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| Lumiere | menesis: how's the dpkg work coming? | 16:17 |
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| menesis | Lumiere: i'm doing that only today | 16:18 |
| Lumiere | ok | 16:18 |
| Lumiere | menesis: I need to have a test copy today | 16:25 |
| Lumiere | is there anything I need to be doing on it? | 16:25 |
| menesis | Lumiere: I know. sorry I was away since Friday | 16:26 |
| Lumiere | no problem... I was at a conference most of last week anyways | 16:26 |
| Lumiere | menesis: you were talking monday last week | 16:27 |
| menesis | Lumiere: are you ok with version number 2007dev?.. that's kind of old. | 16:27 |
| Lumiere | about things I needed to look at? | 16:27 |
| Lumiere | menesis: is 2009.08.01 > 2009.08dev ? | 16:28 |
| Lumiere | err | 16:28 |
| Lumiere | menesis: is 2009.08.01 > 2009.08.dev ? | 16:28 |
| menesis | yes, both. setuptools knows about "dev" suffix and treats it as lower version | 16:29 |
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| Lumiere | menesis: I am also asking about dpkg version | 16:30 |
| yvl | hi guys | 16:30 |
| Lumiere | if we did dev/beta would that be lower to dpkg | 16:30 |
| Lumiere | then the final version number | 16:30 |
| Lumiere | hi yvl, th1a | 16:30 |
| Lumiere | 09:30:00 -!- th1a [n=hoffman@74.97.177.52] has joined #schooltool (nice timing th1a) | 16:31 |
| th1a | Good morning Lumiere, yvl, aelkner, menesis. | 16:31 |
| aelkner | good morning | 16:31 |
| th1a | I guess you guys are already talking about packaging? | 16:32 |
| Lumiere | hi aelkner | 16:32 |
| Lumiere | yea | 16:32 |
| menesis | Lumiere: I'll take care of that. actually the tools we use do | 16:32 |
| menesis | hello th1a | 16:32 |
| th1a | You guys can keep going a while as far as I'm concerned. | 16:32 |
| th1a | Getting that done is top priority. | 16:33 |
| Lumiere | menesis: works for me | 16:33 |
| Lumiere | menesis: I am making 1 change to the setup.py | 16:33 |
| Lumiere | to change maintainer from cando@schooltool.org | 16:34 |
| Lumiere | to jstraw@candoskills.org (google app <3) | 16:34 |
| Lumiere | menesis: is there a way to add a contributors list to the setup.py (or do I need to make an AUTHORS) | 16:34 |
| menesis | Lumiere: don't know. schooltool does not list authors anywhere I looked. | 16:38 |
| Lumiere | ok | 16:38 |
| Lumiere | th1a: we need to fix that | 16:38 |
| menesis | and they go only to copyright file in the deb. anyways can do that later | 16:38 |
| Lumiere | yea | 16:38 |
| th1a | It is listed on the about page. | 16:39 |
| th1a | In SchoolTool. | 16:39 |
| Lumiere | th1a: k | 16:39 |
| Lumiere | hmm | 16:40 |
| Lumiere | menesis: 09:39:57 jstraw@shipon:~/compile/cando/trunk 14$ svn ci setup.py | 16:40 |
| Lumiere | svn: Commit failed (details follow): | 16:40 |
| Lumiere | svn: Can't create directory '/var/svn/cando/db/transactions/1590-1.txn': Permission denied | 16:40 |
| menesis | Lumiere: fixed. try again | 16:44 |
| Lumiere | same error | 16:45 |
| th1a | OK, I guess we should start the actual meeting. I'm ok with mixing the two conversations, but you guys can get a room if you prefer. | 16:46 |
| Lumiere | umask issue? | 16:46 |
| Lumiere | I think we're pretty much done | 16:46 |
| th1a | So what's the status then? How far along are we? | 16:47 |
| Lumiere | th1a: menesis is planning to work today on it | 16:48 |
| Lumiere | (I am assuming he is looking at my svn issue atm) | 16:48 |
| th1a | menesis: How close are we? | 16:49 |
| menesis | th1a: cando has some dependencies which are different that schooltool. so it's more work than anticipated | 16:51 |
| menesis | I have the two cando packages but they are not installable because of that | 16:51 |
| th1a | What's your time estimate? | 16:51 |
| Lumiere | menesis: it should just have a couple additionals (let me know what they are) | 16:51 |
