IRC log of #schooltool for Wednesday, 2012-11-14

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alfredoparisihi, is it possible to view the full calendar for the user without login?10:42
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th1ahi replaceafill, aelkner, yvl, menesis.16:31
replaceafillgood morning/afternoon16:31
th1aHow was your flight home replaceafill?16:31
replaceafillgood, no problems at all :)16:31
replaceafillslept from 4 pm - 6 am :D16:32
replaceafilli didn't sleep the night before...16:32
replaceafillth1a, just sent you an email about labels16:33
th1aOh, so it is everything BUT the gradebook?16:34
replaceafilli think so16:34
th1aI don't think Glenda actually said anything about the gradebook.16:34
th1aI think that was my interjection.16:34
replaceafillbut the gradebook "looks" wrong16:34
th1aOK, so basically a bunch of views need to be fixed.16:34
replaceafillbecause it's showing "old" sorting16:34
replaceafilland i have to confirm the sections skills not being updated16:34
replaceafill(but i think that's the case)16:35
replaceafilli'll work on all of this today, ok?16:36
replaceafillah, and check the traceback dwelsh reported16:36
replaceafillabout the one teacher16:36
replaceafilli'm copying dwelsh latest Data.fs right now16:36
th1aAnything else replaceafill?16:39
replaceafillone question16:39
replaceafilli think aelkner can help me16:39
replaceafilli'll need to update dwelsh skills16:39
replaceafilli'm not sure, but i think we have only imported the first ones (with wrong verso sorting)16:40
replaceafilldo i need to run your script aelkner?16:40
replaceafilli don't remember that procedure very well16:40
replaceafillor maybe lee created a new xls that can be used?16:41
replaceafillwell, i'm done16:46
th1aYou could check what lee has on the CTE site now.16:46
th1aThanks replaceafill.16:46
th1aDo you have anything new menesis?16:46
menesisnew? not really16:47
menesisI have tried trystack on Monday16:47
menesisbut after many tries could not deploy a charm there16:48
menesisI get a 404 error somewhere16:48
menesisI suspect problem on their side. using openstack connector. there is also ec2 connector, but download config times out16:49
th1aI'm feeling like JuJu is too raw at this point.16:49
menesisI only missed documentation what a control-bucket is16:50
menesisbut the problem I had is more with trystack than juju16:50
menesisin local container it works16:51
th1aI think if you wanted to use it now you'd pretty much need to stick with Amazon.16:51
menesisI should try to set up a personal cloud16:52
menesisbut haven't yet16:52
th1aYou mean, other than just the local container?16:52
menesisI have submitted a bug to register schooltool in the charm store16:54
th1aWell... I'd say if you aren't ready to give up and let JuJu marinate for six months, the thing I'd be curious about would be setting up a connector.16:55
menesisbut no comments yet16:55
menesisconnector to?16:56
menesissendmail? ldap?16:56
th1aI'd say whatever makes the most sense and is straightforward to you.16:57
th1aThis is more a technology exploration than anything else.16:59
menesisyes I explored some16:59
menesismany command line tools and terms that I didn't know17:00
replaceafillon my way home i tried to create a webapp for unity + schooltool :D17:00
menesiswebapp? the new thing in ubuntu 12.10?17:01
replaceafillto integrate the dash17:01
replaceafillthey have some for lp17:01
replaceafillgmail, yahoo, etc17:02
th1aWell, that would be good for a tablet.17:02
menesisI haven't seen webapps yet17:02
menesismy main browser is google chrome that is not supported17:03
th1aSearching for a student from the dash, that's the kind of thing you're referring to, replaceafill?17:03
replaceafillwell, you can do a lot of things, but yes17:04
th1aUnity works nicely with multiple monitors in Quantal, btw.17:04
replaceafilli was trying to just logging in in my first try17:04
replaceafilli was able to install it :D17:04
th1aMore than just making an icon for the dock.17:04
replaceafillright, that's pretty simple (the icon part)17:05
menesisso what you tried to create? a scope?17:05
replaceafillis that what they're called?17:06
replaceafillthe one you get in the HUD17:06
replaceafillwhen you type commands17:06
replaceafillALT + start typing17:06
th1aHm.  So we could send notifications?17:07
replaceafillto me, they're mostly shortcuts17:08
menesisoh, for the HUD17:08
replaceafillyou type SchoolTool -> Persons17:08
replaceafilland you got to persons automatically17:08
replaceafilli really like those :)17:09
replaceafilland they're all JS17:09
replaceafillso really easy to code17:09
replaceafilland you can test them!17:09
replaceafilli didn't get that far ;)17:10
th1aIn practice, what it would be for is jumping straight to looking up a specific kid (if you're an administrator, say, getting ready for a meeting with parents)17:10
th1aor quickly getting to a specific form for a teacher to enter data.17:10
replaceafillth1a, i was thinking of that17:10
menesisdon't think search for content goes into the HUD17:10
replaceafilland we could use the same approach we use for tests in selenium17:11
menesisit is an alternative for menu17:11
replaceafilllike searching text17:11
replaceafillbut i have to try, not sure if it's possible17:11
th1aI don't think it is very important until we have Ubuntu tablets.17:11
replaceafillor free time on another flight :D17:11
th1aMessaging could be useful though.17:11
menesisyeah whatever integration in ubuntu we can do17:12
th1aOn the other side of things, I may have to order one of these:
replaceafillmessaging + background processing + reports :D17:13
menesisI guess mobile view will be needed shortly17:13
th1aThey have an ubuntu image.17:13
th1aRight, "Your report is done."17:13
