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| th1a | unimauro: hello | 17:16 |
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| th1a | SteveA: I've received a question about my PyCon submission: | 17:37 |
| th1a | "(I'd like to know) whether the facet objects correspond to the concept of faceted classification." | 17:37 |
| th1a | I think the answer is yes. | 17:38 |
| th1a | Although the formal definitions of "faceted classification" are somewhat opaque. | 17:39 |
| vinsci | a partner for schooltool? http://schoolredesign.net/srn/index.php | 17:51 |
| th1a | I have some connections at Stanford, although I don't know any of those people. | 17:53 |
| th1a | Tim Mansfield probably knows those people. | 17:53 |
| th1a | But yeah, that's our target market in the US. | 17:54 |
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| vinsci | I have no idea what that project is about - it was just a chance encounter on Google on an unrelated search. Could be worth lookingo into, though. | 17:55 |
| th1a | That's pretty much the scene I come from, although on the East coast instead of the West coast. | 17:55 |
| th1a | The center of school redesign has shifted from Brown University/Providence (where I am) to Stanford University in the past ten years. | 17:57 |
| vinsci | ok, just wanted to make sure you're aware of them ;-) | 17:58 |
| th1a | Thanks! | 17:58 |
| tvon|x31 | Howdy folks | 17:58 |
| th1a | Hi. Looks like everyone is here. | 17:59 |
| bska|mobile | Hi everyone | 18:00 |
| vinsci | btw, here in Finland the school administration market is pretty much owned by a single small company that concquered the market over the previous 10 years. You may want to evaluate their software for ideas to borrow. They're http://www.starsoft.fi/ | 18:00 |
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| th1a | vinsci: thanks for the tip | 18:00 |
| vinsci | apparently they're doing very well, they bought a small skyscraper the other year and they're only something like 30 persons... | 18:01 |
| vinsci | which is slightly annoying of course, as it's all taxpayers money :) | 18:01 |
| th1a | We will all be rich soon enough :-) | 18:02 |
| vinsci | lol :) | 18:02 |
| alga | th1a: perhaps you could lead the meeting? | 18:03 |
| alga | what's our agenda? | 18:03 |
| th1a | Sure. | 18:03 |
| th1a | Well, the impetus yesteday was gintas' questions about merging the schoolbell branch back into the trunk. | 18:04 |
| tvon | when/how? | 18:05 |
| th1a | So I want to make sure we know how we're handling SchoolBell vs. SchoolTool going forward. | 18:05 |
| alga | and who :-) | 18:05 |
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| th1a | Well, these are the kind of things that I don't understand very well, so I need to get you guys talking to each other. | 18:06 |
| th1a | Is there any reason not to merge them back together soon? | 18:06 |
| bska|mobile | no | 18:06 |
| bska|mobile | everything from schoolbell probably should be in schooltool as well | 18:07 |
| mgedmin | I agree | 18:07 |
| bska|mobile | the trick is in the other direction | 18:08 |
| gintas | another thing I asked Tom yesterday about was whether the 'schoolbell-ui' branch is "the" SchoolBell branch | 18:08 |
| gintas | I thing you said it wasn't, right, Tom? | 18:08 |
| th1a | That's my understanding. | 18:08 |
| gintas | s/thing/think/ | 18:08 |
| gintas | mine too | 18:09 |
| *mgedmin thought this was the temporary schoolbell 0.9 release branch that was to be merged back into the trunk asap | 18:09 | |
| tvon | right, thats how I understood it | 18:09 |
| th1a | OK. So we all agree! | 18:09 |
| mgedmin | that depends on how gintas understands 'the schoolbell branch' | 18:09 |
| th1a | That's a more complicated question. | 18:10 |
| mgedmin | to me 'the schoolbell branch' implies that this is a long living branch, and not something that will be merged and discarded after the next release | 18:10 |
| gintas | when I said "the schoolbell branch", I had a fork in mind, which would not be merged into trunk | 18:10 |
