IRC log of #schooltool for Monday, 2005-07-25

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povbot/svn/commits: adding equality checking and removing junk.00:14
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povbot/svn/commits: * tvon committed revision 4332:02:34
povbot/svn/commits: Allow looping through batches in a batch list.  I'm sure this could be prettier...02:34
th1aAnd it will be, I'm sure :-)02:35
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povbot/svn/commits: * tvon committed revision 4333:16:17
povbot/svn/commits: following improvement suggestion from gintas16:17
th1aGreetings, all.16:29
th1aOK.  Let's do some damage to the issue tracker.16:31
th1a274 -- the IE bug.  Is that fixed?16:31
th1a283 -- should we do some kind of ugly hack to keep the original manager from being deleted, at least for the time being?16:32
th1agintas:  is 270 fixed?16:33
* bskahan moves to a windows computer16:33
gintasth1a, yes16:34
gintasI guess it was not backported, but the fix was committed to the trunk16:34
alga283: we might add a command line option to restore the default manager16:34
bskahanI'm currently working on 28716:34
th1aalga:  Could that be done quickly?16:34
* mgedmin is looking at 26716:35
* tvon loads up vmware16:35
bskahan can be closed?16:35
th1abskahan:  I assume so.  I haven't literally tried it.16:37
algaI just have16:38
algaAre you sure you want to delete selected items?16:38
algaSorry you can not delete the current user!16:38
th1aOK.  Close it.16:38
gintasI think ignas implemented it16:38
bskahancan anyone duplicate 309? I can't trigger it here16:39
povbot/svn/commits: * gintas committed revision 4334:16:39
povbot/svn/commits: Added default values for fields to serve as examples in the timetable slot time input pages.16:39
th1aI'm marking 302 (Dep. warning over auto. translation) as 'testing' status.16:40
bskahanI'm fixing 301, by removing the no longer used tal16:40
algabskahan: I see 309 is marked resolved16:40
th1aI just did that.16:40
th1aUnless that bug actually makes sense to someone.16:41
th1aOr, more precisely, if someone can reproduce it.16:41
th1aOr should I give it some other status?16:41
algaI'm fine with resolved16:43
algasince we do not have 'cannot reproduce' status16:43
povbot/svn/commits: * gintas committed revision 4335:16:43
povbot/svn/commits: Punctuation is nice and deleting users is not16:43
gintaswe should really enable tracebacks by default16:43
bskahanwhen I run ftests in a schoolbell trunk I get a failing ftest 'src/schoolbell/app/browser/ftests/cal.txt", line 179, in cal.txt16:43
bskahanthe error is that pdf support isn't enabled16:44
gintasbskahan, I'll look into that16:44
mgedmingintas, working on it16:44
* bskahan nods16:45
th1aHm... I kept forgetting to install ReportLab when testing SchoolTool.16:45
th1aNow I've got it installed and Safari is throwing a "File does not begin with '%PDF-'. error.16:46
gintasthat's odd16:46
th1aTrying Firefox.16:47
algamy guess is that file begins with the words 'system error'16:47
gintascan you download the file to disk and have a look inside?16:47
th1aThis is where a link to the pdf would be nice.16:47
algaissue 31716:47
gintasthere should be a link, a printer icon at the top right16:47
gintasif there isn't one, something is wrong16:48
th1aYes.  "PDF support is disabled."16:48
th1aWhat do I need to do to turn it on?16:48
th1aSomething other than install ReportLab?16:48
gintasyou need Arial and Times New Roman fonts16:49
gintasand PIL, which I'm about to add to the dependencies section16:49
tvonIs there any reason 265 is still open?16:49
th1aAh.  PIL.16:49
gintasyou have to specify the path to the fonts in schoolbell.conf16:50
gintasI don't like that either, but I'm sure we can't bundle Microsoft fonts16:50
gintaswe could try using some free ones though, I think16:50
th1aI've never dealt with that when I've used ReportLab.16:50
gintasthat's probably because you didn't use TrueType fonts16:51
