IRC log of #schooltool for Monday, 2012-08-13

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th1ahi menesis, aelkner.16:32
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th1ahi replaceafill.16:34
replaceafillgood morning/afternoon16:34
th1aHow are we doing menesis?16:34
menesisI have packaged 2.2.0 versions from trunks of core, gradebook, and journal16:35
menesismerged a big chunk of trunk to 2.1 branch16:36
menesisto prepare a 2.1.1 bugfix release16:37
menesisthere are quite a few bugfixes there16:37
th1aMake sure we announce it properly.16:38
menesiswill push to make it ready soon16:38
th1aGive me a heads up.16:38
aelknercan i ask about schooltool.virginia?16:38
th1aAh, yes, we need to tell menesis to do that.  ;-)16:39
th1aThat should be top priority.16:39
aelkneri just added a fix for sections import that they will want very soon16:39
th1amenesis:  We need to release a schooltool.virginia package this week.16:40
th1aIt should be pretty minimal.16:40
th1aAnd it is strictly testing at this point.16:40
menesiswith one change by Alan?16:41
th1aYou know where it is, etc. menesis?16:41
menesisVirginia sections importer needs to allow partial import16:42
menesisthis is merged16:42
aelkneri always merge to trunk16:42
menesisthere is another branch by replaceafill, section_report_charts16:43
menesisthat one is not needed?16:43
replaceafilli think it's not finished yet16:43
replaceafillwe're still working on the reports16:43
th1aWell, it needs to be merged.16:44
replaceafillwith what we have so far?16:44
th1aWould you be able to work on this tomorrow, menesis?16:44
menesisso, needs or not finished?16:44
th1areplaceafill:  We'd need another day's work I'd say.16:44
replaceafillth1a, +116:44
menesisI can do two releases if you want16:45
th1aNo... give us a day.16:45
th1aCan you do it tomorrow, menesis?16:45
menesisas you wish16:45
th1aOK, cool.16:46
th1aIs there a general pause in the Philippines work?16:47
menesisI have two small tasks at the moment.16:47
menesisbut it is working16:48
menesisand being used in schools16:48
menesisonly 8 so far, from what I heard16:48
th1aI see.  These things take time to roll out.  Even in the US.16:49
menesisbut yes, in general it has slowed down16:49
th1aOK. Maybe we'll tackle the web server later in the week then.16:49
menesiswould be good16:50
th1aI'd like to change to Google mail too.16:51
th1aWe've got all our lists onto LP, so I don't think there is any problem with that.16:51
th1aI think I'm the only one who uses it anyhow.16:51
th1aOr maybe I just need to forward it.16:52
th1a(well, that's what I do now...)16:52
th1aWe can talk about it Wednesday perhaps.16:53
th1aOK, thanks menesis.16:53
aelknerok, i made the sections import change as i mentioned16:55
aelkneralso, i saw the import bug from i don't know whom16:55
aelknerthe launchpad link for the user had no name of any other info16:56
aelknerhowever, he or she was very responsive in posting the xls file16:56
th1aThanks for picking that up.16:57
th1aSo basically they need to not mess with the terms sheet?16:57
aelkneryeah, even with the bug fix not released yet, they can get the dat to inport16:57
aelknerthey just need to fill the cells in16:58
aelknerbut, it was good that they exposed the bug, and i already merged the fix to trunk16:58
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aelknerthe only other changes i did since wed was to revert the numeric id requirement16:59
aelknermenesis had made a similar fix at some point, but i didn't know about it17:00
aelknermenesis, did my fix make sense, releasable?17:00
aelknerthere were a number of tests that had to change after the fix, so i was wondering what you thought17:01
aelknerok, in the meantime, as a result of a hangout with Dave and Glenda17:03
aelknerit became clear the the importer's handling of an empty cell in column A needed to be improved17:04
aelknerit's not enough to just end the scan of the xls file when cell A is empty17:04
aelkneri saw your note where you said i would work on that17:05
