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| jelkner | th1a: still here? | 03:21 |
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| th1a | Yes. | 03:21 |
| jelkner | can you call me? | 03:22 |
| jelkner | 703-228-5771? | 03:22 |
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| th1a | Yes. | 03:22 |
| jelkner | thanks! | 03:22 |
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| jelkner | http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org_app/take/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2011/orgapp | 03:55 |
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| th1a | hi aks. | 05:59 |
| aks | th1a: hello | 05:59 |
| th1a | Do you have any ideas about how we might use a Nepali intern in the US? | 05:59 |
| th1a | Specifically the person I email you about? | 06:00 |
| aks | th1a: I've cc'ed the mail to our ED Mr. Rabi Karmacharya, awaiting reply from him | 06:00 |
| th1a | OK. It is kind of a unique situation so it might take a while to think of something. | 06:01 |
| aks | th1a: ok | 06:03 |
| th1a | On the other hand, it is a unique situation we should be able to take advantage of somehow. ;-) | 06:04 |
| aks | th1a: definitely | 06:05 |
| aks | th1a: what's the progress with schooltool development? | 06:09 |
| th1a | Well, we're working on a variety of things. | 06:10 |
| th1a | Working on a bunch of requests from Cambodia. | 06:10 |
| th1a | Still re-doing timetables, which is a complicated job, to make them more flexible, particularly for changes during the year. | 06:10 |
| th1a | Doing some cleanup of the interventions system. | 06:11 |
| th1a | Getting ready for a big user interface update. | 06:11 |
| th1a | We've gotten new packages into Ubuntu Universe in the next release, which is a big step for us. | 06:13 |
| svaksha | th1a: hello. could you provide a link for the cambodian requests | 06:13 |
| th1a | hm... | 06:13 |
| th1a | I have an email. | 06:13 |
| svaksha | local schools here had some requests so i'd like to read up and find similarities | 06:14 |
| th1a | Sure. Can I forward the email to you? | 06:14 |
| aks | th1a: ok | 06:14 |
| aks | th1a: also I need to gear up to the next release so that I could prepare the RPMs again | 06:14 |
| th1a | We'll be making a few changes to the packages in the next month or so. | 06:15 |
| th1a | So there is no rush. | 06:15 |
| th1a | svaksha: Do I have your email? | 06:15 |
| svaksha | th1a: do you mean last months mails? i've not mailed you this week (if that is what you mean) | 06:16 |
| svaksha | month's | 06:16 |
| th1a | Oh, I do have it. ;-) | 06:17 |
| svaksha | :) | 06:17 |
| th1a | OK. Sent. | 06:18 |
| aks | svaksha: nice to see your name written in Devnagri | 06:20 |
| svaksha | aks: thanks :) but its not my name, rather a nick | 06:31 |
| aks | svaksha: oh ok | 06:31 |
| svaksha | it means "beautiful eyes" in Sanskrit, also philosophically signifies void, null, zero. | 06:32 |
| aks | svaksha: ok | 06:35 |
| svaksha | aks: my irc client is set to not accept PM's. Let me whitelist your nick | 06:37 |
| aks | svaksha: ok | 06:37 |
| svaksha | done, but you will need to resend the msg as i cant read pm's otherwise | 06:38 |
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| replaceafill | th1a, usability question | 16:22 |
| th1a | Yes? | 16:23 |
| replaceafill | in cambodia, teacher and student add forms have (or will have) a field to assign the teacher or student to a subject (teachers) or class (students) | 16:23 |
| replaceafill | this means that i need at least sections for those to work "properly" | 16:24 |
| replaceafill | for sections i need a term and a school year | 16:24 |
| replaceafill | so i was thinking of not allowing to add teachers or students unless you have sections | 16:24 |
| replaceafill | does that make sense? | 16:25 |
| th1a | Well... | 16:25 |
| replaceafill | or should we support the "add all the person first" approach | 16:25 |
| th1a | I think we probably need to do that. | 16:25 |
| th1a | Or we need to completely change the way you set up SchoolTool to be more sequential. | 16:26 |
| replaceafill | i was thinking of hiding things: like the those fields in the forms, or the links to add teachers/students if there are no sections | 16:27 |
| replaceafill | but hiding sounds "not cool" | 16:27 |
| replaceafill | i mean, it can be confusing, right? | 16:27 |
| replaceafill | unless it's documented! | 16:27 |
| th1a | Grayed out? | 16:27 |
| replaceafill | ah! disabled! | 16:27 |
| replaceafill | better | 16:27 |
| replaceafill | and a message in the teachers index view, saying that 'you dont have sections, etc etc', same in the students index view | 16:28 |
| replaceafill | thanks th1a, i'll try the grayed out approach first | 16:29 |
