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| th1a | How can I redirect the output (the errors) from 'python test.py' to a file? | 02:03 |
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| ignas | 2> | 02:07 |
| th1a | >> | 02:07 |
| ignas | ./test.py 2> boo.txt | 02:07 |
| th1a | 2> | 02:07 |
| ignas | >> will do it only with stdo iirc | 02:07 |
| ignas | 2> will redirect stderr | 02:07 |
| th1a | Yeah, that's what I tried first. | 02:08 |
| th1a | You wouldn't believe how long that takes running on Virtual PC on my Mac. | 02:08 |
| th1a | I may have to break down and buy a Windows box for testing | 02:08 |
| th1a | and, um, games. | 02:08 |
| ignas | :) | 02:09 |
| ignas | well dualboot for em | 02:09 |
| ignas | me | 02:09 |
| ignas | it cut's the hard drive inhalf | 02:09 |
| ignas | yet i can live with that | 02:09 |
| th1a | I don't like to turn my Linux box off, although it isn't really doing any server duties anymore. | 02:10 |
| * ignas too :) having 30 days of uptime was 1337 :) | 02:11 | |
| th1a | 89 days, mofo. | 02:12 |
| ignas | i could own you on all dooms and wuakes :P | 02:13 |
| ignas | s/wua/qua | 02:13 |
| ignas | :) | 02:13 |
| ignas | ^ uptime killers though ;) | 02:13 |
| ignas | games in general | 02:13 |
| th1a | Yes. | 02:14 |
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| * bskahan casts daily curse on "Could not adapt" | 05:51 | |
| th1a | That's what did in the dinosaurs. | 05:51 |
| bskahan | ouch | 05:51 |
| tvon|desk | argh | 06:46 |
| tvon|desk | aha | 06:49 |
| th1a | ! | 06:49 |
| tvon|desk | indeed | 06:49 |
| tvon|desk | permissions in z3 are confusing the hell outta me | 06:50 |
| th1a | What about them? | 06:50 |
| tvon|desk | actually I think marius' one liner addition to notes solves my problem | 06:50 |
| tvon|desk | I think I just expect too much from setting a few things in zcml... when the problem is elsewhere | 06:51 |
| th1a | Hm. I was suspecting that in general it would be harder to get used to using zcml. | 06:52 |
| tvon|desk | indeed | 06:53 |
| tvon|desk | and adapters I suppose, I think I have a handle on those now though | 06:53 |
| th1a | They're pretty abstract. | 06:53 |
| th1a | It's all about adapters, though. | 06:54 |
| tvon|desk | it is. They're pretty nifty I think | 06:54 |
| bskahan | I just wish the adapter related errors were more informative | 06:54 |
| tvon|desk | yeah, that would help | 06:54 |
| th1a | "Your eggs were just eaten by a vole." | 06:55 |
| bskahan | Its dark | 06:55 |
| bskahan | Its dark | 06:55 |
| bskahan | You've been eaten by a Grue | 06:55 |
| tvon|desk | haha | 06:55 |
| th1a | Cold. | 06:55 |
| th1a | Moving very slowly now. | 06:55 |
| bskahan | heh | 06:55 |
| bskahan | do you have a windows box with outlook? | 06:56 |
| th1a | Hm... I do not. | 06:56 |
| * bskahan nods | 06:56 | |
| th1a | I wasn't expecting much from my Virtual PC setup performance-wise, but I thought it would be good enough for testing. | 06:57 |
| bskahan | when you hit up the gate's foundation for additional funding, windows testing boxes would be good ;) | 06:57 |
| th1a | But it's not really cutting it. | 06:57 |
| bskahan | so we can say it's at least tested in IE | 06:57 |
| tvon|desk | I've always wanted to try....erm... that Novell thing | 06:57 |
| bskahan | wine is usually good enough for testing IE rendering | 06:57 |
| bskahan | tvon|desk: ? | 06:58 |
| tvon|desk | netware? | 06:58 |
| tvon|desk | virtual pc thing, system-inside-a-system thing | 06:58 |
