IRC log of #schooltool for Tuesday, 2005-07-19

th1aImport/export wouldn't be hard but more complex web service goodness would be interesting to experiment with.00:21
th1aI have to go get some food for dinner.  My parents are here so I'm a little distracted.00:21
jintyno worries00:22
th1aWe'll worry about Germany later.00:22
jintythere is also a set of requirements for New Zealand school admin system (from the government). In case you didn't know00:23
jintyth1a: Use case for pre-built ubuntu debs on schooltool website:01:56
jinty1 User tries to install ubuntu debs on debian using dpkg -i (Double click??)01:57
jinty2 User needs strange command line incantations to get his system back to a sane state...01:58
jinty3 jinty gets flamed01:58
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th1ajinty:  Is that the case for not having pre-built debs?03:24
jagordonth1a: did you say you had a fix to my libxml2 issue on tiger?04:24
th1aYeah.  The fix is to install the libxml2 Python bindings :-)04:25
th1aI'll walk you through it.04:25
th1aOne moment...04:26
th1aGrab this:
th1aUngzip and untar it.04:27
th1aOops.  I was off ranting at my parents.04:36
th1aGlad you weren't waiting for me.04:37
th1aAre you competent on the command line?  If I say 'cd' do you know what I mean?04:37
jagordonsemi competent :)04:38
jagordoni've installed plenty of stuff before04:39
jagordoncompetent but not confident04:39
th1aJust checking.04:39
th1acd into the directory you just untarred.04:39
th1aThere should be a python directory, I think.  cd into that.04:41
th1a'python install'04:44
jagordoni think it's still working, but this is one of the messages: "/System/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.3/lib/python2.3/ DeprecationWarning: The xmllib module is obsolete.  Use xml.sax instead.04:46
jagordon  warnings.warn("The xmllib module is obsolete.  Use xml.sax instead.", DeprecationWarning)"04:46
jagordondoes that matter?04:46
th1aIt is just a warning.04:46
th1aCivilians can ignore warnings.04:46
th1aThat should do it.04:46
th1aDoes SchoolTool start now?04:47
jagordonso i should use the regular schoolbell tar, and not the mac package?04:47
th1aTry the regular tarball and let me know if the term problem is still there.04:48
jagordoni'll try the make test04:48
th1aRight.  That'll work.04:48
th1aI'm going to spend more time ironing out bugs in the Mac package when we do our next release candidate next week.  I got a lesson in Mac packaging.04:49
jagordoncool, thanks04:52
jagordondo you have a lot of people using it on the mac?04:52
jagordonwe're a private school in china, looking for a scheduling solution04:53
th1aProbably more people testing it on their Mac than ultimately deploying it on a Mac server.04:53
th1aWould you deploy it on a Mac?04:53
jagordoni'm just testing it on a mac... if we ended up deploying it than we wouldn't be mac04:53
jagordonexactly... i guess we're in the same situaiton04:53
jagordonwow, spelling trouble04:53
th1aWhat we really need is people to adopt the Mac and Windows versions as their own little jobs.04:55
th1aI do them, but I don't really know what I'm doing.04:55
th1aWe need some maintainers that actually have to count on them working for themselves.04:56
jagordonwell, you know enough that it's working now on my mac04:56
th1aWell, I'm typing this on a Mac, actually...04:56
jagordonand i can create a term, which was the problem before04:56
jagordonthanks so much for the help04:57
jagordoni'm off to the office04:58
th1aOK.  That's good to know.  Thanks.04:58
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erchachejinty: on your .deb mail only need to put on big erchache with love! :D10:47
jintyit helped?10:48
erchachewell im on home...i wake up now10:48
erchachethis afternoon i try10:48
erchachei power off server.....i need to sleep you know.... ;D10:48
jintyanyway good luck with it10:49
erchachebut i think a list of all packages needed are welcome to install a server from scratch10:49
jintywhy can't you just use apt?10:50