algath1a: TTF fonts are needed for unicode support16:51
gintaswe definitely want those because the standard ones do not support UTF-816:51
gintaswhich is bad bad bad16:51
algaFreeFont fonts have a problem with reportlab and Acrobat 5...16:52
th1aI suppose they aren't in Ubuntu either.16:52
povbot/svn/commits: * bskahan committed revision 4336:16:52
algathere is a msttcorefonts package16:52
povbot/svn/commits: removing unused tal from group resource membership to close
gintasMS fonts are16:52
gintasbut probably in 'universe'16:52
algamultiverse ;-)16:52
gintasmultiverse actually16:52
pcardunehow can i get the username of the person currently logged in?  from the request object?  what is the key?16:53
tvonwhat about Bitstream Vera?16:53
bskahanwhat about using times/arial on windows/mac and bitstream on linux/unix16:53
algapcardune: see request.principal16:53
tvonpcardune: request.principal16:54
gintasbskahan, that sounds reasonable16:54
algawe also can adapt request to a person afair16:54
tvonpcardune: IPerson(request.principal)16:54
algaIPerson(request) or IPerson(request.principal)16:54
algaha ha :)16:54
gintasbut I'm not completely sure it's a good idea to have differrent-looking reports from Windows and Linux versions16:55
th1aI would prefer if pdf printing didn't require a cascade of dependencies.16:55
tvoncan we bundle Bitstream Vera fonts?16:55
mgedminpcardune, in page templates we have some special syntax for that16:55
gintasth1a, me too16:56
algath1a: PIL is for the logo on PDF16:56
algacan be disabled if PIL is not available16:56
th1aWell, we may turn off that logo for the time being anyhow.  I haven't seen it yet.16:58
pcardunemgedmin, can you give me the name of a page template to look at?16:58
mgedminpcardune, uhh.., I guess16:58
mgedmingrep for request/principal16:58
th1aThere are a number of timezone related bugs still open.16:59
th1a141 for example.  295.17:00
th1aI'm assigning these to tvon.17:01
* tvon nods17:01
th1aYou're welcome.17:01
tvonworking on the ie cal bug17:01
bskahanth1a: you can assign 141 to me17:02
th1aalga:  Can either of the fixes in 283 be done in, say, two hours?17:02
algaI think so17:03
tvonbskahan: I think it needs TZOFFSETFROM set to UTC17:03
bskahantvon: thanks17:03
tvon(not 'UTC' literally)17:04
th1aWell, I don't consider 283 to be a show-stopper, but a fix would be nice if someone wants to take it on.17:04
* bskahan nods17:04
th1aNow that we're past the halfway point, let's shift the focus a bit.17:05
th1aAre there any show-stoppers?17:05
algatheoretically, all bugs marked 'critical' or 'urgent'17:05
th1asrichter: ayt?17:05
th1aWell, what's the consensus about the urgency of 283?17:06
bskahan315 is at least urgent17:06
alga283 would be nice, but not important17:07
alga317 is important too17:07
th1aWho is responsible for 315?17:07
th1aIs 317 gintas's?17:08
th1aI'm marking 316 as urgent.17:10
th1aAlthough we could release without it, we should be able to get it done.17:10
* bskahan nods17:10
th1aAnyone know anything about issue 300?17:11
th1aIs that because we don't have a French translation?  Do we?17:12
mgedmindo we support 'lang' in the config file these days?17:12
gintaswe do17:12
mgedminwhat does it do?17:12
gintasforces a language setting for the browser UI17:13
mgedminok, so we turned off the zope 3 browser language negotiation17:13
gintasthis was in one of the stories in the last iteration, I think17:13
gintasif lang auto is specified, negotiation is used17:13
th1atvon & bskahan:  Who wants 299?17:14
bskahanI think 287 is a showstopper17:14
* bskahan assigns to self17:14
tvonit's a dupe17:14
tvonI think 299 is the same as the ical tz bug17:15
bskahanthat's a dupe of 141?17:15
th1aEither way, I want to assign it to someone.17:15
bskahanassign to me17:16
bskahansince I'm doing 14117:16
th1aI think I should mark these timezone bugs urgent.17:17
tvonbskahan: I *think* so17:17
th1aThey really ought to be fixed.17:17
algath1a: what about 313?  Do you want it in?17:17
