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| th1a | OK, looks like we are all here. | 18:00 |
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| bskahan | Hey everyone | 18:00 |
| tvon | Howdy | 18:00 |
| th1a | I got an email from Jeff Waugh this morning. | 18:01 |
| tvon | irt ubuntu? | 18:01 |
| th1a | He's the Hoary release manager. | 18:01 |
| th1a | We've been trying to nail down what we'd need to do to get into the Hoary release. | 18:02 |
| jinty | hi | 18:02 |
| th1a | Basically, we'd have to do a feature freeze by Feb. 28. | 18:03 |
| th1a | In terms of calendaring features, I'm willing to go with whatever we've got at that point. | 18:03 |
| th1a | The question is how far into the Zope 3 work will we be at that point? | 18:04 |
| * jinty thinks feature freeze == -rc2 | 18:04 | |
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| th1a | What do you mean jinty? | 18:04 |
| bskahan | I think we're looking at 0.10 or 1.0 for Hoary, right? | 18:05 |
| th1a | Sorry, this would be 1.0. | 18:05 |
| tvon | This is all to get 1.0 into Hoary, right? | 18:05 |
| th1a | Yes. | 18:05 |
| tvon | and there will be no 0.10 then I take it? | 18:05 |
| tvon | (just to be clear) | 18:06 |
| jinty | well, "feature freeze" means no new unstable stuff going in, which is exactly what the release candidates should be | 18:06 |
| alga | I'm very sceptical that we can do it. | 18:06 |
| th1a | alga: So am I. | 18:06 |
| tvon | a 0.10 for hoary would be an alternative, if its doable to squeeze in a stable release before 1.0 | 18:07 |
| th1a | tvon: yes. | 18:07 |
| th1a | Although I'm not sure a 0.10 would go in Hoary main. | 18:07 |
| mgedmin | but 1.0 would? | 18:07 |
| mgedmin | what is the difference? | 18:07 |
| tvon | there are many lesser developed packages in hoary. Granted it might be the difference between universe and main. | 18:08 |
| jinty | ubuntu gives a promise of support for the stuff in main | 18:08 |
| tvon | which I guess is the point | 18:08 |
| jinty | a 1.0 release sounds more like we would support it | 18:09 |
| bskahan | universe is just pulled from debian unstable | 18:09 |
| bskahan | if I understand correctly | 18:09 |
| th1a | And the 0.10 release would still be in the middle of an architectural overhaul. | 18:10 |
| jinty | bskahan: yes, among other sources | 18:10 |
| bskahan | hoary is almost less of a target platform than Debian (Sarge) and Redhat/Suse | 18:10 |
| bskahan | in terms of what I expect to see in school deployments | 18:11 |
| bskahan | at least in the US | 18:11 |
| th1a | Well, we have certain organizational priorities... | 18:11 |
| mgedmin | still, schooltool on ubuntu live cd is nice for demos | 18:11 |
| * bskahan agrees | 18:11 | |
| tvon | yeah | 18:12 |
| jinty | For whatever we release as 1.0: We have to answer the question would we be able to support it in the medium term (2-3 years)? | 18:12 |
| jinty | mgedmin: work in progress | 18:12 |
| th1a | We'll have to support it. | 18:12 |
| jinty | yes | 18:13 |
| th1a | So... we've got alga's estimate of 48 man-days for Zope 3 views. | 18:13 |
| th1a | I'll need to know how many man-days POV can give the project between now and the end of February. | 18:14 |
| mgedmin | we're thinking about an alternative path | 18:15 |
| mgedmin | instead of working on schooltool code base | 18:15 |
| th1a | To views? | 18:15 |
| mgedmin | we could create a new schoolbell package | 18:15 |
| mgedmin | and move components from schooltool to schoolbell | 18:15 |
| mgedmin | converting views to zope3 as we move the components | 18:15 |
| mgedmin | since schoolbell does not need everything from schooltool | 18:16 |
| mgedmin | we would have less views to convert | 18:16 |
| th1a | I like that. | 18:16 |
| th1a | I would like SchoolBell to _not_ have extra stuff in it. | 18:16 |
| * mgedmin too | 18:16 | |
| alga | we're rewriting the proposal along these ideas now | 18:16 |
| jinty | mgedmin: schoolbell module == schoolbell source package? | 18:17 |
| alga | jinty: not exactly, but yes | 18:18 |
| mgedmin | I think, eventually, yes | 18:18 |
| th1a | I'm going to start putting the whole timeline together on GNOME Planner: http://www.imendio.com/projects/planner/ | 18:18 |