| Lumiere | I want to know who added deps | 16:51 |
| th1a | Lumiere grabs his hammer. | 16:51 |
| Lumiere | I would if I were at acc | 16:52 |
| menesis | th1a: today. 2-3 hours | 16:54 |
| th1a | OK, thanks menesis! | 16:55 |
| th1a | Moving on... | 16:55 |
| th1a | yvl, how are you doing? | 16:55 |
| yvl | okay... | 16:55 |
| yvl | well, first on the little thing | 16:55 |
| yvl | s | 16:55 |
| yvl | I looked at grokked branches | 16:55 |
| yvl | they look quite good, and I think we can merge them at some point | 16:56 |
| th1a | OK. | 16:56 |
| yvl | but the code already changed, so it won't be a blind merge | 16:56 |
| yvl | and that will not happen instantly | 16:56 |
| th1a | Ah. | 16:56 |
| th1a | OK. | 16:56 |
| yvl | there are few possible issues I'd like to think about before merging | 16:57 |
| * Lumiere will need aelkner and replaceafill to look at something in a few minutes :) | 16:57 | |
| yvl | so I'd like to push it into the future | 16:57 |
| yvl | but not too distant | 16:57 |
| yvl | so that the code won't change drastically | 16:57 |
| yvl | thats it on this issue | 16:57 |
| yvl | moving on | 16:58 |
| yvl | Navbar screams for redoing | 16:58 |
| yvl | and that is related to security | 16:58 |
| yvl | example: | 16:58 |
| yvl | if we list what user can do to a course | 16:58 |
| yvl | it is much more obvious if actionbar actions are grouped: | 16:59 |
| yvl | Course: View, Edit; Something other: Action, Action | 16:59 |
| th1a | Yes. | 16:59 |
| yvl | and I want to tightly relate action bar grouping with security | 17:00 |
| yvl | to reduce risk to forget to update something | 17:00 |
| yvl | (my language is awful today :|) | 17:00 |
| th1a | np ;-) | 17:00 |
| yvl | but action bar remake raises some issues: | 17:00 |
| th1a | My Lithuanian is even worse today. | 17:00 |
| Lumiere | ( yvl: we all have days... even those of us who speak the language as a first language ) | 17:00 |
| yvl | :) | 17:00 |
| Lumiere | lol | 17:00 |
| yvl | for example, CanDo has modified the action bar | 17:01 |
| yvl | and I don't want to step on their toes | 17:01 |
| yvl | but it looks solvable | 17:01 |
| yvl | anyway - navbar changes can be postponed | 17:01 |
| yvl | it's just that if we want grouping in actionbar | 17:01 |
| yvl | (actionbar == navbar in my vocabulary :|) | 17:02 |
| Lumiere | yvl: at some level, we should make a standard action bar | 17:02 |
| Lumiere | my guess is that some of your changes | 17:02 |
| yvl | I need to keep it in mind when doing "access control documentation", or whatever we call that | 17:02 |
| Lumiere | would allow cando to remove some of the modification | 17:02 |
| yvl | may be, but I didn't look closely enough | 17:03 |
| yvl | browsing through viewlet registrations is a bit mind-twisting | 17:03 |
| yvl | oh, and old-style menu items that we still use for some reason | 17:04 |
| th1a | Well, once we've got SchoolTool security cleaned up a little, it will be time for CanDo to do the same. | 17:04 |
| Lumiere | yes | 17:04 |
| yvl | ok, moving on to security | 17:04 |
| yvl | CanDo uses crowds a bit differently from SchoolTool in few places | 17:04 |
| yvl | namely, methods like isStudent | 17:05 |
| yvl | that checks participation in several crowds | 17:05 |
| yvl | and that check is used for the views | 17:05 |
| yvl | SchoolTool crowds from now on will strictly mean object access permissions | 17:06 |
| th1a | Ah. | 17:06 |
| yvl | at least if you want the access control records to appear in "access control documentation" page | 17:07 |
| yvl | people can do changes, or view information of a Group, for example | 17:07 |
| yvl | and we don't care what views are built on that group | 17:07 |
| yvl | there are things like: display something something in message forum if the person is a Teacher | 17:08 |
