IRC log of #schooltool for Friday, 2013-11-08

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th1ahi replaceafill.18:04
replaceafillhey th1a18:04
th1aSo... what's jelkner worried about?18:06
replaceafillah ok18:06
replaceafillbasically he wants to create a new section for his course18:06
replaceafillto move some students there18:07
replaceafillbut he was expecting the cando evaluations would appear in the new section18:07
replaceafilland they don't18:07
replaceafillbecause of section skills18:07
replaceafillso if you have two sections of the same course18:08
replaceafilltheir skills are different from the evaluations point of view18:08
replaceafillthat's a bug to him18:09
th1aIt is the same course?18:09
th1aI wish jelkner would try explaining his problem instead of jumping to the solution.18:10
replaceafillwhat's not clear about the problem?18:11
th1aWhy does he need to create a new section?18:11
replaceafillbecause he wants to give different quizzes to some advanced students18:12
replaceafillquizzes are "given" (deployed) by section18:12
th1aAren't they in some kind of sequence anyhow?18:12
th1aWhy not add more advanced quizzes to the same section?18:12
replaceafillbecause he says "not advanced" students feel overwhelmed18:13
replaceafillbecause they'd need to take the advanced quizzes, failing on them which affects their cando (skills) scores18:14
replaceafilli think he already tried doing it18:14
th1aDoes everyone have to take all the quizzes?  There isn't a sequence?18:14
replaceafilland that's when he identified "the problem"18:15
th1aWell, he's mis-identified it.18:15
replaceafillth1a, i agree18:15
th1aIt is a usability problem in quiz.18:15
replaceafillwe'd need to solve it in the quiz side in my opinion18:15
replaceafillhe wants a workaround18:15
replaceafillth1a, i fully agree18:15
replaceafilland no18:16
replaceafillthere's no sequence in quiz18:16
replaceafilleverybody in the section takes the quizzes18:16
th1aWe probably do need to improve some of the student views in CanDo to make it easy for kids to see their achievement across sections/courses.18:18
replaceafillleaving quiz aside, what do you think of his bug?18:19
replaceafilli mean, it looks like a valid use case?18:19
replaceafillstudent moving from one section to another in the same course18:20
replaceafilland losing his cando evaluations18:20
replaceafillnot losing18:20
replaceafilllosing isn't the right word18:20
replaceafillsince they're safe18:20
replaceafillthey just can't see them anymore18:20
th1aThat's what I was saying -- the student probably needs a better overall view.18:24
replaceafillgot it18:24
replaceafillth1a, that quiz sequence idea sounds nice... :)18:30
th1aI don't know how it would work at all without a sequence!18:31
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basic`hi there, where is the sample data for schooltool?23:32
th1aHi basic`.23:50
basic`hi th1a23:50
basic`i found the filename, i think, large_sample_data.xls ?23:50
th1aYeah, or there is a smaller one.23:50
basic`but i cannot find ... oh i found it23:50
basic` /usr/share/pyshared/schooltool/export23:50
th1aYou can also just download it via the XLS import page on your server.23:52
basic`oh there's a link, odd, i didn't see that before23:52
basic`my own fault :-)23:53
basic`thanks th1a, about to demo this to someone23:53
basic`having sample data will help a lot23:53
basic`th1a: one more question, and probably my own fault for not doing any due diligence yet...23:57
basic`th1a: is it possible to span schooltool across multiple servers for high availability, with nfs or mysql for the data store?23:58
basic`or postgres23:58
th1aWe're tied to the ZODB, I'm afraid, but you can use ZEO for multiple servers.23:58
th1aIt is enabled by default now, actually.23:59
basic`i'm not familiar with zope really... last time i touched it was trac 0.1123:59

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