| mgedmin | and I do not think we want to continue development on two branches in parallel | 18:10 |
| gintas | yes | 18:11 |
| alga | yes | 18:11 |
| tvon | yeah | 18:11 |
| mgedmin | so there seems to have been a misundestanding | 18:11 |
| mgedmin | that is now cleared | 18:11 |
| *mgedmin looks around | 18:11 | |
| mgedmin | it is a pity that jinty isn't here | 18:11 |
| th1a | Well, my vision is that we're going to put out SchoolBell 1.0 and then focus our attention on SchoolTool indefinitely. | 18:11 |
| gintas | it's just that the branch has been around for so long that I started to suspect that it's going to stick around | 18:12 |
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| bska|mobile | I think we can start merging it back next week | 18:12 |
| mgedmin | in my understanding SchoolBell 1.0 will be a SchoolBell-on-Zope3 rather than SchoolBell-on-Twisted | 18:13 |
| gintas | why next week? | 18:13 |
| gintas | judging from my small experiment that I did yesterday, merging the branch is a matter of a few hours | 18:14 |
| th1a | I'm assuming SchoolBell-on-Zope3 will be ready for SchoolBell 1.0. | 18:14 |
| bska|mobile | fixing averlays, anonymous users, and test coverage | 18:14 |
| bska|mobile | s/averlays/overlays/ | 18:14 |
| tvon | the actual merge will be relatively simple, its just a matter of getting 0.9 out the door before then | 18:15 |
| gintas | do you want to release the branch as 0.9? | 18:15 |
| tvon | thats what I thought was going to happen | 18:16 |
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| gintas | do you think that our changes in trunk are not worth integrating? | 18:16 |
| mgedmin | gintas, the whole point of that branch was to avoid our changes in trunk | 18:16 |
| tvon | I'm also saying SchoolBell 0.9, not SchoolTool 0.9 | 18:16 |
| mgedmin | (our zope3 restructuring changes, that is) | 18:17 |
| mgedmin | (some bugfixes perhaps should be merged) | 18:17 |
| th1a | Sorry... phone call. | 18:17 |
| gintas | Ah, so we don't want Zope3 restructuring stuff in SchoolBell 0.9. Thanks for clarifying | 18:18 |
| th1a | Well, by the time the rest of 0.9 is ready the Zope3 stuff might be done. | 18:18 |
| mgedmin | I hope 0.9 will be ready sooner | 18:19 |
| th1a | What's the timeframe on the Z3 stuff? | 18:19 |
| mgedmin | there is a lot of Zope 3 stuff that needs to be done | 18:19 |
| tvon | we were thinking Friday | 18:19 |
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| mgedmin | we're only about to wrap up the first stage | 18:19 |
| tvon | for 0.9 | 18:19 |
| th1a | Oh. The first stage isn't a usable point? | 18:19 |
| alga | I think the things we have in the trunk are stable enough to be released | 18:19 |
| mgedmin | it is a usable point | 18:19 |
| mgedmin | it is not, however, the final point | 18:20 |
| gintas | I think it is | 18:20 |
| gintas | that's why I was a bit surprised | 18:20 |
| th1a | When will the first phase be done? | 18:20 |
| mgedmin | also friday | 18:20 |
| alga | guys | 18:21 |
| alga | AFAIU the last thing we have to do is the zope 3 views spike | 18:21 |
| alga | it will not produce any releaseable code, only information | 18:21 |
| alga | plans for future | 18:21 |
| alga | I am doing it in a separate branch | 18:21 |
| gintas | mgedmin, alga: do you intend to finish migration to ZPublisher till Friday? | 18:22 |
| mgedmin | we intend to finish the spike | 18:22 |
| alga | no, but our current state stands on its own | 18:22 |
| mgedmin | actual migration is not planned for this iteration | 18:22 |
| alga | one problem with it though is that it requires all of Zope3 | 18:22 |
| gintas | ok then, so what's wrong with the current state of the trunk? | 18:23 |
| alga | nothing | 18:23 |
| alga | except a dependency on zope.app | 18:23 |
| th1a | So at the end of this first phase of Z3 transistion, we're still going to be dependent on Twisted, right? | 18:23 |
| mgedmin | yes | 18:23 |
| gintas | yes | 18:24 |