| yvl | but that's done in a view | 17:08 |
| yvl | and we can't automate resolving of this type of permissions easily | 17:09 |
| th1a | I think I'm following you. | 17:09 |
| yvl | but I'll let the code speak for itself later on | 17:09 |
| th1a | What's done at the model level is more important anyhow. | 17:09 |
| th1a | Right? | 17:09 |
| yvl | Right | 17:09 |
| yvl | basically, you allow schooltool.edit permission for some of the crowds for, say, a Group | 17:10 |
| th1a | So will this require changes in CanDo? | 17:10 |
| yvl | maybe :| | 17:10 |
| yvl | most likely - little changes | 17:11 |
| th1a | That's fine. They just can't lose significant functionality. | 17:11 |
| yvl | even more likely - no changes, if: | 17:11 |
| yvl | it is not a problem that some of more custom access control is not described / controlled centrally in SchoolTool view(s) | 17:12 |
| yvl | there are also some specific cases in SchoolTool itself | 17:12 |
| yvl | and Gradebook | 17:12 |
| yvl | some permissions "fall through", like Worksheets that are basically Requirements. | 17:13 |
| th1a | Essentially, if views limit access a bit *more* than the model indicates, that's not a security problem. | 17:13 |
| th1a | Possibly a usability bug at times, but erring in that direction isn't so bad. | 17:13 |
| yvl | the thing is that in the Worksheet case | 17:13 |
| yvl | the user will see: theese people can edit Requirements | 17:14 |
| yvl | and not a word about Worksheets | 17:14 |
| th1a | Ah. | 17:14 |
| th1a | OK. | 17:14 |
| yvl | it is not that big of an issue | 17:14 |
| yvl | just that we'll need to look for such cases | 17:15 |
| th1a | And only an issue as long as we don't explicitly set permissions on worksheets? | 17:15 |
| yvl | and register descriptions | 17:15 |
| yvl | they are set | 17:15 |
| yvl | as they fall through from Requirement | 17:15 |
| yvl | because Worksheet inherits Requirement | 17:15 |
| th1a | Right, but we could explicitly define them? | 17:15 |
| yvl | and I didn't think of a way to automatically detect that yet | 17:15 |
| yvl | yes | 17:15 |
| th1a | OK. | 17:15 |
| yvl | I'm just saying that we'll have to go through the system manually | 17:16 |
| th1a | Yes. | 17:16 |
| yvl | and look for places that are not clear | 17:16 |
| th1a | Sure. | 17:16 |
| yvl | that, of course, means that we'll need to keep an eye open when adding new features | 17:16 |
| th1a | So how far along are you with that now? Almost ready to start writing code? | 17:17 |
| yvl | as the system will not alert us that security descriptions / control is missin in some cases | 17:17 |
| yvl | exactly :) | 17:17 |
| yvl | my goal is to have something at least half-working (with rough edges) this week | 17:17 |
| yvl | in a branch | 17:17 |
| th1a | Excellent. | 17:17 |
| yvl | so you can look and evaluate it | 17:17 |
| yvl | I feel that feedback is essential in this case | 17:18 |
| yvl | that's it for my report today :) | 17:18 |
| Lumiere | lemme hop in while I am here :) | 17:18 |
| yvl | please do | 17:19 |
| Lumiere | I need yvl / aelkner / replaceafill to look over cando | 17:19 |
| Lumiere | to look to see if we're still using z3c.formjs z3c.layer z3c.menu z3c.pagelet z3c.testing z3c.viewlet z3c.zrtresource | 17:19 |
| Lumiere | (breadcrumb was listed, but isn't in use anymore) | 17:19 |
| Lumiere | those are the additional packages that cando is using that schooltool is not | 17:20 |
| Lumiere | if we can get rid of some of them, it would be good | 17:20 |
| th1a | You mean, like, now? | 17:20 |
| th1a | thanks yvl. | 17:20 |
| yvl | menesis, can I dump this one on you? :) | 17:20 |
| yvl | I know you won't be thrilled, but... | 17:21 |
| th1a | Or aelkner? | 17:21 |
| Lumiere | yvl: menesis is looking at it | 17:21 |
| Lumiere | but I wanted to ask the people who worked on it last | 17:21 |