| bskahan | th1a: did you ever get a chance to create a Wiki page for dynamic UI suggestions? | 06:59 |
| bskahan | if not, maybe during 'website week'? | 06:59 |
| th1a | I did put a link on the SchoolBell page. Is that what you had in mind? | 06:59 |
| bskahan | which page? | 07:00 |
| th1a | http://schooltool.org/schoolbell | 07:00 |
| bskahan | ah | 07:00 |
| bskahan | perfect | 07:00 |
| bskahan | thanks | 07:00 |
| bskahan | I think of complex JS hacks that would be cool as I'm working, but they're never the sort of "implement this now" things | 07:01 |
| bskahan | th1a: when is emerging-Tech? | 07:08 |
| bskahan | Currently Mailman3 uses Twisted, ZPT, ZConfig, and a few other Zope3 components such as interfaces, pagetemplates, tal, and tales. Some of these are fairly old and could use updating (e.g. Twisted is still at 1.0.5). The rest of the code is new, taking a cue from Mailman 2.1 but with updates to take advantage of Python 2.3 features. | 07:17 |
| th1a | Next week. | 07:17 |
| tvon | Marius should write a little doc on creating stand-alone z3 apps | 07:17 |
| tvon | would be good for the community | 07:18 |
| tvon | A lot of hesitation goes into "wait, this is a zope app, I have to setup *zope*" | 07:18 |
| th1a | Marius should split off a clone that only writes docs. | 07:18 |
| tvon | ooh, a Marius army of coding soldiers | 07:18 |
| th1a | Wait 'til you meet Marius. | 07:19 |
| tvon | hehe | 07:19 |
| tvon | I should commit these ftests first so he doesnt just hit me | 07:20 |
| th1a | He's much less intimidating in real life. | 07:20 |
| tvon|desk | hehe | 07:20 |
| th1a | Although watching him read over checkins is kind of scary. | 07:20 |
| bskahan | rofl | 07:20 |
| th1a | That's when I started to understand Marius. | 07:20 |
| th1a | To whatever extent that I do. | 07:21 |
| tvon|desk | ftests are straight up lying to me | 07:26 |
| tvon|desk | oh, no theyre not | 07:26 |
| bskahan | don't believe what the voices tell you | 07:28 |
| * tvon|desk ignores what the voices say to say to bskahan | 07:28 | |
| tvon|desk | *eg* | 07:28 |
| tvon|desk | yay, ftests done | 07:33 |
| tvon|desk | for what we can do with notes at the moment anyways | 07:33 |
| tvon|desk | I would like some ACL on them, though dumbed down, eg "everyone, my groups, just me" can see this... | 07:34 |
| * th1a exits his bubble bath. | 07:43 | |
| th1a | tvon|desk: +1 | 07:43 |
| tvon|desk | col | 07:44 |
| tvon|desk | er, cool | 07:44 |
| * th1a smells like flowers. | 07:47 | |
| tvon|desk | haha | 07:48 |
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| th1a | jinty: are we supposed to be doing something in particular to get into Hoary Universe? | 17:44 |
| th1a | I mean, can we get RC2 in there? | 17:45 |
| th1a | jinty: ping | 17:52 |
| alga | jinty: ping | 17:58 |
| alga | jinty: probably I'm doing a wrong thing when I mark issues as 'done' after commiting the fix to trunk? | 17:59 |
| alga | should I set status to testing? | 17:59 |
| mgedmin | alga, I suggested in my email to set status to testing and assign the issues to jinty | 18:02 |
| ignas | alga, imho yup you should mar kas testing unless you filed the bug | 18:02 |
| mgedmin | but I think he reads emails and perhaps he will notice your fixes anyway... | 18:02 |
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| jinty | PONG | 18:11 |
| jinty | sometime I read mail, but I am ignoring all back-port requests without the SchoolBell 1.0 topic in roundup | 18:13 |
| jinty | th1a: RC2 is a bad idea, because there is a bad bug in the schoolbell.config db upgrade stuff | 18:14 |
