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| bskahan | th1a: I've allready reverted the section navigation link. It really shouldn't be there. | 02:20 |
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| th1a | OK. | 03:05 |
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| jinty | th1a: Are you going to make a .zip of SB1.1rc1? | 14:30 |
| mgedmin | schooltool's functional tests are broken | 14:37 |
| mgedmin | GET /frogpond/courses/history returns "A system error occurred." | 14:38 |
| bskahan | it broke in 3807 or so | 14:46 |
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| mgedmin | I am starting to hate subversion, thanks to its handling of externals | 15:26 |
| bskahan | speaking of which | 15:28 |
| bskahan | what do you think about removing the externals for zope and schoolbell from schooltool, so the schooltool tree is just that | 15:28 |
| bskahan | then having a schooltool-bundle with all the externals | 15:28 |
| mgedmin | yeah, I think having two trees would be good | 15:30 |
| mgedmin | one that a random person can just check out, type 'make', and have it running | 15:30 |
| mgedmin | and another that doesn't annoy developers too much | 15:30 |
| mgedmin | OTOH it is good when we all automatically have the exact same version of Zope 3 in our sandboxes, without spending any extra effort (other than waiting a bit) to achieve that | 15:31 |
| bskahan | :) | 15:31 |
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| mgedmin | rev 3805 broke the ftest | 15:51 |
| mgedmin | although in a different way | 15:51 |
| bskahan | mgedmin: I reverted the change from 3805 | 15:52 |
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| mgedmin | I thoguht tom asked it to be kept? | 15:53 |
| mgedmin | 3808 introduced the system error message | 15:53 |
| bskahan | he did, after I reverted it | 15:54 |
| bskahan | I have a pretty strong opinion about it though | 15:55 |
| bskahan | the sections are listed (associated with their courses) in the course index | 15:59 |
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| erchache | hi | 15:59 |
| erchache | anybody knows what happs with es_ES problem translation? | 15:59 |
| bskahan | hola erchache | 15:59 |
| bskahan | jinty is the person to ask | 16:00 |
| bskahan | when you run make update-translations the es_ES transaltion raises an error | 16:00 |
| erchache | why? | 16:00 |
| erchache | launchpad bug? | 16:01 |
| bskahan | not sure | 16:01 |
| erchache | jinty: how i can solve es_ES translation problem? | 16:01 |
| erchache | im too :D | 16:01 |
| erchache | many entries are empty because arent needed to translate....perhaps is this? | 16:02 |
| bskahan | erchache: the error has something to do with the strings having \n at the beginning | 16:02 |
| erchache | ahhh | 16:04 |
| bskahan | mgedmin: trying to track down that system error now | 16:04 |
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| erchache | perhaps last translations relatives to python daemon which includes spaces and return entries are wrong typed by meç | 16:13 |
| erchache | im going to repair it | 16:13 |
| erchache | Special characters | 16:14 |
| erchache | * • – a space character | 16:14 |
| erchache | * ? – a new line | 16:14 |
| erchache | In your translation, include spaces and new lines matching those indicated. (Don’t use these symbols). | 16:14 |
| erchache | dont use these symbols? | 16:14 |
| erchache | :S | 16:14 |
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| erchache | jinty | 16:19 |
| * bskahan get confused when plone sites suddenly say " Jy is hier" until realising I still have af as the default locale | 16:23 | |
| tvon|x31 | still using the spanish desktop? | 16:23 |
| mgedmin | bskahan, the system error message is caused by the <menuItem for="...ITimetabled" action="timetables/index.html" in rev 3807 | 16:24 |
| alga | why? | 16:24 |
| jinty | erchache: hola | 16:25 |
| jinty | sorry, I was having lunch | 16:25 |
| erchache | i see entries which uses special characters on rosetta spanish translation and perhaps here is the error | 16:26 |
| erchache | Bad Gateway | 16:27 |
| erchache | The proxy server received an invalid response from an upstream server. | 16:27 |
| erchache | this appears on launchpad....perhaps bug is there | 16:27 |
| bskahan | mgedmin: yeah, trying to figure out why | 16:27 |
| mgedmin | that would imply that zope 3 wasn't running on the server, and you got the error from apache that sits in front of it | 16:27 |
| mgedmin | erchache, perhaps you caught the time when the launchpad software is being upgraded? | 16:28 |