menesiswith tablets in the schools getting popular17:13
th1aYes, eventually.17:14
th1aOr just apps.17:14
th1aOK.  Thanks menesis.17:15
menesisI have also looked at the cando code (for the sorting problem)17:15
menesisbut I see replaceafill is on it17:16
* menesis done17:16
th1aThanks menesis.  :-)17:16
th1aOK, aelkner, did yvl's email help?17:17
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th1aaelkner, ayt?17:20
* th1a is calling...17:23
replaceafillif case someone wants to throw up with a lousy presentator:
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th1aOK, I guess aelkner isn't feeling well.17:24
th1aThus we are done.17:24
replaceafillah ok17:24
replaceafillfeel better aelkner17:24
th1aHopefully aelkner and yvl are going to meet without me on reports tomorrow.  You might want to get in on that replaceafill if you can get up early again.17:27
th1aAnd we'll let you know about Friday.17:27
replaceafillth1a, ah sure17:27
th1aBasically you're just going to have to follow along with the discussion until we get all the CanDo loose ends fixed.17:27
replaceafillgot it17:28
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th1aHave a good week/end, replaceafill & menesis.17:35
replaceafillthanks guys17:35
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aelknerth1a, hey18:13
th1ahi aelkner.18:14
aelknerso i read yvl's instructions and i'll try them out today18:15
th1aLet me know how it goes.18:15
aelknerreplaceafill, do you still need help with the xls file?18:15
th1aDid you make any progress on a core report yesterday?18:15
aelkneri started, but nothing to show yet18:16
aelknerdid you see matt's email?18:16
aelkneri asked him to talk to welsh about the issue as well, but i don't know if he has18:17
aelknerthe question is: is it ok to have different settings for the passing scores?18:18
th1aI'll reply.18:19
aelkneri mean, does the state recognize the value of the reports on competency completion18:19
aelknerif the standard for which scores are passing varies from county to county18:19
aelknerthen, if it is in fact ok to have a different standard, how do we support that18:20
th1areplaceafill:  Can you set the cutoff in the text version of the report?18:20
th1a(as you can in the graphical)18:20
replaceafillcuttoff = 80%, right?18:20
aelkneranyway, thanks for replying to the email, and we'll see what welsh and glenda have to say18:20
th1aI mean, passing score.18:21
replaceafillth1a, then yes18:21
replaceafillby default uses minimum passing score18:21
replaceafilldo they want to "save" the value?18:21
replaceafillas in, use the same every time you access the report?18:22
replaceafill(i remember that was a question at some point)18:22
aelknerthis discussion sounds related to matt's email18:22
th1aWell, we need to let you set custom score systems in CanDo.  That's the real issue.18:22
aelkneryeah, well have that scoresystems branch out there that i created a while back18:23
th1aYes, that needs to be finished.18:23
th1aLook, Matt doesn't understand that it isn't a problem in the current CanDo for him.18:24
th1aIt's ok.18:24
replaceafillaelkner, i still need your help18:25
aelknerreplaceafill, sure18:25
aelknerth1a, i'll let you advance the points in the email thread18:25
replaceafillhold on, let me check something :)18:25
aelknerperhaps welsh and glenda can add to a concenss on the subject18:25
th1aaelkner:  It is under control.18:26
aelkneri'm not nervous, i'm just trying to support matt18:26
aelkneri'm sure you have it under control18:26
replaceafillaelkner, ok, confirmed18:27
aelknerreplaceafill, do you have the link to their apache server handy, where they post the xls file?18:27
replaceafilldwelsh server is using the first xls import18:27
replaceafillah i just closed that tab :D18:28
replaceafilllet me get it18:28
aelknerso dwelsh server still has skills with unsorted labels?18:28
replaceafillaelkner, right18:28
replaceafillaelkner, is it a matter of just importing the latest xls?18:28
replaceafillor do i need to run the script you wrote?18:28
aelkneri'm currently downloading the xls file so i can check it18:29
aelknerok, it seems that lee has not pdated the site to have the new xls file with the skilllset external ids18:30
aelknerhe has already run the script, so i don't know why he hasn't posted the results18:31
replaceafillright, i saw glenda mentioned some new_...xls file that is not there18:31
aelkneryeah, we need to get an update on the status of their use of the xls files18:31
replaceafill"I have re-imported both the current online verso_skills.xls file (dated 10/19), one dated 10/22/12 called new_verso_skills.xls, and one dated 11/13/12 called new_verso_skills.xls"18:32
replaceafilli'll ask glenda where to get the new ones18:32
aelknerright, ask her18:33
aelkneri'll talk to them later to see about getting the new xls file to be the current18:33
replaceafillonce i have the new_...xls, i just have to reimport, correct?18:33
aelknerthat's right, please backup the Data.fs just in case, but the idea is that reimport must work18:34
aelknerbecause people have already imported the old file18:34
replaceafillah ok, will do18:34
aelknerthe new file should not change any existing skills except their labels18:34
aelknerand it adds the external ids to the skillsets so that future runs of would be able to match on external id18:35
aelknerthough i need to update to use the external ids18:42
aelkneri just need them to make the new file current before i can do that18:42
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th1areplaceafill:  Just sent you an email.21:46
replaceafillah ok21:46
replaceafillth1a, looks good to me21:51
th1aRight tone?21:52
replaceafillyeah, i think it's moderate :D21:52

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