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| th1a | hi replaceafill. | 16:30 |
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| replaceafill | hey th1a | 16:30 |
| replaceafill | let me set up my instance | 16:30 |
| replaceafill | th1a, 69.164.203.135:6660/schoolyears/2012-2013/SY/sections/13106-45-1-1/gradebook-projects | 16:33 |
| replaceafill | eunita.winkey@apsva.us:teacher | 16:33 |
| replaceafill | Add -> Skill | 16:33 |
| replaceafill | "Search Skills" is actually Search, Browse and Select :D | 16:34 |
| th1a | Will it actually find a skill? | 16:35 |
| replaceafill | no, it uses the same table logic as /nodes | 16:35 |
| replaceafill | which only searches for, well, nodes | 16:35 |
| replaceafill | once you have the node you want, click on it | 16:36 |
| replaceafill | then it could contain child nodes | 16:36 |
| replaceafill | or skill sets | 16:36 |
| th1a | Could you add an individual skill if you could find it at this point? | 16:37 |
| replaceafill | it would be possible, yes | 16:37 |
| replaceafill | we'd need a really smarter filter | 16:38 |
| replaceafill | basically two options in this filter are "lies" | 16:38 |
| th1a | Do we let the user select skill set or skill in filters where those things don't actually work anywhere else? | 16:38 |
| replaceafill | correct | 16:38 |
| replaceafill | the Skill Set and Skill options don't do anything | 16:38 |
| th1a | Is that just a bug here or elsewhere? | 16:39 |
| replaceafill | because you don't have "nodes" on those layers | 16:39 |
| replaceafill | it's in /nodes too | 16:39 |
| th1a | That's a serious bug. | 16:39 |
| replaceafill | skillsets and skills are not nodes | 16:39 |
| th1a | I know, I'm just saying they shouldn't be choices in the filter then. | 16:39 |
| replaceafill | i think we could make the filter look in the skillset container too | 16:40 |
| replaceafill | but i think searching for skills may be expensive | 16:40 |
| th1a | Well, let's backtrack a second. | 16:40 |
| replaceafill | ah sure | 16:40 |
| th1a | So right now this is seriously bugged: http://69.164.203.135:6660/nodes | 16:41 |
| replaceafill | correct | 16:41 |
| th1a | But just taking out skill set and skill from the filter would fix it. | 16:41 |
| th1a | I mean, you might want to search for them, but in the meantime, that's just a missing feature, not a bug. | 16:42 |
| replaceafill | correct | 16:42 |
| th1a | But really, we should just include them in the search, because why not. | 16:42 |
| replaceafill | again, skillsets i kind of see it | 16:43 |
| replaceafill | skills, not so much | 16:43 |
| replaceafill | ofc we could fix it :) | 16:43 |
| th1a | Well, if I am a user at "search" I'm going to expect to be able to find a skill. | 16:44 |
| replaceafill | true | 16:44 |
| replaceafill | so, because of the lacking of skillsets/skills search | 16:45 |
| replaceafill | in the projects gradebook | 16:45 |
| replaceafill | i first select a node | 16:45 |
| replaceafill | which you can keep navigating from | 16:45 |
| replaceafill | or get to its skillsets | 16:46 |
| replaceafill | and then to the skills | 16:46 |
| replaceafill | when you add a skill, you really create a copy in the project gradebook, with the original skill as equivalent | 16:47 |
| th1a | ok. | 16:48 |
| replaceafill | and here i have a question about the update process | 16:49 |
| replaceafill | when the teacher grades a skill in the project | 16:49 |
| replaceafill | we should look for the equivalent (original) skill and look for evaluations on that skill | 16:50 |
| replaceafill | and update the evaluation if exist, correct? | 16:50 |
| th1a | yes | 16:50 |
| replaceafill | but, should we create one evaluation, if no previous one exist? | 16:51 |
| th1a | Yes. | 16:52 |
| replaceafill | ah ok | 16:52 |
| replaceafill | i just was wondering if this could mess up other teachers skills gradebooks | 16:52 |
| replaceafill | but they have the score history anyway | 16:52 |
| replaceafill | like "why does Tom already has a grade on this skill if i haven't graded yet?" | 16:53 |
| replaceafill | and then comes the "section in evaluations" discussion | 16:53 |