bskahantvon: even if its not an exact dupe, they're related17:18
povbot/svn/commits: * tvon committed revision 4337:17:19
povbot/svn/commits: cbb fix for issue274.17:19
povbot/svn/commits: IE is on box-model crack, so it's 100% width is more than 100%.  Since IE does not grok min-width we can set the width to 99% and  min-width to 100% for mozilla.  Unfortunately KHTML is the middle man again, working with 100% width but not understanding min-width... so KHTML is slightly mis-aligned on the right side (with the calendar context navigation) but it works in IE.17:19
th1aalga:  Oh, yes.17:19
th1aIn fact, I could have sworn I submitted another timetabling bug.17:20
th1aIt is a pretty bad one.17:20
mgedmintvon, IE doesn't include margins or padding in width, while firefox does17:20
mgedminthat's the root cause of these problems17:20
th1aOh.  mgedmin fixed it.17:20
mgedminok, that one -- yes17:21
* tvon nods17:21
bskahan should probably be closed17:21
mgedminsilly TODO in the code that I forgot about17:21
mgedminwe should also test upgrades from earlier version17:23
th1a278 isn't actually a bug?17:24
th1aOK, so... can we take care of these by tomorrow?17:25
bskahanth1a: you can call it a bag17:25
bskahanbut it doesn't impact performance or usability, it might be a strike against 'polish'17:25
algaAny takers for 307?17:25
algaI'd like to see it in the release...17:26
algaassigning it to self17:26
th1aThanks alga.17:26
th1aSo gintas is playing the role of jinty, right?17:27
povbot/svn/commits: * mg committed revision 4338:17:27
povbot/svn/commits: Tweak the RootErrorReporting utility on startup: copy tracebacks to the log file.17:27
th1aWhew.  Thanks mgedmin.17:28
th1asrichter will be checking his code in once we branch.  I'm really happy with how the workflow approach to student promotion came out.17:29
th1aIt is cleaner than we thought it would be.17:29
srichteryeah, the WfMC stuff is very powerful17:31
algawhat's up with ReportLab and timetable PDFs?17:31
srichterI think it will be very useful at a lot of places17:31
tvonanyone object to the ST logo being like the SB logo?17:32
tvon(smaller, same font)17:32
th1aalga:  Well, I still don't even know how to turn the pdf's on.17:32
th1aWhich is not a good sign.17:33
mgedminbskahan, do you still occassionally experience 292?17:33
tvonbskahan: I have one I never committed.. schooltool logo with same font as schoolbell logo and the same size17:33
bskahanmgedmin: I closed it, haven't seen it since I got back17:33
th1aI really need to get the original logo artwork from Mark's brother.  I think he's the one who made it.17:34
* bskahan agrees17:34
mgedmin11 bugs resolved today!17:34
bskahantvon: I couldn't get the logo down to that size without making it blurry, that's the only reason its bigger iirc17:35
tvontrue, little zebra feller is a bit smudged17:35
bskahanI'd rather have it big than blurry17:36
th1aIt isn't clear to me that it should be there anyhow.17:36
gintasth1a, wrt PDF reports, hopefully we can make them completely painless for Debian/Ubuntu and Windows users17:36
* bskahan cannot get firefox calendar to install anymore17:36
th1agintas:  Let's try to do that.17:37
bskahanmac users are a little creepy anyway17:37
gintasis it acceptable to hide the logo if PIL is not available?17:37
gintasthere are just many policy decisions involved which I'm not sure about...17:37
mgedminare there any mac/windows users that would be willing to set up buildbot to run our tests on these platforms?17:37
th1aI think putting our logo on these reports is overly aggressive branding.17:38
th1aI think text is sufficient.17:39
bskahanth1a: a 'generated by Schooltool' in small font in the footer would be appropriate17:39
gintasI'll remove it then17:39
th1abskahan:  I agree.17:39
gintasOK, that shouldn't be hard17:39
bskahangintas: does that remove the PIL dependency again?17:39
th1aWe'll put it off as long as possible.17:40