| bskahan | jinty: which bug? | 18:14 |
| th1a | There are also the acl bugs alga's been working on, right? | 18:15 |
| jinty | yes | 18:15 |
| th1a | alga: what's the status of the bugs you've been working on? | 18:16 |
| jinty | bskahan: not reported, but the effect: Ask the user if he wants to upgrade his database, if he says no, do it anyway | 18:16 |
| bskahan | ah | 18:16 |
| bskahan | heh | 18:16 |
| th1a | alga: oh, do I have an email from the issue tracker about the bug... | 18:17 |
| jinty | alga: I would appreciate issues with the SchoolBell 1.0 topic not to be marked resolved until the fix is in 1.0 or I have decided not to back port and changed the topic to SchoolBell | 18:18 |
| bskahan | related to issue172, do we want a community calendar as the frontpage for Anon users? | 18:20 |
| bskahan | ala sb 0.9 | 18:20 |
| th1a | Ideally. | 18:22 |
| th1a | jinty: did you see the email from Mark? I'm not sure what to tell him. | 18:22 |
| mgedmin | that means someone must change the bootstrap code to create a 'community' group in an empty schoolbell app | 18:22 |
| th1a | I don't think we should push that into 1.0. | 18:23 |
| mgedmin | ah, ok | 18:23 |
| mgedmin | then it's simpler | 18:23 |
| bskahan | mgedmin: I have a patch for that from a few days ago | 18:23 |
| mgedmin | no upgrade issues for 1.0rc2 -> 1.0 final | 18:23 |
| bskahan | should the community group work the way it did is SB 0.9, where every[one,thing] is a member? | 18:24 |
| bskahan | (me tends not to think so) | 18:24 |
| * jinty tries to check his mail | 18:26 | |
| bskahan | since community calendar is public facing, bootstrap code could create the group and add the manager to it, then if the manager wants to delegate updating the public calendar he/she can add someone else and give them access | 18:26 |
| * jinty does not know what th1a is talking about (mail from Mark?) | 18:28 | |
| th1a | Here's the pertinent line: Are we not on track for 1.0 before Hoary any longer? Pity. Do you want a | 18:29 |
| th1a | 0.9 or a RC in Hoary universe? | 18:29 |
| jinty | As far as I know we are on track | 18:29 |
| jinty | but I begin to think I am missing something | 18:30 |
| th1a | Well, it isn't clear what the "final, final" deadlines for Hoary are. Perhaps I should email Jeff Waugh. | 18:32 |
| th1a | jinty: Do you know what you need to do with the release when it is ready? | 18:32 |
| jinty | yes | 18:32 |
| jinty | the procedures have been sorted out over the last releases | 18:33 |
| jinty | but let me mail jeff and cc you | 18:34 |
| th1a | If we'd absolutely, positively have to upload something say, tomorrow, could we squeeze out an rc3 with the security and upgrade fixes from rc2? | 18:34 |
| jinty | It was my understanding that almost anything can be done if a package is in universe. | 18:34 |
| th1a | Perhaps you should handle the emailing. | 18:34 |
| th1a | Can you cc: Mark as well. | 18:35 |
| jinty | :) | 18:35 |
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| th1a | jinty_: Ok, so you're going to send a status report to Mark and JDub? | 18:38 |
| jinty_ | yep, I will let them know my plans | 18:38 |
| jinty_ | the dates... | 18:39 |
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| th1a | I guess I keep confusing the deadlines for Hoary Main and Hoary Universe. | 18:42 |
| th1a | I mean, we haven't been shooting for Main. And I imagine the deadlines on the wiki pertain more to Main than Universe. | 18:43 |