| bskahan | we use that internally | 18:19 |
| th1a | And it doesn't blow up on you? | 18:20 |
| bskahan | no | 18:20 |
| th1a | Good. | 18:21 |
| jinty | th1a: Could you pencil in a release candidate 1 on 28Feb and a final version 2 weeks later (If the work can be done by then) | 18:21 |
| bskahan | the sql backend isn't production ready, otherwise we could share one DB | 18:21 |
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| th1a | jinty: That's what I'd like to see. | 18:21 |
| jinty | perhaps we can also divide features into critical/nice to have | 18:22 |
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| * mgedmin will curb his urge to refactor every internal detail and will focus on getting the schoolbell functionality moved to the new package and ported to zope3 | 18:22 | |
| jinty | definition: critical - no release without it. | 18:22 |
| mgedmin | is "no dependency on Twisted" critical? | 18:23 |
| th1a | I think. | 18:23 |
| mgedmin | (I think it is, but it could be argued that end-user does not care) | 18:23 |
| jinty | mgedmin: support | 18:23 |
| th1a | I don't want 1.0 to be in the middle of a transitional state, architecturally. | 18:24 |
| bskahan | from the 'support it for 2 -3 years' | 18:24 |
| mgedmin | right | 18:24 |
| tvon | I think the end user doesnt care but we don't want to support that | 18:24 |
| th1a | And attracting developers is the underlying motivation for creating SchoolBell. | 18:24 |
| th1a | So it should make sense under the hood, too. | 18:24 |
| mgedmin | by the way, what is support -- security bug fixes, regular bug fixes, troubleshooting user problems on the mailing list, all of the above? | 18:25 |
| tvon | good question | 18:25 |
| * jinty thinks | 18:25 | |
| th1a | I don't think any of the additional calendaring features are "critical." | 18:26 |
| bskahan | date format | 18:26 |
| bskahan | and time zone | 18:26 |
| * jinty debian stable version = security bugfix only (minimal patches) | 18:26 | |
| mgedmin | same for ubuntu | 18:26 |
| jinty | same people, ame philosophy | 18:27 |
| jinty | s/ame/same | 18:27 |
| bskahan | th1a: time zone, because we need it here. date format because people in the US won't use it without AM/PM | 18:27 |
| th1a | OK. But regardless, you guys (Etria) should have time to do that stuff. The time crunch is on POV's Zope 3 work. | 18:28 |
| tvon | yeah | 18:28 |
| mgedmin | agreed | 18:28 |
| * bskahan nods | 18:28 | |
| tvon | POV was going to do TZ. Was there a specific plan in mind for it? | 18:29 |
| mgedmin | not really | 18:29 |
| mgedmin | I think etria can do it | 18:29 |
| mgedmin | we should really coordinate a lot on irc | 18:29 |
| tvon | Okay | 18:29 |
| tvon | Yeah | 18:29 |
| jinty | critical feature: full database upgradability | 18:29 |
| tvon | true | 18:29 |
| tvon | which makes the twisted question somewhat moot | 18:30 |
| mgedmin | jinty, I think we have decided that partial upgradability is enough | 18:30 |
| tvon | oh | 18:30 |
| jinty | from 1.0? | 18:30 |
| mgedmin | (partial from 0.9 to 1.0) | 18:30 |
| mgedmin | (full from 1.0 to all future versions) | 18:30 |
| tvon | ah | 18:30 |
| jinty | yes. | 18:30 |
| th1a | Yes. | 18:30 |
| mgedmin | ok | 18:30 |
| mgedmin | bskahan, tvon: what are your usual working hours? | 18:31 |
| bskahan | 10am EST - 7pm EST | 18:31 |
| mgedmin | EST is what UTC offset? | 18:31 |
| tvon | -5 | 18:31 |
| mgedmin | -5? | 18:31 |
| bskahan | -5 | 18:31 |
| mgedmin | that's 17:00 to 02:00 EET | 18:32 |
| th1a | We might start needing to set our alarms earlier. | 18:32 |
| tvon | Yeah | 18:32 |
| bskahan | one of us usually works earlier and one later, but thats the window we're both here | 18:32 |
| th1a | I knew it would come to this. | 18:32 |
| th1a | Sooner or later. | 18:33 |
| tvon | We should all just live off of UTC :) | 18:33 |
| mgedmin | we usually sit in the office to 22:00 EET ( | 18:33 |
| mgedmin | that's 3 pm EST if I'm not mistaken | 18:33 |
| mgedmin | 50% overlap is not too bad | 18:33 |
| bskahan | at least one of use can start work by 15 EET normally | 18:34 |
| * bskahan nominates tvon | 18:34 | |
| tvon | of course | 18:35 |