bskahanits very hard to test ical when none of the ical enabled programs want to run17:40
gintasbskahan, there's also those all-day events which are not supported well now17:41
gintasin particular, I remember having troubles putting all-day events (there's an issue for that)17:41
gintasand multiple-day events aren't supported at all17:42
* bskahan nods17:42
gintasI think a good idea would be to add a functional test, which would submit recurrent events, all-day events spanning multiple days and other kinds of events, then retrieve the same calendar and check that the information is intact17:43
gintasin iCalendar format of course17:43
gintasthat would check parsing, model and presentation layers17:43
th1agintas:  That sounds like a good idea.17:44
* bskahan nods17:44
th1aWe've been officially done for a while, by the way.17:44
* th1a bangs the virtual gavel.17:44
povbot/svn/commits: * gintas committed revision 4339:17:45
povbot/svn/commits: Typo.17:45
th1aOK, I have a Zope 3 question.17:45
tvonme next17:45
th1aI'm using the Zope3 test runner, because I'm just working on a Zope3 product.17:46
th1aI decided that since I couldn't find a promising Mac game to bring with me to Vilnius I'm going to have to write one myself.17:46
th1aAnd I'm just using DocTests, mostly in standalone files.17:47
th1aWhat do I have to do to wire them into the test runner?17:47
tvonI think all of that is in the test file17:48
th1aDo I need to put them in the 'tests' directory?17:48
srichterth1a: have a module or package called tests17:48
srichterth1a: when you do doctests you can just have a file17:49
srichterone of the simplest setups is in in tests module?17:49
srichterno, just in the package17:49
th1aOK, so points to the DocTest files?17:51
th1aand what do I do with
th1aIs that an example?17:51
mgedminsimplest setup: (in the same directory where your other code is) that has a function load_suite which returns a DocTestSuite()17:53
th1aOK.  The example should pull me through.17:56
pcarduneIs there some way of adding lots of test data to schooltool?  along with the data to put in it? that you guys use for testing?17:58
pcarduneand if so, can i get a copy of the data?17:58
bskahanI'm not sure that mozilla calendar can properly support timezones for ST18:02
bskahanbecause MZ calendar doesn't know anything about timezones yet18:03
th1aThat would explain a few things.18:03
bskahanit appears to always assume (and publish) UTC18:03
bskahanstill looking into it18:03
bskahanI fixed it so that we publish events correctly though18:04
srichterth1a: fyi, I just successfully completed a students academic career via the Web UI :-)18:08
th1asrichter:  Excellent.18:09
gintaspcardune, I sent a small script to schooltool-dev some time ago which can create lots of users and events in their calendars18:11
pcardunegintas, what about courses + sections?18:12
gintasyou can probably extend that script easily if you need to18:12
pcardunegintas, thanks18:12
gintaspcardune, do you need to just create them or fill them up as well?18:12
pcardunegintas, the more data, the better18:16
gintasyou can create them by using CSV import, that wouldn't even require scripts18:19
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povbot/svn/commits: * mg committed revision 4340:18:28
povbot/svn/commits: Ressurected a couple of documents from the old twisted-based schooltool branch, The rest of the documents there are more or less obsolete and would require a review before they can be reinstated.18:28
povbot/svn/commits: * gintas committed revision 4341:18:50
povbot/svn/commits: Removed the logo from our SchoolTool PDF calendars.  This also removes the dependency on PIL.18:50
srichteris an event generated when a group is added to person?18:59
srichterbecause I need to know when someone becomes a student18:59
srichterth1a: we will also have to create two default groups: manager and student19:00
mgedminsrichter, yes19:00
srichterok, cool19:00
th1aWe will probably create more default groups than that.19:00
