IRC log of #schooltool for Monday, 2011-05-02

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ignasmenesis, yvl: any of you tried building PIL using buildout on Ubuntu 11.4 ?14:30
menesisignas: probably. I have changed PILwoTk to PIL everywhere. Using Ubuntu 11.4 for more than three weeks14:31
ignasdid you try making a clean build?14:32
menesisdon't know14:32
ignasI am having problems with /usr/lib/ being moved to /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu14:32
menesisbut yes I have been removing eggs from buildout cache14:33
menesiscan try again14:33
ignasjust wondered maybe you hit that problem already14:33
ignasor maybe it is not present in PIL14:33
ignaswill try PIL now, maybe that will help14:33
ignasthe problem being - pil gets built without support for anything14:34
ignasno zlib/png, no jpeg14:35
ignasyeah, PIL is giving me the:14:39
ignas*** ZLIB (PNG/ZIP) support not available14:39
ignasi mean14:39
menesisyeah, I get the same..
* ignas has no clue how to fix that yet14:42
ignasgot it14:57
ignasworks on my machine certified :)14:58
ignaswell, hope they'll fix it in 6 months15:05
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th1ahi replaceafill, aelkner, menesis, yvl.16:32
th1a& ignas.16:32
yvlhi guys16:32
replaceafillgood morning/afternoon16:32
th1amenesis:  I pushed some changes to to bzr.16:33
th1aIf you'd like to take a look and deploy them.16:34
th1aaelkner:  Why don't you start us off.16:34
aelknerso i finished the score systems container changes16:35
aelkneri sent a note to the list about the new branch i pushed16:37
yvlSorry, haven't replied to that yet16:37
yvlin short - it's fine16:37
yvlit would be nice to create the score system container on app satrtup16:38
yvlinstead of trying to do that on adapter lookup16:38
yvlthat's the only comment I got now :)16:38
aelknerapp startup is always run AFTER all evolution is done, tight?16:39
aelknerwell, then i could make that small change16:40
yvlon a related note, there's a bug in Zope on utility unregistration16:41
yvlbut I'm working around that now16:41
yvlas in - works, but need to finish tests16:42
yvlsorry for interruption, please continue16:43
th1aIs that related to the bug discussed last week?16:43
th1aOK, so are you moving on then, aelkner?16:44
yvlyes, th1a it's that bug16:45
aelknerbesides the app startup change which i can make today, yes16:46
th1aOK, so you're all set?16:47
aelknerwell, i need to choose which thing to do next16:48
aelkneri have two gradebook tasks related to the journal16:48
aelkner1) add 'Jornal Average' to drop-down in Add External Activity view16:49
aelkner2) create Abs. and Trd. columns in gradebook preferences16:49
aelknerwhich would you prefer done first16:49
th1aIt doesn't matter.16:50
th1aOK, I think we're good.16:50
aelknerafter i do the app startup fix, i'll pick one and send you a time estimate16:51
th1aHow about you send me an estimate for both.16:51
th1aThanks aelkner.16:52
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replaceafillafter our meeting last week i investigated how to make a "landscape" page in rml16:53
replaceafilli "kind of" succeded:
replaceafillhowever i don't think that's useful for reading the data in the reprots....16:53
replaceafilli mean, i was expecting a landscape view like the one you get in openoffice16:54
replaceafillthe image above rotated -90 degrees16:55
th1aYou should be able to rotate it in your viewer.16:55
replaceafillcrtl + left!!!16:56
replaceafillexcellent :)16:56
replaceafillok, now i can live with it16:56
replaceafilli also worked in the second issue i had last week related to the khmer fonts16:56
th1aI imagine there is some way to signal to the viewer how to orient it, but I wouldn't get hung up on that now.16:57
replaceafillbasically i reproduced
replaceafillregister the khmer ttf directory in the search path16:57
replaceafilland added a mapping for the khmer basic font16:58
replaceafilland it works, the font gets embeded in the pdf16:58
replaceafillso, i think i'm ready to show the reports to chandara16:58
th1aGood.  Can you mix them in the same pdf?16:58