| erchache | 502 error | 16:28 |
| mgedmin | does the error persist? | 16:28 |
| erchache | uhmmm | 16:28 |
| erchache | yes | 16:28 |
| erchache | i will try later | 16:28 |
| erchache | :( | 16:28 |
| mgedmin | bskahan, I am going to commit a change that disables this broken menuItem directive for now -- otherwise the failure will continue to hide new ftest failures | 16:29 |
| mgedmin | just have to wait while subversion pulls a completely new full copy of the whole of zope 3 for the hundredth time toda | 16:29 |
| mgedmin | y | 16:30 |
| bskahan | hrm | 16:30 |
| bskahan | shouldn't it be pinned to the schoolbell release version of Zope3 now? | 16:30 |
| mgedmin | I used svn up -r $REV a lot when I was chasing the ftest bugs | 16:31 |
| jinty | erchache: the error from msgfmt says: msgid and msgstr entries do not both begin with \n | 16:31 |
| jinty | #: src/schoolbell/app/browser/templates/group-csvimport.pt:31 | 16:32 |
| jinty | msgid "" | 16:32 |
| jinty | "\n" | 16:32 |
| jinty | "Some Group, Some group description\n" | 16:32 |
| jinty | "Second Group\n" | 16:32 |
| jinty | "Another Group, Another description, this text will be discarded\n" | 16:32 |
| jinty | msgstr "" | 16:32 |
| jinty | "\r\n" | 16:32 |
| jinty | "Algun grupo, alguna descripción de grupo\r\n" | 16:32 |
| jinty | "Segundo grupo, alguna descripción, este texto será descartado\r\n" | 16:32 |
| jinty | for the above translation | 16:32 |
| mgedmin | where do those \r's come from? | 16:33 |
| mgedmin | rosetta? | 16:33 |
| jinty | the file was directly downloaded from rosetta | 16:33 |
| mgedmin | browsers do send CR LF characters when you add a newline to a web form | 16:33 |
| srichter | maybe someone on windows edited the file | 16:34 |
| mgedmin | I think rosetta should convert newlines to just \n | 16:34 |
| jinty | rosetta bug? | 16:34 |
| mgedmin | can somebody file a rosetta bug in malone? | 16:34 |
| jinty | I would be glad to add it | 16:34 |
| jinty | aside from that, the reason why it fails is the different number of \n's | 16:35 |
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| th1a | jinty: I'm going to make a .zip. | 16:39 |
| jinty | great | 16:41 |
| erchache | jinty: im going to solve it | 16:42 |
| jinty | erchache, go to rosetta translation number 240. | 16:42 |
| erchache | ok | 16:42 |
| jinty | there you can see one of the broken translations | 16:43 |
| erchache | eeyy | 16:43 |
| erchache | yes | 16:43 |
| erchache | how i need to do? copy paste from text and translate overwriting? | 16:43 |
| erchache | ? | 16:44 |
| jinty | where the cornered arrow indicates a new line. | 16:44 |
| erchache | Some Group, Some group description? | 16:44 |
| erchache | Second Group? | 16:44 |
| erchache | Another Group, Another description, this text will be discarded? | 16:44 |
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| erchache | i press enter to get these special character | 16:44 |
| tvon | erchache: that was meant to convey that extra values on the line would be ignored, but reading it now it is just confusing | 16:44 |
| tvon | I shall fixit | 16:44 |
| tvon | er, fix it | 16:45 |
| erchache | what do i do? | 16:45 |
| jinty | tvon: there are a couple of others like it as well | 16:45 |
| erchache | yes | 16:45 |
| bskahan | they're changed in svn | 16:45 |
| tvon | for csv importing? "Group Name, Group Description" | 16:45 |
| erchache | and daemon messages | 16:45 |
| jinty | tvon: make update-translations will give you a list of where the translations fail | 16:46 |
| tvon | ah | 16:46 |
| bskahan | tvon: take a look at course-csvimport.py | 16:46 |
| jinty | but erchache: I think in future, if you find a translation like that, make sure that your translation has the same number of newlines as there are in the text to be translated. | 16:47 |
| tvon | bskahan: eh? | 16:47 |
| erchache | :S | 16:48 |
| erchache | i make exactly translation | 16:48 |
| erchache | but help about special character are very ambigous | 16:48 |
| erchache | pecial characters | 16:48 |
| erchache | * • – a space character | 16:48 |
| erchache | * ? – a new line | 16:48 |
| erchache | In your translation, include spaces and new lines matching those indicated. (Don’t use these symbols | 16:48 |
| bskahan | I didn't like the language in group-csvimport.pt, I changed it a bit in course-csvimpot.pt but didn't go back and change all of it in group/person/resource | 16:48 |
| tvon | ah | 16:49 |
| tvon | bskahan: you said .py, confused me | 16:49 |
| erchache | on space character y press space bar | 16:49 |
