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| th1a | hi menesis, replaceafill, aelkner. | 16:30 |
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| replaceafill | good morning/afternoon | 16:31 |
| aelkner | morning | 16:31 |
| th1a | How's it going aelkner? | 16:32 |
| aelkner | i fixed the empty cell A bug in importers yesterday | 16:33 |
| aelkner | also, i changed the negative test in linked_sections.txt that took 30 seconds to a faster test | 16:34 |
| aelkner | both changes are pushed to trunk | 16:34 |
| aelkner | so now i've turned to the flexible scoresystem feature we discussed last week | 16:35 |
| aelkner | unfortunately, cando's gradebook makes a lot of assumptions about the scoresystem | 16:37 |
| aelkner | it actually has a scoresystem attribute in the Skill object that is used in cando's gradebook views | 16:37 |
| aelkner | Skills objects live outside of schoolyears, or courses or sections for that matter | 16:38 |
| th1a | WE'RE FUCKED! | 16:40 |
| aelkner | :) | 16:40 |
| th1a | Nobody ever listened to my explanation of how this all had to work. | 16:40 |
| aelkner | where's a blackboard to hit when we need one | 16:40 |
| replaceafill | :D | 16:40 |
| th1a | So, what's the upshot of this? | 16:40 |
| th1a | Hm... | 16:40 |
| th1a | So maybe I'm looking at this wrong. | 16:41 |
| th1a | Yeah... | 16:41 |
| th1a | You don't really want to define this stuff by course, etc. anyhow. | 16:41 |
| th1a | The score system should be attached to the skill. | 16:41 |
| aelkner | yeah, i was thinking that | 16:41 |
| th1a | That's the way it should work anyhow. | 16:41 |
| replaceafill | if i may | 16:41 |
| aelkner | it's live core gradebook activities | 16:41 |
| th1a | That's much more correct. | 16:41 |
| aelkner | like | 16:41 |
| aelkner | replaceafill, go ahead | 16:42 |
| replaceafill | that scoresystem attr, which to me is a hack, comes from the gradebook | 16:42 |
| replaceafill | it's not cando's fault | 16:42 |
| replaceafill | but i remember 2009 :D | 16:42 |
| replaceafill | discussing this with you two and ignas :D | 16:42 |
| aelkner | please remind us of that discussion | 16:42 |
| replaceafill | and i remember we also concluded activities should carry their own scorsystems | 16:42 |
| aelkner | they already do | 16:43 |
| replaceafill | and skills "simulate" activities | 16:43 |
| replaceafill | in the gradebook | 16:43 |
| aelkner | only simulate, that's the problem | 16:43 |
| aelkner | wait, sorry, first i interrupt, second i'm contradicting myself | 16:43 |
| aelkner | please continue | 16:44 |
| replaceafill | no, that's all :) | 16:44 |
| aelkner | oh, so th1a's point about skills having scoresystems is well taken | 16:44 |
| replaceafill | yes | 16:44 |
| aelkner | if we keep our simulation logic | 16:44 |
| aelkner | and we assume a skill is forever tied to a scoresystem | 16:45 |
| aelkner | then we are ok | 16:45 |
| th1a | Yes, that is perfectly fine. | 16:45 |
| replaceafill | +1 | 16:45 |
| th1a | Associating with courses was the wrong idea anyhow. | 16:45 |
| aelkner | we just need to change the property to find the scoresystem differently | 16:45 |
| aelkner | instead of hard-coded lookup in global container | 16:45 |
| aelkner | we need to persist the scoresystem with the skill when we save it | 16:46 |
| aelkner | and the scoresystem that would be saved with the skill would be whatever the admin user | 16:46 |
| aelkner | has selected as the cando scoresystem at the time, agreed? | 16:46 |
| th1a | No... | 16:47 |
| th1a | I think it should be explicit. | 16:47 |
| th1a | We don't need to push this to VA. | 16:47 |
| th1a | But it should be in the october release. | 16:47 |
| replaceafill | imho it's ICourseSkill who should have the scoresystem attr | 16:48 |
| replaceafill | not ISkill | 16:48 |
| th1a | What is ICourseSkill? | 16:48 |
