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| jstraw | welcome back aelkner | 15:32 |
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| aelkner | thanks, good to be back | 15:32 |
| aelkner | how did the meeting go yesterday? | 15:33 |
| jstraw | pretty good | 15:33 |
| jstraw | some of it is in email | 15:33 |
| jstraw | student gradebook is almost done | 15:34 |
| jstraw | and skilldriver gradebook is going to be almost identical to the section gradebook | 15:34 |
| aelkner | i didn't get any email, unless you're referring to check-ins | 15:39 |
| jstraw | hmm | 15:41 |
| jstraw | ah, a couple of them were to just me dwelsh and th1a | 15:42 |
| th1a | hm? | 15:42 |
| jstraw | the emails about the sprint and PoV | 15:42 |
| th1a | What happened with your travels, aelkner? | 15:43 |
| aelkner | my plane from vilnius was delayed due to electrical problems | 15:43 |
| aelkner | that caused me to miss my connection | 15:44 |
| aelkner | i had to walk for about four miles in the airport before i found out that there was no more flights to the us that day | 15:44 |
| aelkner | so i got a hotel room there and crashed | 15:45 |
| aelkner | i hate traveling! | 15:45 |
| th1a | Did you have to pay for the hotel room? | 15:45 |
| aelkner | yes | 15:46 |
| aelkner | they weren't gong to let me stay for free :) | 15:46 |
| th1a | OK, well, do you have a scanner? | 15:47 |
| aelkner | i don't yet | 15:47 |
| aelkner | but i could go to kinkos if i needed to | 15:47 |
| th1a | If you're going to invoice us for all this stuff it would be good to have copies of the receipts. | 15:48 |
| th1a | Then you can include cabs, etc. | 15:48 |
| aelkner | i certainly can send you a copy of the hotel invoice via mail | 15:49 |
| aelkner | should i also invoice you for transportation to and from the philly airport, also sending copies of the receipts? | 15:49 |
| aelkner | i didn't think to do that for chicago | 15:50 |
| th1a | Well... I would say include a) airfare, b) car transportation in Europe, c) Rome hotel. | 15:51 |
| th1a | But I want scans of paper receipts. | 15:51 |
| aelkner | ok, agreed | 15:52 |
| aelkner | btw, my ears didn't explode on the way back :) | 15:53 |
| aelkner | and my cold has cleared up now | 15:53 |
| aelkner | did you ever catch the cold? | 15:53 |
| th1a | Not as of yet. | 15:54 |
| aelkner | glad to hear it | 15:54 |
| aelkner | how was your flight? | 15:54 |
| aelkner | or flights? | 15:55 |
| th1a | Uneventful. | 15:55 |
| aelkner | lucky you | 15:55 |
| aelkner | fyi, don't transfer through Rome if you can avoid it | 15:55 |
| aelkner | even if my flight had been on time, i might have missed the transfer due to the lengths i had to go to get there | 15:56 |
| th1a | Well, you know... Italy. | 15:56 |
| aelkner | si, si | 15:57 |
| aelkner | jstraw: what did the email contain? could you forward it to me from your sent folder? | 15:58 |
| jstraw | yea | 15:59 |
| aelkner | thanks | 16:01 |
| aelkner | do me a favor and try to keep me in the loop regarding the sprint | 16:02 |
| aelkner | th1a: are you coming to the sprint? | 16:02 |
| th1a | Probably. | 16:02 |
| aelkner | cool | 16:02 |
| th1a | Is it the same dates? | 16:02 |
| aelkner | jstraw: i don[t hafve a calender entry for this yet | 16:03 |
| aelkner | what are the date? | 16:03 |
| jstraw | 3-6 aug | 16:03 |
| aelkner | four days? | 16:03 |
| jstraw | jeff's smoking | 16:03 |
| jstraw | I guess 4-6 | 16:03 |
| jstraw | so monday to wednesday | 16:03 |
| aelkner | smoking? | 16:03 |
| aelkner | don't get the reference | 16:04 |
| jstraw | he thinks we're gonna push to the 7th | 16:04 |
| jstraw | and make it longer | 16:04 |
| aelkner | well, it's a question of budget for the rooms and all | 16:04 |
| jstraw | half the team is going on vacation or to school the 7th/8th | 16:04 |
| jstraw | budget isn't an issue | 16:04 |
| aelkner | also, tom an i have a limit to how many days | 16:04 |
| jstraw | the issue is to finalize the rooms | 16:04 |