| bskahan | but, we should try to get them all very similar | 16:49 |
| erchache | on new line y press enter key | 16:49 |
| bskahan | oops | 16:49 |
| jinty | erchache: tvon and bskahan are going to change schoolbell to make it easier to translate, hopefully that will solve the problems... | 16:50 |
| erchache | ok | 16:50 |
| * jinty goes to file some bugs against rosetta... | 16:51 | |
| tvon | bskahan: do you think the "this text will be discarded"/"text after a second comma" stuff should even be in there? I'm on the fence | 16:51 |
| bskahan | yes | 16:52 |
| tvon | k | 16:52 |
| bskahan | I think taking it out of the <pre> and making that bold or em might be good though | 16:52 |
| bskahan | World History, 1000 A.D. through the 20th century, <em>text after a second comma will be discarded</em> | 16:53 |
| erchache | send mail to mailing list when rosetta problems will be solved | 16:55 |
| erchache | and i restore translation on conflictive numbers | 16:55 |
| tvon | bskahan: you can have styling inside pre | 16:58 |
| tvon | erm, I'm pretty sure | 16:58 |
| tvon | 99% sure | 16:59 |
| tvon | yeah | 16:59 |
| tvon | so yeah, I'm down with em-ing it | 17:00 |
| jinty | filed two bugs on rosetta: https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone/bugs/709 and https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone/bugs/710. any more? | 17:07 |
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| bskahan | tvon: I was being lazy, is <em> xhtml 1.0? | 17:12 |
| tvon | bskahan: yeah | 17:13 |
| tvon | bskahan: wait, dunno | 17:13 |
| tvon | it's html 4 | 17:13 |
| tvon | (at least) | 17:13 |
| bskahan | tvon: it is | 17:17 |
| bskahan | I thought <em> and <strong> were, just wasn't sure | 17:18 |
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| erchache | how long are solved rosetta problems? | 19:09 |
| erchache | bskahan | 19:15 |
| erchache | th1a | 19:15 |
| erchache | tvon | 19:15 |
| erchache | how long are solved rosetta problems? | 19:15 |
| tvon | a few minutes | 19:21 |
| erchache | sure? | 19:26 |
| erchache | i say bugs 709 and 710 | 19:26 |
| tvon | resource-csvimport.pt is updated in trunk now. | 19:27 |
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| erchache | ok | 19:27 |
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| tvon | resource-csvimport.pt is updated in trunk now. | 19:28 |
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| erchache | oko ko | 19:30 |
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| tvon|x31 | erchache: sorry, my network is being bad | 19:58 |
| tvon|x31 | erchache: group-csvimport.pt is updated in trunk | 19:58 |
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| erchache | tvon: dont worry :D | 20:37 |
| erchache | im installing ubuntu on a pc to make a linux install party next tuesday | 20:39 |
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| mgedmin | schooltool.rest.app uses textErrorPage that is not defined anywhere | 21:05 |
| mgedmin | jinty, what do you think about a unit test that recurses through all schooltool tree, finds all zcml files, and fails if it finds "../" inside | 21:19 |
| srichter | I think this is a good one | 21:22 |
| srichter | port it to Zope 3 as well :-) | 21:22 |
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| SteveA | what's wrong with ../ ? | 21:43 |
| erchache | bye | 21:43 |
| erchache | :P | 21:43 |
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| mgedmin | it made jinty unhappy | 21:44 |
| mgedmin | http://issues.schooltool.org/issue228 | 21:45 |
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| SteveA | ah... | 21:49 |
| SteveA | the problem is not ../ per se | 21:50 |
| SteveA | but the problem is ../schoolbell | 21:50 |
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| srichter | yeah, but since you never know how packages are placed, it is a bad practice | 22:02 |
| srichter | or I should say risky practice | 22:02 |
| mgedmin | yes | 22:04 |
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| pcardune | just a quick question, are schoolbell and schooltool the same thing? Or are they seperate Zope components? | 23:10 |
| th1a | They are separate components. | 23:11 |
| th1a | More specifically, SchoolTool depends on SchoolBell. | 23:11 |
| pcardune | ooooh... ok, that makes things a lot clearer, i thought it was the other way around | 23:11 |
| th1a | We extracted SchoolBell from SchoolTool. | 23:12 |
| pcardune | and it seems like schoolbell is packaged with a zope3 server, but there aren't instructions for installing schoolbell into an existing zope server | 23:13 |