| aelkner | class CourseSkill(SpecificationDecoratorBase): | 16:48 |
| replaceafill | it's the intermediate object that allows us to bypass the required/optional attr | 16:49 |
| replaceafill | it's what courseskillsets contain | 16:49 |
| th1a | This doesn't need to have anything to do with courses. | 16:50 |
| th1a | In fact, it probably shouldn't, we really DON'T want the same skill scored two different ways. | 16:50 |
| th1a | We REALLY DON'T. | 16:50 |
| aelkner | that's true | 16:50 |
| th1a | I had forgotten about that possibility. | 16:50 |
| aelkner | it's the same ru;le we have for core gradebook activities | 16:51 |
| aelkner | it can't make sense to have the same activity scored two ways | 16:51 |
| aelkner | that's why i sad we need to presist the scoresystem with the skill | 16:51 |
| aelkner | just as we do with the core activities, same logic | 16:51 |
| aelkner | does that make sense? | 16:52 |
| th1a | It does to me. | 16:52 |
| th1a | I just think it should be mostly explicitly set. | 16:52 |
| th1a | NOT FOR VA THIS YEAR | 16:53 |
| aelkner | when i said that above, you said, "I think it should be explicit" | 16:53 |
| aelkner | what did you mean | 16:53 |
| th1a | Just add a column to the importer for score system. | 16:53 |
| th1a | And add a field to the ttw form when you create a skill. | 16:53 |
| aelkner | ok, so you agreed with everything except the 'use the current cando scoresystem' part, right? | 16:53 |
| th1a | And really I'd rather just have that form remember what score system you used last time and use that as the default rather than have a separate "set cando score system" setting buried somewhere. | 16:54 |
| th1a | Yes. | 16:54 |
| aelkner | oh, so no global view for setting the cando score system? | 16:55 |
| th1a | Right. | 16:56 |
| aelkner | ok, so remembering what was used last time: | 16:56 |
| aelkner | that would probably need to be an annotation of the person object | 16:56 |
| aelkner | remembered for the user, not for the app | 16:57 |
| aelkner | otherwise, if one user chooses a scoresystem and that becomes the app default | 16:57 |
| aelkner | then the next user will be effected by that | 16:57 |
| aelkner | perhaps that's ok, it's your call | 16:57 |
| aelkner | it's probably only one user creating these skills anyway | 16:58 |
| aelkner | what do you think? | 16:58 |
| th1a | Just annotating the person is fine. | 16:58 |
| aelkner | ok, as far as virginia goes, there's no issue, default behavior will prevail | 16:59 |
| aelkner | if a skill has no scoresystem, i.e., set to None | 16:59 |
| aelkner | it will default to standard cando score system | 17:00 |
| aelkner | this way we need no evolution script | 17:00 |
| aelkner | and va still works | 17:00 |
| th1a | OK. | 17:00 |
| th1a | Just don't drop a change on them now. | 17:00 |
| aelkner | that's the idea | 17:01 |
| aelkner | btw, we're not so fucked as you may have thought because this is way simpler | 17:01 |
| aelkner | safer that skills have scoresystems forever | 17:01 |
| th1a | No we are not fucked at all. ;-) | 17:02 |
| aelkner | simpler in that we don't add unnecessary views to the system for managing what is currnet | 17:02 |
| aelkner | it's quite clean actually | 17:02 |
| aelkner | btw, we don't have a scoresystems import sheet | 17:02 |
| aelkner | but i guess we can assume the user will use the right id in that column | 17:03 |
| th1a | Agh. Yes, you'll have to make one. | 17:03 |
| th1a | I guess. | 17:03 |
| aelkner | that's a separate step though | 17:03 |
| aelkner | for now, we can still have the column and accept the scoresystem id and throw not found error | 17:04 |
| aelkner | btw, can the user leave it blank to default to standard cando sore system | 17:04 |
| aelkner | that would be the case for most users, won't it? | 17:04 |
