IRC log of #schooltool for Monday, 2010-01-04

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th1agood morning yvl, menesis, aelkner, replaceafill, Lumiere.16:30
aelknergood morning and Happy New Year16:31
yvlmorning th1a16:31
yvlhappy New Year to all!16:31
replaceafillgood morning16:31
th1aHappy New Year!16:31
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th1aSo... first off, sorry about the awkward situation here re:Mark.16:34
yvlno problems, th1a16:35
th1aI'm sure everything will be straightened out once he's back from vacation.16:35
th1aSo right now I'm trying to get menesis's new PPA to work.16:36
th1aI have a new Karmic install after wiping my laptop.16:36
th1aAnd it just doesn't seem to be seeing the new repository.16:37
menesis"the new repository" is only for testing, I will move things over to the main ppa soon16:38
th1aWell, testing in the sense that it should work now?16:39
th1aOh.. IN ADDITION TO the current one.16:39
menesisth1a: yes, in addition16:42
menesismany packages need not be updated or were compatible16:42
th1aInstalling now.16:42
th1aI just didn't read carefully enough.16:42
th1aOK... priorities...16:43
th1ayvl: What's on your list?16:44
* th1a is trying to re-load SchoolTool into his brain.16:44
yvlI'm twiddling with translations16:44
yvlI'd like to modify how Makefiles compile translations a bit16:45
yvladded sorting to extraction of translation strings16:45
yvlas diffs are to messed up to read16:45
yvlI'm looking to move translation .po/.pot files few folders up16:46
yvlstuff like that16:46
yvladd minimalistic automated testing16:46
yvlfor translation strings16:46
yvlthen improve tests in securitypolicy16:47
yvlalso, play with Sphinx:16:47
yvlI'd like to start slowly building developers handbook16:47
yvlthat would describe how to develop schooltool, explain certain modules, etc.16:48
th1aHm... can we get the other module permissions listed in our readout of that?16:48
th1aOur security page?16:48
yvlbut someone needs to write descriptions16:48
yvland they are a bit tricky to do16:48
yvlthats why I want to start documenting ST16:49
th1aIs there something I should be doing to help?16:49
yvlI can do the descriptions; but that's not enough16:49
yvlno, th1a, it's just code documentation16:49
th1aWe should get that done quickly enough that we have time to review and adjust the permissions after I can get a good look at them.16:50
yvlbut I'd like someone else to do the descriptions16:50
th1aOh, you mean aelkner, because they're his modules?16:51
yvljust to test if the documentation is clear enough for at least two people in the world16:51
yvlyes :)16:51
yvlI would be grateful16:51
aelknerwhat do i need to do exactly?16:51
th1abefore we get into the particulars...16:51
th1aWhat's on your plate, aelkner?16:52
aelkneri still have a few gradebook bugs, most of which are small in scope16:52
aelkneri also have one quick schooltool navigation bug16:52
th1aSo a few days' work on medium bugs?16:53
aelkneralso a couple that i'm not sure about, like
aelknerbut i'd about a week's worth16:54
yvlcan export/import bugs wait for few weeks?16:55
replaceafilli could help with the export bug16:55
th1aWe just want that for the next release, I'd say (major release).16:55
aelknerso that's it for me16:55
th1aOK, so perhpas yvl should explain the security descriptions thing and aelkner could work on that.16:56
yvlI want to rewrite our exporters/importers a bit16:56
yvlumm, the thing about security descriptions is that they might be tricky to get right16:57
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yvland I'm going to document several more interesting cases + general usage16:57
aelknerso i should wait for that, right?16:57
yvlIf Alan could wait for it...16:57
aelkneri have other things to do16:58
aelknerjust send me an email when you have something for me16:58
yvlyes, as you would also check if the documentation is clear enough16:58
yvlETA ~ Wed16:58
th1aSounds good.16:59
th1aI think there is one major feature I'm going to have aelkner work on for the next release.16:59
th1aBasically, states for persons (students).17:00
th1apre-enrollment, enrolled, post-enrollment, "deleted."17:00
yvlumm, post-enrollment?17:00
th1aWell, maybe a different name.17:01
aelkneryeah, when they leave school their records still need to be kept17:01
yvland pre-enrolled would be...?17:01
th1aWithin each allow the school to customize some states.17:01
th1aSo you'd have in post-enrolled, "graduated," "withdrawn," "died," etc.17:02
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aelknerit will be tricky to have views react to user-created states though17:02
th1aIn particular in private schools you might have a number of pre-enrolled states.17:02
th1aApplication pending, application accepted.17:03
yvlah, I see17:03
th1aaelkner, not that tricky.17:03
aelknerwell, if the state is only to be displayed, then no17:03