srichterI should have said: at least19:00
srichterof course we should do all this via interfaces eventually19:01
srichterso that we can write specific screens for those groups and the people in those groups19:01
th1aYes, that all has to be wired in.19:02
povbot/svn/commits: * bskahan committed revision 4342:19:02
povbot/svn/commits: always publish ical VEVENTS in utc with the propery syntax.19:02
povbot/svn/commits: always import iCal VEVENTS as UTC, not perfect,  but more consistent than the previous behavior based on server timezone.19:02
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bska|mobileth1a: can you test 4342 in iCal?19:08
th1aWhat am I testing for?19:09
bska|mobilesorry, that the times match you timezone preffered times from a schoolbell server19:10
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th1aiCal doesn't sync.  It just subscribes or publishes.19:12
th1aWhich should I try?19:12
bska|mobileand publish19:13
bska|mobileread from mozilla works correctly, publish throws off the dates though19:15
bska|mobilebut that appears to be mozilla's fault19:16
bska|mobileth1a: that's the issue I'm trying to close19:20
th1aOK.  I"m multi-tasking along.19:21
th1aGathering intelligence on potential partners.19:21
th1abska|mobile:  Have we ever discussed 'ical://' url's?19:27
th1aperhaps it is 'webcal://'19:30
bska|mobilewebcal:// is what evolution uses19:31
th1aShould we use that too?19:36
th1aIt probably isn't what the W3C wants, but I think it also works better with iCal.19:36
th1abska|mobile:  How hard would it be to make ZPT do a webcal URL?19:38
mgedminplease don't19:39
mgedminwebcal:// is a bad replacement for proper mime types19:40
mgedminplus it implies http:// rather than https://19:40
povbot/svn/commits: * gintas committed revision 4343:19:40
povbot/svn/commits: Added a missing i18n:translate.19:40
povbot/svn/commits: * mg committed revision 4344:19:42
povbot/svn/commits: Oops19:42
povbot/svn/commits: * mg committed revision 4345:19:43
povbot/svn/commits: That's that should have been here.19:43
povbot/svn/commits: * gintas committed revision 4346:19:43
povbot/svn/commits: Fixed a test that wouldn't clean up after itself.19:43
gintasbska|mobile, I finally found and fixed the cause of that broken functional test, it was another unit test that was not cleaning up after itself19:44
th1amgedmin:  I'm philosophically against it, too.19:46
th1aBut it would be practically helpful.19:46
th1aIn other news, I think a rat died under our back porch.19:47
th1aIt is nasty.19:47
bska|mobilegintas: nice, that's a pain to track down19:47
bska|mobileth1a: I'm not sure about creating webcal:// links in the menu19:48
th1aOK.  I'll shut up about it.19:48
th1aWell, that worked quite well.19:50
th1aPublish a calendar to schooltool from iCal...19:51
th1aNow I get "TypeError: can't compare datetime.datetime to"19:51
th1aWhen I try to view the calendar.19:51
th1aThe traceback is at issue 318.19:53
povbot/svn/commits: * gintas committed revision 4347:19:54
povbot/svn/commits: Commented out a test that fails on Windows, applied some cosmetic changes.19:54
povbot/svn/commits: * alga committed revision 4348:19:54
povbot/svn/commits: Restore the manager user with -r or --restore-manager.19:54
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th1aAre there bookstores with books in English in Vilnius?20:05
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th1aThat's good.  I wouldn't want to have to pack a month's worth of reading.20:08
mgedminthe selection is not very big20:09
povbot/svn/commits: * gintas committed revision 4349:20:14
povbot/svn/commits: Added a workaround so that PDF calendars can be tested functionally.20:14
povbot/svn/commits: * gintas committed revision 4350:20:17
povbot/svn/commits: Fixed typo: occured -> occurred.20:17
povbot/svn/commits: * gintas committed revision 4351:20:17
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mgedminhmm, why doesn't buildbot complain about broken tests?20:34
