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| povbot | /svn/commits: Drop an XXX and add the schooltool release to the trunk release collection. | 00:52 |
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| JohnnyST | hi | 13:39 |
| JohnnyST | I just installed schooltool in etch but what is tha default login and password it is not manager and schooltool as it says in the documentation. | 13:40 |
| srichter | etch? | 13:47 |
| jinty | JohnnyST: strange | 13:50 |
| JohnnyST | yes Etch | 13:50 |
| jinty | what port are you looking at? | 13:50 |
| jinty | srichter: the codename for the forthcoming release of debian | 13:51 |
| srichter | ok | 13:51 |
| JohnnyST | now it works I as at the worng port :) | 13:53 |
| JohnnyST | hehe | 13:53 |
| jinty | looking at schoolbell? ;) | 13:53 |
| JohnnyST | I was on 7180 and that did not work :) | 13:54 |
| JohnnyST | Well I think we will translete it to Swedish and Finnish.. | 13:54 |
| jinty | coo! | 13:55 |
| JohnnyST | It is a local school here that is intressted in schooltool. | 13:55 |
| JohnnyST | We also have a local company here in town that have monpoly on the adminstrative school programs in Finland.. | 13:56 |
| JohnnyST | I hope we could do somting about that :) | 13:57 |
| jinty | sounds like there could be the right oppertunity | 13:57 |
| jinty | given the cost of schooltool | 13:57 |
| JohnnyST | Btw is somone working fulltime on schooltool? | 13:57 |
| JohnnyST | jinty, yes sure. | 13:57 |
| JohnnyST | But I think schooltool needs a bit more features before we could compete with the local monoply :) | 13:58 |
| jinty | quite a few, I think. Though sometimes they take time off for other work | 13:58 |
| JohnnyST | I think schooltool is importatnt. | 13:59 |
| JohnnyST | I met Mark at debconf 5 in Helsinki he talked a bit about Schooltool there. | 14:00 |
| jinty | Indeed, I noticed. | 14:00 |
| * jinty is tired, and decides a siesta is the best option. | 14:02 | |
| jinty | JohnnyST: ttyl.... | 14:02 |
| jinty | zzz | 14:02 |
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| srichter | btw, I am back! :-) | 15:25 |
| tiredbones | strichter, is there any log as to what took place? | 15:50 |
| tiredbones | strichter, is there any log(s) as to what took place at the sprint? | 15:51 |
| srichter | tiredbones: there will be | 15:51 |
| srichter | Tarek will have a Blog post, and I will write a log on the NeckarSprint Wiki page | 15:52 |
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| povbot | /svn/commits: * ignas committed revision 5211: | 20:07 |
| povbot | /svn/commits: Added fucntions that create specialized relationships. | 20:07 |
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| povbot | /svn/commits: * vidas committed revision 5212: | 22:21 |
| povbot | /svn/commits: Sample data plugin that creates random personal events for persons. | 22:21 |
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| povbot | /svn/commits: * mg committed revision 5213: | 22:48 |
| povbot | /svn/commits: Added SchoolToolClient.createResource. | 22:48 |
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| Welsh | Welsh here | 22:57 |
| Welsh | jinty: you around? | 22:57 |
| pcardune | hello | 22:58 |
| povbot | /svn/commits: * mg committed revision 5214: | 22:59 |
| povbot | /svn/commits: Previously, if you called restclient.createPerson(..., username), and there already was a person with this username, two things would happen: | 22:59 |
| povbot | /svn/commits: 1. Your requested user would overwrite the existing one. 2. createPerson would raise a SchoolToolError because it received 200 OK, not | 22:59 |
| povbot | /svn/commits: 201 Created. | 22:59 |
| povbot | /svn/commits: Obviously this makes no sense. There are two solutions: | 22:59 |
| povbot | /svn/commits: A. Let createPerson overwrite existing users, and say it was a success. B. Make createPerson add some HTTP header that would prevent the user | 22:59 |
| povbot | /svn/commits: from clobbering existing users, and then raise an exception. | 22:59 |
| povbot | /svn/commits: (A) is simpler, so that's what I implemented in this checkin. | 22:59 |
| jinty | Welsh yeah | 23:01 |
| jinty | pcardune: hi | 23:02 |
| Welsh | hey | 23:02 |
| Welsh | so the norm is to type sudo before the setup commands | 23:03 |