| aelkner | it would be friendly to not require entry when the answer is obvious | 17:05 |
| th1a | There won't be a standard CanDo score system. | 17:05 |
| th1a | I would say that you should write a evolution script for VA that just assigns the right score system whenever we push this change to them, | 17:06 |
| th1a | rather than make the whole thing make guesses forever. | 17:07 |
| aelkner | and you're thinking that setting the cell and copying it down the whole sheet is easy enough in excel, right? | 17:08 |
| th1a | Yes... but we can just give VA a simple evolution script that sets it, right? | 17:09 |
| aelkner | in any event, we generate the Skills sheet for them, so it's just a matter of changing get_verso.py | 17:09 |
| aelkner | sure | 17:09 |
| th1a | Or that. | 17:09 |
| th1a | But this will probably be pushed on them later in the fall. | 17:09 |
| th1a | EIther way. | 17:09 |
| aelkner | we have to be careful about this | 17:10 |
| th1a | But yes, consider a score system importer part of this task. | 17:10 |
| aelkner | saying that we can push it in the fall gets in the way of when we want to quickly deliver bug fixes | 17:10 |
| th1a | That's what I'm saying, the whole thing shouldn't be pushed to VA at the beginning of the year. | 17:10 |
| th1a | No... | 17:10 |
| th1a | We just don't need to merge this to them right away. | 17:10 |
| th1a | This whole thing is not really for them at all. | 17:11 |
| th1a | But autism will probably need it, etc. | 17:11 |
| th1a | Exactly when VA CTE gets it can be decided later. | 17:11 |
| th1a | We're going to be continuing to work on CanDo stuff that isn't necessarily immediately pushed to the newly deployed VA instances. | 17:12 |
| aelkner | so this will be the first case in a while where i will develop code but not merge to trunk | 17:12 |
| th1a | Yes, you should be working on that assumption. | 17:12 |
| aelkner | i will need to push this to a separate branch which we will keep arond for later merging | 17:12 |
| th1a | Yes. | 17:12 |
| th1a | Exactly. | 17:12 |
| aelkner | ok | 17:12 |
| aelkner | i'll only make the changes that are needed in schooltool.cando | 17:14 |
| aelkner | and push to special branch | 17:14 |
| aelkner | when we want to push this to virginia, i think that's the time to worry about any evolve script | 17:14 |
| aelkner | if we decide we need it at that point | 17:14 |
| th1a | Yes. | 17:14 |
| aelkner | other option is to have them reimport after rerunning get_Verso.py | 17:15 |
| aelkner | ok, so i'm adding an annotation to Person called RECENT_CANDO_SCORESYSTEM | 17:16 |
| aelkner | if it's missing, then the skill add view will just have the dropdown say 'nothing selected' or whatever | 17:16 |
| aelkner | replaceafill, is there a better name for the annotation since we all have to look at it as developers | 17:17 |
| replaceafill | i suck at picking names aelkner :) | 17:17 |
| th1a | I have no beef with it. | 17:17 |
| replaceafill | CURRENT_... maybe? | 17:17 |
| replaceafill | instead of recent | 17:17 |
| replaceafill | we use current already somewhere | 17:18 |
| aelkner | current worksheet | 17:18 |
| aelkner | and section | 17:18 |
| replaceafill | yep | 17:18 |
| aelkner | that would be consistent then | 17:18 |
| aelkner | see, you don't suck at it like you say you do :) | 17:18 |
| replaceafill | :D | 17:19 |
| aelkner | ok, i'm done then | 17:19 |
| th1a | Thanks aelkner. | 17:20 |
| th1a | menesis? | 17:20 |
| th1a | ... | 17:21 |
| th1a | replaceafill? | 17:21 |
| replaceafill | ok | 17:21 |
| replaceafill | i cleaned the chart report code a little | 17:22 |
| replaceafill | i'm experimenting with selenium to write a test for it | 17:22 |
| replaceafill | thank God svg is markup :) | 17:22 |
| replaceafill | i'm moving stuff like colors to the python side | 17:23 |