povbot/svn/commits: * alga committed revision 4352:20:37
povbot/svn/commits: Fixed a schooltool test that schoolbell broke.20:37
mgedminpovbuildbot, status all20:40
povbot/svn/commits: * gintas committed revision 4353:20:45
povbot/svn/commits: Reverted revision 4350 for now.20:45
povbot/svn/commits: * gintas committed revision 4354:20:46
povbot/svn/commits: Reverted revision 4351 for now.20:46
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povbot/svn/commits: * mg committed revision 4355:21:11
povbot/svn/commits: Added custom error views for the SchoolBell skin.21:11
povbot/svn/commits: Fixed the ZCML registration of the RESTive system error view that used to override browser views when it shouldn't have.21:11
povbot/svn/commits: Made sure internal error views (both browser and REST) provide ISystemErrorView and therefore cause tracebacks to be stored in the log file.21:11
povbot/svn/commits: Now tracebacks are printed twice, if "copy_to_zlog" is set in the error logging utility, and it is always set because of my startup hack in schoolbell.main.  I will revert that hack in the next checkin.21:11
povbot/svn/commits: * alga committed revision 4356:21:15
povbot/svn/commits: Removed the path to create rotating, weekday based timetable schemas from the wizard.  This fixes issue313.  I have a gut feeling we will want to revert this commit at some point.21:15
mgedminpovbuildbot: status all21:17
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povbot/svn/commits: * mg committed revision 4357:21:17
povbot/svn/commits: Reverted the hack introduced in rev 4338.  There is no more mucking about with persistent error reporting utilities on server startup, as error tracebacks are now printed the proper way.21:17
povbot/svn/commits: If you see double tracebacks, just go to ++etc++site, find the error reporting utility, go to its configure.html view and uncheck the "copy to log" checkbox.21:17
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povbuildbotHey! build pov-schooltool #30 is complete: Success [build successful]21:19
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povbot/svn/commits: * alga committed revision 4358:21:30
povbot/svn/commits: Updated graphs for the change in r4356.21:30
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mgedminpovbuildbot: watch pov-schooltool21:36
povbuildbotwatching build pov-schooltool #33 until it finishes [3m56s]..21:36
povbot/svn/commits: * mg committed revision 4359:21:37
povbot/svn/commits: Ressurected the old colourful tracebacks from SchoolTool 0.8.21:37
povbot/svn/commits: The main advantage of this change is that when you make a mistake in a page template, you will now see the page template filename and line number, and also the TALES expression in the traceback, instead of a bunch of incomprehensible internal TALES method calls you'd get from standard Python tracebacks.21:37
mgedminyou get interesting browser caching effects when you run schooltool and schoolbell in turns on the same port21:39
mgedminwhy does every SchoolTool page say "SchoolBell: <page title>" in the title bar?21:39
povbuildbotHey! build pov-schooltool #33 is complete: Success [build successful]21:41
mgedmin"SchoolBell Server Running SchoolTool SVN" in the footer?21:41
mgedminwhat am I doing wrong?21:41
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mgedminok, apparently buildbot won't complain about build failures on IRC if nobody specifically asks each time22:05
mgedminbut now it should at least send mails22:05
povbot/svn/commits: * alga committed revision 4360:22:09
povbot/svn/commits: Made the location be displayed on the event box.22:09
povbot/svn/commits: * alga committed revision 4361:22:09
povbot/svn/commits: Made the location be displayed on the dayly view.22:09
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srichterwhat is the best way to test rest commands?23:54
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