erchachewell if .deb arent update.....if i have a list of all needed packages are a good point to start to install from scratch....2 ways instead one....more secure and flexible10:56
erchacheand can use it for other distributions like fedora10:56
erchacheor slackware10:56
erchachewhere havent apt10:57
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povbot/svn/commits: * gintas committed revision 4198:13:26
povbot/svn/commits: Overlaid events are now included in the PDF report.13:26
povbot/svn/commits: Fixed a dead-stupid bug in dayEvents test too.13:26
povbot/svn/commits: * gintas committed revision 4199:13:56
povbot/svn/commits: Indicate overlaid events.13:56
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povbot/svn/commits: * gintas committed revision 4200:14:30
povbot/svn/commits: Improved timetabling functional test a little bit.14:30
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povbot/svn/commits: * mg committed revision 4201:14:48
povbot/svn/commits: Renamed TimetableSchemaWizard to AdvancedTimetableSchemaAdd.14:48
povbot/svn/commits: * mg committed revision 4202:15:18
povbot/svn/commits: Renamed the page template as well.15:18
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povbot/svn/commits: * gintas committed revision 4203:16:02
povbot/svn/commits: Fixed some problems with PDF reports: - recurrent events are now expanded - dupes from overlaid calendars of booked resources are discarded16:02
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erchachejinty: are avalaible lastest .deb you make to repositorie? includes translations?16:11
mgedminwoohoo, subversion 1.2.0 (from breezy) has --ignore-externals16:14
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defaulthello all16:20
defaultsomeone could help me to set-up schooltool for evaluation ?16:20
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skaithsomeone on or just bot ?16:22
mgedminhi, skaith16:22
skaithhi mgedmin16:23
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skaithdo you know where I could find sime help to install schooltool  ?16:23
skaithI'm just beginning in Py and I need to evaluate the product functionalities16:24
mgedminwell, what operating system do you use?16:25
erchachehi too16:25
skaithunbuntu hoary16:25
erchachejoin the club!16:25
skaithpython 2.1 and 2.4 on16:25
erchacheneed python 2.316:25
skaithhi erchache16:25
erchachebut jinty....i think he created new .deb for apt-get16:26
erchachetry to use before apt-get install schooltool/schoolbell16:26
skaithumh interesting ;-) i test16:26
erchacheand after....try to compile by yourself16:26
erchacheim triying to install on my server and many addons packages needed16:26
skaithyeah viewed by apt-cache16:26
skaithneed i schoolbell too ?16:27
erchacheinstall from it and say me what version16:27
erchacheschoolbell is only calendar16:27
erchacheschooltool is a environment to manage a school16:27
erchacheyou can test both16:27
erchachein differents ports16:27
mgedminskaith, hoary has schooltool 0.9 in universe16:28
mgedminschooltool 0.10 is in breezy16:28
skaithI need to find a soft to manage a school :-) schooltool then16:28
skaithis breezy in test ? last time a test an upgrade it was a dev version with x11 problems16:29
erchachemgedmin....i was triying to pass from hoary to breezy and all system crashed on my intel laptop....16:29
erchacheactual .deb for schoolbell has translations includes?16:29
erchachei need to know that16:29
skaithsame problem one month ago erchache the E4010 graphic chipset was not supported :-)16:30
erchachemy problem is too big than this....crash....all system....not x11 only :P16:30
skaithok on my laptop16:30
skaithi need to got back to the setup guide now.16:30
skaithit seem si need to setup a db16:31
erchachebut crashed my nic....and cant recover nothing16:31
erchacheactual .deb for schoolbell has translations includes?16:31
skaithok thanks i stay in in case :-)16:32
skaith2.1 Mb to read ...16:33
skaithis the planned production date still 2005 - 2006 school year ?16:34
th1aWell, for the calendaring it is.16:35
th1aRunning SchoolTool from the tarball on Hoary shouldn't be a big deal...16:36
skaithis there an admin guide on the .org site ?16:36