| th1a | There are instructions somewhere for doing that... | 23:13 |
| th1a | Although I'm not sure if they still work... | 23:14 |
| pcardune | yeah, i think i just found them... sorry for asking questions before looking for the answers.... | 23:14 |
| pcardune | they are for schooltool 0.8 | 23:14 |
| th1a | No problemo. | 23:14 |
| th1a | Oh, | 23:14 |
| th1a | Can't use that. | 23:14 |
| pcardune | at least for the linux install | 23:14 |
| th1a | That's entirely obselete. | 23:14 |
| pcardune | ok, good to know | 23:15 |
| th1a | http://source.schooltool.org/svn/trunk/schoolbell/src/schoolbell/app/README.txt | 23:16 |
| th1a | See if that works. | 23:16 |
| th1a | We could move that to a more prominent place in the source tree... | 23:16 |
| pcardune | oh, yes, that is precisely what I am looking for | 23:17 |
| th1a | Now, whether or not that works with the latest version is another question. | 23:18 |
| th1a | Let us know. | 23:18 |
| pcardune | ok, i'll try | 23:19 |
| jinty | most of that should already be set up in the tarball | 23:20 |
| jinty | as a side effect of building the translations | 23:21 |
| th1a | It's mostly changes to your Zope 3 configuration, isn't it? | 23:21 |
| jinty | yep, and putting schoolbell on the pythonpath | 23:21 |
| th1a | I don't know what happens now that SchoolBell might expect to run a second server for the XML interface. | 23:21 |
| jinty | me neither... | 23:22 |
| pcardune | well, im just getting started with Zope3 and now schooltool... I hear i should use Ubuntu for easy installation... but dont feel like reinstalling a whole new flavor of linux just yet | 23:23 |
| th1a | That shouldn't be necessary. | 23:23 |
| th1a | What are you using? | 23:23 |
| pcardune | FC3 | 23:23 |
| th1a | Actually, that reminds me, I need to ping Eric Harrison to make RPM's. | 23:24 |
| th1a | I suppose I can wait until SchoolTool is ready, too. | 23:24 |
| pcardune | yes! | 23:24 |
| pcardune | you wouldn't happen to know why the zope svn server is down? It hasn't been working for days... | 23:24 |
| th1a | There is a SchoolBell 1.0 RPM that he made for K12LTSP, but I'm not sure where you can download the package by itself (not on the ISO). | 23:25 |
| srichter | pcardune: if you are a developer, you might be interested in downloading the trunk or branch | 23:31 |
| srichter | pcardune: this way you can stay more uptodate | 23:32 |
| srichter | thanks to the test-driven development model in the larger Zope 3 community, the trunk/HEAD is often as stable as any release. | 23:32 |
| th1a | pcardune: Are you looking at our brand-new SchoolBell 1.1 release candidate or SchoolBell 1.0? | 23:33 |
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| pcardun1 | hmmm, i checked out schooltool from svn. then i went into the src directory, and copied the schooltool directory into the lib/python/ directory of my zope3 instance, made the schooltool-configure.zcml file, and restarted my zope server., and it says it cannot import Timedelta... what is Timedelta? | 23:47 |
| jinty | which version of Zope3? | 23:49 |
| pcardun1 | whatever is the latest tarball you can download from the zope site... (the svn server is down or something) | 23:49 |
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| jinty | right now we need a much more recent version of zope | 23:51 |
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| pcardune | whatever is the latest tarball you can download from the zope site... (the svn server is down or something) | 23:51 |
| jinty | there should be one in the tarball. magical reviaion 30380 if i am not mistaken | 23:51 |
| jinty | s/reviaion/revision/ | 23:52 |
| pcardune | 3.0.0 is the one i've got | 23:52 |
| th1a | pcardune: Is there some particular reason you want to run this on a separate Zope 3 server? | 23:52 |
| jinty | Nope, needs to be more recent... | 23:52 |
| th1a | I mean, in the long run it might be useful for various things, including hosting several SchoolTool instances on one server, but for getting started, it is probably more trouble than it is worth for you. | 23:53 |
| pcardune | really? I thought it would be more trouble to have more than one zope server running at the same time... | 23:54 |
| pcardune | ok, well i'll just do it the way it suggests in the latest release of schoolbell | 23:57 |
| th1a | What do you mean by 'more than one zope server?' | 23:58 |
| jinty | pcardune: please ping me if you succeed. It might be interesting to have it work out of the box from the tarball... | 23:59 |
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