| th1a | OK. | 18:24 |
| alga | I'm pretty optimistic that twisted can be thrown out in a matter of couple of weeks | 18:24 |
| tvon | is trunk run the same way? eg ./schooltool-server.py ? | 18:24 |
| alga | in the next iteration | 18:24 |
| alga | yes | 18:24 |
| bska|mobile | does it make sense for us to merge on Monday then? | 18:25 |
| bska|mobile | since stage 1 will be finished friday? | 18:25 |
| mgedmin | yes | 18:25 |
| alga | is it worth waiting till monday? | 18:26 |
| bska|mobile | don't have to | 18:26 |
| alga | I'm fine with it, but keep in mind that not a lot is going to change, so it's your call | 18:26 |
| th1a | It doesn't sound like it makes much difference either way. | 18:26 |
| bska|mobile | could probably do it friday | 18:26 |
| bska|mobile | but I'd like to have the weekend to try out trunk | 18:27 |
| tvon | I mean, we could do it now but we have more work to do before schoolbell 0.9 is ready so I think it makes sense to wait | 18:27 |
| alga | ok | 18:28 |
| gintas | we will probably still want to isolate and merge bugfixes | 18:28 |
| alga | so, the release will be cut on the schoolbell-ui branch? | 18:29 |
| *bska|mobile is confused now | 18:29 | |
| alga | in that case, the bugfixes merge is necessary | 18:29 |
| alga | otherwise, not | 18:29 |
| th1a | I think the point is we're merging before the release. | 18:30 |
| alga | the dependency on Zope3 does not scare you? | 18:30 |
| mgedmin | ah, I thought otherwise | 18:30 |
| alga | it might scare jinty ;-) | 18:30 |
| th1a | Right. | 18:30 |
| mgedmin | packaging becomes more complicated | 18:30 |
| mgedmin | and the benefits of using Zope 3 are not fully realized yet | 18:31 |
| alga | maybe it makes sense to merge after the release | 18:31 |
| mgedmin | (e.g. the twisted dependency is not yet removed) | 18:31 |
| th1a | That's a good point. | 18:31 |
| th1a | We'll have to straighten out the packaging issues sooner or later. | 18:31 |
| mgedmin | yes | 18:32 |
| tvon | I thought we were still merging after the release. | 18:32 |
| th1a | But I guess the only person who feels strongly about this stuff is jinty. | 18:32 |
| th1a | Merging after the release will make him happy. | 18:32 |
| th1a | Would everyone be ok with merging after the release, then? | 18:33 |
| alga | +1 | 18:33 |
| mgedmin | yes | 18:33 |
| tvon | yup | 18:33 |
| *bska|mobile nods | 18:34 | |
| gintas | I thought that Brian was suggesting to merge on Monday and the release is on Friday? | 18:34 |
| Aiste | th1a: did you see SteveA's message to you? | 18:34 |
| th1a | So Etria will sync up bugfixes, etc. | 18:34 |
| th1a | Aiste: yes, but I haven't had a chance to chat with jdub yet. | 18:34 |
| Aiste | ok, just checking, in case you missed it :) | 18:35 |
| gintas | darn, I'm having some latency problems ;( | 18:35 |
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| th1a | Speak of the devil. | 18:36 |
| th1a | Glad you could make it jinty. Sorry I didn't give you much notice. | 18:36 |
| th1a | So... what's Etria's timeline for 0.9? | 18:37 |
| tvon | Friday | 18:38 |
| th1a | We also need some kind of SchoolTool 0.9 that's released at the same time. It is ok with me if it is pretty much identical to SchoolBell. | 18:39 |
| th1a | We'll add the school-related features back into the interface for SchoolTool 0.10. | 18:39 |
| tvon | A schooltool 0.9 without some of the schooltool 0.8 features? | 18:40 |
| mgedmin | do we really need SchoolTool 0.9 that is really SchoolBell 0.9? | 18:40 |
| tvon | yeah | 18:40 |
| mgedmin | if it is just a matter of debian packaging | 18:40 |
| tvon | I mean "yeah, thats my question too" | 18:40 |
| mgedmin | perhaps jinty could simply change debian/control to suppress the schooltool* packages | 18:41 |
| mgedmin | and then change it back for 0.10 | 18:41 |
| mgedmin | (or, rather, make the change on the branch and then not merge it to trunk) | 18:41 |
| th1a | If there is some way we can avoid putting out SchoolTool 0.9, I'm ok with it. | 18:42 |