| tvon | mgedmin: when do you start normally? | 18:35 |
| tvon | or when is POV generally available on IRC? | 18:35 |
| mgedmin | it varies | 18:35 |
| mgedmin | lately I've been trying (not always successfully) to start earlier | 18:36 |
| mgedmin | but it is really no problem to start later :-) | 18:36 |
| tvon | heh | 18:36 |
| th1a | OK, so while POV is working on their revised proposal, figuring out if we can possibly meet this deadline, let's talk about what Etria needs to do now. | 18:36 |
| jinty | the merge to get 0.9 out the door | 18:37 |
| th1a | What's the current status of migrating the UI branch to the trunk? | 18:37 |
| tvon | Some of what we do will depend on what POV is putting aside in favor of the Z3 merge | 18:37 |
| bskahan | I need a day to fix the ftests | 18:37 |
| bskahan | rest | 18:37 |
| th1a | Let's assume for the moment that POV will only be able to work on Z3 stuff. | 18:37 |
| th1a | That seems like a safe assumption. | 18:38 |
| tvon | I figure what we do will depend on what POV won't be able to due to the z3 work | 18:38 |
| bskahan | the merge is otherwise done, everything works in the web interface and those tests pass | 18:38 |
| jinty | would it help stop the churn if POV worked on a branch until 0.9? | 18:38 |
| mgedmin | jinty, can you just ignore the src/schoolbell subdirectory when releasing 0.9? | 18:38 |
| th1a | I think that's the idea. | 18:38 |
| mgedmin | then we can start copying things into src/schoolbell and not touch anything outside it | 18:39 |
| mgedmin | until 0.9 is released | 18:39 |
| jinty | mgedmin: yes | 18:39 |
| jinty | just leave it out of the tarballs? | 18:39 |
| th1a | OK, then first priority for Etria is to get 0.9 out the door. | 18:39 |
| th1a | That means adding the "minimal" db upgrade hooks. | 18:40 |
| th1a | And doing the "minimal" SchoolTool UI work. Making sure features don't disappear between SchoolTool 0.8 and 0.9. | 18:41 |
| mgedmin | jinty, yes | 18:41 |
| mgedmin | that may be tricky | 18:41 |
| mgedmin | as far as I understand, all changes in the ui branch were merged, so schooltool is now schoolbell | 18:41 |
| mgedmin | (e.g. the root group is renamed to 'community') | 18:42 |
| * bskahan nods | 18:42 | |
| bskahan | why does that make it tricky? | 18:43 |
| * tvon figured the s/root/community/ was fine for schooltool anyways | 18:43 | |
| mgedmin | doesn't schoolbell's ui hide functions that were available in schooltool 0.8? | 18:43 |
| bskahan | yes | 18:43 |
| bskahan | thought you were talking about the renaming of the root group | 18:44 |
| mgedmin | <th1a> And doing the "minimal" SchoolTool UI work. Making sure features don't disappear between SchoolTool 0.8 and 0.9. | 18:44 |
| mgedmin | otoh you had plans to use separate page template directories for schooltool 0.9 and schoolbell 0.9, no? | 18:44 |
| mgedmin | so maybe that's not too tricky | 18:44 |
| th1a | It doesn't seem tricky. | 18:45 |
| mgedmin | ok | 18:45 |
| bskahan | I think we're ok | 18:45 |
| SteveA | th1a: just talking to james troup about the schooltool server | 18:45 |
| bskahan | after doing schooltool UI work we diverge more from the shared UI than we did this time | 18:45 |
| bskahan | schooltool UI work will involve replacing references to 'groups' with 'classes', 'forms', 'teams' etc | 18:46 |
| th1a | At the risk of incurring the wrath of jinty, I'd really like to jam this into 0.9, because it is a pretty big omission: http://issues.schooltool.org/issue155 | 18:48 |
| alga | th1a: according to our estimates, we should be done in 4 weeks | 18:48 |
| alga | this leaves us 1.5 weeks to do something else | 18:49 |
| bskahan | th1a: ok | 18:49 |
| bskahan | I hate the current placement of the iCal link, we'll move it to the content well and make context based | 18:49 |
| th1a | alga: Is that just views, or everything Z3 related on http://www.schooltool.org/bounties/schoolbell/1-0/OnePointOh | 18:50 |
| tvon | we were going to add in an icon to link to the claendars listed in the merged calendars portlet, there might be enough room to squeeze in an ical icon as well | 18:50 |
| bskahan | so the link is to whatever calendar your looking at, not "whoevers looking's calendar" | 18:50 |