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| jinty_ | I think the published dates are for everything, its just kind of unspoken that things are _much_ more relaxed for universe. | 18:43 |
| th1a | OK. | 18:44 |
| * jinty_ is not sure whether a rc3 would be useful | 18:46 | |
| th1a | Probably not, unless it was the only way to get into universe, which seems unlikely. | 18:47 |
| th1a | Here's what I wrote in response to Mark: | 18:49 |
| th1a | We've been working all along under the assumption that, given the scope of the work necessary to port the application to Zope 3, having SchoolBell 1.0 ready and solid for Hoary main wasn't going to happen. My understanding is that we're on track to have SchoolBell 1.0 done next Tuesday and uploaded into universe. Brian Sutherland is going to send you and Jeff Waugh a more precise update on where we are. | 18:49 |
| th1a | jinty: that sound ok? | 18:50 |
| * jinty_ killsall workrave | 18:53 | |
| th1a | ? | 18:54 |
| jinty_ | no, the reason for not having SchoolBell 1.0 in hoary is the inclusion of Zopw3 libs | 18:54 |
| jinty_ | in the package which makes security support difficult/downright impossible | 18:55 |
| jinty_ | s/hoary/hoary main/ | 18:55 |
| th1a | OK, I'll just delete that first sentence. | 18:55 |
| th1a | Can you mention that fact in your email as well? | 18:56 |
| jinty_ | yep | 18:56 |
| th1a | Thanks. | 18:56 |
| jinty_ | but tuesday is pushing it | 18:56 |
| th1a | I thought we were pretty much on schedule. | 18:57 |
| jinty_ | +1/2 days | 18:57 |
| th1a | What's the hold up? | 18:57 |
| jinty_ | for release yes, but a number of steps should happen before it can be uploaded to ubuntu | 18:58 |
| jinty_ | the process: | 18:58 |
| jinty_ | 1 jinty uploads packages to schooltool.org | 18:58 |
| jinty_ | 2 jinty sends mail to Andreas Schulderi to upload to Debian, and waits | 18:59 |
| jinty_ | 3 jinty makes a patch for conversion to python 2.4 in hoary and tests | 18:59 |
| th1a | OK. I see. | 19:00 |
| jinty_ | 4 once schoolbell has made it to unstable mail mattias klose with the patch and wait | 19:00 |
| jinty_ | 2/3 can be eliminated, but things can become a mess | 19:01 |
| * jinty_ hopes for quick uploads | 19:02 | |
| th1a | OK. | 19:02 |
| * th1a wonders how screwed we'd be without jinty. | 19:03 | |
| th1a | Everything Debian makes my head hurt. | 19:04 |
| * jinty_ is embarrassed | 19:04 | |
| bskahan | an event "friday 3:00 pm untill monday 1:00 pm" | 19:04 |
| bskahan | are saturday and sunday handled as allday events? | 19:04 |
| mgedmin | no | 19:04 |
| bskahan | good | 19:04 |
| jinty_ | The debian process (Not including Ubuntu):http://kmark.home.pipeline.com/debian.png | 19:12 |
| bskahan | eek | 19:13 |
| tvon | er... person view css is broken | 19:23 |
| tvon | oops | 19:23 |
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| th1a | alga: I'm going to need a summary of the default security policy for the docs. | 19:34 |
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| tvon | bskahan: ping | 19:45 |
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| bskahan | tvon: pong | 19:53 |
| th1a | Will user prefs be backported for 1.0? | 20:00 |
| bskahan | th1a: they're in 1.0 | 20:02 |
| bskahan | there's a bugfix that needs to get backported in am/pm rendering | 20:04 |
| th1a | We don't have a selection for default view as daily/weekly/monthly, right? | 20:06 |
| bskahan | no, that would be good though | 20:06 |
| bskahan | we just default to day | 20:06 |
| * jinty_ does no see the am/pm rendering patch on his list of things to consider for backporting | 20:14 | |
