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| bskahan | th1a: can you explain how the quixksilver thing you want to do with notes should work? | 00:18 |
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| th1a | Well, do you understand how the REST publishing API for Atom is supposed to work? | 00:18 |
| th1a | In general? | 00:19 |
| bskahan | yes | 00:20 |
| th1a | The Quicksilver plugin is actually written in Python, so we might be able to use that for testing. | 00:20 |
| bskahan | but its designed for SOAP, not REST | 00:20 |
| th1a | It is? | 00:20 |
| th1a | Are you sure? | 00:21 |
| bskahan | I found an example client that publishes via REST though | 00:21 |
| bskahan | there's no reason that it can't work over REST | 00:21 |
| bskahan | but most clients will use soap | 00:21 |
| th1a | You mean Atom in general or the Quicksilver client is designed for SOAP? | 00:22 |
| th1a | You can take a look at this: http://quicksilver.blacktree.com/public/ytrewq1/YT%20Atom%20Actions-2004-12-25.tgz | 00:22 |
| bskahan | the Atom API spec uses SHOULD in describing implementing a soap interface on the server | 00:22 |
| bskahan | which means most clients will expect it, but the things the server MUST do can be done without soap | 00:23 |
| th1a | What's the URI? | 00:23 |
| bskahan | http://atomenabled.org/developers/api/atom-api-spec.php | 00:24 |
| bskahan | relevant section is 7.1 | 00:24 |
| th1a | Yeah, well, that's an appendix ;-) | 00:25 |
| th1a | We're REST zealots. | 00:25 |
| th1a | It is the one true way. | 00:26 |
| th1a | The truth and the light. | 00:26 |
| bskahan | yeah, that's sort of what I'm getting at | 00:26 |
| bskahan | we can do it without SOAP, but it won't work on all atom clients | 00:26 |
| th1a | That's fine. | 00:26 |
| bskahan | we just have to be aware of that | 00:26 |
| bskahan | that link you sent is the actual quicksilver plugin you want to use? | 00:27 |
| th1a | Someone else can work on SOAP sometime in 2008. | 00:27 |
| bskahan | heh | 00:27 |
| th1a | That's some version of it. The current version is in some kind of weird package I don't know how to open... | 00:27 |
| bskahan | heh | 00:28 |
| bskahan | is it open source? | 00:28 |
| bskahan | can we modify the one you sent me? | 00:28 |
| th1a | That's a good question... | 00:28 |
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| th1a | Let's see... someone is working on a GNOME clone. LaunchPad? | 00:31 |
| th1a | Although that's just for app launching. | 00:31 |
| th1a | Hm. Maybe it is called something else. | 00:32 |
| bskahan | that's it | 00:32 |
| bskahan | from imendio | 00:32 |
| bskahan | won't be able to use this plugin though | 00:32 |
| th1a | Launch Box | 00:32 |
| th1a | Yeah. | 00:32 |
| th1a | Anyhow... | 00:32 |
| th1a | Well, it doesn't appear to be open source. | 00:33 |
| th1a | Anyhow, you can use it for a reference in writing tests. | 00:34 |
| bskahan | http://intertwingly.net/wiki/pie/CarrotVsOrange | 00:35 |
| th1a | I'd say that we don't have to also do an xlink style REST interface for creating notes. | 00:35 |
| th1a | I wish it was still called Pie. | 00:35 |
| th1a | Which did they pick? | 00:36 |
| th1a | Carrot or Orange? | 00:37 |
| * bskahan wishes they'd used RDF | 00:40 | |
| bskahan | speaking of RDF, have you seen the piggy-bank firefox extension? | 00:40 |
| th1a | That's the one that vacuums up RDF from the pages you're viewing? | 00:41 |
| bskahan | very cool, general purpose RDF tool, indexes all the RDF links from pages you visit | 00:41 |
| bskahan | yeah | 00:41 |
| th1a | Haven't tried it yet. | 00:41 |
| bskahan | and presents it back in an almost human usable interface | 00:41 |
| th1a | What is 'X-WSSE'? | 00:41 |
| bskahan | authentication | 00:42 |
| th1a | Firefox seems to crash about once a day on my Mac... | 00:42 |
| th1a | Is that a problem? | 00:42 |
| th1a | I mean is X-WSSE a problem? | 00:42 |
| th1a | I just noticed that the Quicksilver client uses it, and it doesn't ring a bell with me. | 00:44 |
| bskahan | http://www.xml.com/lpt/a/2003/12/17/dive.html | 00:47 |
| th1a | So... is that something we'd have to add support for? | 00:50 |
| bskahan | yes | 00:54 |
| th1a | It doesn't look too difficult, although I don't understand things like "nonces." | 00:55 |
| bskahan | I don't thnk implementing that part is bad at all | 00:58 |
| bskahan | I'm only concerned about our HTTP handling being in flux from twisted to z3/apache | 00:58 |
| th1a | This is true... | 00:59 |
| th1a | I think this version of the API is more up to date: http://bitworking.org/projects/atom/draft-ietf-atompub-protocol-02.html | 01:01 |
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| th1a | Then you could help me debug my MacOS X init script. | 01:04 |
| th1a | It says "Starting SchoolTool" | 01:05 |
| th1a | It works from the command line. | 01:05 |
| th1a | But it doesn't actually do anything when you restart. | 01:05 |
| th1a | Just fails silently. | 01:05 |
| th1a | Anyhow... | 01:05 |
| th1a | It looks like the current version of the spec only talks about digest authentication, which is different, isn't it? | 01:06 |
| bskahan | that's the current draft | 01:06 |
| bskahan | the one you pointed to | 01:06 |
| th1a | OK. I have to go eat dinner now. | 01:06 |
| bskahan | ok | 01:09 |
| bskahan | http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-atompub-format-05.txt | 01:11 |
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| bskahan | th1a: http://msdn.microsoft.com/webservices/default.aspx?pull=/library/en-us/dnwse/html/securusernametoken.asp | 01:36 |
| bskahan | ironically showed up in my feed reader just now | 01:37 |
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