yvlit's something like a very custom demographics field17:04
yvl(Name, Type)17:04
yvl("died", "post-enrollment")17:04
yvl("application pending", "pre-enrollment")17:04
yvlviews reacting to the "type"17:04
yvlusers selecting the name17:04
yvladmins customizing the list17:04
th1aI think so.17:05
aelkneri see17:05
th1aI'll probably get aelkner up here as soon as we know we still have a paying project to hash out the details.17:06
aelknerand yvl, too, right?17:06
th1aWell, there probably won't be time.17:06
th1aIt isn't really that complicated.17:06
aelknerand the sprint we discussed?17:06
th1aWe'll get yvl over as soon as we can, but that'll take a little longer than getting you on a Southwest flight up here.17:07
aelknerso my next visit won't be the sprint this month as we had thought17:08
th1amenesis: So I should suggest our friends in Cambodia should try the packages in your new repo?17:08
th1aaelkner: We'll probably want an intermediate visit.17:08
menesisth1a: no, that doesn't make sense17:08
menesisI have made feature releases to the main PPA17:09
th1aWhich has the new translations?17:09
menesisthat includes everything17:09
menesisbugfixes, translations17:09
th1aSo they'll see those if they update?17:09
menesisI have been uploading to the testing PPA only for the port to newer Zope17:10
th1aOK.  Right.17:10
th1aI'm just being dense.17:10
menesisbecause that involves many incompatible packages17:10
menesisI will be moving everything to the main PPA when I'm sure there are no regressions or missing dependencies17:11
menesisand a new release17:11
menesiswith no features, only the porting work17:11
th1aOh, btw, shouldn't we have a 1.3?  ;-)17:12
th1aOK... anything else?17:15
menesisthis next release will be called 1.3.0, yes17:16
th1aOh, so we aren't doing the linux thing?  I thought 1.3 was unstable.17:17
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th1aAnyhow... I'll let you guys go.17:19
th1aAnd I'll let you know when I hear from Mark.17:20
th1aHave a great week!17:20
* th1a drops the bag of gravel.17:20
menesisth1a: ok it might be unstable17:20
menesisI have switched to a new zope packages set17:20
menesisto not break existing branches I have started a new development series17:21
menesisa new stable release will be for lucid17:21
menesiswhat a better time so start it that now17:21
th1aI understand what you're doing.  I just thought the new development series would be 1.3.17:22
th1aSchoolTool has never maintained a rational numbering sequence, so I'm not losing any sleep over it.17:22
menesisthat is what happened17:31
menesisit is the new development series, and it is named 1.317:32
yvlit just so happend that it will get released to Karmic17:33
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menesisbut 1.2 was incompatible with Karmic and was not released anywhere else17:36
menesisIf you want I can create a 1.2 branch and release it for older versions of Ubuntu17:37
menesisotherwise 1.2 is a dead end. it got new features in the Christmas release anyway.17:41
menesisthe only stable branch is 1.0 for Ubuntu <= 9.0417:41
menesisI have made a schooltool 1.0.4 release with all fixes backported, btw17:42
th1aOK... I'll stop bugging you.17:49
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onehomelisti have forgot my schooltool admin password. How can I recover it?18:34
th1aignas, yvl:  Can you help onehomelist?18:38
onehomelistIn what way?18:40
th1aTell you what to do.  ;-)18:40
th1aI think I can figure it out.18:40
th1a...maybe not.18:41
onehomelistYes, tell me what should I do?18:41
th1aWell, I don't remember...18:42
th1aI think we have some way to override it locally...18:42
th1aI'll have to find out for you.18:46
th1aYou can subscribe to that question ^^18:48
onehomelistIf it is too difficult, how do i completely uninstall school tool, so that i can do a fresh re-install?18:51
th1aYou can just delete the database.18:52
th1asudo rm /var/lib/schooltool/schooltool-2009-Data.fs*18:53
th1aThat will, of course, delete all the data.18:53
th1aSo don't do it unless you want to DELETE ALL YOUR DATA.18:53
th1aThen just restart.18:53
th1asudo /etc/init.d/schooltool-2009 restart18:54
onehomelistThanks, that was a great help.18:59
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mgedmina long time ago had a command-line option for changing the admin password...20:12
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ignasth1a, you can't reset your password iirc, we had that available using the command line, but now - we don't have it anymore21:31
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fsufitchaelkner, ping21:37
fsufitchyvl, ping21:49
ignasit's 10pm here21:51
ignasdoubt you'll find yvl21:51
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th1aignas: fsufitch is Ushra'Khan now.22:31
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aelknerfsufitch: ayt?22:50

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