| jinty | th1a: :) the 0.9 release looks more and more like it will be about the dame time as 1.0 | 18:50 |
| jinty | s/dame/same | 18:50 |
| tvon | heh | 18:51 |
| mgedmin | th1a, everything, that I can see | 18:51 |
| mgedmin | we will have schoolbell that runs on top of zope 3 with no trace of twisted | 18:51 |
| mgedmin | we will not yet have schooltool that runs on top of zope 3 | 18:51 |
| tvon | if we want to squeeze out 0.9 we could split the zpt directories for st/sb so that st UI looks pretty much like it did in 0.8 | 18:51 |
| bskahan | tvon: I don't think the difference is substantial enough for that | 18:52 |
| th1a | tvon: I'm ok with that. | 18:52 |
| th1a | mgedmin: So we'll have a SchoolBell that can be installed into a Zope 3 app as you describe on the wiki page? | 18:53 |
| th1a | SteveA: Any news on the server? | 18:53 |
| mgedmin | th1a, yes, although I think it is more important to have a standalone schoolbell that does not require end users to play with Zope 3 management views to set up | 18:54 |
| th1a | And we'll be able to do both? | 18:55 |
| mgedmin | note: we plan to rip out RESTive views from schoolbell (or, rather, not port them to zope 3 during this milestone) | 18:55 |
| mgedmin | they are not necessary for a calendaring server | 18:55 |
| mgedmin | th1a, ideally, yes | 18:56 |
| tvon | they proide some interesting possabilities with xmlhttprequest in the UI though | 18:56 |
| th1a | Could you use part of that 1.5 weeks to put the RESTive views in? | 18:56 |
| mgedmin | good point | 18:57 |
| th1a | It's just that our architecture doesn't make much sense without the REST api. | 18:57 |
| tvon | er, "they provide". I'm having keyboard issues here | 18:57 |
| th1a | We go to a lot of trouble to create it, and it is the most innovative part of the design. | 18:58 |
| SteveA | th1a: there is a server. it is set up and running. the admin-to-be of this server and james troup need to talk about the level of access / admin required on it and that kind of thing. | 18:58 |
| mgedmin | it is an integral part of schooltool, yes | 18:58 |
| mgedmin | I thought having two slightly diffent RESTive APIs for SchoolTool and SchoolBell might be confusing | 18:58 |
| mgedmin | I hadn't thought about client-side scripting with them in schoolbell | 18:59 |
| th1a | SteveA: How should I get in touch with him? | 18:59 |
| th1a | mgedmin: This is also an introduction to our cool platform to developers, so I'd like SB 1.0 it to include the major features of the platform. | 19:00 |
| jinty | About zope3, we must plan that there is no zope3 package for 0.9 or 1.0. But I don't want to include all of zope 3 in the package. Can someone send me a list of the minimum required top level modules? | 19:01 |
| bskahan | I have to run | 19:01 |
| mgedmin | th1a, you have convinced me | 19:02 |
| SteveA | he is elmo on irc here. or mail james.troup at canonical.com | 19:02 |
| th1a | bskahan: Right. Our hour is up. | 19:02 |
| mgedmin | ok | 19:02 |
| th1a | So I should expect a propposal from POV? | 19:02 |
| mgedmin | my understanding is this: pov now starts working on zope3 migration by moving components into src/schoolbell; pov does not work on 0.9 release requirements, but provides advice on irc/email | 19:03 |
| th1a | Yep. | 19:04 |
| mgedmin | we will send you the proposal today, after some final polishing | 19:04 |
| th1a | mgedmin: Cool. | 19:04 |
| tvon | Brian expects to be ready for a 0.9 on friday. thats with ST UI fixes, ftests and the restive work | 19:04 |
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| mgedmin | jinty, top level required modules should be those that are included in src/ in schoolbell-ui branch or in earlier versions of schooltool | 19:04 |
| mgedmin | sotp | 19:05 |
| mgedmin | jinty, don't listen to me | 19:05 |
| th1a | tvon: Let's do a short contract that's just this transitional stuff, last week's work and this week's work. | 19:05 |
| tvon | th1a: thats fine. We'll do one for 0.9 wrap-up and one for 1.0 work | 19:05 |
| th1a | Good. | 19:06 |
| th1a | OK. You're all excused ;-) Thanks, folks. | 19:07 |
| tvon | alright, I have to split as well. I'll send you the 0.9 contract tomorrow | 19:07 |