| replaceafill | th1a, any thoughts on the autism report? | 17:23 |
| replaceafill | are we going to start with grading? | 17:24 |
| th1a | I guess we should. | 17:24 |
| replaceafill | ah ok, i'm ready when you are | 17:24 |
| th1a | Well, basically it needs to become a gradebook view. | 17:25 |
| th1a | Scores should move from the left to the right btw. | 17:25 |
| replaceafill | we're going to copy their current form? | 17:25 |
| replaceafill | ah | 17:26 |
| th1a | The basic concept will be one row per skillset. | 17:26 |
| replaceafill | you mean the old report | 17:26 |
| th1a | One column per skill | 17:26 |
| th1a | The cells will be labeled internally with gray-ed out skill labels. | 17:26 |
| th1a | Which will be replaced when you score them. | 17:27 |
| th1a | (with the scores) | 17:27 |
| th1a | So the skill columns won't really be columns. | 17:27 |
| replaceafill | wireframe! | 17:27 |
| th1a | (they will for autism) | 17:27 |
| replaceafill | :) | 17:27 |
| th1a | For starters just do | 17:27 |
| th1a | one row per skillset. | 17:27 |
| th1a | a cell per skill in the skillset to the right. | 17:28 |
| replaceafill | ok | 17:28 |
| th1a | As a grid. | 17:28 |
| th1a | (not spaced out like a form) | 17:28 |
| replaceafill | kk | 17:28 |
| th1a | OK. Cool. I'm expecting a call from dwelsh. | 17:29 |
| th1a | Talk to you later. | 17:29 |
| replaceafill | kk | 17:29 |
| * th1a drops the bag of gravel. | 17:29 | |
| aelkner | th1a, when can welsh have the section importer fix i pushed? | 18:05 |
| aelkner | i should have asked at the meeting when menesis was there | 18:05 |
| aelkner | menesis, ayt | 18:05 |
| aelkner | th1a, welsh was also asking about the cell A fix i just pushed to trunk | 18:08 |
| aelkner | can that be delivered to them soon as well? | 18:08 |
| th1a | We didn't hear from menesis. | 18:16 |
| th1a | I'll send him an email. | 18:16 |
| th1a | aelkner: You could let him test it on a demo instance. | 18:20 |
| replaceafill | th1a, i'm sync'ing the old autism branch with our new stuff btw | 18:21 |
| th1a | kk | 18:22 |
| replaceafill | th1a, do you remember when are we going to have the rest of the autism skills? | 18:32 |
| replaceafill | i remember dwelsh saying that | 18:32 |
| replaceafill | ok, pass/fail score system in place | 18:34 |
| * replaceafill goes see th1a's previous explanation about the new view | 18:34 | |
| th1a | he's working on them right now. | 18:35 |
| replaceafill | ah ok | 18:35 |
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| th1a | We have some though, right? | 18:35 |
| replaceafill | yes | 18:35 |
| th1a | Also, remember we are switching the structure so that the skill = the context (1:1, etc) | 18:35 |
| replaceafill | i just need to adjust the spreadsheet to the new format | 18:35 |
| replaceafill | that's the part i'm having trouble understanding | 18:36 |
| replaceafill | but let me read the log again | 18:36 |
| replaceafill | (slowly) :) | 18:36 |
| aelkner | th1a, welsh doesn't need to test it, we went over it together | 18:37 |
| aelkner | he just needs it delivered | 18:37 |
| aelkner | that includes the empty cell A fix i mentioned | 18:37 |
| aelkner | and the section importer fix | 18:37 |
| aelkner | how son can he have both of those? | 18:37 |
| aelkner | you said menesis is working on them now, as in released today? | 18:38 |
| menesis | replaceafill: where do I find a link to Virginia Section Report? | 18:39 |
| replaceafill | menesis, skills gradebook | 18:39 |
| replaceafill | the old one is called VA Section Report | 18:39 |
| replaceafill | the new one is called Section Summary | 18:40 |
| menesis | aelkner: I am working on virginia release at the moment | 18:40 |
| aelkner | will the cell A fix be part of that? | 18:40 |
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| menesis | and where is the skills gradebook?.. | 18:41 |