| Lumiere | if they knew something that had been removed | 17:21 |
| Lumiere | :) | 17:21 |
| aelkner | i know that the newskin views depend on the z3c stuff | 17:22 |
| Lumiere | aelkner: all of em? | 17:22 |
| aelkner | that's what stephan did for us at the New Hampshire sprint | 17:22 |
| yvl | sorry, Lumiere, don't remember removing any of those dependencies. | 17:22 |
| menesis | Lumiere: I am packaging them. and I see they are used. | 17:22 |
| Lumiere | yvl: thx | 17:22 |
| Lumiere | menesis: ok | 17:22 |
| menesis | z3c.testing is also not used | 17:22 |
| Lumiere | menesis: good to hear... I was going to ask about that | 17:22 |
| * Lumiere wonders if cando's setup.py could be simplified by just requiring cando+our additional needs | 17:24 | |
| aelkner | Lumiere: what we called the "Go" views use z3c | 17:24 |
| Lumiere | aelkner: I know | 17:24 |
| Lumiere | I dislike that srichter added a bunch of deps to do it | 17:25 |
| aelkner | his thinking was to encourage us to get away from formlib and towards using z3c | 17:25 |
| aelkner | unfortunately, that means depending on both | 17:25 |
| aelkner | Lumiere: we have been moving in that direction as it turns out | 17:26 |
| th1a | aelkner, would you like to make your report? | 17:26 |
| aelkner | so there's no way we would ever remove that dependency | 17:26 |
| aelkner | th1a: i thought you'd never ask :) | 17:26 |
| Lumiere | k | 17:26 |
| aelkner | I'm happy to report that the migration went off extremely well | 17:27 |
| aelkner | SLA's db no longer has intervention demos or narratives | 17:27 |
| th1a | Nice. | 17:27 |
| aelkner | these have been replaced with schooltool demos and report sheets | 17:27 |
| aelkner | i haven't removed the actual code for the objects yet, but, I will do so this week | 17:28 |
| aelkner | The intervention search and student views have a pulldown for school year | 17:28 |
| aelkner | that allows the user to look at interventions for previous years | 17:29 |
| aelkner | Lehman will be happy about that one | 17:29 |
| aelkner | I block the user from adding messages or goals to previous years | 17:29 |
| aelkner | I figure that history is just for history | 17:29 |
| aelkner | but anyway, it's nice to not have to worry about two divergent code bases anymore | 17:30 |
| yvl | previous SchoolYears are for archival purposes only | 17:30 |
| yvl | or at least they are intended to be | 17:30 |
| aelkner | that's what I figured | 17:31 |
| th1a | Well, it is certainly still relevant. | 17:32 |
| aelkner | for viewing, yes | 17:32 |
| th1a | If you had meetings about the same issue in each of the previous three years, that's important. ;-) | 17:32 |
| aelkner | but, definitely, they will want to be able to look up the history of problems a student may have caused | 17:32 |
| th1a | Yes. | 17:32 |
| th1a | So the interventions code is up to date? | 17:33 |
| aelkner | so, I have the following loose ends | 17:33 |
| aelkner | the section interventions view needs to be fized to keep the links relevant there | 17:33 |
| aelkner | 2) I need to move the narrative report PDF views to schooltool.gradebook | 17:34 |
| aelkner | with many changes, of course | 17:34 |
| aelkner | I'll look over the code and send an email with issues that I uncover | 17:34 |
| yvl | aelkner, there's a possible task for PDF reports (in the future) | 17:35 |
| yvl | it would help if you ported the PDF code to RML | 17:35 |
| aelkner | that would be agood idea | 17:35 |
| aelkner | that could be part of what i do, sure | 17:35 |
| yvl | no visual redesign, just the code underneath | 17:36 |
| yvl | and add the rml templates | 17:36 |
| aelkner | can you point me to an example in schooltool? | 17:36 |
| th1a | Then *I* can do the visual redesign. :-) | 17:36 |
| aelkner | yeah :) | 17:36 |
| aelkner | yvl: is there any RML use in schooltool? | 17:37 |