| Welsh | jinty: we're going with that | 23:03 |
| jinty | its better security practice, that I forget about a lot | 23:03 |
| Welsh | right. sudo it is! | 23:04 |
| Welsh | I'll change the documentation to reflect that | 23:04 |
| Welsh | Need a procedure now for backing up Data.fs | 23:04 |
| Welsh | ownership of Data.fs is an issue | 23:05 |
| jinty | The question is how complex/rigorous | 23:05 |
| Welsh | overall I'm thinking we should get the managers to copy Data.fs to their home directories | 23:05 |
| Welsh | and rename it Data.fs.10-11-05 (date of backup) | 23:05 |
| pcardune | offtopic: does the Zope3 trunk have the testbrowser module now? or is it still in its own branch? | 23:05 |
| jinty | howso is the permission an issue if the managers have root access on the machine? | 23:05 |
| jinty | pcardune: saw srichter merging it a few days ago | 23:06 |
| Welsh | they're not logging on as root, are they? | 23:06 |
| srichter | yes, the Zope 3 trunk has zope.testbrowser now | 23:06 |
| srichter | (yipee) | 23:06 |
| mgedmin | 2-digit year names are EVIL | 23:07 |
| mgedmin | is 10-11-05 a backup from 2010? | 23:07 |
| mgedmin | is it octobet 11 or november 10? | 23:07 |
| Welsh | 10-11-2005 better? | 23:07 |
| * mgedmin is an ISO-8601 (YYYY-MM-DD) bigot | 23:08 | |
| mgedmin | also filenames with YYYY-MM-DD sort better | 23:08 |
| mgedmin | cheers! | 23:08 |
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| Welsh | yyyy-mm-dd then? | 23:08 |
| jinty | something like: sudo cp /var/lib/schooltool/Data.fs ~/Data.fs-`date --iso-8601` | 23:09 |
| jinty | er replace cp with cp -p | 23:10 |
| jinty | Welsh: It is quite important for the permissions on the Data.fs to be restrictive. Otherwise normal users on the machine could look inside... | 23:12 |
| Welsh | so the cp -p command will keep Data.fs as user cando, group cando? | 23:14 |
| povbot | /svn/commits: * jinty committed revision 5215: | 23:14 |
| povbot | /svn/commits: Implemented evil hack number 3 to try to get the tarball funftional tests working. Also cleaned up the python path settings in test.py a little, I think. | 23:14 |
| jinty | yeah | 23:14 |
| Welsh | then the restore command would look like, from the home directory... | 23:15 |
| Welsh | cp -p Data.fs.2005-10-11 /var/lib/cando/Data.fs | 23:15 |
| jinty | er, you probably would want to stop any running server first before ripping away it's database | 23:16 |
| jinty | ;) | 23:16 |
| jinty | so: sudo /etc/init.d/schooltool stop | 23:17 |
| Welsh | so stop cando, then backup, then restart? | 23:17 |
| Welsh | gotcha | 23:17 |
| Welsh | ok, I think I've got the procedure. | 23:17 |
| th1a | Does Zope3 back up the database when you pack it? | 23:17 |
| th1a | You might be able to steal code from that process. | 23:17 |
| jinty | You shouldn't have to stop during backup, only during restore | 23:17 |
| jinty | th1a: I think you are right... | 23:18 |
| Welsh | I'm also using SCP to copy the backups from the server to my desktop | 23:18 |
| jinty | here is a more complete doc about backing up Data.fs': http://www.zope.org/Wikis/ZODB/FileStorageBackup | 23:21 |
| Welsh | awesome | 23:22 |
| * jinty eats his words when he reads about cp or rsync not good for live Data.fs' | 23:23 | |
| Welsh | righto... forget about stopping that server. | 23:24 |
| Welsh | er... sorry... I am stopping that server | 23:25 |
| povbot | /svn/commits: * jinty committed revision 5216: | 23:27 |
| povbot | /svn/commits: Allow for the differences in options between the schooltool and zope test runners. | 23:27 |
| th1a | There should be lots of stuff floating around on the web about backing up the Data.fs of Zope 2 servers. | 23:29 |
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| povbot | /svn/commits: * jinty committed revision 5217: | 23:38 |
| povbot | /svn/commits: Commit various changes I made to the release config on the server but forgot to commit. | 23:38 |
| jinty | yay, the | 23:38 |
| Welsh | jinty: I'm going to keep working on the documentation for SchoolTool/Cando | 23:39 |
| Welsh | until I feel like people can get going without me | 23:39 |
| Welsh | then I'll focus on training as many of my own staff as possible, using the website for backup | 23:39 |
| Welsh | may have more questions for you as I progress | 23:39 |