| replaceafill | menesis, CanDo tab | 18:42 |
| replaceafill | if the section's course has skills assigned, you'll see it | 18:42 |
| replaceafill | otherwise you'll only see the Projects one | 18:42 |
| replaceafill | menesis, http://69.164.203.135:6660/schoolyears/2012-2013/SY/sections/13106-45-1-1/gradebook-skills | 18:43 |
| replaceafill | eunita.winkey@apsva.us | 18:43 |
| replaceafill | passwd: teacher | 18:43 |
| menesis | I don't see those reports in my instance | 18:45 |
| menesis | but I don't have any skills in the gradebook | 18:45 |
| replaceafill | right | 18:45 |
| replaceafill | check the url | 18:45 |
| replaceafill | it should say Project something something | 18:45 |
| replaceafill | then | 18:46 |
| menesis | I get permission error when I try to add Skill | 18:46 |
| menesis | when I click on any skill in the "XXX Browse and Select Skill XXX" view | 18:46 |
| replaceafill | ah yes, that's unfinished | 18:46 |
| menesis | why are there XXX in some titles? | 18:46 |
| th1a | To keep us from forgetting... | 18:47 |
| th1a | Yes, we do need to fix those. | 18:47 |
| menesis | I see that it works in test instance | 18:47 |
| th1a | The priority here is getting the packaging pipeline running and the importer fixes out. | 18:48 |
| th1a | And letting them see a draft of the reports. | 18:48 |
| th1a | XXX's are ok. | 18:48 |
| menesis | beautiful | 18:48 |
| menesis | report | 18:49 |
| th1a | Ah, thanks. | 18:49 |
| th1a | We've been spending a lot of time on it. | 18:49 |
| menesis | aelkner: importer fixes are in schooltool 2.2.1 that I should also do after virginia (today) | 18:50 |
| menesis | ok I package whatever is finished | 18:51 |
| aelkner | menesis, does that mean welsh gets the cell A fix when he updates his instance? | 18:52 |
| th1a | Once the package is built. | 18:52 |
| menesis | true | 18:53 |
| aelkner | oh, and that's not under our control, is that what you're saying? | 18:53 |
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| aelkner | i'll let dave post his priorities | 18:53 |
| th1a | aelkner: menesis pushes the package to LP, lp builds it. | 18:54 |
| th1a | There is a little delay. | 18:54 |
| th1a | Everything is fine. | 18:55 |
| th1a | Don't get Dave worked up. | 18:55 |
| aelkner | so dwelsh needs to know what to wait for before he does the apt-get update, | 18:55 |
| dwelsh | Dave is very happy with all the great work this team is doing:) | 18:55 |
| th1a | hi dwelsh. | 18:55 |
| th1a | ;-) | 18:55 |
| dwelsh | hey | 18:55 |
| dwelsh | main priority today is the two Alan fixes to the importers | 18:58 |
| dwelsh | The "Cell A" fix and the Section Importer fix | 18:58 |
| dwelsh | getting these into the package so we can download them | 18:58 |
| dwelsh | and then get all the Arlington data imported | 18:59 |
| dwelsh | The other systems will follow us | 18:59 |
| dwelsh | Then Glenda Lewis and I have created a shared document with our bug fix and minor feature priorities | 19:00 |
| dwelsh | We will keep this very up-to-date, so th1a can triage it. | 19:01 |
| dwelsh | but again, overall, you guys are doing an awesome job | 19:01 |
| dwelsh | And the many CanDo users in Virginia are very excited about this new ST/CanDo version. | 19:01 |
| dwelsh | One last point... the Arlington teacher training on this version is two weeks from today. | 19:02 |
| dwelsh | So making sure all the data gets in this week remains highest priority | 19:02 |
| dwelsh | Making sure all basic functionality works in preparation for training will be top priority next week. | 19:03 |
| dwelsh | My sincere thank you to the whole team!!! | 19:03 |
| th1a | aelkner is working on plumbing necessary to autism -- for using two different score systems in CanDo -- but if there are fires to put out in the meantime he's the first call. | 19:06 |