| jstraw | at ACC | 16:04 |
| aelkner | th1a: what would you authorize? | 16:04 |
| jstraw | and set the schedule... (because we just got word it would be at ACC) | 16:05 |
| th1a | Ah... | 16:05 |
| aelkner | yes, the ACC is much better than Galludet, but we already know that back at the beginning of the month | 16:05 |
| aelkner | are we gong to get our act in gear and finalize the dates here? | 16:06 |
| th1a | aelkner: You were planning on going to MA? | 16:06 |
| aelkner | yeah, but that was canceled | 16:06 |
| aelkner | due to lack of interest in the conference outside of our team | 16:06 |
| aelkner | so the decision was to host at the ACC | 16:07 |
| aelkner | which is a fine local | 16:07 |
| aelkner | locale | 16:07 |
| aelkner | further for you, of course | 16:07 |
| aelkner | wait | 16:07 |
| aelkner | sorry MA is maryland | 16:07 |
| aelkner | right? | 16:07 |
| aelkner | what is massachusettes? | 16:08 |
| aelkner | MS? | 16:08 |
| th1a | Maryland is MD, isn't it? | 16:08 |
| aelkner | right | 16:08 |
| aelkner | so, i was right | 16:09 |
| aelkner | did you get the emails about the cancellation | 16:09 |
| aelkner | if not, our communication sucks | 16:09 |
| aelkner | well, that might be a but harsh | 16:10 |
| th1a | I got the message. | 16:10 |
| aelkner | but it would be a good idea to widen the breadth of the emails | 16:10 |
| aelkner | oh, ok | 16:10 |
| th1a | Everything is fine. | 16:10 |
| aelkner | don't mind me, i'm not really complaining | 16:11 |
| aelkner | just striving to optimize our communications | 16:11 |
| aelkner | so how many days shoulc i be at the ACC? | 16:11 |
| th1a | I don't think three or four days makes a difference, since your travel time will be less. | 16:12 |
| th1a | But really, it is your time. | 16:12 |
| th1a | You're an independent contractor. | 16:13 |
| aelkner | right, just as long as i make my Aug 15 goals | 16:13 |
| aelkner | ok, so i'll probably go for four days | 16:13 |
| aelkner | jstraw: how soon do you think we can have this locked down? | 16:14 |
| jstraw | this week | 16:14 |
| aelkner | great | 16:14 |
| jstraw | aelkner: you should push dave for it | 16:15 |
| aelkner | will do | 16:15 |
| aelkner | so a question | 16:15 |
| jstraw | it is a substantially higher priority for you and tom to get hotels then for me | 16:15 |
| aelkner | reading Lee Capps' email | 16:15 |
| aelkner | it seems that training is being pushed to Aug11-14? | 16:16 |
| aelkner | is that true? | 16:16 |
| aelkner | would that mean that we have more time to gradebooks working? | 16:17 |
| aelkner | and use the sprint for finalizing the release? | 16:17 |
| jstraw | yea | 16:19 |
| aelkner | that's great news | 16:19 |
| jstraw | but we need to be testing | 16:19 |
| jstraw | before then | 16:19 |
| aelkner | of course | 16:19 |
| jstraw | AND they're working already | 16:19 |
| aelkner | that was the other thing i was gong to ask | 16:20 |
| jstraw | filip reports section gradebook feature complete | 16:20 |
| jstraw | and student gradebook at like 90% | 16:20 |
| aelkner | are all links in the go views working perfectly now? | 16:20 |
| jstraw | most of what is left for students is a print view | 16:20 |
| jstraw | no... | 16:20 |
| aelkner | messages? | 16:20 |
| jstraw | nope, but messages will likely be pulled from the state release | 16:20 |
| aelkner | oh? | 16:20 |
| aelkner | are you sure? | 16:21 |
| aelkner | i know they don't need it | 16:21 |
| jstraw | it certainly isn't something I think they need | 16:21 |
| jstraw | if it is totally clean we can keep it | 16:21 |
| aelkner | but if we can get it working and fully tested | 16:21 |
| aelkner | right | 16:21 |
| jstraw | but it isn't a priority | 16:21 |
| aelkner | understood | 16:21 |
| aelkner | jstraw: could you please coordinate with the four developers (as customer) on the on-going state of the go views? | 16:23 |
| aelkner | that would save me some time | 16:23 |
| jstraw | I am, but I need th1a and jinty to get me access to add committers | 16:24 |