| yvl | that would be most welcome th1a | 17:37 |
| yvl | schooltool.app.browser.pdfcal | 17:37 |
| yvl | very basic usage, but should be enough to get started | 17:37 |
| aelkner | cool, thanks | 17:37 |
| yvl | and templates/cal_rml.pt there | 17:38 |
| aelkner | last issue to report is a bug I uncovered when I hit the column lnk of an activity with comments scoresystem | 17:38 |
| aelkner | so i'll look into that as well this week | 17:38 |
| th1a | OK> | 17:38 |
| th1a | . | 17:38 |
| aelkner | Next monday | 17:38 |
| aelkner | I'd like to discuss creating the schooltool.intervention egg | 17:39 |
| aelkner | i'll prepare the existing egg for that during the week this week | 17:39 |
| aelkner | oh, and we will need to discuss installation issues at that time | 17:40 |
| th1a | What kind of issues? | 17:40 |
| aelkner | like the steps that are needed to get the cas and mail delivery set up | 17:40 |
| th1a | Ah. | 17:40 |
| th1a | Well, I think the basic idea is that we need configuration screens. | 17:41 |
| aelkner | yeah, i was thinking the same | 17:41 |
| th1a | I don't want to make it auto-magic apt-get sendmail stuff. | 17:41 |
| aelkner | we should have a utility in schooltool for email server | 17:41 |
| aelkner | but we can begin that discussion next week | 17:42 |
| aelkner | th1a: I saw you added some more gradebook bugs | 17:42 |
| aelkner | so I can look into those this week as well | 17:42 |
| th1a | Yeah. When I went through report sheets. | 17:42 |
| aelkner | And I'd like to comment on your docs when I have the chance as well | 17:43 |
| th1a | Go ahead. | 17:43 |
| aelkner | I don't have anyting prepared for this moment | 17:43 |
| Lumiere | +1 to schooltool having a generic email utility | 17:43 |
| aelkner | i was saying, I'll set aside time for running through them | 17:43 |
| th1a | OK. | 17:43 |
| aelkner | and email you comments about them | 17:43 |
| th1a | Thanks. | 17:43 |
| th1a | I guess we're done then? | 17:44 |
| aelkner | what's yoru release ETA? | 17:44 |
| th1a | Of? | 17:44 |
| aelkner | the help | 17:44 |
| th1a | I push the changes to the website as I write them. | 17:44 |
| aelkner | oh, ok | 17:44 |
| aelkner | never mind | 17:44 |
| aelkner | i'll let know what I think when I get the chance | 17:44 |
| th1a | OK. | 17:44 |
| aelkner | that's it for me | 17:44 |
| th1a | Thanks. | 17:45 |
| th1a | I guess we're done then. | 17:45 |
| yvl | aelkner, P.S.: schooltool/skin/templates/rml_macros.pt may be also interesting to you. They're similar to other view macros in SchoolTool | 17:45 |
| th1a | Thank you gentlemen. Have a great week. | 17:45 |
| * th1a drops the bag of gravel. | 17:45 | |
| aelkner | you too, th1a | 17:45 |
| yvl | A great week for you all! | 17:45 |
| aelkner | yvl: thanks. i'll look at that, too | 17:45 |
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| fsufitch | yvl, ping | 19:15 |
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| th1a | Hey pcardune! | 20:19 |
| pcardune | th1a: howdy | 20:19 |
| pcardune | th1a: how's schooltool going? | 20:19 |
| th1a | It is going pretty well. How are you? | 20:19 |
| pcardune | pretty good, I am at OSCON right now | 20:20 |
| th1a | Ah. Nice. | 20:20 |
| th1a | CanDo will be deployed in five counties in VA this fall. | 20:20 |
| pcardune | super cool | 20:20 |
| pcardune | I guess I never rejoined the mailing lists on launchpad | 20:21 |
| th1a | Yeah. Mailman was crufty as hell. | 20:21 |
| fsufitch | oh hi, pcardune, th1a | 20:25 |
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| pcardune | hey fsufitch, how's summer going? | 20:26 |
| fsufitch | fun | 20:26 |
| fsufitch | bunch of coding and learning a ton | 20:26 |
| fsufitch | but also wasting a lot of time and plain chilling | 20:26 |
| fsufitch | so, pretty well :) | 20:26 |