| dwelsh | will do | 19:06 |
| aelkner | i'll put out any fires that welsh alerts me to | 19:07 |
| dwelsh | dwelsh goes to lunch now; then finishes autism data (tasklists #2 & #3) | 19:07 |
| dwelsh | will send that this afternoon, in prep for autism meeting tomorrow, 2pm EST | 19:08 |
| dwelsh | am meeting Glenda Lewis (CanDo trainer for all Virginia users besides Arlington) today at 3pm | 19:09 |
| dwelsh | I'll make sure she works in the "Bugs & Fixes" document | 19:09 |
| replaceafill | th1a, zyt? | 19:13 |
| th1a | yes. | 19:13 |
| replaceafill | question | 19:13 |
| replaceafill | as manager | 19:13 |
| replaceafill | http://69.164.203.135/autism_center_report/skills | 19:13 |
| replaceafill | that's the june version | 19:13 |
| replaceafill | of the imported skills | 19:14 |
| replaceafill | at that time we set the "contexts" as skillsets | 19:14 |
| replaceafill | right? | 19:14 |
| replaceafill | G, N, 1:1, S | 19:14 |
| replaceafill | and all of them have the same number of skills | 19:14 |
| replaceafill | today, we're going to invert that, right? | 19:14 |
| replaceafill | so the old skill becomes a skillset | 19:15 |
| replaceafill | and the old skillset becomes a skill | 19:15 |
| replaceafill | :| | 19:15 |
| replaceafill | or is this a "i didn't mean that at all" situation? :) | 19:16 |
| th1a | Invert. | 19:16 |
| th1a | Contexts are now skills. | 19:16 |
| replaceafill | ah | 19:16 |
| replaceafill | kk | 19:16 |
| replaceafill | got it | 19:16 |
| th1a | I discussed this with them in VA. | 19:16 |
| th1a | We just haven't gotten back to it. | 19:16 |
| replaceafill | we don't have document structure for the autism center btw | 19:19 |
| replaceafill | we're just using skillsets/skills for the moment | 19:19 |
| th1a | There's not much of a structure. | 19:21 |
| th1a | That may be it. | 19:21 |
| replaceafill | i wonder how the skills assignment view is going to react | 19:21 |
| replaceafill | we'll see in a moment | 19:21 |
| replaceafill | th1a, i decide to write a script to create the autism xls | 20:01 |
| replaceafill | since dwelsh will come with more | 20:01 |
| replaceafill | copy/paste was kind of slow :/ | 20:01 |
| dwelsh | what format do you want the "more" in? | 20:01 |
| th1a | sure. | 20:01 |
| th1a | more? | 20:01 |
| replaceafill | additional | 20:01 |
| replaceafill | extra :D | 20:01 |
| dwelsh | I used the old xls import format from CanDo 2011 | 20:01 |
| replaceafill | dwelsh, sure | 20:01 |
| th1a | extra what? | 20:01 |
| replaceafill | th1a, there are more skills than the one we have | 20:02 |
| th1a | Oh, I didn't notice dwelsh was talking. | 20:02 |
| replaceafill | :D | 20:02 |
| th1a | I thought replaceafill was talking to himself. | 20:02 |
| replaceafill | :)) | 20:02 |
| *** th1a is now known as repIaceafill | 20:03 | |
| replaceafill | :| | 20:03 |
| repIaceafill | hm... what should I have for lunch? | 20:03 |
| replaceafill | :))) | 20:03 |
| repIaceafill | Perhaps some grilled pizza. | 20:04 |
| repIaceafill | mmmm... | 20:04 |
| replaceafill | damn you! | 20:04 |
| replaceafill | >:( | 20:04 |
| repIaceafill | I'm going to take jelkner for some Friday. | 20:04 |
| replaceafill | i'll come back to providence some day! | 20:04 |
| repIaceafill | He's coming to visit. | 20:04 |
| dwelsh | the autism tasklist has groups, competencies and contexts. | 20:11 |
| dwelsh | That's an extra layer from standards VA CTE | 20:11 |
| dwelsh | (which only has groups and competencies in the tasklist | 20:11 |
| *** repIaceafill is now known as th1a | 20:12 | |
| th1a | It is less layers but I won't quibble. | 20:12 |
| th1a | :-D | 20:13 |
| dwelsh | one issue I want to raise tomorrow is whether to give each context just a check box | 20:13 |
| dwelsh | or whether to give it a true scale, say 0-3 or 0-4. | 20:13 |