aelknerpoint 4) from dave's cando bug fixes google doc17:05
aelknerso i can do that today17:05
aelkneras everyone saw, i sent updated cando installation instructions to dave and glenda17:06
aelknerbesides your saying that 1gig was enough memory, noone found anything wrong with my changes17:06
aelkneri will be available for lee capps today at 2:00 to back him up as he does an install17:07
aelknerso, after i fix the empty cell handling in the importer, i can turn to flexible score systems if you like17:08
th1aOK, yes.17:08
aelknerwe had begun discussing the design last week17:08
aelkneri already have enough to get started, but you and i will need to talk about more soon after that17:09
replaceafillmenesis, we don't need the msttcorefonts package anymore, right?17:09
aelknermenesis, i'm still waiting for a response to my question about merging importer fix, too17:09
aelkneranyway, that's it for me17:10
replaceafilland the whole Import Competencies section in the doc is irrelevant now17:10
aelkneryeah, but they will be changing that as i mentioned in my note17:11
aelknerthey have their own site of instructions for competency setup that they will post17:11
th1aI don't think we need msttcorefonts.17:11
th1aOK, replaceafill?17:12
replaceafillth1a, i changed the bg of +80% to light purple17:13
replaceafillbut you're better picking colors :)17:13
replaceafillif anyone needs to interpolate two colors linearly sometime, we have
th1aThat's a good contrast with the green though.17:15
th1aWe'll tweak it a bit.17:15
* replaceafill is ready (ate his breakfast already)17:16
replaceafillthat's all from me i think17:16
th1aI'm going to have to eat.  ;-)17:16
replaceafillah ok17:16
replaceafilli'll be here17:16
th1aCan you start by making the cutoff settable in the sidebar?17:16
replaceafillah yes, but i didnt understand that change well17:17
replaceafillyou want the percentages in a dropdown?17:17
th1aBy tens.17:17
th1aWe'll try that.17:17
replaceafilland that will modify the lenght of the last block, right?17:17
th1aAlso, this form should remember a person's choices.17:17
th1aCan we do that?17:17
menesisaelkner: yes, your fix for importer to handle numeric cells was good. looked more or less identical to mine17:18
replaceafillth1a, i'll start with the cutoff ;)17:18
aelknerok, thanks menesis17:18
replaceafilli think we could use sessions for the remembering part17:18
th1aWell... a person would want to see it the same in later sessions.17:19
menesisreplaceafill: no, msttcorefonts is not used since schooltool 1.6 (natty)17:20
replaceafillmenesis, right17:20
replaceafillwe should tell the CTE folks is not needed anymore :)17:20
menesisbtw I would like that only one font was used in all pdf reports17:21
th1aYes... we're working on that, although it may not make the cut for this release.17:21
th1aWe'll see.17:21
menesisis that in the report look revamp plans?17:21
menesisdid I miss anything else?17:22
th1aI don't think so.17:23
th1aSend me your invoices.17:23
th1aThanks guys.17:23
th1aI think the new CanDo will be a big hit.17:23
th1aWe just need to nail down the bugs as they crop up.17:23
* th1a drops the bag of gravel.17:23
th1aI'm going to make an early lunch.17:24
* menesis late coffee17:24
* replaceafill drinks his milk ;)17:24
replaceafillwhat's the official name for the 80% mark?17:26
* replaceafill needs a label for it17:26
replaceafilli'll call it cutoff for now17:26
aelknerreplaceafill, welsh probably has a good suggestion for that, probably applicable outside virginia as well17:59
replaceafillth1a, reload, cut off filter in place18:11
replaceafilli think we should use 20% increments, to match our ticks18:12
th1aWell, people might want 10% increments.18:12
replaceafillyeah, and you can see the 10% between the ticks ;)18:12
th1aIt isn't updating the highlighting (yet).18:13
th1aThe row.18:13
replaceafilli forgot that18:14
replaceafillmy above80 css class name doesn't make sense anymore ;)18:16
replaceafillth1a, reload18:17
th1aOK, colors...18:23