| * replaceafill is scared of the wizard like approach... | 16:29 | |
| th1a | Sounds good. | 16:34 |
| svaksha | th1a: saw your mail and replied with some data on local schools. | 17:30 |
| th1a | I just started to forward it to replaceafill. | 17:30 |
| svaksha | btw is the "fee collection" available as a separate module? | 17:30 |
| th1a | No. | 17:30 |
| svaksha | so there is no finance module? | 17:31 |
| th1a | There is not at this point. | 17:32 |
| svaksha | ok | 17:32 |
| th1a | I'm not sure what you mean here: allow all subjects to be | 17:33 |
| th1a | sorted/listed so that a consolidated view of teachers 'subject-wise' | 17:33 |
| svaksha | if the user chooses a subject (say, math) s/he can see a listing of all teachers who teach the subject. <--isnt that the feature or have i misunderstood? | 17:35 |
| th1a | Yes, I believe so. | 17:36 |
| replaceafill | svaksha, actually, it will be a form field that will allow you to assign a teacher to a subject (math) in a class (9A) | 17:37 |
| replaceafill | you should be able to assign the same teacher to multiple subjects + classes | 17:37 |
| svaksha | replaceafill: right | 17:37 |
| replaceafill | 9A - Math, 10A - Math, etc | 17:37 |
| svaksha | in primary classes (grade 1-5) one teacher takes multiple subjects | 17:38 |
| svaksha | ^^here | 17:38 |
| replaceafill | svaksha, correct, the same in cambodia (1-6) | 17:38 |
| replaceafill | and here, in el salvador :) | 17:38 |
| svaksha | replaceafill: ah, i was about to ask if you are from cambodia :) | 17:39 |
| * svaksha <--india | 17:39 | |
| * replaceafill <-- el salvador :) | 17:39 | |
| svaksha | :) | 17:39 |
| replaceafill | for primary schools it will feel kind of difficult having to assign a teacher to multiple subjects | 17:40 |
| replaceafill | i was thinking of decomposing the widget some way to make this easier | 17:40 |
| svaksha | that feature isnt present atm | 17:40 |
| replaceafill | no, not yet | 17:41 |
| * svaksha was experimenting with dummy data in the software | 17:41 | |
| replaceafill | svaksha, are you using the ubuntu packages? | 17:41 |
| svaksha | yes | 17:41 |
| replaceafill | the cambodia customization looks much simpler | 17:42 |
| replaceafill | they wont use lots of options (timetables, calendar, etc) | 17:42 |
| replaceafill | and they have specific requests, like the primary/secondary teacher assignment | 17:43 |
| svaksha | ah, we have a more complex system --0]state board schools, 1]CBSE and 2]ICSE system of schools | 17:44 |
| svaksha | each one has their own grading /teaching format | 17:44 |
| svaksha | each one has a distinct curriculum, different timetables, calendar, and examination format too | 17:46 |
| replaceafill | svaksha, what is a "mark"? | 17:46 |
| svaksha | it might sound like ordered chaos :) | 17:46 |
| replaceafill | svaksha, ah never mind, i just saw the table below :) | 17:49 |
| svaksha | replaceafill: marks == each subject (say math final examination) would be for a total of 100 marks. If the student scores 35 marks out of 100 they are given a grade F (fail), if 90/100 then A+ | 17:49 |
| replaceafill | marks ~= points? | 17:49 |
| svaksha | no | 17:50 |
| svaksha | marks are what a student scores | 17:50 |
| svaksha | each question would carry 1mark, 2 marks , etc.. | 17:50 |
| svaksha | depending on the subjective /objective type the answers will be scored by teachers | 17:51 |
| th1a | That's a raw point value or translated into a grade? | 17:52 |
| svaksha | if its a 3-mark question and the student write an incomplete answer they may score just 1 our of 3 marks | 17:52 |
| svaksha | th1a: its counted as marks . all the multiple answers graded this way get totalled to arrive at final marks score , which is then translated to a grade | 17:53 |
| * svaksha wonders if she made sense | 17:53 | |
| th1a | These conversations are always difficult because different systems use the same terms differently. | 17:53 |
| svaksha | :) | 17:54 |
| th1a | Perhaps "marks" in India are like "points" in the US? | 17:54 |
| svaksha | perhaps, but afaik the US students are not graded at all. I recall seeing just A/B+/A-, etc | 17:55 |
| svaksha | when i asked the teachers they said they didnt give marks | 17:55 |
| th1a | Hm. | 17:55 |
| * svaksha never quite figured out how they arrive at the grade :) | 17:55 | |
| th1a | Well, you generally have a certain number of possible points, and then the student scores a certain number, and you generally derive a percentage and then turn that into a grade (A, B, etc). | 17:56 |
| th1a | Like, you get 75% on one test, 83% on an essay, and that equals a "C." | 17:57 |
| svaksha | ah, so a sttudent scoring 79% gets grade 'C'. | 18:00 |
| th1a | Yes. | 18:01 |