| dwelsh | I learn towards a true scale, but it's whatever they want | 20:13 |
| th1a | It doesn't make any difference from my end. | 20:14 |
| th1a | I think it is unnecessary complexity, particularly at the beginning, but it isn't really my problem. | 20:14 |
| dwelsh | Let's let Celmer and his specialists hash it out | 20:15 |
| dwelsh | They know the kids; know the cases. | 20:15 |
| replaceafill | th1a, we need to give the autism center a dummy document structure | 20:38 |
| replaceafill | we have a problem | 20:38 |
| th1a | Document > group > comp > context ? | 20:38 |
| replaceafill | with no nodes, it's not possible to assign skills to a course | 20:38 |
| replaceafill | it's also not possible to "navigate" the skillsets | 20:39 |
| th1a | Do these groups dwelsh refers to exist? | 20:39 |
| th1a | Isn't document a node? | 20:39 |
| replaceafill | i think he was talking "competency group" | 20:39 |
| replaceafill | as in skillset | 20:39 |
| th1a | Do they exist? | 20:39 |
| th1a | Is there anything above comp? | 20:40 |
| replaceafill | well, i've created them as we agreed | 20:40 |
| th1a | and below doc? | 20:40 |
| replaceafill | hold on | 20:40 |
| replaceafill | let me show you the spreadsheet | 20:40 |
| dwelsh | yes, there is something above comp | 20:40 |
| dwelsh | ex. tasklist = basic skills | 20:40 |
| dwelsh | group = Joint attention skills | 20:40 |
| dwelsh | comp = follows eye gaze | 20:41 |
| dwelsh | context = 1:1, N, G, etc. | 20:41 |
| replaceafill | ah | 20:41 |
| dwelsh | 1:1/S/N/G | 20:41 |
| replaceafill | this is what i've created so far: | 20:42 |
| replaceafill | 69.164.203.135/autism_center_skills.xls | 20:42 |
| replaceafill | th1a, is that what we're aiming for? | 20:42 |
| dwelsh | we're missing the competency group names | 20:44 |
| th1a | Yes, we're missing those. | 20:44 |
| th1a | Also, just for reference, I think every "course" here will have all the skills anyhow, right? | 20:45 |
| dwelsh | I'm looking at that now. | 20:45 |
| dwelsh | The skills are slightly different in each course | 20:45 |
| dwelsh | the groups basically are the same | 20:45 |
| dwelsh | the groups ARE the same | 20:45 |
| th1a | OK, so dwelsh has to get replaceafill the info about tasklists and groups, which he does not have at all? | 20:47 |
| replaceafill | i have some | 20:47 |
| replaceafill | the groups are in the docx i think | 20:47 |
| dwelsh | I just resent the tasklist #1 -- Basic/Foundational Skills | 20:49 |
| th1a | What's the bike thing? | 20:50 |
| th1a | under program area? | 20:50 |
| replaceafill | or the xls with their form | 20:53 |
| replaceafill | but how are we going to insert them? | 20:53 |
| replaceafill | as nodes? | 20:53 |
| dwelsh | just left over from another tasklist | 20:53 |
| replaceafill | there are 9 groups | 20:53 |
| dwelsh | so the program area is now cluster | 20:53 |
| dwelsh | and it should be "Autism" | 20:54 |
| th1a | If there is only one program area we don't need it at all. | 20:54 |
| replaceafill | http://69.164.203.135/autism_center_skills_june.xls | 20:54 |
| replaceafill | the groups are in the first sheet in that version | 20:54 |
| dwelsh | well, it may be on a server with all the other clusters | 20:54 |
| replaceafill | (that's the old version) | 20:54 |
| th1a | It is a different document. | 20:55 |
| dwelsh | oh | 20:55 |
| th1a | So those skillsets are just bumped up to being nodes. | 20:55 |
| replaceafill | hhmm i haven't received my email... | 20:56 |
| replaceafill | +1 | 20:56 |
| replaceafill | so "Greeting Skills" become a node | 20:56 |
| replaceafill | with 9 skillsets associated | 20:57 |
| th1a | yes... | 20:57 |
| replaceafill | user will have to assign several nodes to a course | 20:57 |
| replaceafill | 9 assignments per course | 20:58 |
| th1a | I think we have doc > course > comp-group > skillset(comp) > skill(context) | 20:58 |