th1aThere are some guides to get you started.16:36
erchacheth1a: i take your advice....make test....say module libxml2 doesnt exists16:37
skaithwell the make build interface crash on a sub-folder not present on my 2.4 dir16:37
th1aNothing comprehensive yet.16:37
erchacheheheheh im too16:37
th1aerchache:  Do you have Python 2.3 and 2.4 both installed?16:38
skaiththe make look on  /usr/lib/python2.4/config/Makefile16:38
skaithno just 2.1 and 2.416:38
skaithI changed th .py parameter to use 2.416:39
skaithno admin guide them ? how to build the db to start working ?16:39
th1aYou're running 'make' from the root schooltool directory?16:39
skaithmake build16:40
th1askaith:  You should just be able to say "python" and be off to the races.  SchoolTool uses the ZODB.16:40
erchacheth1a: yes16:42
skaithth1a: i need to install zodb then :-)16:42
th1aDid you install libxml2 for 2.4 and SchoolTool is running 2.3?16:43
th1askaith:  Zope 3 and zodb is included in the package.16:43
erchachefor both....16:43
skaithwell i write: schooltool and it give me back could not initialize the database Error 11 resource temporaily unavilable16:44
th1askaith:  That makes no sense to me.16:45
skaithth1a: nor for me :-)16:45
th1aWhat do you mean "i write: schooltool"16:47
skaithtype in konsole "schooltool"16:48
skaithth1a i used the apt-get for information not the make16:49
skaithth1a speak french ?16:50
skaithth1a do you speak french : ah sound like french16:50
th1aSo... I think you changed too much in the Makefile.16:51
skaithwell i just do the apt-get and don't touch the makefile16:51
th1aSee if that works.16:51
skaithnot working16:52
skaithit is my current configuration16:52
skaithis there a .py script i can start directy other the schooltool16:53
skaithok i remove the .deb package ans restart from ter16:54
erchacheuhmmm...running from tar16:56
erchachetoo slow :S16:57
erchacheth1a: my system is operative schoolbell 1.1.117:00
erchachebut i need spanish17:00
erchachemake build-translations?17:00
th1aThat sounds right.17:00 apt-get install apache-ssl smell worse a dead dog17:01
erchachenow i want to get translation17:02
erchachemake build-translation is good?17:02
skaithget back python2.3 too in case17:03
erchacheim going to do it but before im going to stop service17:03
skaithok schooltool db running17:04
skaithhave schooltool-client too17:04
skaithhow to have the gui ?17:04
erchachepor fin schoolbell en español!17:06
skaithis konqueror supported as browser17:06
mgedminwow, much text17:07
erchachehehehehehe mi translation is bad but...RUNS!17:07
mgedminerchache, breezy is not stable right now, so upgrading the whole system is not a good idea17:08
skaithserver up but not gui17:08
jintyerchache: the latest .debs should include your translations.17:08
erchacheyea i know17:08
mgedminhowever you can install only a few packages from breezy17:08
th1askaith:  There is no gui!17:08
* jinty continues reading his logs17:08
mgedminif you're careful, that shouldn't break anything17:08
erchachejinty: where are located i18n files to change it manually?17:08
skaithsorry browser :-)17:08
th1aPort 7080?17:08
skaithlocalhost:7080 ip:7080 no one 40417:09
skaithsorry 10061 connection refused17:09
erchachedo you have firewall?17:10
* jinty is confused about what erchache wants to change17:10
skaithyes just disabled17:10
erchachefor bienvenido... you know!17:10
skaithon local firewall off but still have a company forewall17:10
erchachees que da mala impresion17:10
erchachese me trabucaron los dedos :D17:11
erchacheand in the first....Bienvendio17:11
erchacheinstead Bienvenido17:12
erchachehow i can change it manually?17:12
skaithsame prblem with you ip: 1006117:12
skaithMy company firewall must block me17:12
erchachetry with your real ip17:12
jintyok, then you have to edit the schooltool.po file or the schoolbell.po file17:12
erchachejinty: thanks!17:12
erchachebut with server up or down? down no17:13
skaith11001 host not found17:13
jinty@ src/schoolbell/app/locales/es_ES/LC_MESSAGES/schoolbell.po17:14
skaithi remove the proxy call then send me back to my pc and not it is ok17:14