| pcardune | fsufitch: just the way it should be | 20:26 |
| fsufitch | heh | 20:27 |
| fsufitch | right now im actually working on one of the cando blueprints | 20:27 |
| pcardune | cool | 20:27 |
| fsufitch | and, th1a, do you know anything of replaceafill's progress to get cando using schooltool 2009.04? | 20:27 |
| fsufitch | i sort of need the PDF report stuff in 2009.04 in cando... | 20:27 |
| th1a | I was under the impression he was done with it. | 20:28 |
| fsufitch | Lumiere said he's putting the finishing touches on it, but didnt know more detail than that | 20:29 |
| fsufitch | (he = replaceafill) | 20:30 |
| fsufitch | but whether he's done or not, he hasnt updated the cando trunk repo | 20:31 |
| fsufitch | juuuust found a bug in cando <_< | 20:42 |
| pcardune | when is schooltool going to have facebook integration :)? | 20:45 |
| * pcardune is at the open, social web tutorial | 20:45 | |
| th1a | When someone pays pcardune to implement it. | 20:46 |
| pcardune | :) | 20:47 |
| fsufitch | schooltool having facebook integration scares me | 20:47 |
| th1a | Wouldn't you like automated homework reminders on your Facebook page? | 20:48 |
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| fsufitch | th1a, that's what scares me | 20:56 |
| fsufitch | if i want homework, i log on to schooltool :-P | 20:56 |
| fsufitch | if i'm on facebook, it means i either a) have no homework or b) am trying to pretend that (a) is true | 20:56 |
| fsufitch | still, nothing forces me to add the schooltool facebook app | 20:57 |
| fsufitch | so, for those to whom that's convenient, that's cool | 20:57 |
| th1a | I'm just teasing you. | 21:01 |
| pcardune | what if you could block facebook access until they finished their homework? | 21:02 |
| pcardune | or a graph that shows who is doing better in the class among your friends | 21:02 |
| fsufitch | a part of me is saying "wow cool" and a part of me is saying "aaargh!! it burnsss!!" | 21:07 |
| fsufitch | th1a, i went as far as i could with https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cando/+spec/competency-certificate but i can't really do much more because schooltool.app.browser.report doesn't exist in cando | 21:25 |
| fsufitch | im gonna go away for a bit, but if you see replaceafill could you tell him to send me a diff so i can update cando? | 21:25 |
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| fsufitch | and i removed the tjTalk thing :-P | 21:26 |
| Lumiere | lol | 21:30 |
| Lumiere | hi pcardune | 21:31 |
| * Lumiere is sitting in a GASP class with jelkner | 21:31 | |
| pcardune | hi Lumiere | 21:31 |
| fsufitch | hey Lumiere | 21:32 |
| fsufitch | yum, Bawls | 21:33 |
| Lumiere | lol | 21:38 |
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| jelkner | ping | 23:54 |
| Lumiere | replaceafill: hi | 23:54 |
| replaceafill | hey Lumiere | 23:54 |
| Lumiere | jelkner: faillllll :) | 23:54 |
| Lumiere | replaceafill: how is the 2009.04 transition going' | 23:54 |
| replaceafill | one user story remaining | 23:55 |
| Lumiere | fsufitch is trying to get started | 23:55 |
| replaceafill | the one to update competencies | 23:55 |
| Lumiere | and needs 2009.04 to do it | 23:55 |
| Lumiere | can you commit the upgrade to schooltool's 2009.04 branch before doing update competencies? | 23:55 |
| replaceafill | yes, but i have my diff at home, i'll do it when i get back | 23:56 |
| replaceafill | fsufitch, do you just need 2009.04? | 23:57 |
| fsufitch | i need cando to be using schooltool 2009.04 | 23:57 |
| replaceafill | i guess the testing instance has an old diff that you could use | 23:57 |
| fsufitch | because i need schooltool.app.browser.report | 23:57 |
| replaceafill | let me see | 23:57 |
| replaceafill | Lumiere, does fsufitch have access to the testing instance server? | 23:59 |
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