| aelkner | indeed | 16:24 |
| th1a | Have you contacted jinty about it? | 16:24 |
| jstraw | yea I sent him an email | 16:24 |
| jstraw | a couple days ago | 16:24 |
| aelkner | that was during the weekend | 16:24 |
| aelkner | maybe they will respond soon | 16:25 |
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| Virca3780 | hi | 16:48 |
| Virca3780 | hello | 16:48 |
| Virca3780 | is there are any body here? | 16:49 |
| aelkner | yes | 16:49 |
| aelkner | how can we help? | 16:50 |
| Virca3780 | :-) | 16:51 |
| aelkner | just wanted to know if we were here? no questions? | 16:52 |
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| th1a | Virca3780 lives in Trondheim, where he studies computer engineering at NTNU. He enjoys programming and computers in general, rodents, and talking about himself in the third person. | 16:52 |
| aelkner | hehe | 16:53 |
| aelkner | an he wants to know if we really use this channel, or if it's just for show :) | 16:54 |
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| wjohnsto | aelkner, ayt? | 17:10 |
| aelkner | yes | 17:10 |
| wjohnsto | I have a quick question | 17:10 |
| aelkner | shoot | 17:10 |
| wjohnsto | ok when trying to getControl of a checkbox | 17:11 |
| wjohnsto | in a functional test | 17:11 |
| wjohnsto | is the synax getControl().selected = True? | 17:11 |
| wjohnsto | we have been messing around with it for some time, but we can't figure it out | 17:11 |
| aelkner | getControl('Text of Control').selected = True | 17:12 |
| aelkner | i think | 17:12 |
| aelkner | let me check | 17:12 |
| wjohnsto | yeah | 17:12 |
| aelkner | what type of control | 17:12 |
| aelkner | ? | 17:12 |
| whaddon | checkbox | 17:12 |
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| aelkner | getControl('Text of Control').click() | 17:13 |
| aelkner | for text boxes | 17:13 |
| wjohnsto | yea | 17:13 |
| aelkner | getControl('Text of Control').value = 'My text' | 17:13 |
| aelkner | for dropdowns | 17:13 |
| aelkner | getControl('Text of Control').value = ['the selection i want'] | 17:14 |
| aelkner | i suppose that's because with list boxes | 17:14 |
| aelkner | one could | 17:14 |
| aelkner | getControl('Text of Control').value = ['the selection i want', 'another selection i want'] | 17:14 |
| aelkner | dropdowns can have only one value of course | 17:14 |
| aelkner | but you still need to send the list of one item | 17:15 |
| aelkner | does that help | 17:15 |
| jboisture | we really just need help with checkboxs. we can't check it in the tests | 17:16 |
| whaddon | there was something about a ListControl and an ItemControl | 17:17 |
| mgedmin | ooh, testbrowser and checkboxes | 17:17 |
| wjohnsto | yea | 17:17 |
| aelkner | checkbozes are just clickable | 17:17 |
| mgedmin | took me a while to understand that part | 17:17 |
| mgedmin | testbrowser pretends that a checkbox is just like a multi-selection list box with one item | 17:18 |
| wjohnsto | so like, browser.getControl(name='name').click()? | 17:19 |
| mgedmin | so there are two controls: one for the "list box" that tou can get with browser.getControl(name="myitem") | 17:19 |
| mgedmin | and set the value with .value = [] or .value = ['value'] | 17:19 |
| mgedmin | and then there's the other control which pretends to be the "list item" | 17:19 |
| wjohnsto | mhm | 17:19 |
| mgedmin | you can get it with browser.getControl('label text') | 17:19 |
| mgedmin | and set it with .selected = True/False | 17:19 |
| mgedmin | or use .click() on it to toggle | 17:19 |
| wjohnsto | ok | 17:19 |
| mgedmin | iirc | 17:20 |
| mgedmin | I'm writing from memory, but I'm pretty sure this is accurate | 17:20 |
| mgedmin | I believe ignas once contributed a patch that allows you to use .checked as an alias for .selected | 17:20 |
| aelkner | that's the trick with testbrowser, recalling from memory :) | 17:20 |
| wjohnsto | thanks mgedmin and aelkner | 17:21 |
| whaddon | if we want a checkbox to be checked, what should the value be? | 17:23 |