| th1a | I have to take my car to the shop. TTYL. | 19:07 |
| tvon | bye all | 19:07 |
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| mgedmin | jinty, my suggestion: recursively grep schooltool sources for 'from zope', take the list of packages that we import directly, then look at DEPENDENCIES.cfg files inside those zope 3 packages | 19:08 |
| jinty | Btrees? | 19:09 |
| mgedmin | yes | 19:09 |
| mgedmin | everything that schooltool 0.8 had + new packages from zope | 19:09 |
| jinty | If i run the functional test, will i be sure i have them all? | 19:09 |
| mgedmin | zope 3 has a dependency tool of some sort | 19:09 |
| jinty | s/test/tests/ | 19:09 |
| mgedmin | I don't think our functional tests are very complete :( | 19:11 |
| jinty | oh dear! | 19:11 |
| mgedmin | however unit tests will catch all missing dependencies | 19:11 |
| jinty | ok - then that. I will have to make tarballs by hand this time:( | 19:12 |
| SteveA | th1a, mgedmin: ping | 19:24 |
| mgedmin | SteveA, pong | 19:25 |
| SteveA | i've asked elmo (james troup) to pop onto this channel | 19:25 |
| SteveA | he will come here in 30 mins | 19:26 |
| mgedmin | what's the plan? | 19:27 |
| mgedmin | who is going to administer schooltool's server? | 19:27 |
| SteveA | james proposed to me that he and the rest of the canonical admin team only have root on the server | 19:31 |
| SteveA | someone from schooltool gets a user account on there | 19:31 |
| SteveA | would that work? | 19:31 |
| * mgedmin shrugs | 19:33 | |
| mgedmin | will I have to do any system administration on that server, or will someone else do it? | 19:33 |
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| th1a | Ah, I won't be here. | 19:40 |
| th1a | "someone" usually means me. | 19:41 |
| th1a | Unless mgedmin wants it. | 19:41 |
| th1a | I at least would like to be able to install Zope products. | 19:41 |
| th1a | I should be able to handle the whole thing, though. | 19:42 |
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| SteveA | mgedmin: so, assume that tom will do that admin. can you work out with elmo what level of access tom needs? | 19:58 |
| mgedmin | uhh | 19:59 |
| mgedmin | plone user + enough filesystem access to download and untar plone products | 20:00 |
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| elmo | hi | 20:07 |
| mgedmin | hi | 20:07 |
| jinty | hey | 20:08 |
| elmo | mgedmin: steve told me to talk to you and tom hoffman - is he around, or shall I just talk with you? | 20:09 |
| mgedmin | tom hoffman is not here now, so there's only me | 20:09 |
| mgedmin | I'm the current sysadmin on schooltool servers | 20:09 |
| mgedmin | tom hoffman manages the plone instance | 20:09 |
| mgedmin | what's the plan? | 20:10 |
| elmo | I dunno, I was going to ask you that :) | 20:10 |
| mgedmin | I was afraid of that :) | 20:10 |
| elmo | first of all.. what are your hardware requirements? and desires? | 20:10 |
| jinty | one day we might have some live cd's - ubuntu based. Somewhere to put them would be nice. | 20:11 |
| mgedmin | currently www.schooltool.org resides on a 2.8 GHz P4 with 1GB RAM | 20:11 |
| mgedmin | there's also a roundup instance (issues.schooltool.org) that steve set up and I haven't gotten around to moving it to the new server | 20:12 |
| mgedmin | I do not think we want to move the subversion repository (source.schooltool.org) | 20:12 |
| mgedmin | ah, I forgot mailman for schooltool.org mailing lists | 20:13 |
| mgedmin | question: who is going to set up these things (zope+plone, roundup, mailman) on the new server? | 20:14 |
| elmo | hmm, can you list what services you have and what you want to move? | 20:15 |
| * mgedmin wishes it will not be he | 20:15 | |
| elmo | zope+plone ==> website? moving? | 20:15 |
| mgedmin | services: web (plone), bug tracker (roundup), mailing list (mailman), source control (subversion) | 20:16 |
| mgedmin | we want to move everything except subversion | 20:16 |
| elmo | why not subversion? | 20:16 |
| mgedmin | at least that's my understanding | 20:16 |
| mgedmin | because it is right in my office and checkouts are fast :) | 20:16 |