| mgedmin | jinty? | 18:43 |
| mgedmin | I don't think I know enough about debian to know if what I proposed would work or not | 18:43 |
| tvon | well, we do have till Friday to see how schooltool works with the new ui bits | 18:43 |
| th1a | Well, we can work that out with jinty later. | 18:43 |
| th1a | So we need to start thinking about the next contracts. | 18:44 |
| th1a | I think I might like POV to do a little work on the access control. | 18:46 |
| tvon | btw, I'm getting a missing module in trunk, "_zope_proxy_proxy" | 18:46 |
| tvon | when trying to run the server | 18:46 |
| tvon | or tests | 18:46 |
| mgedmin | tvon, known issue, let me see if I have committed the fix or not | 18:46 |
| tvon | mgedmin: okay | 18:46 |
| jinty | sorry, here now. opened the window and left it. | 18:47 |
| alga | th1a: we'll be migrating to Zope 3 security machinery, that'll be a major security rework | 18:47 |
| th1a | In the next phase? | 18:47 |
| alga | It can be delayed if needed | 18:47 |
| th1a | No, I'd rather do it sooner. | 18:48 |
| alga | We'll have to integrate our ACLs with it somehow | 18:48 |
| jinty | mgedmin: I think it could work, but worry about how the archive management scripts of debian will treat it. | 18:48 |
| mgedmin | tvon, committed | 18:48 |
| tvon | mgedmin: thanks | 18:48 |
| alga | what work on access control did you have in mind, actually? | 18:48 |
| th1a | Well, there's this: http://issues.schooltool.org/issue143 | 18:49 |
| th1a | Right now private events aren't visible to other people, even if they have "edit" permission, which means that they'll overwrite events that they can't see. | 18:49 |
| alga | that is a bug IMO, it should be working | 18:50 |
| th1a | Oh. So if you have edit permission you should see private events now? | 18:50 |
| alga | it should be that way, but is not :-) | 18:51 |
| th1a | Right. | 18:52 |
| alga | I imagine the fix won't be a big deal | 18:52 |
| th1a | I'm going to write up some of the more complex use cases for schools that we'll need to start accounting for. | 18:52 |
| alga | great! | 18:52 |
| jinty | mgedmin: Actually, now that I think about it there was once a schoolbell-ssl binary package in the archive that automacically dissapeared when a new source package without it was uploaded. Perhaps because I was conflicting against it - but I'm not sure. | 18:53 |
| jinty | s/macic/magic | 18:53 |
| alga | th1a: also, there's that groupware use case, where a group's calendar must be composed out of calendars of members, not the other way around. | 18:54 |
| alga | a different kind of groups... | 18:54 |
| th1a | Right. | 18:55 |
| alga | we discussed it a bit | 18:55 |
| mgedmin | jinty, I don't think we want schooltool 0.8 to disappear... | 18:55 |
| alga | I don't remember if we came up with a simple solution of how to implement it | 18:56 |
| jinty | mgedmin: I don't either... | 18:56 |
| alga | because there's already an awful lot of complexity, details to keep in mind in the calendaring code | 18:56 |
| SteveA | th1a: in faceted classification each facet of an item is one way in which it classified in a particular subject area. With facets in schooltool, each facet of an object models in software the object's responsibilities (and encapsulates its data) for a particular role that object plays in the schooltool system and in the real world system we're modeling with it. | 18:56 |
| th1a | alga: I don't think that groupware use case is going to be in 1.0. | 18:57 |
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| th1a | SteveA: the proposal is at http://submit.pycon.org/proposal/55/ but I'm not sure you can get to it without a login. | 18:58 |
| SteveA | th1a: however, in schooltool, the relationships and group membership systems, and how these can imply there being different facets on each side of a relationship are closer to the spirit of faceted classification. That is, navigating through the "relationship space" of schooltool is similar to looking up objects by faceted classification. | 18:58 |