jintythen do the 'make update-translations' dance to update the *.mo files17:14
skaithsome special super guest login ?17:15
erchachebut i need to revise my translations better.....i do translation too fast to get the fastest test environment to show them to my boss17:17
skaithis there a possibility to have access to other modules than calendar ?17:17
th1aGive me five minutes...17:20
skaithok thanks17:21
jintyerchache: seriously, if you want to install the breezy schoolbell on hoary without upgrading Xwindows, learn apt pinning. Mucking around with tarballs is just extra work.17:22
skaithwell the 0.9 version may be the cause go back on tar for 0.1017:22
erchachejinty: dont worry....upgrading to breezy can wait17:23
jintywhy don't you just install the 0.10 package, without a full upgrade to breezy???17:24
skaithinstered too jinty have you them ?17:24
jintythey are available from the ubuntu archive17:25
erchacheahhh you are refering to schooltool17:25
jintyor 1.1.1 for schoolbell17:26
th1askaith:  Calendaring is all that is done so far.17:26
povbot/svn/commits: * alga committed revision 4204:17:27
povbot/svn/commits: Error handling in Emergency Day view.17:27
erchachei installed from source schoolbell 1.1.1 on
skaithth1a : the admin guide part 1 show mutch ;-) ?17:28
erchacheand all translation looks good except this little "big" fail17:28
erchachejinty: do you want install schooltool 0.1 on my system?17:28
erchachei can do it on port 7090 for example17:29
erchacheim waiting for your reply to do it....17:29
* jinty doesn't want to break things17:30
jintyon erchache's server17:30
th1ajinty is prudent.17:31
* jinty checks if erchache has already changed the default password;)17:32
erchachei change it....of course17:34
erchacheim euforic but not too17:34
erchachejinty....i can do all i want with server....17:34
erchacheif you want for testing purposes i can install it without problem17:35
jintyI have no real need for it17:35
erchachei dont pay it but this server IS treasure17:35
erchachewell i have a good point to start to test it.....i will send all fails and requests.....17:36
erchachenow i want to install apache-ssl and pass schoolbell for get secure server....17:36
jintyThere is not much that I cannot do on my laptop.17:37
erchachei was talking about stress test17:37
erchachei can pass ab to it17:37
erchachexeon 2.8 gh ht and 2 gb ram and 180 gb scsi superpepino17:38
jintyerchache: you could also use pound instead of apache-ssl17:38
jintynice machine:)17:38
erchachebut without ssl17:38
erchachewith ssl i can stop many many weird bots and similar things17:38
erchacheand has more good looking to use for my boss17:38
jintypound does ssl17:39
skaitheuh...schooltool depend on libschooltool which depend on libschoolbell which depend on libc6...which is the heart of linux...and then breezy....installing 0.10 from breezy on hoary by package for a breezy  upgare...17:39
skaithsomeone to discuss on the functioanlities available on the tool ?17:39
erchacheO_o what is pound? a zope package to do ssl tunels?17:40
erchacheuhmm i never hear this....17:41
erchachelooks good17:41
erchachea substitute from apache no?17:41
erchachebut i need apache to my wiki....17:41
erchachethis is second installation install my wiki on these machine17:42
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jintyok, only an idea...17:42
th1askaith:  You can't get the source tarball running?17:42
erchachethanks for information17:43
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skaithnot possible the make command give me : invalid python installation : unable to open /usr/lib/python2.3/config/Makefile (No such file or directory)17:45
* jinty apt-get install python2.3-dev17:45
erchachehheheheheheh i install reason 3 on my pb17:46
th1aOh, damn, I should have known that.17:46
skaiththanks jinty make running now17:46
erchachehuhuhuhuh this night i make the chimobayo17:46
erchachewith my new midi usb keyb17:46
th1ajinty:  Where are you, anyhow?17:46
jintyin helsinki at a friends place17:46
jintygot a few down hours17:47