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| mgedmin | I have no strong objections to moving subversion | 20:16 |
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| elmo | lol | 20:17 |
| * mgedmin is not the person that wants to move everything | 20:17 | |
| * mgedmin would be happy if he didn't have to do anything extra | 20:17 | |
| mgedmin | oth, /me will be happy if he will not have to administer schooltool.org services any more | 20:17 |
| elmo | what about the demo stuff? stevea was talking about a demoserver? | 20:18 |
| mgedmin | right, I had completely forgotten | 20:18 |
| elmo | demo instance of school tool I mean | 20:18 |
| mgedmin | we have an ancient version of schooltool running in a user mode linux instance | 20:18 |
| elmo | oh, and do you guys have any stats on bandwidth usage? | 20:19 |
| mgedmin | I don't think so | 20:20 |
| elmo | ok | 20:20 |
| elmo | but I assume you don't have like an OC-3 anyway, so it can't be that much? | 20:20 |
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| mgedmin | steve would know | 20:21 |
| elmo | ok | 20:21 |
| mgedmin | I'm just sysadmining the machines because steve doesn't have time for that | 20:21 |
| mgedmin | we have apache logs, so bandwidth stats can probably be reconstructed | 20:22 |
| mgedmin | but I never found the time to set up webalizer or something | 20:22 |
| elmo | no prob | 20:23 |
| mgedmin | oh, I had forgotten | 20:26 |
| mgedmin | we have an ancient zope3 instance at checkins.schooltool.org | 20:26 |
| elmo | doing what? | 20:27 |
| mgedmin | and irc logs on source.schooltool.org/irclogs/ produced by supybot and a python log->html script | 20:27 |
| mgedmin | checkins.schooltool.org shows subversion checkins | 20:27 |
| mgedmin | it is not essential | 20:27 |
| elmo | ok | 20:27 |
| elmo | aiee | 20:27 |
| elmo | you want to run an irc bot on the new machine? | 20:27 |
| mgedmin | I'm just listing out all schooltool related services that I can think of | 20:28 |
| mgedmin | viewcvs on source.schooltool.org | 20:28 |
| elmo | ok | 20:29 |
| mgedmin | a cron script that does nightly source snapshots and scp's them to a server, where they are forgotten (earlier they used to be available on the web) | 20:29 |
| mgedmin | later we moved schooltool.org to a different machine and decided nightly snapshots weren't urgent | 20:30 |
| mgedmin | we had a schooltool meeting in london, and bounced around ideas about subversion commit hooks that run test suites | 20:30 |
| mgedmin | but this is not implemented yet | 20:30 |
| mgedmin | I think now I've listed everything schooltool related that I can think of | 20:31 |
| mgedmin | oh, there are nightly backups ;) | 20:31 |
| * mgedmin wishes stevea would say which of those things have to be moved | 20:32 | |
| elmo | steve's gone | 20:35 |
| elmo | anyway, ok, I now have an idea of the services at least.. | 20:37 |
| elmo | oh, yes, how much disk space are you guys using? | 20:37 |
| mgedmin | these services are distributed on three different machines | 20:37 |
| mgedmin | let me see | 20:37 |
| mgedmin | 0.5 gig for the website (Data.fs wasn't packed for ages) | 20:38 |
| mgedmin | 4 gigs for schooltool demo, although thats a 0.5 gb UML disk image + 3 backup copies of earlier versions of that, that can be deleted | 20:39 |
| mgedmin | 60 megs for subversion repository | 20:39 |
| mgedmin | ~25 megs mailman archives | 20:41 |
| mgedmin | 3 megs roundup | 20:41 |
| elmo | ok, so basically not much :-) | 20:41 |
| mgedmin | yes | 20:42 |
| elmo | cool, thanks.. I'll need to discuss stuff with Steve some more I guess | 20:45 |
| mgedmin | ok | 20:45 |
| mgedmin | do you know my email? | 20:45 |
| mgedmin | in case you have any questions and I'm not on irc | 20:45 |
| elmo | hmm, think so, yep | 20:47 |
| elmo | thanks | 20:47 |
| mgedmin | no problem | 20:47 |
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| mgedmin | unpleasant side effect of having use-commit-times = yes in ~/.subversion/config | 21:08 |
| mgedmin | if you modify a file and later do svn revert file.py, it restores the timestamp as well, and python thinks the corresponding .pyc file is up to date, even though it isn't | 21:09 |
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