| mgedmin | btw that groupware use case is http://issues.schooltool.org/issue137 | 18:58 |
| tvon | th1a: nope | 18:59 |
| SteveA | th1a: send it to me by email if you want me to read it. | 18:59 |
| th1a | SteveA: right... sent. | 19:00 |
| tvon | Speaking of issues, I think 145 might be related to how twisted serves up static files (http://issues.schooltool.org/issue145) | 19:00 |
| tvon | not entirely sure how to approach it | 19:00 |
| mgedmin | tvon, can you reliably reproduce the problem? | 19:01 |
| tvon | A related problem exists with mozilla, where images placed with css do not always show up | 19:01 |
| mgedmin | I have experienced the mozilla image problem, but was unable to reproduce it at will | 19:02 |
| tvon | mgedmin: Any reloads with konqueror or safari seem to only get partial css. It's pretty consistant | 19:02 |
| tvon | yeah, its not "always", just "frequently" | 19:02 |
| tvon | but it does not happen when the pages are served up via apache | 19:02 |
| mgedmin | anything interesting in schooltool's web-access.log? | 19:03 |
| SteveA | th1a: this takes me back to my grad student days ;-) | 19:03 |
| gintas | by the way, Tom, just that I don't forget - I remember that you saying that the wxWidgets client needs to be removed before the next release | 19:05 |
| tvon | mgedmin: no, the images that are not showing up do appear in the access log | 19:06 |
| th1a | I want to start clearing out deprecated stuff. | 19:06 |
| mgedmin | I agree that wxClient should not be distributed with schoolbell | 19:06 |
| tvon | that needs to die | 19:07 |
| gintas | Tom, I know, but you'll have to tell someone to do it (or do it yourself) if you want it done ;) | 19:07 |
| th1a | I'll have to tell someone who didn't pour his heart and soul into it? | 19:07 |
| mgedmin | however I think that as long as we have the RESTive interface, a single example of a fat client is useful, even if it does not support all the features of schooltool | 19:07 |
| th1a | It is useful to developers. | 19:07 |
| tvon | it should be packaged like that then, I think | 19:08 |
| tvon | eg, installed into /usr/share/doc/... | 19:08 |
| tvon | schooltool/examples/ | 19:08 |
| tvon | maybe | 19:08 |
| *mgedmin likes schooltool/examples | 19:08 | |
| tvon | the "functional, but not feature complete fat client example" | 19:09 |
| th1a | I think we've covered what we need to cover. Anything else pressing? | 19:09 |
| alga | eh | 19:10 |
| alga | What do you think about a day for bug squashing, code review, fixing up stuff | 19:10 |
| bska|mobile | I like that idea | 19:11 |
| alga | when do you think it would make sense to do it? | 19:11 |
| bska|mobile | after the merge? | 19:12 |
| bska|mobile | so we go over changes? | 19:12 |
| bska|mobile | from the Zope 3 work, etc | 19:12 |
| alga | I think it should be done before the release | 19:12 |
| th1a | Yeah, before the release. | 19:12 |
| alga | that's the whole point, actually | 19:12 |
| bska|mobile | heh | 19:12 |
| bska|mobile | ok, thursday, 15:00 UTC | 19:13 |
| bska|mobile | ? | 19:13 |
| alga | sounds fine | 19:13 |
| mgedmin | ok | 19:13 |
| th1a | Good. | 19:13 |
| jinty | mgedmin, tvon, just put whatever you want in /user/share/doc/schooltool/examples in its own directory, but please not under /doc | 19:13 |
| alga | we'll be there till ~19:00 UTC | 19:13 |
| th1a | Yes, the one thing I forgot is a general exhortation for the two teams to talk to each other more. | 19:14 |
| SteveA | how often do we have an all-hands meeting? | 19:14 |
| *bska|mobile commits to getting up before its dark in LT | 19:14 | |
| alga | :-) | 19:14 |
| gintas | by the way, I wanted to ask about Notes | 19:14 |
| th1a | SteveA: not on a regular basis. I was thinking we should start. | 19:15 |
| SteveA | have a 1 hour all-hands meeting each week | 19:15 |
| gintas | do Notes really have to be almost first-class objects in SchoolTool and connected by relationships? | 19:15 |