erchachejinty: arent you now on barcelona?17:47
erchacheare on holidays?17:47
th1aI was just showing my parents some of the video of Mark's talk at debconf.17:47
skaithblock now on src/ZODB/winlock.c17:47
jintyerchache: sort of, I went to hesinki for debconf17:47
th1askaith:  Did you get 'make' to work?17:48
th1aOr is that what's giving you the error?17:48
* jinty thinks th1a should see the impromptu singing session;)17:48
skaithth1a: the make look to compile ZODB sources which are not in the archive17:48
th1aYou're running make from the schooltool directory?17:49
skaithyes on the root level where is17:49
jintyskaith: can you paste the error and the command you typed?17:49
th1ajinty:  I need a video of the singing.17:49
erchacheand i working at 45º C17:49
erchachemy tooth are skripping ground17:50
* th1a is beginning to think erchache is a malfunctioning chatbot.17:52
skaithhere :17:53
skaithpython2.3 build_ext -i17:53
skaithrunning build_ext17:53
skaithcd Zope3 && python2.3 build_ext -i17:53
skaithrunning build_ext17:53
skaithbuilding 'ZODB.winlock' extension17:53
skaithgcc -pthread -fno-strict-aliasing -DNDEBUG -g -O3 -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -fPIC -I/usr/include/python2.3 -c src/ZODB/winlock.c -o build/temp.linux-i686-2.3/src/ZODB/winloc17:53
skaithat the end17:53
skaithsrc/ZODB/winlock.c : no such file or directory17:54
jintyth1a: the video has misteriosly dissapeared from the net...17:55
erchacheth1a: my englisht is like a american indian17:55
th1a'arrrggghhh' and 'yaugh' are universal, though.17:56
erchachefor this i use it ;P17:56
th1a'my tooth are skripping ground' sounds like T.S. Elliot or something.  Jabberwocky.17:57
skaiththe src/zodb is in zope317:58
th1askaith:  Yes.17:58
th1aOh... do you need to change the Makefile in Zope3?17:59
th1aFor Python 2.4?17:59
th1aI can't remember which Python you're using.17:59
th1aIs the winlock.c file actually there?17:59
erchachereason sound really really good18:00
erchacheyup yup yupppp18:00
jintyskaith: I have just downloaded and built schooltool-10.tar.gz. no missing winlock.c here18:00
skaitharg....i restart all18:01
mgedminhmm, winlock should only be used on Windows18:02
mgedminwhy is it trying to build that one, I wonder18:02
povbot/svn/commits: * mg committed revision 4205:18:04
povbot/svn/commits: Working on the new timetable schema wizard.  Currently only steps 1 (entering the title) and 14 (actually creating the schema) are implemented, and all other data is hardcoded.18:04
skaithmake pass18:05
erchachemy system is stable now18:05
erchachetrying to configure apache-ssl18:06
erchacheand makes redirection via apache18:06
th1aThere's stuff on the online Zope3 book about that.18:06
jintyalso in the README18:07
skaithjitny th1a ok working18:08
skaithsome default users ans passwords ?18:08
jintymanager - schooltool18:09
jintyuname - pwd18:09
* th1a notes that we'll need specific instructions for getting schooltool 0.11 running on hoary.18:09
* jinty sighs18:10
skaithuname - pwd does not work manager is ok18:11
th1ajinty meant the first one was the uname and the second one was the pwd.18:12
skaithok thanks i will do some test on and come back later.18:12
skaithth1a ok18:12
th1aOK :-)18:12
skaithI have here specification of functionalities and i will check on schooltool against :-)18:12
skaithThanks all for your help18:12
th1aLet us know how it comes out.18:12
skaithsorry i would like to say : sure (not ok)18:13
skaithsee ya all18:13
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jintyth1a: search for singing18:14
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povbot/svn/commits: * mg committed revision 4206:18:38
povbot/svn/commits: Unified two versions of setUpSessions.18:38
povbot/svn/commits: * alga committed revision 4207:18:47
povbot/svn/commits: Added a registration for Emergency Days view, Added a functional test Fixed a couple of minor bugs.18:47
povbot/svn/commits: * jinty committed revision 4208:18:48
povbot/svn/commits: Remove recommends on python-tcpwrap, it became useless when schooltool moved to Zope 3.18:48