th1arow highlight: #DED5E318:24
replaceafillfor +cutoff area?18:26
th1aOK, let's try something different for the cutoff18:27
th1aI think that's good.18:28
th1aMake cut off "% Passing Target"18:30
th1aDoes that seem ok?18:30
th1aPUt it above type.18:30
replaceafilli think we could use a (?) next to some of the filter headers18:32
replaceafillwith a tooltip explaining what it does18:32
* replaceafill saw that last night in a doodle18:32
th1aA doodle?18:32
replaceafilli think that's the name... :)18:33
replaceafilla software to schedule stuff18:33
replaceafillwhere people say when you have time18:33
replaceafilland the set a date based on preferences18:33
* replaceafill goes to see the actual name...18:33
th1aRegardless, the next challenge is getting some non-obtrusive scale info into this.18:34
replaceafillsee the first (Yes) (?)18:34
replaceafillexplains what the option means18:35
th1aYes, although nothing really leaps to mind as an explanation.18:35
replaceafill"changes the width of the purple area"18:35
replaceafillok, scale info...18:36
replaceafillHelp group?18:36
replaceafillwith non-modal, movable dialog?18:36
th1aScore above which is passing?18:36
th1aAnyhow... indicating the value of the tick marks.18:38
replaceafilli thought you meant all the colors in the bar18:38
th1aWe just don't need that in every row, but I'm not sure what the options are.18:38
replaceafillthe % are redundant in the passing target, right?18:40
replaceafilli mean in the dropdown of the filter18:40
replaceafillah ok18:40
th1ai think it helps a bit18:40
replaceafillth1a, reload18:54
replaceafill% Passing Target help idea18:54
replaceafillmaybe with a less intrusive icon...18:54
th1aWell, I don't think we need to get into it now.18:54
th1aI was joking about the "Score above which is passing."  ;-)18:55
replaceafilli just wanted to see how the LP icon looked there ;)18:55
replaceafillok, any decision on the ticks?18:56
th1aSo... can we add a little legend row once every 10 rows, or something?18:56
th1aWhat is possible technicall?18:56
replaceafillhhmm we could, ys18:57
replaceafillsend a flag to the js18:57
replaceafillfrom the view making the iteration18:57
replaceafilllet me try that18:57
replaceafillevery 1018:57
replaceafillwe need more students :D19:02
th1aThe first row should definitely have the scale.19:03
replaceafillit will19:03
replaceafillthe condition is: row_number % delta == 019:04
replaceafilldelta is 10 in this case19:04
replaceafilllet me add more students to the section19:05
th1aI don't see it at all yet.19:06
replaceafillchrome issue?19:06
th1aNo, that's not what I meant.19:06
th1aAt all.  ;-)19:06
th1aTicks every row.  LABELS for tics every 10, probably in a separate row.19:07
th1a100% 80% 60% 40% ...19:07
replaceafillok, reverted19:09
replaceafillhhmm insert an empty row...19:09
replaceafillah crap19:18
replaceafill-20 :(19:18
replaceafillalthough i could use a different axis for the LABELS row19:19
replaceafill(which is not there yet) ;)19:19
replaceafilli'm just trying text properties right now19:19
th1aLet me see what it gives you.19:20
replaceafilli remember there's a way to set up main and secondary ticks19:21
replaceafillmaybe that could help19:21
* replaceafill goes to see d3's doc19:21
replaceafillth1a, ticks are supposed to be percentages, correct?19:49
replaceafillwe've been testing 101, whichs is very similar :)19:50
replaceafilli'd like to use more/less skills to try the ticks19:50
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replaceafillthe section we've been using has 101 total skills20:03
replaceafilli want to test the report with 160 or something20:03
replaceafillnot so similar to 100 :)20:03
replaceafillto see the percentages working20:03
replaceafilli'm adding more skills right now20:03
replaceafilland probably more students20:04
replaceafillth1a, you have more grading to do ;)20:07
th1aOh jeez.20:07
replaceafilldon't worry, grades are not important for the ticks work20:08
replaceafill(i think)20:08
th1aCan you make thiem print in gray?20:18