replaceafillmix them?16:59
th1aKhmer and latin?16:59
replaceafillah, no i couldnt do that, because we have only one mapping16:59
replaceafillif i do addMapping('Arial_Normal', 0, 0, 'Arial_Normal')17:00
th1aCan you mix them in the same SchoolTool instance (different reports)?17:00
replaceafillth1a i can use the khmer fonts as base17:00
replaceafilli mean, the khmer font has latin and khmer17:00
replaceafillin it17:00
th1aOh, ok.17:01
replaceafilli'll merge all these little changes and set an instance for them to see17:01
replaceafillin other news, i'll leave tomorrow for uruguay17:01
replaceafillto edujam 201117:01
th1aExcellent.  Looking forward to seeing it.17:01
th1aAh yes, we need to discuss that.17:01
replaceafillth1a correct, maybe after the meeting?17:02
th1aSo let's move on.17:02
th1amenesis:  Anything to report?17:02
th1aor... yvl?17:05
* yvl poked menesis :)17:05
menesislast week I was finalising 1.6 release17:06
menesiscreated 1.6 dir on ftp, stable series in launchpad, branched tools for 1.617:07
menesisupdated older series as well17:07
menesistrunk is now open for development17:08
menesisI still have brave branches to merge17:08
menesisfirst is intervention refactoring17:08
th1aI don't need a super-detailed report since we last met on Wednesday.17:09
menesisalso, was discussing things with debian pkg-zope developers17:09
menesisthere is some activity on debian17:09
menesisthey are taking my changes, doing their own work17:09
menesisasked why I did some things17:10
menesisoneiric is now open for development17:10
menesisI already have some changes in it17:10
aelknermenesis, how soon will the journal independence branch you made be in tuunk?17:10
menesissync from debian has also started17:10
menesisso I will have to handle merges from debian soon17:11
menesisI should commit my changes to debian now17:11
aelknermenesis, sorry to interrupt17:11
th1aTo Zope packages?17:11
menesispackages that are in debian already17:12
menesisI would like to work on this this week17:12
th1aSo at some point we can think about getting SchoolTool into Debian, I guess?17:12
menesissometime in the future17:13
th1aYes.  It is not a high priority.17:13
menesisI only need to merge my changes to debian packages back to debian17:13
menesisthat's all from me17:15
th1aThanks menesis.17:15
aelknercan i ask something17:15
menesisbtw, I will work only 3 days this week17:15
menesisflying for a weekend in London Wed night17:16
aelknermenesis, my next tasks involve gradebook/journal integration17:16
th1amenesis:  OK.17:16
aelknershould i branch your branch?17:16
menesisthis one is merged17:16
menesisinto trunk17:17
aelknerso i can branch schooltool.gradebook trunk?17:17
menesisand released as 0.9.017:17
menesisto clarify, yes, lyceum.journal is now optional in gradebook17:17
aelknerok, cool, thanks17:17
menesiswhat task is it?17:18
menesisok I see in the log17:19
th1aOK, yvl?  Anything to report?17:21
yvltook 3 days off + 1 day Easter holiday last week17:21
yvlapart from that, I worked a bit on UI17:21
yvland debuged the local adapter registry persistance today17:22
yvlcame up with a hack, so ST starts without gradebook17:22
yvlthat's that.17:22
th1aOK, thanks yvl.17:23
th1aI'm thinking that when we do the website design/branding we should just go ahead and get a design for buttons, menus, (the visual design) etc. at the same time.17:25
th1aSince that'll be happening at roughly the same time, and the exchange rates are favorable.17:25
th1aConsistent color palette.17:25
th1aAlso, send invoices.17:26
yvldo you mean button/menu design for ST?17:26
th1ayvl:  Yes.17:27
th1ayvl, menesis:  Actually, don't send invoices until I send an email about bonuses.17:27
yvlwe should have working mockups first though17:27
yvlI meant mockups :)17:27
th1aYou've got at least a month.17:27
yvloh... ok :)))17:27
th1aThey're busy.17:28
th1aWhich I take as a good sign.17:28
* yvl agrees17:28
th1aOK, let's finish on time!17:29
th1aHave a great week gentlemen!17:29
* th1a drops the bag of gravel.17:29
replaceafillthanks everybody17:30
th1areplaceafill:  back in five minutes.17:30