| th1a | We'll probably twiddle the skill assignment a bit. | 20:58 |
| replaceafill | kk | 20:58 |
| replaceafill | let me create the layers/nodes to see if i got it right | 20:59 |
| * th1a needs to get the kids settled. | 21:10 | |
| th1a | Let me know when you have something replaceafill. | 21:30 |
| replaceafill | th1a, kk | 21:30 |
| replaceafill | adding layers/nodes right now | 21:30 |
| replaceafill | i think copy/paste was faster for this :) | 21:31 |
| dwelsh | I just sent the two additional task lists. | 21:45 |
| replaceafill | thanks dwelsh | 21:47 |
| replaceafill | i'll update my xls with those | 21:47 |
| replaceafill | th1a, http://69.164.203.135:6661/schoolyears/2011-2012/courses/math_a/skills | 21:50 |
| th1a | I'd think these are all required. | 21:50 |
| replaceafill | they're optional | 21:51 |
| replaceafill | hhmm | 21:51 |
| replaceafill | let me think | 21:51 |
| th1a | Whatever. | 21:51 |
| replaceafill | i thought "they can mark it or not" | 21:51 |
| replaceafill | ok | 21:52 |
| replaceafill | i'll go get lunch and start with the actual view in ~30mins | 21:52 |
| th1a | kk | 21:52 |
| replaceafill | dwelsh, in the autism_complist2_emergent_skills_8-15-2012.xls file | 21:56 |
| replaceafill | should the course be Emergent Skills? | 21:57 |
| dwelsh | yes, the course is "Emergent Skills" | 21:58 |
| replaceafill | and Functional Skills for the last one? | 21:58 |
| dwelsh | I'll fix on my end too. | 21:59 |
| replaceafill | thanks | 21:59 |
| dwelsh | The 3rd course should be "Functional Skills" | 21:59 |
| replaceafill | got it | 21:59 |
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| * replaceafill is back | 22:38 | |
| replaceafill | ok, updating the skills xls again | 22:38 |
| th1a | replaceafill: We really don't need to get these imports complete or perfect. | 23:21 |
| replaceafill | almost done th1a | 23:22 |
| replaceafill | it's easier with dwelsh xls | 23:22 |
| replaceafill | get_verso.py should build the spreadsheets from dicts ;) | 23:29 |
| th1a | hrm... | 23:47 |
| th1a | We're not exactly on schedule here replaceafill. | 23:47 |
| replaceafill | working on the view th1a | 23:47 |
| th1a | I'm going to have to go make dinner in 15-30 minutes. | 23:48 |
| replaceafill | hrm... | 23:48 |
| replaceafill | i'll send you something for you to review tonight | 23:48 |
| th1a | When do you have to break for dinner? | 23:48 |
| replaceafill | when i get hungry :) | 23:49 |
| replaceafill | in like 4 hours? | 23:49 |
| th1a | Well, I'm going out at 8:00, which is in 3 hours. | 23:49 |
| replaceafill | i have to go to the grocery store too | 23:49 |
| th1a | So if I'm cooking and eating for the next hour and a half, then I can rejoin you. | 23:49 |
| replaceafill | kk | 23:49 |
| replaceafill | i think i have it clear | 23:50 |
| replaceafill | (what you want) | 23:50 |
| th1a | OK. | 23:50 |
| replaceafill | but i'll be here | 23:50 |
| th1a | All right. | 23:50 |
| th1a | I'm going to go make dinner then and I'll be back in about an hour an a half to check in. | 23:50 |
| replaceafill | cool | 23:50 |
| th1a | We have until 2:00 and just need a demo at that point. | 23:50 |
| th1a | (tomorrow) | 23:50 |
| replaceafill | i'm not worried :) | 23:50 |
| th1a | kk | 23:50 |
| replaceafill | you? | 23:50 |
| th1a | I don't know. ;-) | 23:51 |
| replaceafill | we just need the gradebook, right? | 23:51 |
| th1a | Yeah. | 23:51 |
| replaceafill | we're good | 23:51 |
| th1a | Just need to make sure it isn't a "Oh, no, that's not what I meant at all moment." all | 23:51 |
| replaceafill | no, i think i got it | 23:51 |
| th1a | kk | 23:51 |
| replaceafill | (hope so) :D | 23:51 |
| th1a | Catch you in a bit. | 23:52 |
| replaceafill | see u | 23:52 |
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