there.14:00
jintyIndeed, I noticed.14:00
* jinty is tired, and decides a siesta is the best option.14:02
jintyJohnnyST: ttyl....14:02
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srichterbtw, I am back! :-)15:25
tiredbonesstrichter, is there any log as to what took place?15:50
tiredbonesstrichter, is there any log(s) as to what took place at the sprint?15:51
srichtertiredbones: there will be15:51
srichterTarek will have a Blog post, and I will write a log on the NeckarSprint Wiki page15:52
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povbot/svn/commits: * ignas committed revision 5211:20:07
povbot/svn/commits: Added fucntions that create specialized relationships.20:07
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povbot/svn/commits: * vidas committed revision 5212:22:21
povbot/svn/commits: Sample data plugin that creates random personal events for persons.22:21
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povbot/svn/commits: * mg committed revision 5213:22:48
povbot/svn/commits: Added SchoolToolClient.createResource.22:48
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WelshWelsh here22:57
Welshjinty:  you around?22:57
povbot/svn/commits: * mg committed revision 5214:22:59
povbot/svn/commits: Previously, if you called restclient.createPerson(..., username), and there already was a person with this username, two things would happen:22:59
povbot/svn/commits: 1. Your requested user would overwrite the existing one.  2. createPerson would raise a SchoolToolError because it received 200 OK, not22:59
povbot/svn/commits: 201 Created.22:59
povbot/svn/commits: Obviously this makes no sense.  There are two solutions:22:59
povbot/svn/commits: A. Let createPerson overwrite existing users, and say it was a success.  B. Make createPerson add some HTTP header that would prevent the user22:59
povbot/svn/commits: from clobbering existing users, and then raise an exception.22:59
povbot/svn/commits: (A) is simpler, so that's what I implemented in this checkin.22:59
jintyWelsh yeah23:01
jintypcardune: hi23:02
Welshso the norm is to type sudo before the setup commands23:03
Welshjinty:  we're going with that23:03
jintyits better security practice, that I forget about a lot23:03
Welshright.  sudo it is!23:04
WelshI'll change the documentation to reflect that23:04
WelshNeed a procedure now for backing up Data.fs23:04
Welshownership of Data.fs is an issue23:05
jintyThe question is how complex/rigorous23:05
Welshoverall I'm thinking we should get the managers to copy Data.fs to their home directories23:05
Welshand rename it Data.fs.10-11-05 (date of backup)23:05
pcarduneofftopic: does the Zope3 trunk have the testbrowser module now?  or is it still in its own branch?23:05
jintyhowso is the permission an issue if the managers have root access on the machine?23:05
jintypcardune: saw srichter merging it a few days ago23:06
Welshthey're not logging on as root, are they?23:06
srichteryes, the Zope 3 trunk has zope.testbrowser now23:06
mgedmin2-digit year names are EVIL23:07
mgedminis 10-11-05 a backup from 2010?23:07
mgedminis it octobet 11 or november 10?23:07
Welsh10-11-2005 better?23:07
* mgedmin is an ISO-8601 (YYYY-MM-DD) bigot23:08
mgedminalso filenames with YYYY-MM-DD sort better23:08
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Welshyyyy-mm-dd then?23:08
jintysomething like: sudo cp /var/lib/schooltool/Data.fs ~/Data.fs-`date --iso-8601`23:09
jintyer replace cp with cp -p23:10
jintyWelsh: It is quite important for the permissions on the Data.fs to be restrictive. Otherwise normal users on the machine could look inside...23:12
Welshso the cp -p command will keep Data.fs as user cando, group cando?23:14
povbot/svn/commits: * jinty committed revision 5215:23:14
povbot/svn/commits: Implemented evil hack number 3 to try to get the tarball funftional tests working. Also cleaned up the python path settings in a little, I think.23:14
Welshthen the restore command would look like, from the home directory...23:15
Welshcp -p Data.fs.2005-10-11 /var/lib/cando/Data.fs23:15
jintyer, you probably would want to stop any running server first before ripping away it's database23:16
jintyso: sudo /etc/init.d/schooltool stop23:17
Welshso stop cando, then backup, then restart?23:17
Welshok, I think I've got the procedure.23:17
th1aDoes Zope3 back up the database when you pack it?23:17
th1aYou might be able to steal code from that process.23:17
jintyYou shouldn't have to stop during backup, only during restore23:17
jintyth1a: I think you are right...23:18
WelshI'm also using SCP to copy the backups from the server to my desktop23:18