replaceafillth1a cool17:30
aelknergreat week everyone17:30
yvlgreat week to you all :)17:31
th1aHi replaceafill.17:36
replaceafillhey th1a17:36
th1aSo... I basically see this as a way to raise our profile w/OLPC folks and do some networking.17:36
replaceafillgot it17:37
th1aDo you have anything more specific in mind?17:37
th1aCertain people you want to talk to?17:38
replaceafilli was thinking of looking for people we already know are interested in schooltool17:38
replaceafilli remember tony anderson was interested17:38
replaceafillthere's a chance people from nepal come17:38
th1aI think it might be good to mention SchoolTool is being used in Classmate deployments.17:38
replaceafillalso, matt gallagher ported aks work to fedora 1417:39
replaceafilli was thinking of doing a demo if i have the chance17:39
replaceafilli mean, showing that schooltool already works in f1417:40
th1aWhat's your sense of the state of OLPC server in general?17:40
th1aI mean, is there a functioning official version?17:40
replaceafillno, i sense after talking to jelkner and the theehouse guys (bernie, dogi, etc) that it's been abandoned for some time17:41
replaceafillthere was a thread started by jelkner with this issue17:41
th1aThat's what I thought.17:42
replaceafilland it seems like they're moving to a version of redhat, but no timelime was mentioned17:42
th1abtw, Vivian started asking last week about the green computers sitting on my shelf, so it looks like I'm going to be updating my XO's soon...17:42
replaceafilli'm taking mine with me to uruguay17:43
replaceafillalso matt wrote some instructions to have the services running in fedora 14, i'll try to set that up17:43
replaceafill(identity, backup, etc)17:43
replaceafill+ schooltool17:43
th1aSo basically you're talking to individual deployments rather than one entity.17:43
th1aThere is not one OLPC server to get added to.17:45
replaceafillah, right17:45
th1aBut presumably each country is doing something on their servers.17:45
th1aI guess finding out what they're doing for a SIS would be another important goal.17:46
replaceafillby "they" you mean...?17:46
replaceafill(i assume people interested in schooltool dont use a SIS) :p17:47
th1a"They" meaning different OLPC deployments.17:48
replaceafillgot it17:48
replaceafillth1a silly question17:48
replaceafillcan schooltool be defined as "educational software"17:48
replaceafill(if that's the right term...)17:48
replaceafillah yes, it's "educational software"
replaceafillbecause to me, educational software is the one you use to learn...17:49
replaceafilli think ours is administrative...17:50
th1aI would not call it "educational software."17:50
yvlisn't it supposed to be administrative? ;)17:51
replaceafillyvl :P17:51
replaceafillth1a so, to sum up, networking and findings about their SIS's would be a positive outcome17:52
replaceafillgreat! wish me luck :)17:52
th1aGood luck!17:52
th1aDid you end up flying direct?17:52
replaceafilli'll leave at 1pm to panama and then to montevideo, i'll arrive at 4am...17:53
th1aSounds like fun.17:56
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fsufitchaelkner: ping21:11
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aelknerfsufitch, hey21:25
aelknerare you available today?21:25
fsufitchaelkner: yes, we agreed on this21:25
aelkneri thought so, but you didn't get back to me before leaving friday, so i wasn't sure21:26
aelknerin any event, you were in the middle of creating the z3c form, using the gradebook example21:27
fsufitchand i got right back to that21:27
fsufitchi didn't really have anything significant at the end of fri to send you, sorry21:28
aelknerthat's ok, i just thought i'd focus you in on copying the example structure over21:28
aelknerbut, you can pick it up today any way you want21:29
aelkneri'm ust trying to make sure the tasks are always broken up into small enough chunks21:29
aelkneranyway, just let me know if you have any questions21:30
fsufitchyup, will do21:32
th1areplaceafill: zyt?22:01
replaceafillth1a yes22:01
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