| svaksha | how about the test--does the student have a similar pattern of questions with each question carrying equal marks? | 18:03 |
| svaksha | here, we have a range -- 1-mark to 15/20 marks per question | 18:03 |
| svaksha | the larger the mark the toucher it is to score | 18:04 |
| th1a | I think those would be "points." | 18:04 |
| svaksha | tougher* | 18:04 |
| svaksha | ah, ok | 18:04 |
| th1a | The number of marks determines the ultimate percentage? | 18:04 |
| svaksha | yes | 18:04 |
| svaksha | if you dont answer a 15-mark question you lost that many points | 18:05 |
| th1a | OK. I think marks = points. | 18:05 |
| svaksha | yes | 18:06 |
| replaceafill | :) | 18:06 |
| svaksha | replaceafill: sorry , i didnt know what points are :) | 18:06 |
| th1a | We've done this kind of thing many times. ;-) | 18:06 |
| replaceafill | np, i didnt know about marks :D | 18:06 |
| th1a | replaceafill: I have a Natty image running on the PandaBoard now. | 18:07 |
| replaceafill | everything still disappointingly easy? | 18:07 |
| replaceafill | :) | 18:08 |
| th1a | No... I tried and failed twice to do it by dist-upgrade. | 18:08 |
| th1a | So I had to ask on irc where the pre-built images are. | 18:08 |
| th1a | And dist-upgrade takes about 16 hours. | 18:08 |
| replaceafill | !!! | 18:08 |
| th1a | Yeah, so if we actually used this we'd be shipping major upgrades on SD cards and storing the school data on a separate drive. | 18:09 |
| th1a | Which is actually a pretty good system anyhow. | 18:09 |
| th1a | Just duct tape the upgrade to a postcard. | 18:10 |
| replaceafill | most of the 16 hours is decompress and setup packages? | 18:10 |
| th1a | Yeah. That kind of read/write is slow on an SD card, apparently. | 18:10 |
| replaceafill | right | 18:10 |
| th1a | It isn't processor bound. | 18:10 |
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| th1a | For some reason on the PandaBoard the Gnome System Monitor will take 105% of cpu if you turn the graphs on. | 18:35 |
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| th1a | Trying apt-get install schooltool in Natty... | 20:33 |
| th1a | (on ARM) | 20:33 |
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| th1a | Hmm... python-zope.html fails. | 21:23 |
| * replaceafill should install natty to test schooltool... | 21:24 | |
| th1a | Alpha 3 is due soon. | 21:24 |
| th1a | I'm afraid the PandaBoard is pokey running off the SD card -- a known issue. | 21:25 |
| th1a | I may need to build a bigger case. | 21:25 |
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| th1a_ | replaceafill: I may have to try one of these - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820211478 | 21:56 |
| * replaceafill has his eyes put in bestbuy atlanta for this: Intel® - X25M Mainstream Solid State 80GB Internal Serial ATA Hard Drive for Laptops | 21:57 | |
| th1a_ | Well, I'd just want the cheapest thing that was reasonable. | 21:57 |
| th1a_ | And has a usb interface. | 21:58 |
| replaceafill | ubuntu (and i guess debian too) has this usb bug that i hate, you start transfering big files to your usb flash drive really fast and then it get slower and slower and sloooower | 22:00 |
| th1a_ | Is that because of USB? | 22:00 |
| th1a_ | Or flash? | 22:00 |
| replaceafill | i remember it had something to do with sync operations | 22:01 |
| th1a_ | Maybe they have no cache or something. | 22:01 |
| * th1a_ waves hands. | 22:01 | |
| th1a_ | SSD would make my demo box more impressive, and more like something you'd use in production. | 22:03 |
| replaceafill | :D | 22:03 |
| th1a_ | I should probably check to see what kind of drive would also fit in my ThinkPad if necessary. | 22:07 |
| replaceafill | i was reading this review of a guy who bought a super mega disk and it was too tick for his laptop! | 22:08 |
| th1a_ | tick? | 22:08 |
| replaceafill | oops, thick | 22:10 |
| replaceafill | :) | 22:10 |
| th1a_ | Yeah, you'd want to be careful about that. | 22:10 |
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| th1a | OK, I've got SchoolTool running on Natty on the PandaBoard. | 23:09 |
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| menesis | th1a :) good news | 23:21 |
| menesis | is it very slow? | 23:21 |
| th1a | Well... the desktop is. | 23:21 |
| th1a | I suppose I didn't try that at all on the SheevaPlug (since it has no monitor jack). | 23:22 |
| th1a | So that's partly coloring my perception right now. | 23:22 |
| th1a | I need to start it at a server runlevel. | 23:22 |
| th1a | But also, it apparently just runs slow off the SD card. | 23:22 |
| th1a | In any event, I don't think the PandaBoard would quite make a good general purpose desktop computer yet. | 23:23 |
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