| bska|mobile | in retrospect, having the Obj Container is excess, having them associated by relationships I like though | 19:16 |
| th1a | They have to have a URL for the REST interface. | 19:16 |
| gintas | do you plan to assign the same note to multiple objects? | 19:16 |
| th1a | No. | 19:16 |
| bska|mobile | we talked about that actually | 19:17 |
| gintas | Then I think that relationships are excessive | 19:17 |
| alga | do you intend the note to live longer than/separately from the notandum? | 19:17 |
| bska|mobile | classrooms 1 2 and 3 all have whiteboards | 19:17 |
| bska|mobile | alga: no | 19:17 |
| alga | the point is, they should have been annotations, not separate objects | 19:18 |
| th1a | That's too complicated to actually be used, I think. | 19:18 |
| alga | making a facet to store annotations seems like the right way to do it | 19:18 |
| gintas | yeah | 19:18 |
| mgedmin | alga, gintas: do you want notes to be refactored before the schoolbell 0.9 release? if not, then maybe we could discuss the design of notes (and residences and perhaps guardians) in another meeting? | 19:19 |
| gintas | no there's a fair share of relationship configuration boilerplate | 19:19 |
| gintas | mgedmin, I don't feel very strongly about that refactoring | 19:19 |
| th1a | I do feel strongly about having notes working properly by SchoolBell 1.0. | 19:19 |
| gintas | I just wanted to find out if there were reasons for using relationships | 19:20 |
| tvon | if there is a grand pre-1.0 list out there, we should put the notes redesign on it | 19:20 |
| alga | seems fine to me | 19:20 |
| th1a | I need to make that list. | 19:20 |
| mgedmin | +1 | 19:20 |
| gintas | how about using issues.schooltool.org? | 19:20 |
| tvon | sure | 19:20 |
| th1a | I agree with SteveA that we should have a weekly meeting, at least when both teams are working. | 19:21 |
| tvon | sounds good to me | 19:21 |
| th1a | How is this time on Monday? | 19:21 |
| alga | this time == 17:00 UTC? | 19:21 |
| alga | 15:00 UTC? | 19:22 |
| th1a | The time we started? 16:00 UTC? | 19:22 |
| th1a | 15:00? | 19:22 |
| alga | Seems fine to me | 19:22 |
| alga | next semester we might have lectures overlap with that, so we might need to renegotiate | 19:22 |
| *mgedmin is confused | 19:22 | |
| th1a | Sorry. | 19:23 |
| *mgedmin is confused by alga's answer, actually | 19:23 | |
| *alga aggrees with 16:00 UTC | 19:23 | |
| th1a | A standing meeting 16:00 UTC on Monday. | 19:23 |
| *mgedmin agrees with 16:00 UTC | 19:23 | |
| *bska|mobile nods | 19:23 | |
| th1a | Cool. | 19:23 |
| SteveA | and, make it 1 hour strictly | 19:23 |
| gintas | fine with me | 19:23 |
| SteveA | start 16:00 sharp. end 1700 sharp | 19:23 |
| tvon | sounds good | 19:23 |
| alga | someone should be responsible for the agenda, too | 19:24 |
| SteveA | i'd wondered how to pronounce "th1a" | 19:25 |
| SteveA | now i know | 19:25 |
| th1a | There's a pronounciation? | 19:25 |
| SteveA | "zumwun" | 19:25 |
| alga | and what would it be? | 19:25 |
| th1a | alga: I'll handle the agenda. | 19:25 |
| bska|mobile | heh | 19:25 |
| SteveA | thanks tom ;-) | 19:26 |
| th1a | I'm afraid I don't get it. | 19:26 |
| gundee | someone = zumwun | 19:26 |
| th1a | Ah. thanks. | 19:26 |
| bska|mobile | setting up a projectwide schoolbell server? | 19:27 |
| bska|mobile | ^future meeting agenda items | 19:27 |
| SteveA | cool -- dogfood | 19:27 |
| alga | we have one set up already | 19:27 |
| mgedmin | https://calendar.pov.lt | 19:27 |
| bska|mobile | could you create users for us | 19:28 |
| SteveA | awesome | 19:28 |
| mgedmin | sure | 19:28 |
| mgedmin | any preferred usernames? | 19:28 |
| tvon | tvon | 19:28 |
| bska|mobile | bskahan | 19:28 |
| SteveA | stevea | 19:28 |
| tvon | heh | 19:28 |
| mgedmin | tvon, which one -- "tvon" or "heh"? | 19:28 |
| *mgedmin ducks | 19:28 | |
| tvon | (that was a chucke, not a username) | 19:28 |
| tvon | heh | 19:29 |
| tvon | "tvon"! | 19:29 |
| tvon | s/chucke/chuckle/ | 19:29 |
