IRC log of #schooltool for Thursday, 2013-08-08

replaceafillnice that glenda has everything so handy to download :)00:02
* replaceafill is downloading verso skills 201300:02
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th1areplaceafill: ayt?17:16
replaceafillth1a, yes17:16
th1aOK, just off the phone with David.17:16
th1aI was jumping a step ahead of them in the skills issue.17:16
th1aThere are a few separate parts.17:16
th1a1) The verso export script needs to create a new document for the new year.17:17
th1aSo if you want to browse the document view, it works.17:17
th1aI think that is sufficient.17:17
th1a1) make sense?17:17
th1a2) There may be an auto-match issue as I described, they haven't even actually gotten there yet.17:18
th1a3) I think we need to add a "deprecated" flag to skills and keep those out of the assignment, etc. views.17:19
th1aI mean, I think that's the easiest way to hide the old versions from teachers when they're assigning skills manually.17:19
th1aThat is, to hide last year's skills.17:20
replaceafillgot it17:20
th1aThat imposes the least changes to SchoolTool overall for their insane case.17:20
replaceafillskills have already a "retired" attribute17:21
th1aAnd then we'll just need to add the flag to the importer and you should literally be able to run last year's import sheet through with the deprecated  column checked.17:21
th1aWe're SO SMART.17:21
th1aIs that already incorporated in the views?17:21
th1aWe probably need to add it to the import sheet.17:22
replaceafilli don't think so17:22
th1aOK, we just need to fully implement it.17:22
replaceafilland it's already in the spreadsheet17:22
th1aI guess you should test/fix that today.17:23
th1aI need to look at the latest gradebook menu version still.17:23
replaceafillah ok17:23
replaceafillfor 1)17:23
replaceafillshould we ask the user some input when running the script?17:24
replaceafillthe document is set to:17:24
replaceafillcte -> id, Virginia CTE -> title17:24
replaceafilli guess we need something like "cte_2013", "Virginia CTE 2013"17:24
replaceafillok, i'll work on these, hiding is going to be fun :)17:26
th1aBad fun or good fun.17:26
replaceafillgood fun ;)17:26
th1aOK.  Also... we have some timely report feedback from Thailand.17:27
th1aBreaking some of our layouts, which is good.17:27
replaceafilldid they send you the pdf or screenshots?17:28
th1aDid somebody do the first/last split in the gradebook?17:28
replaceafillyou mean the "continued in next page"?17:28
replaceafillyou mean the first name, last name17:28
th1aNo, remember we were talking about sorting by first name?17:29
replaceafilli don't think so17:29
replaceafillat least i don't see it in trunk17:29
th1aOK, so after the CanDo stuff, let's try to buckle down on these Thailand issues I'm sending.17:29
th1aSome of them may be fixed/irrelevant in the new version.17:29
replaceafillah ok17:30
th1aI'm just going to pass it to you for the moment given my insanity here.17:30
replaceafillok :)17:30
th1aSo the new menu is smaller but still white/green right?17:30
replaceafillyou actually wanted it the same color of the popups?17:32
th1aI was curious.17:33
replaceafilli can change that quickly17:33
replaceafillgive me a min17:34
replaceafillth1a, refresh17:36
th1aI like that a little better.17:36
replaceafillme 2 :)17:36
th1aIt doesn't blend in as much.17:36
replaceafillgood call17:36
th1aOK. cool.  DONE!17:36
replaceafilli'll merge it17:36
th1aOK, I'll write an email to Welsh/Glenda.17:38
th1areplaceafill:  We may need to retire skillsets.17:46
th1aIf that's what is being matched.17:46
replaceafillyeah, i was thinking the same17:47
th1abtw, does the gradebook autocomplete work in CanDo?17:50
replaceafilli have branches for cando and the journal17:51
replaceafilli didn't set those up though17:51
replaceafilli mean in the vps17:51
th1aYou should do that after you check them into trunk.17:52
replaceafillyes th1a18:44
th1aWelsh is also having some problem with associating skills to courses manually, but you should probably sort out the other stuff first.18:44
th1aAnd then test that process yourself.18:45
replaceafilldid he send an email about it?18:45
replaceafillmy yahoo is pretty slow lately18:46
replaceafill(or thunderbird... don't know)18:46
th1aNo, it is mentioned at the end of the new google doc.18:47
replaceafillah ok18:47
replaceafillwow dwelsh writes fast :D18:48
replaceafilli check that doc early this morning and it was only half a page18:49
replaceafillth1a, refresh the autocomplete instance18:51
replaceafilli just loaded some skills18:51
replaceafilland enabled the journal18:51
replaceafillskills are for barbering 1 though ;)18:51
th1aNice.  I like it.18:51
th1aOoh... can you make tab work?18:52
replaceafillsimilar to return?18:52
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replaceafillah ok19:03
replaceafillglad to see the Manjaro user solved his problem :)19:03
replaceafillth1a, you around?19:46
th1ahi replaceafill.20:24
replaceafillhey th1a i finished 1)20:24
replaceafillwhat should we call the input20:25
replaceafilli used "postfix" :S20:25
replaceafilli'm running it in the vps right now20:25 --postfix 201320:26
th1aThe year?20:26
th1aDid you read Glenda's last email?20:26
th1aAbout Lee trying to change the title?20:27
replaceafillbut they missed the ids20:27
replaceafilli tried what they did (but correctly) and it works20:27
th1aOK.  You just can't take my explanations of what the developers are going to do too literally.  ;-)20:27
th1aI mean, they did.20:29
replaceafillyes, i noticed your "you probably shouldn't take me literally when I tell you how simple something is"20:29
replaceafillthe script should spit the right spreadsheet for 201320:30
replaceafillthey'll still need to set all the retired column in the 2012 though20:30
replaceafilli'm now adding retired for skillsets and modifying the importer20:31
th1aYeah, I don't see any way around it.20:33
th1aThey just have an incredibly complicated use case.20:33
th1aWhich is why they needed their own application...20:33
th1areplaceafill: ayt?20:58
replaceafillth1a, yes20:59
th1aLet me forward these Thai emails to you to discuss my response before I send it.21:00
th1aShit!  I ended up deleting my response in the process.21:02
replaceafilli don't see the attachments21:03
replaceafillah never mind21:04
replaceafilljust got the second email21:04
th1aDo you have the attachments?21:06
replaceafilljust the screenshot of the gradebook and the xls21:06
replaceafillnot pdfs21:06
th1aTried again...21:07
replaceafillyes, i got them now21:07
replaceafillthe export xls is definitely weird (order-wise)21:08
th1aOK, so here's 1 thing I'm thinking:21:08
th1aYes, straighten the orders out.21:08
th1aAlan is terrible with orders.  I could never remember that he had to be told that stuff.21:09
th1aThe diagonal layout only works up to a point, which is something we've known but not really dealt with.21:10
th1aSo rather than trying to be too clever about trying to guess the best way to lay something out, I think we should just give two choices in these cases.21:10
th1a1) Title or label in the header;21:10
th1a2) Diagonal or vertical.21:11
replaceafillin the request dialog?21:11
th1aSo basically if it doesn't fit diagonal/title, you can just retry with label and/or vertical.21:11
replaceafillgot it21:11
th1aAnd I'll just ask about the attendance detail thing.  We're obviously not really optimized for the missing one period a day the whole term situation.21:12
replaceafillyou had a 3rd email?21:13
replaceafillabout attendance?21:13
replaceafillgot it21:13
replaceafilldidn't read the second one closely, just focused on the attachments :D21:14
replaceafillvery scattered....21:38
replaceafillok, time for lunch, bb in ~40m21:40
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