IRC log of #schooltool for Monday, 2011-08-08

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th1a hi yvl, menesis, aelkner, replaceafill.16:30
replaceafillgood morning/afternoon16:30
yvlmorning guys16:33
th1aFirst a note on my schedule -- we're going to a beach cottage today through Wednesday afternoon about an hour from here.16:33
th1aSo we need to keep this short.  Considering the overall situation I'll make the meetings the next two days.16:34
th1aI might need to download an IRC client for Jennifer's iPhone...16:34
th1aBut we're not going to be far from civilization (at all).16:34
th1aAlso, my sister-in-law's new boyfriend Sasha is with us.  He grew up in Leningrad and summered every year in Lithuania.  So we've been talking Lithuania.16:36
th1aOK, yvl, would you like to start?16:36
th1aI guess we haven't actually looked at the calendar in a bit.16:36
th1aWe should probably do that.16:36
yvlyes, please16:36
yvlI kind of finished it16:36
th1areplaceafill:  can we get the demo updated?16:37
replaceafillon it16:37
th1aOh.  Looks flourishy.16:38
th1aWe need to get rid of the rest of that blue.16:39
yvlinteresting stats: it was finished in 3.5 days excluding IRC meeting time (when I was not actually working on it)16:39
yvlor in 4 days, including meeting time16:39
yvlmake it gray, th1a ?16:39
yvl(and could you throw few links you're looking at now?)16:40
* th1a just threw his socks and underwear in the dryer.16:42
th1aHow do I add an event?16:42
th1aOh, I'm not logged in.16:43
yvlclick on calendar, as before16:43
yvlgood point, forgot the Add link16:43
th1aLocationError: (< object at 0xdf91dac>, 'layout.css')16:43
aelknerthat means the flourish view isn't defined yet16:43
yvllink please16:44
yvlhow did you get to that link?16:45
yvland I'm getting NotFound there, by the way16:45
th1aYes... wrong link.16:45
th1aWrong error.16:46
th1aHere's the right error.  ;-)16:46
yvlok, not on my instance16:47
replaceafilldo you want me to set a fresh Data.fs?16:48
replaceafillrev 305016:48
yvlvery weird16:49
yvlok, let's move on for now and get back to calendars later16:49
yvlsome merging problem probably16:49
th1aBasically the look is good.16:50
th1aGet rid of the blue, and I'll be happy.16:50
aelknernevet mind16:51
yvlreplaceafill - can't reproduce on fresh checkout of flourish sprint branch16:51
replaceafilldamn! sorry guys16:51
replaceafillmy bad!16:51
replaceafilli pasted the wrong link :(16:51
replaceafillmy apologies...16:52
yvlno prob, let's go with aelkner now16:52
th1aaelkner: We need to make the "classes you teach/classes you attend" thing smarter.16:52
th1aThat is, only show it if you do both.16:52
th1aWe should add sort by title and average.16:53
aelknerth1a, that page already only shows those choices if you do both16:53
aelknerotherwise, it auto-redirects to the one thing that you do16:54
th1aAlso, I would like a little icon next to links that have menus to indicate that.16:54
th1aaelkner, Oh, ok.16:54
aelkneras far as sort by average, the gradebook logic only supports sort by name, total, and activity16:54
aelknerbut sorting by average is the same as sort by total, right?16:55
th1aI don't think so.16:55
th1aIt is the average of the things scored, right?16:55
th1aDo you get 0 for unscored items?16:55
th1aSo they're different.16:56
th1aI'd like to have sort for average.16:56
th1aAlso, I'd like some feedback on this:16:57
aelknerthere's also N/A when there are no activities to average16:57
th1aSwitch to one Add: Activity link for all three types, selecting activity type using tertiary navigation.16:57
th1aBecause Linked Activity and Linked Column are about 20 times less commonly used than just Activity.16:58
* th1a just pulled those numbers out of his but.16:58
aelkneri'm not sure how the tertiary nac would be used here16:59
th1aJust like tabs, essentially.16:59
th1aYou'd get regular activity for by default.16:59
aelkneras far as i can see the, the tertiary nav uses links16:59
th1aThat would take you to the different form.17:00
aelkneroh, i see, clicking on the link brings the user to the add view of choice17:00
aelknerok, i can see doing that17:00
th1aBasically you need two clicks for the less common choices.17:00
th1aBut the main interface is less cluttered.17:00
aelknerok, how about report sheets?17:00
aelknerthat doesn't go in the gradebook page17:00
th1aAh, yes.17:00
aelknerthat's an admin function17:01
aelknerwith a table view17:01
aelknerwhere does the Report Shets link go?17:01
th1aWell, we're going to need to work on that, and I completely forgot about it.17:02
aelknerwell, i can add a bookmark for now for /report_sheets17:02
th1aBecause we need to centralized the management so you don't have to navigate to the years, etc. any more.17:02
aelknerreport sheet templates themselves are year independent17:03
th1aYes.  I think we still have some stuff to do in Gradebook first.17:03
aelknerok, what else?17:03
th1aGet rid of preferences.17:04
aelknerthat takes three seconds17:04
th1aAdd adding summary sheets to the worksheet view.17:04
aelkneri still haven't added title and Ave checkmarks for hide/unhide17:04
aelknerbut i'll do that next17:04
aelknerthat was going in the Name menu, remember?17:05
th1aNeed to choose score systems from total and ave without preferences view.17:05
th1aSo probably launching a modal from a menu.17:05
th1aOr maybe just doing it all in the menu.17:05
th1aWe need to clean up the text formatting here I think:17:06