| alga | T|N>K | 19:29 |
| SteveA | tvon: that's the button on a universal remote? | 19:29 |
| gintas | see, he said "heh" two times and "tvon" only once, so make it "heh" | 19:29 |
| tvon | uh oh | 19:30 |
| *mgedmin tries to remember the manager's password (hint: it's not "schooltool" any more) | 19:30 | |
| bska|mobile | one down | 19:30 |
| jinty | me too - me too---> jinty | 19:31 |
| th1a | make me 'hoffman' | 19:31 |
| mgedmin | ok, created. username == password[-1] + password[:-1] (unless I mistyped, in which case try password[1:] + password[0]) | 19:35 |
| *mgedmin is tired | 19:35 | |
| mgedmin | password == username[-1] + username[:-1] | 19:35 |
| mgedmin | if anyone can't log in, tell me and I'll just set the password to username without fancy rotations | 19:36 |
| th1a | mgedmin: my fancy rotation doesn't seem to work. | 19:40 |
| mgedmin | th1a, try with password == username now | 19:40 |
| th1a | I'm in. | 19:41 |
| bska|mobile | works here | 19:41 |
| bska|mobile | thanks | 19:41 |
| tvon | I'm good, thanks | 19:41 |
| th1a | All set now. | 19:42 |
| tvon | a SchoolTool group perhaps? | 19:42 |
| mgedmin | sure | 19:43 |
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| ---Topic for #schooltool is http://schooltool.org | 19:43 | |
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| mgedmin | aargh, ^W | 19:43 |
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| alga | AArgh, Alt-F4 :-) | 19:44 |
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| mgedmin | does anyone know how to enable emacs-style key bindings for input boxes in GNOME? | 19:45 |
| mgedmin | I had it configured on my laptop, but my laptop is in repairs today | 19:45 |
| tvon | maybe in gconf editor, I believe it was taken out of the UI preferences in 2.6-ish | 19:46 |
| alga | But ^W is not kill-word in Emacs | 19:46 |
| bska|mobile | I thinks | 19:46 |
| mgedmin | it is in bash and readline | 19:46 |
| mgedmin | or isn't it/ | 19:46 |
| gintas | it is | 19:46 |
| *bska|mobile is confused | 19:47 | |
| mgedmin | perhaps it was an xchat keybinding | 19:47 |
| bska|mobile | kill word is ^] w | 19:47 |
| *mgedmin is a vim user | 19:47 | |
| bska|mobile | dw | 19:47 |
| mgedmin | :help i_^W | 19:48 |
| tvon | thats what gnome needs, modal input boxes | 19:48 |
| mgedmin | someone once integrated vim into evolution as a bonobo component | 19:48 |
| tvon | I wish theyd finished, I'd use it. | 19:49 |
| tvon | I think it died out with evo 2.x | 19:49 |
| *tvon also uses vim | 19:49 | |
| *mgedmin still uses mutt + vim for emails | 19:49 | |
| mgedmin | anyway, I was going to say "I'll create the SchoolTool group and give you all modify access to its calendar" | 19:50 |
| mgedmin | when I accidentally closed the tab | 19:50 |
| tvon | ah, cool | 19:51 |
| tvon | oh hey, is there any objection to an svn:propset svn:ignore *.pyc on the repo? | 19:51 |
| mgedmin | no | 19:51 |
| tvon | it makes 'svn st' easier to read | 19:51 |
| mgedmin | I have that in my global-ignores, so I don't much care ;) | 19:51 |
| tvon | ah | 19:51 |
| *mgedmin notices missing icons | 19:53 | |
| mgedmin | the icons reappeared after a page reload... same bug? | 19:53 |
| tvon | yup | 19:53 |
| mgedmin | the version running on calendars.pov.lt does not use CSS to place images | 19:54 |
| tvon | khtml is a bit more drastic since it craps on the CSS files themselves | 19:54 |
| mgedmin | just simple <img src="/person.png" alt="Person" /> | 19:54 |
| tvon | gecko seems to handle the css fine but sometimes misses some images | 19:54 |
| tvon | img tags should work fine | 19:54 |
| tvon | its images placed by CSS that have issues I believe | 19:54 |
| tvon | hrm | 19:55 |
| tvon | that might be a different issue | 19:55 |
| *mgedmin is done with the group setup | 19:55 | |
| jinty | th1a: back to the release discussed when I first joined IRC? | 19:57 |
| mgedmin | I predict that "proper timezone support" will be wishlist #1 soon | 19:57 |
| th1a | mgedmin: good point. | 19:58 |