| jinty_ | s/no/not | 20:14 |
| bskahan | there wasn't a bug for it, just in the commit mail | 20:14 |
| bskahan | I'll track it down | 20:14 |
| th1a | I just submitted a 1.0 bug on recurring events. | 20:15 |
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| bskahan | jinty_: r3214 and 3107 | 20:17 |
| bskahan | the am/pm rendering in rc2 shows 12pm as 12am | 20:17 |
| jinty_ | ok | 20:18 |
| th1a | I never know which is which anyhow. | 20:19 |
| jinty_ | th1a: please mark all bugs for 1.0 with the topic "SchoolBell 1.0" | 20:19 |
| th1a | I did, didn't I? | 20:19 |
| jinty_ | oops | 20:20 |
| bskahan | I just had a eureeka moment and committed a bunch of improvements to preferences, but I don't think they constitute bugs-for-backporting | 20:20 |
| jinty_ | sorry | 20:20 |
| th1a | I also made a SB 1.1 tag. | 20:20 |
| jinty_ | I saw that, good idea to start prioritizing now | 20:20 |
| th1a | I just got a long feedback email, so I figured I'd better use it. | 20:21 |
| ignas | what is expected from the events that have booked resources ? | 20:38 |
| ignas | should they look differently in calendar views ? | 20:39 |
| th1a | Expected? | 20:39 |
| ignas | the task is - make calendar views support booking | 20:39 |
| ignas | now i am thinking about features we are missing | 20:39 |
| th1a | ignas: They didn't look differently in the past. | 20:39 |
| bskahan | I think they need to now | 20:40 |
| bskahan | before, the event itself indicated the booking | 20:40 |
| ignas | th1a, well the first change was - removing duplicate events when calendars are overlayed | 20:40 |
| th1a | Ah, right. | 20:40 |
| ignas | are there any other wishlist items ? | 20:41 |
| ignas | i am thinking of a lis of booked resources in the box of the event | 20:41 |
| th1a | Regarding booked resources? | 20:41 |
| ignas | regarding the appearance of events with booked resourcves | 20:42 |
| th1a | ignas: that sounds reasonable, as long as the event is long enough. | 20:42 |
| ignas | yet that would clash with short eevnts | 20:42 |
| bskahan | small dot icon for each, with a tooltip with the name of the resource | 20:42 |
| th1a | I haven't thought about it, so whatever I'd say I'd be pulling out of my ass. | 20:42 |
| ignas | bskahan, sounds like an idea | 20:43 |
| th1a | Once we have a sufficient list of needed icons, I'll look into hiring someone to make them. | 20:43 |
| th1a | bskahan: btw, can you or tvon excise the house icon? | 20:44 |
| bskahan | yes | 20:44 |
| th1a | Thanks. | 20:44 |
| ignas | th1a, and what icons we are missing at the moment ? | 20:47 |
| th1a | Well, right now not enough to bother hiring someone. | 20:47 |
| th1a | We need non-GNOME day/week/month/year grids. | 20:48 |
| ignas | oh the grids are stolen too | 20:48 |
| bskahan | the year icon is a derivative work ;) | 20:48 |
| bskahan | the back/forward arrows | 20:48 |
| ignas | bskahan, these two are mine ;) | 20:49 |
| th1a | Perhaps an icon to cue the user that they can add a new event clicking by the time on the day grid. | 20:49 |
| bskahan | I'd rather make the whole time row clickable with a highlight on mouseover | 20:49 |
| ignas | a small clockie thingie ? | 20:49 |
| th1a | Yeah, I'd rather not have to use an icon there. | 20:49 |
| bskahan | putting an icon on every row gets cluttered, fast | 20:50 |
| ignas | bskahan, +1 | 20:50 |
| th1a | Yeah. | 20:50 |
| bskahan | since it was my crappy idea to do it for 0.9 | 20:50 |
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