th1aThe numbers20:18
replaceafilldark gray?20:18
th1aMaybe start with the subhead gray there.20:19
th1aThe "comp apps...20:19
th1a" gray.20:19
replaceafilli've got rid of the 0 and 10020:22
replaceafillin the scale20:22
replaceafillthat ok?20:22
replaceafilli haven't added the % either20:22
th1aCan you make the whole grid area big enough to show 100?20:22
replaceafillah ok20:23
th1aTry the numbers in D7DBDB20:24
replaceafillthe 100 showing reveals my background trick20:28
replaceafillfortunately i know how to fix it ;)20:28
replaceafillth1a, reload20:30
replaceafillnumbers in that color don't work20:31
replaceafillunless we start changing the chart bg ;)20:31
replaceafillhex talk from th1a :D20:32
th1a#BEAFA8 ?20:33
th1aCan we get that every 10 rows?20:33
replaceafillthe labels should appear in Ahmed's row, in Corcio's row, and so on, right?20:34
replaceafillor do you still think we need a new row?20:35
th1ano, what you said.20:35
replaceafillth1a, reload20:46
replaceafillwhat if we insert the % nex to the -20?20:47
replaceafill40 | 20% | 20 | 4020:47
replaceafillor next to the last 100 maybe?20:48
th1aIt could be every 5 easily.20:48
th1aWe need a better header label too.20:48
replaceafillbe every 5?20:49
th1a% of Skills Passing of 14720:49
replaceafillevery 5 rows20:49
th1a< % failing | % passing >20:49
th1aMaybe something like that.20:50
replaceafillevery 520:50
replaceafillchanging header20:51
th1aI'm not feeling like this is better than every row.20:51
th1aIt is too weirdly distracting.20:51
replaceafillnew header20:53
replaceafilldidn't get the < ... > part20:53
th1aMaybe "% of Skills Above and Below Passing"20:59
th1a% of Skills Below and Above Passing20:59
replaceafillbecame 2 rows21:00
th1aI guess we can put the number somewhere else.21:02
replaceafillimho we should either improve bug titles when triaging or not use them in commit messages21:07
replaceafill"Cannot import data file" doesn't tell me much about what was wrong with the importer21:08
th1aMy copy of Windows 7 just arrived.  ;-)21:11
* replaceafill notices th1a's gone to the darks side21:11
th1aWell... we may soon have people paying us to support Windows users, so you may have to come over too.21:11
th1aNow my new external DVD drive has to arrive...21:18
replaceafilldo people still use DVD drives? ;)21:19
replaceafillMS should sell ISO's now for VMs :D21:19
th1aMaybe they do...21:20
th1aBut not through Amazon.21:20
th1aWell, maybe through Amazon's cloud services.21:20
th1aHopefully this DVD drive will serve me the rest of my life.21:21
* th1a runs a quick errand.21:38
* replaceafill waits for th1a to continue :)21:38
* replaceafill goes to get lunch, back in ~3021:51
th1a /me returns.22:35
* replaceafill back22:38
replaceafillwhat's next th1a?22:38
th1aWell, my DVD player arrived so it is Windows time!  ;-)22:39
* replaceafill should not be talking about dark sides when he plays starcraft using wine ;)22:39
th1aI don't understand why after I time out on this form I can't even back arrow to it.22:40
replaceafilli can fix that now22:40
replaceafillwell, it's a worst case (the fix)22:40
replaceafillyou get redirected to the worksheets22:40
th1aOK, so put the numbers in every line.22:41
th1aand take out the (of 147) in the header.22:41
th1aOK... now, here's the hard question.22:45
th1awtf do we do about this stupid text.22:45
replaceafillas i said before, it's a viewlet22:46
th1aHow can we do this in a way that doesn't require VA to fork the whole thing.22:46
replaceafillshould live in the virginia package22:46
th1aOK, we can do that without anyone else knowing.22:46
replaceafillit's done that way22:47
th1aCan you move it?22:47
replaceafillwhat we need to move is the report :)22:47
th1aSay, to the right sidebar?22:47
replaceafilleverything is in virginia right now22:47
replaceafillit's just a template with text22:47
replaceafillwe can register the viewlet for any other manager22:47
replaceafillwe could use the "Waht is this approach"22:48
replaceafillright sidebar22:48