| wjohnsto | we have a value attribute right now which returns False | 17:24 |
| mgedmin | hm.. ['on'] probably | 17:24 |
| mgedmin | oh? | 17:24 |
| wjohnsto | yea | 17:24 |
| wjohnsto | I believe we tried ['on'] (from browsing schooltool tests) | 17:24 |
| mgedmin | I prefer the selected = True approach, but that doesn't work when you don't have a label | 17:24 |
| mgedmin | e.g. if you have a grid of checkboxes in a table | 17:25 |
| mgedmin | and can only access them via names | 17:25 |
| wjohnsto | hmm | 17:26 |
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| whaddon | mgedmin: we're still having the same ftest problem | 18:20 |
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| ChrisW | anyone alive? :-) | 18:31 |
| wjohnsto | ChrisW: yes | 18:31 |
| ChrisW | where's the SchoolTool source repo? | 18:31 |
| wjohnsto | barely | 18:31 |
| wjohnsto | http://svn.schooltool.org/ | 18:32 |
| mgedmin | isn't that the old one? | 18:32 |
| mgedmin | isn't SchoolTool using bazaar now? | 18:32 |
| mgedmin | with the repository on launchpad.net | 18:32 |
| wjohnsto | I wouldn't know, last I know they were switching to bazaar, but I havent heard since then | 18:33 |
| ChrisW | ak | 18:33 |
| ChrisW | marius: I'm having a NameError... who's the POV guy I was chatting with lots at EPC who looks after SchoolTool? | 18:33 |
| ChrisW | (and why does schooltool.org look like a plohn site?!) | 18:34 |
| mgedmin | http://schooltool.pov.lt/docs/developers.html | 18:34 |
| mgedmin | ChrisW: ignas | 18:34 |
| ChrisW | that's the name :-) | 18:34 |
| mgedmin | and it is a plone site | 18:34 |
| ChrisW | where is he? not on irc? | 18:35 |
| mgedmin | I *think* ignas is on vacation now | 18:35 |
| ChrisW | bleugh, why why why make it a plohn site :'( | 18:35 |
| mgedmin | since I haven't seen him in the office this week | 18:35 |
| * mgedmin does not like plone's default look | 18:35 | |
| ChrisW | heh, I was a about to say "don't you guys work in the same office" | 18:35 |
| * ChrisW wants to steal ST's bootstrap.py | 18:35 | |
| mgedmin | is it ST's or is it buildout's | 18:36 |
| mgedmin | ? | 18:36 |
| mgedmin | I've seen many bootstrap.py's and they all looked the same to me | 18:37 |
| mgedmin | i.e. exec urllib.urlopen(...).read() | 18:37 |
| mgedmin | eeek! | 18:37 |
| ChrisW | ignas was very rpoud of the ST one at EPC, so I guess it's differenr | 18:37 |
| ChrisW | is there any way to browse a bzr repo on the web without having to install bzr? | 18:37 |
| mgedmin | yes | 18:39 |
| mgedmin | http://launchpad.net/schooltool | 18:39 |
| mgedmin | or, rather, https://code.launchpad.net/schooltool | 18:40 |
| mgedmin | don't ask me to explain the why of the hundreds of branches and which ones are important | 18:41 |
| mgedmin | I'd guess http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~schooltool-owners/schooltool/schooltool-2008.04/files is the one you want | 18:41 |
| mgedmin | and here's a bootstrap.py: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~schooltool-owners/schooltool/schooltool-2008.04/annotate/2420?file_id=bootstrap.py-20080509114411-0366afo6vzq7mku2-1 | 18:41 |
| ChrisW | does look quite different to the "normal" one | 18:42 |
| mgedmin | wow | 18:42 |
| mgedmin | hey, sys.exit(os.spawnve(...)) could be replaced by os.execve(...) | 18:43 |
| ChrisW | tell ignas ;-) | 18:43 |
| ChrisW | I wonder why he goes to such lengths? | 18:44 |
| ChrisW | what's his email address again? | 18:44 |
| mgedmin | ignas at pov.lt | 18:44 |
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| th1a | People who want to build SchoolTool from source should be pointed here: http://www.schooltool.org/documentation/setting-up-a-development-server/your-development-environment/ | 19:34 |
| mgedmin | th1a, do you have write access to http://source.schooltool.org? | 19:42 |
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| th1a | mgedmin: I don't think so. | 21:49 |
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