| jinty | no worries, I should be around. | 23:40 |
| Welsh | great. thanks for help so far. you've been great. | 23:40 |
| Welsh | Washington Post may pickup press release about SchoolTool/CanDo (it was written-up at their request) | 23:41 |
| Welsh | Will let you guys know if something comes of it. | 23:41 |
| jinty | btw: jelkner sad he would be joining us soon | 23:41 |
| Welsh | thought so too. not sure where he's at | 23:41 |
| jinty | just met him over in #edubuntu | 23:41 |
| Welsh | gotcha | 23:41 |
| mhz | jelkner is not in #edubuntu now | 23:43 |
| mhz | actually he's not in any channel at this very moment | 23:44 |
| Welsh | well... because he's on the phone with Welsh | 23:45 |
| mhz | lol | 23:45 |
| Welsh | he's joining shortly | 23:45 |
| Welsh | Picture if you will... Elkner running out of library to answer mobile phone | 23:46 |
| Welsh | now running back into public library to log onto IRC | 23:46 |
| mhz | hehehe | 23:46 |
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| Welsh | shhhh.... here he is. | 23:47 |
| jelkner | hey, paul, jinty, thanks for the great work! | 23:47 |
| jelkner | Welsh and I are digging this! | 23:47 |
| pcardune | hey | 23:49 |
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| jelkner | you've put quite a product together, paul. | 23:50 |
| jelkner | really nice work | 23:50 |
| pcardune | thanks, but there is still much to be done | 23:50 |
| jelkner | dave is working on the documentation | 23:50 |
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| pcardune | the functional tests broke because of a change in the testbrowser module, so I have to fix all of them now | 23:50 |
| jelkner | and i'll learn to use the system testing his documentation | 23:50 |
| jelkner | well, you have 3 weeks to refactor now | 23:51 |
| jelkner | we shouldn't have much for you to do | 23:51 |
| jinty | one thing I wanted to bring up is moving cando into ubuntu universe. | 23:51 |
| jelkner | please, jinty, how do we do that? | 23:51 |
| jelkner | and when is it time to resume my packaging lessons? | 23:52 |
| jinty | as soon as you like;) | 23:52 |
| jinty | I have a procedure pretty well worked out for minor updates, we can start with that. | 23:53 |
| jelkner | excellent | 23:53 |
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| jelkner | i'm in the library, and folks are asking me questions, otherwise I'd say, now would be good | 23:53 |
| jelkner | i could head home and we could do a lesson in about 30 minutes. is that good? | 23:54 |
| jinty | er, it's a bit late for me | 23:54 |
| jelkner | when would you like? | 23:54 |
| jelkner | sunday again? | 23:54 |
| jelkner | morning for me would be possible | 23:55 |
| povbot | /svn/commits: * jinty committed revision 5218: | 23:55 |
| povbot | /svn/commits: Hopefully make running the functional tests from schooltool instances work. | 23:55 |
| jinty | ok, sunday is good, But let's wait until paul has an update to get out | 23:55 |
| jelkner | he has one small problem to solve | 23:56 |
| jinty | they you do it with help | 23:56 |
| jelkner | cool | 23:56 |
| jelkner | pcardune: paul, you'll have something for us by sunday, yes? | 23:56 |
| pcardune | what do you mean by something? | 23:57 |
| pcardune | something to repackage? | 23:57 |
| jinty | yeah | 23:57 |
| jelkner | yes | 23:57 |
| jelkner | lol | 23:57 |
| pcardune | yeah, I made the uber-minor change in the front page... changing CanDoToo to CanDo | 23:57 |
| jelkner | what about that login bug? | 23:57 |
| pcardune | haven't gotten to that yet | 23:57 |
| jelkner | jinty: did dave and/or paul tell you about that? | 23:58 |
| povbot | /svn/commits: * jinty committed revision 5219: | 23:58 |
| povbot | /svn/commits: Run both the functional and the unit tests on instances in releases. | 23:58 |
| jelkner | pcardune: be sure to ask for assistance when you need it | 23:58 |
| jelkner | that's what a community process is all about | 23:58 |
| pcardune | yes yes, i know, i just haven't looked into it at all yet | 23:58 |
| jinty | or even just complain about your problems on IRD | 23:59 |
| jinty | s/IRD/IRC | 23:59 |
| jinty | mgedmin's quite funny when he does that | 23:59 |
| jelkner | can we say sunday 9 am EST? | 23:59 |
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