| th1a | jinty: yes? | 19:58 |
| jinty | ok, So my understanding is that this friday etria will finish up. | 19:58 |
| tvon | yes | 19:59 |
| jinty | but that the schooltool-ui branch does not have some things that schooltool-0.8 had | 19:59 |
| jinty | missing features | 19:59 |
| th1a | We've only worked on SchoolBell. | 19:59 |
| th1a | More or less. | 20:00 |
| jinty | So the crux of the problem is that it is diffucult to put these features back, and also difficult/dangerous to release only schoolbell 0.8 in debian/ubuntu. | 20:01 |
| jinty | dangerous -> the dissapering packages mentioned before | 20:01 |
| th1a | Well, it isn't so much that features need to be put back, as much as it will take a bit of time to integrate the old features into the new UI. | 20:02 |
| th1a | And I'd like to get the SchoolBell release out ASAP. | 20:02 |
| jinty | Is is necessary that SchoolBell appear in debian/ubuntu? | 20:03 |
| mgedmin | jinty, what if you submit a new schooltool source package that only builds schooltool-*.debs (take the old source and just increment debian releast) + create a new schoolbell source package? | 20:03 |
| mgedmin | but maybe that's too much trouble | 20:04 |
| jinty | Also, new source packages have to wait for ftp master approval - About a month if he likes you. | 20:04 |
| mgedmin | uh oh | 20:05 |
| th1a | We could hold off on the .deb's until the SchoolTool contract is done. | 20:05 |
| th1a | My prime concern is getting into Ubuntu. SteveA just gave me the name of the guy to talk to at Canonical about it. | 20:05 |
| bska|mobile | can we go from 0.8 debs to 0.10 debs and do 0.9 as a tarball only release? | 20:05 |
| jinty | And he likes people that don't waste archive space/bandwidth | 20:05 |
| mgedmin | perhaps unofficial downloadable 0.9 debs would be enough/ | 20:06 |
| *bska|mobile nods | 20:06 | |
| th1a | I am going to work more on Win/Mac versions. I should be able to have something ready for 0.9. | 20:06 |
| th1a | Something to test, at least. | 20:06 |
| jinty | It's uninstallable in ubuntu anyway. due to the python 2.3 dependency | 20:06 |
| th1a | Right. | 20:06 |
| bska|mobile | it works on ubuntu | 20:07 |
| bska|mobile | ;) | 20:07 |
| tvon | been running it with 2.4 since ubuntu made the switch | 20:07 |
| mgedmin | works in warty, is uninstallable in hoary, afaiu | 20:07 |
| jinty | development branch? | 20:07 |
| tvon | I dont know about the debs, but both Brian and I run Hoary here | 20:07 |
| mgedmin | it is a dependency problem with debian packages | 20:08 |
| *bska|mobile nods | 20:08 | |
| mgedmin | has anyone tried to run schooltool on python2.4? | 20:08 |
| bska|mobile | yes, I test it on both | 20:09 |
| tvon | I've been working with schoolbell on 2.4 without any problems | 20:09 |
| bska|mobile | 2.3 and 2.4 | 20:09 |
| jinty | Anyone know perl well? (Dirty question:) | 20:11 |
| bska|mobile | pretty things, come from oysters? | 20:11 |
| jinty | completely a mystery | 20:11 |
| jinty | i agree | 20:11 |
| mgedmin | I have done some perl in the past | 20:12 |
| bska|mobile | we're going to grab lunch and coffee, anything else for now? | 20:13 |
| jinty | could you have a look at /usr/bin/dh_python and see how it gets the deps? | 20:13 |
| jinty | specifically why it excludes python2.4 | 20:13 |
| jinty | I just can't get it..... | 20:14 |
| mgedmin | where does it do that? | 20:15 |
| bska|mobile | I have, my @python_allversions = ('1.5','2.1','2.2','2.3','2.4'); | 20:15 |
| mgedmin | same here | 20:15 |
| SteveA | th1a: btw, jeff waugh lives in australia | 20:16 |
| jinty | I think it greps the source for #! /usr/bin/env pythonx.y | 20:16 |
| jinty | or - it does, but I dont understand where the result ends up. | 20:17 |
| th1a | SteveA: i.e. jdub? | 20:17 |
| SteveA | th1a: yes | 20:18 |
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| tvon | We should get the logbot in here for future meetings...for easy community access | 22:11 |
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