| replaceafill | but i'm still testing the update part | 16:54 |
| replaceafill | what do you think of the "adding" part? | 16:54 |
| replaceafill | is it ok? | 16:54 |
| replaceafill | ah btw | 16:54 |
| replaceafill | i kept the "New Skill" tab | 16:54 |
| replaceafill | so teachers could create new, independent skills | 16:54 |
| th1a | Well, remind me of whether or not changes in a skill by another teacher show up in the skills gradebook normally. | 16:55 |
| th1a | I'm ok with the new skill tab there. | 16:55 |
| replaceafill | th1a, i think with yvl's latest change, they wont | 16:55 |
| replaceafill | since skills in the skills gradebook are now "section aware" | 16:55 |
| replaceafill | but i'm still "grokking" that change | 16:56 |
| th1a | I think that's probably the proper behavior, but our student reports have to be aware of that. | 16:56 |
| replaceafill | ah | 16:56 |
| replaceafill | good point | 16:56 |
| replaceafill | i need to revise those! | 16:57 |
| th1a | We need to be very conscious of the distinction between: | 16:57 |
| th1a | a) student's score in a project; | 16:57 |
| th1a | b) student's score in a section; | 16:57 |
| th1a | c) student's scores overall combined. | 16:58 |
| replaceafill | reports by section should only look into the section's skills, right? | 16:59 |
| th1a | Yes. | 16:59 |
| replaceafill | what i'm going to test today is: | 16:59 |
| replaceafill | add a skill to a project, grade it and see how affects an unrelated/different section | 17:00 |
| replaceafill | it shouldn't, right? | 17:00 |
| replaceafill | if i understand yvl's latest change correctly | 17:01 |
| replaceafill | but i'll better look and test :) | 17:01 |
| th1a | We probably should change the history view to show all the assessments of the skill for the person, perhaps in separate tables. | 17:02 |
| replaceafill | separated by? | 17:04 |
| th1a | This Project | This Section | Other Projects | Other Sections | 17:04 |
| th1a | ? | 17:04 |
| replaceafill | ah | 17:05 |
| replaceafill | by context of the assessment :D | 17:05 |
| th1a | Yes. | 17:05 |
| replaceafill | ok | 17:06 |
| replaceafill | i'll finish the update behaviour and check how affects this/other sections | 17:06 |
| replaceafill | ok? | 17:06 |
| th1a | OK. | 17:07 |
| th1a | Maybe I'll ask Alan about the search. | 17:08 |
| replaceafill | kk | 17:08 |
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| th1a | replaceafill: What is a "custom competency list?" | 19:37 |
| replaceafill | th1a, i think he refers to our work with the social skills | 19:38 |
| th1a | How is this different than any competency list? | 19:38 |
| replaceafill | it's the same format | 19:38 |
| replaceafill | i just created a "translator" from the old lists he had | 19:39 |
| replaceafill | old xls format -> current xls format | 19:39 |
| th1a | So... the answer is just "Get your XLS into this format?" | 19:39 |
| replaceafill | i think so | 19:39 |
| replaceafill | the format we've used with the social skills is more user friendly i think | 19:40 |
| replaceafill | but you need to translate it anyway | 19:40 |
| replaceafill | i think dwelsh will want a similar approach | 19:41 |
| replaceafill | user friendly format -> translator -> current format | 19:41 |
| th1a | Well, the whole point of using XLS is that it is relatively easy to transform for non-programmers. | 19:42 |
| th1a | Isn't that the answer? | 19:42 |
| replaceafill | imho, the current format is not user friendly | 19:42 |
| * th1a rolls his eyes. | 19:42 | |
| replaceafill | :D | 19:43 |
| replaceafill | tell him to give it a try :) | 19:43 |
| th1a | Well, for one thing we need to update the sidebar, etc. for /import-skills.html | 19:44 |
| replaceafill | ah yes! | 19:44 |
| th1a | And provide a template. | 19:44 |
| th1a | Well, I'm kind of waiting for something to kick my butt into documentation writing mode. Maybe I should start here. | 19:47 |
| replaceafill | :)) | 19:47 |
| th1a | OK, I gotta go get Julia. | 19:48 |
| replaceafill | kk | 19:48 |
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