jintyhere is a more complete doc about backing up Data.fs':
* jinty eats his words when he reads about cp or rsync not good for live Data.fs'23:23
Welshrighto... forget about stopping that server.23:24
Welsher... sorry... I am stopping that server23:25
povbot/svn/commits: * jinty committed revision 5216:23:27
povbot/svn/commits: Allow for the differences in options between the schooltool and zope test runners.23:27
th1aThere should be lots of stuff floating around on the web about backing up the Data.fs of Zope 2 servers.23:29
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povbot/svn/commits: * jinty committed revision 5217:23:38
povbot/svn/commits: Commit various changes I made to the release config on the server but forgot to commit.23:38
jintyyay, the23:38
Welshjinty:  I'm going to keep working on the documentation for SchoolTool/Cando23:39
Welshuntil I feel like people can get going without me23:39
Welshthen I'll focus on training as many of my own staff as possible, using the website for backup23:39
Welshmay have more questions for you as I progress23:39
jintyno worries, I should be around.23:40
Welshgreat.  thanks for help so far.  you've been great.23:40
WelshWashington Post may pickup press release about SchoolTool/CanDo (it was written-up at their request)23:41
WelshWill let you guys know if something comes of it.23:41
jintybtw: jelkner sad he would be joining us soon23:41
Welshthought so too.  not sure where he's at23:41
jintyjust met him over in #edubuntu23:41
mhzjelkner is not in #edubuntu now23:43
mhzactually he's not in any channel at this very moment23:44
Welshwell... because he's on the phone with Welsh23:45
Welshhe's joining shortly23:45
WelshPicture if you will... Elkner running out of library to answer mobile phone23:46
Welshnow running back into public library to log onto IRC23:46
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Welshshhhh.... here he is.23:47
jelknerhey, paul, jinty, thanks for the great work!23:47
jelknerWelsh and I are digging this!23:47
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jelkneryou've put quite a product together, paul.23:50
jelknerreally nice work23:50
pcardunethanks, but there is still much to be done23:50
jelknerdave is working on the documentation23:50
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pcardunethe functional tests broke because of a change in the testbrowser module, so I have to fix all of them now23:50
jelknerand i'll learn to use the system testing his documentation23:50
jelknerwell, you have 3 weeks to refactor now23:51
jelknerwe shouldn't have much for you to do23:51
jintyone thing I wanted to bring up is moving cando into ubuntu universe.23:51
jelknerplease, jinty, how do we do that?23:51
jelknerand when is it time to resume my packaging lessons?23:52
jintyas soon as you like;)23:52
jintyI have a procedure pretty well worked out for minor updates, we can start with that.23:53
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jelkneri'm in the library, and folks are asking me questions, otherwise I'd say, now would be good23:53
jelkneri could head home and we could do a lesson in about 30 minutes.  is that good?23:54
jintyer, it's a bit late for me23:54
jelknerwhen would you like?23:54
jelknersunday again?23:54
jelknermorning for me would be possible23:55
povbot/svn/commits: * jinty committed revision 5218:23:55
povbot/svn/commits: Hopefully make running the functional tests from schooltool instances work.23:55
jintyok, sunday is good, But let's wait until paul has an update to get out23:55
jelknerhe has one small problem to solve23:56
jintythey you do it with help23:56
jelknerpcardune: paul, you'll have something for us by sunday, yes?23:56
pcardunewhat do you mean by something?23:57
pcardunesomething to repackage?23:57
pcarduneyeah, I made the uber-minor change in the front page... changing CanDoToo to CanDo23:57
jelknerwhat about that login bug?23:57
pcardunehaven't gotten to that yet23:57
jelknerjinty: did dave and/or paul tell you about that?23:58
povbot/svn/commits: * jinty committed revision 5219:23:58
povbot/svn/commits: Run both the functional and the unit tests on instances in releases.23:58
jelknerpcardune: be sure to ask for assistance when you need it23:58
jelknerthat's what a community process is all about23:58
pcarduneyes yes, i know, i just haven't looked into it at all yet23:58
jintyor even just complain about your problems on IRD23:59
jintymgedmin's quite funny when he does that23:59
jelknercan we say sunday 9 am EST?23:59

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