th1areplaceafill:  How do you think a long comment like that should be styled?17:06
th1aAlso, I think we should add an "enable weighting" boolean to that view.17:07
th1aSo that it is clear if it is "on" or "off"17:07
th1aOr something.17:07
th1aMaybe just a message.17:07
th1aJust a "No category weights set." message.17:08
th1aI guess that's enough.17:08
replaceafillth1a can't think of a different way than regular p's17:08
yvland add edit icon next to it17:08
th1aIt seems to have too little bottom margin.17:08
aelknerreplaceafill, why is the Name link not centered like the Total and Ave are?17:09
replaceafillaelkner, no reason, i just put it on the left17:09
th1aOh... I don't think the form should have a table in it.17:10
th1aJust a regular form.17:10
aelknerwhat form?17:10
aelknerit already IS a form17:11
th1aIt has a table in it, right?17:11
* yvl cannot recall how he got to this page:
aelknerah, you mean make it use widget rows instead of table and <tr>17:12
aelknerbut what about the <p>?17:12
th1areplaceafill:  Try to find an example of how Canonical handles text above a form.17:13
th1aThey have to have some examples of that.17:13
th1aOr maybe they put it inside the form box.17:13
th1aRegarding the worksheet page, I don't think we want to put add summary in the sidebar.17:14
th1aIt probably needs the same kind of treatment it has now.17:14
th1areplaceafill:  That's ALL different!17:15
aelknerthe worksheet page?  that's the gradebook17:15
aelkneryou'd like a add summary section at the bottom of that?17:15
th1aI'm not crazy about putting it there, but I guess.17:16
aelknerafter the Done button, of course17:16
th1areplaceafill:  One of the styles needs to be tweaked to put more space under the paragraph in our form.17:17
replaceafillth1a will check it17:19
replaceafillcan't find a good example in :(17:19
th1aaelkner:  I guess you can start on the report sheet template views.17:19
th1aaelkner, They're pretty straightforward.17:19
th1areplaceafill, I think we just need to add a header and get a little more spacing underneath.17:20
th1aIs the problem that forms have so little top margin?17:20
aelknerth1a, ok, i have plenty to do now17:20
replaceafillsince we didnt have paragraph above them until now17:21
replaceafilland paragraphs only have 8px for margin-bottom17:21
th1aWe may just need a different class for form explanation paragraphs.17:21
replaceafillth1a correct17:21
th1aThanks aelkner.17:21
th1aOK, replaceafill, you're up.17:21
replaceafillth1a ah ok17:21
replaceafilli want your opinion on two things17:21
replaceafilli added the "link an existing section" view17:22
replaceafillcould you please click the "Link an Existing Section" in Q417:22
replaceafillin that page17:22
replaceafillyou should get a modal17:24
th1aLooks ok.17:24
th1aMaybe a little jumbled.17:24
replaceafillyvl could you try that too please?17:24
* yvl is looking at that17:24
th1aDid I design this?17:24
replaceafillah, yvl question about the dialogs17:25
replaceafillyvl search for an instructor name17:25
replaceafilland you'll see the dialog being re-rendered a little below its original posiitoin17:25
yvlyes, the dialog jumps down17:25
* yvl does not remember how to fix that off hand17:25
replaceafillah ok17:25
replaceafillnever mind then17:26
replaceafillth1a it's mostly the old view made a dialog17:26
replaceafillif it's ok, i'll move on to my next questions17:26
yvlI think that jump is a glitch in jquery17:26
replaceafilli added the "Pack Database" action17:27
replaceafillit will pack the database when you click it17:27
replaceafilland you'll get only a confirmation dialog17:27
th1aThe instructor part should be reformatted to look more explicitly like a search widget.17:27
th1aAnd I think the information at the top might be more confusing then helpful (the table, that is).17:27
th1aAt least, looking at it with fresh eyes I found it more confusing than helpful.17:28
replaceafillth1a i was thinking of putting that info in the dialog's title17:28
th1aI like the title now.17:28
replaceafillah ok17:28
replaceafilli'll take the table out and show it back later17:29
replaceafilland style the search widget17:29
th1aWhat else?  Starting the Journal?17:30
replaceafilli think i'll have the mail journal view ready by tomorrow17:30
replaceafilli spent some time playing with the left/right columns17:31
th1aYes, I distracted you.17:31
th1aFor a good cause.  ;-)17:31
replaceafilli have more questions, but not important stuff17:31
replaceafillthey can wait17:31
replaceafillthat's it from me17:32
th1aOK.  Thanks.17:32
th1aSo I feel like we're pretty much on track for our self-imposed feature freeze deadline.17:32
th1aWe may still be finishing interventions, which is no big deal.17:33
th1aI had been feeling like blowing through the deadline for a reports overhaul, which would probably take about a week for someone.17:33
th1aI'm leaning against that.17:33
th1aLeaning toward being pretty strict about not adding new stuff after Thursday.17:34
th1aThere is still a lot to do.17:34
th1aBreadcrumbs, etc.17:34
th1amenesis:  I'm thinking a milestone release around the 18th might be good.17:35
th1aIf not before.17:35
th1aOK.  I'm going to the beach.17:36
menesiswill have in mind17:36
th1aCatch you tomorrow.17:36
* th1a drops the bag of gravel.17:36
replaceafillenjoy th1a17:36
replaceafillsorry again for screwing yvl's report17:36
yvldon't worry, happens ;)17:37
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