th1aI think it is probably better there.22:48
replaceafillok, let me do that22:48
th1aI hate to use the vertical real estate.22:53
th1aHaving the text at top above the chart.22:55
replaceafillforgot to disable the old one :)22:56
th1aCan we get rid of "What is This?"  Say "Note:" maybe?22:57
th1aI need a quick reboot to check some BIOS settings...22:57
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th1aCan we push the chart up cloaser to the header?23:06
replaceafillyou mean the table?23:07
th1aThey're both tables.23:07
th1aMake the tables closer.23:07
replaceafilli'd like to check that carefully23:08
replaceafilli know what the problem is23:08
replaceafillbut i don't know if it's going to mess with other views23:08
replaceafillwe have an empty batch div23:08
replaceafilli "think" it works when you have a filter above23:08
replaceafillbut in this case gives extra space23:09
replaceafilli'll write that down and fix it later, if that's ok23:09
replaceafillor i can track it now?23:09
th1aFix it later.23:09
th1aI think the passing highlight color is a bit too dark.23:09
th1athe 80%+ area.23:10
replaceafillyes, it's hard to see the numbers there23:10
th1aTry #E3DAE923:12
th1aYou don't really need to see the numbers per se.23:12
replaceafillnow it blends with the highlight23:13
th1aWe could make it a gradient.23:14
th1afading to the right.23:15
th1aOr maybe that's too busy.23:15
replaceafillah you mean the highligh23:15
replaceafilllet me try23:15
replaceafilldoes css have gradients..?23:15
th1aOh, no, I didn't mean the highlight.23:18
replaceafillah :(23:19
th1aJUst a sec.23:19
replaceafillit was easy with css ;)23:19
th1aI can't reload at all now.23:19
th1aMaybe you should try it.23:19
th1acan you reload the page?23:19
replaceafillhhmm yes23:19
th1aTry this for the highlight: #DFF2EA23:23
th1aOoh... Windows.23:29
th1aLet's see how this looks in IE!23:29
replaceafilldamn chrome >:(23:29
replaceafillth1a, sorry i was playing with gradients23:29
replaceafillsee how it looks i ff23:29
replaceafillchrome repeats the gradient for each cell :/23:30
th1aJust try that shade of green.23:31
replaceafillok, removing gradients first...23:31
th1aThe gradient is really nice, actually.  :-(23:32
replaceafilljust when i undid it :P23:32
replaceafillok, trying the green23:32
th1aCan we fix it for Chrome?23:32
replaceafillthere are workarounds23:33
replaceafillgreen in the highligh23:33
replaceafillah, it doesn't blend23:34
replaceafillkind of blends with the other green :(23:34
th1aIt would be good for the fade perhaps.23:37
replaceafillok, putting the gradient back with green23:38
th1aCan we make it fade to the background gray instead of white?23:42
th1aI'm not seeing it in IE 9.  ;-)23:45
replaceafillhold on23:45
replaceafilllet me try that23:45
replaceafillreload in ie923:46
replaceafillthat filter crap for ie9 is ridiculous23:46
th1aNo gradient, but I won't complain for now.23:47
th1aI'm all about IE testing now.  :-D23:47
* replaceafill removes the filter crap ;)23:48
replaceafilllook at the table header ;)23:49
th1aYEah, I don't see it.23:49
replaceafillfixing it23:49
replaceafillit's the gradient workaround :)23:49
th1aOK.  That's good for now.23:53
th1aWe need a Help thing with colors.23:54
th1aANd I need to make dinner.23:54
replaceafillthe problem i see about that is that ranges may vary23:54
replaceafillah ok23:54
th1aMaybe it should just be in the sidebar and change on the fly.23:55
replaceafillhhmm and maybe we could fill the interpolation with values we know will produce the colors..23:56
th1aOK, you can mull that over.23:56
th1aI need to cook dinner.23:56
th1aI'll check back this evening.23:56
th1aThis doesn't have to be release ready, but I think this is ok.23:56
replaceafillshould i merge to trunk now?23:57
th1aWe should get the help in.23:57
replaceafillah ok23:57
replaceafilli'll do that first then23:57
th1aOtherwise they'll ask about it immediately.23:57
th1aok, later.23:57
replaceafillsee u23:57

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