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povbot/svn/commits: * alga committed revision 4209:18:57
povbot/svn/commits: Changed the menu item 'School Timetable' to 'School Timetables', as there are many timetable schemas.18:57
povbot/svn/commits: * mg committed revision 4210:18:58
povbot/svn/commits: Refactored the two wizard steps into separate classes.  Started using sessions for data storage.  Currently the workflow is hardcoded in TimetableSchemaWizard.__call__.18:58
povbot/svn/commits: * gintas committed revision 4211:19:00
povbot/svn/commits: Commented out a failing functional test until I find out why it fails.19:00
povbot/svn/commits: * gintas committed revision 4212:19:01
povbot/svn/commits: Some tweaks for PDF support in SchoolTool.19:01
tvonmgedmin: Is there a decent way to debug permissions errors?19:15
tvonin schooltool-server19:15
mgedminmaybe ZOPE_WATCH_CHECKERS?19:17
tvonThat does not seem to add any output19:19
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mgedminZOPE_WATCH_CHECKERS=2 python schooltool-server.py19:26
mgedminhas no extra output?19:26
tvonah, there we go19:28
povbot/svn/commits: * mg committed revision 4213:19:29
povbot/svn/commits: Wizard steps may not always succeed -- added the API to retry them.19:29
tvonThere is indeed extra output (I had set it to 1), though not where I need it19:29
tvonI'm being redirected to a login page and I'm not sure why19:29
mgedmin1 only shows failures19:34
mgedmin2 shows successes too19:34
mgedminbut only if a checker is invoked19:35
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povbot/svn/commits: * mg committed revision 4214:20:13
povbot/svn/commits: Added a new step, but didn't hook it up yet.20:13
povbot/svn/commits: * mg committed revision 4215:20:13
povbot/svn/commits: Oops.20:13
povbot/svn/commits: * mg committed revision 4216:20:16
povbot/svn/commits: Fix failing ftest.20:16
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tvonah, RootErrorReportingUtility/@@configure.html works20:24
mgedminit should be configured by default20:27
tvonyeah but it ignores unauthorized by default20:27
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th1aWe need to make that error reporting more accessible.  A link that shows up to that page for managers would be nice.21:14
tvonwhy on earth is my user showing up in the error log as "unauthenticated, sb.person.manager, SchoolTool Manager,"21:18
povbot/svn/commits: * alga committed revision 4217:21:37
povbot/svn/commits: Moved timetabling into a separate package -- schooltool.timetable.21:37
povbot/svn/commits: * mg committed revision 4218:21:50
povbot/svn/commits: Switched from hardcoded sequence of (two) steps to dynamic transitions via the method.21:50
povbot/svn/commits: * mg committed revision 4219:21:51
povbot/svn/commits: Reordered some methods.21:51
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povbot/svn/commits: * mg committed revision 4220:21:56
povbot/svn/commits: Pay attention to the user's choice of timetable cycle.21:56
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povbot/svn/commits: * alga committed revision 4221:22:01
povbot/svn/commits: Moved the timetable models into a separate module.22:01
povbot/svn/commits: * mg committed revision 4222:22:05
povbot/svn/commits: Added Cancel buttons to the new timetable schema wizard.22:05
* mgedmin wrote a short wrapper for /usr/bin/svn that adds --ignore-externals when the command is svn up or svn status22:07
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tvongood call22:12
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povbot/svn/commits: * alga committed revision 4223:22:38
povbot/svn/commits: Whoops. Moved wrong file.22:39
povbot/svn/commits: * alga committed revision 4224:22:44
povbot/svn/commits: Trivial file rename22:44
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tvonallright, if anyone has a few minutes I could use a hand tracking down this auth error I'm getting22:52
tvonpatch from r4217 is here:
tvontraceback I'm getting is here:22:54
tvonit works fine in schoolbell...22:55
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