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| th1a | Good morning ptarrant. | 16:30 |
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| jelkner | good morning | 16:30 |
| ptarrant | good morning th1a | 16:30 |
| ptarrant | and jelkner | 16:30 |
| ptarrant | i guess its that time huh? | 16:31 |
| jelkner | yes | 16:31 |
| * ptarrant puts the do-not-disturb sign on outside of door | 16:31 | |
| ptarrant | I won't have much to contribute experience wise as i am just getting 8.10 installed on the rack and have yet to install schooltool <- we had spring break last week so i was out | 16:32 |
| jelkner | ptarrant: i am still getting ready for the first day back myself | 16:34 |
| jelkner | so we should probably keep this real short | 16:34 |
| jelkner | i was talking to th1a this morning | 16:35 |
| * ptarrant is super excited to try the new package everyone has been working on though | 16:35 | |
| jelkner | about getting a non-profit arrangement where schooltool could receive donations | 16:36 |
| Lumiere | you lucky people | 16:36 |
| ptarrant | that would be great as I am sure my school would donate after getting up and running on it | 16:36 |
| jelkner | he is looking at possibly joining the Software Freedom Conservancy | 16:36 |
| Lumiere | getting spring break off :) | 16:37 |
| jelkner | http://conservancy.softwarefreedom.org | 16:37 |
| jelkner | i'm hoping he moves on that sooner rather than later ;-) | 16:37 |
| ptarrant | Lumiere: It was indeed a lucky time, my grandma survived a Heart attack, and I survived a tornado with very little property damage :) | 16:37 |
| jelkner | ptarrant: is your grandma ok? | 16:38 |
| Lumiere | ptarrant: deep south? | 16:38 |
| Lumiere | I was watching the weather this weekend | 16:38 |
| Lumiere | some of the morning storms have been incredible | 16:38 |
| th1a | jelkner: Here's the thing about SFC: | 16:38 |
| ptarrant | lumiere: Georgia, right in the thick of it 100mph winds | 16:38 |
| ptarrant | jelkner: grandma is fine, i am a EMT-I | 16:38 |
| ptarrant | :) | 16:38 |
| th1a | We'd have to enter into an arrangement with them based on whether or not we are just taking small donations or large donations through them. | 16:39 |
| jelkner | ptarrant: i'm glad to hear that! | 16:39 |
| Lumiere | ptarrant: if only we were all so lucky to have EMTs as family | 16:39 |
| th1a | They aren't really interested in taking on another client for small donations. | 16:39 |
| jelkner | ok | 16:39 |
| th1a | And I'm not convinced that using them for large donations is a good idea. | 16:39 |
| ptarrant | th1a: how large is a "large donation" | 16:39 |
| jelkner | good question | 16:39 |
| th1a | Well, "large donations" in this case is funding through the State of Virginia or an NSF grant, so $50,000 - $100,000 per year. | 16:40 |
| th1a | We're working on an NSF grant. | 16:40 |
| ptarrant | ah well, we can't do any large donations from here :) | 16:40 |
| th1a | jelkner: actually, why don't you use Flint for this? | 16:40 |
| th1a | Oddly, that may be the most sane approach. | 16:41 |
| jelkner | flint isn't tax deductable | 16:42 |
| jelkner | it don't think | 16:42 |
| jelkner | but i'll check with him | 16:42 |
| jelkner | and he'll take a cut | 16:42 |
| jelkner | i'm sure of that | 16:43 |
| th1a | I thought that was the point. | 16:43 |
| th1a | The Open Systems Institute. | 16:43 |
| th1a | Or whatever. | 16:43 |
| jelkner | hmm | 16:43 |
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| ptarrant | we could always go for the cash filled mexican pinnate approch :) j/k | 16:55 |
| ptarrant | err pinyata? | 16:56 |
| ptarrant | i can't spell | 16:56 |
| * ptarrant slinks away in shame after ruining the semi-decent joke it would have been | 16:56 | |
| * th1a missed it. | 16:57 | |
| jelkner | th1a: barre open systems lab looks promising | 16:58 |
| jelkner | i'll pursue that | 16:58 |
| th1a | Good. | 16:58 |
| jelkner | paul is even asking me if i want to be on the board | 16:58 |
| jelkner | i told him sure | 16:58 |
| jelkner | let's see what comes of it | 16:58 |
| jelkner | they are not yet a 501c3 | 16:58 |
| th1a | Ah... damn. | 16:58 |
| jelkner | but they are in the process of becoming one | 16:59 |
| th1a | Good. | 16:59 |
| jelkner | paul has to finish his taxes today | 16:59 |
| jelkner | i'll call him again on thursday | 16:59 |
| jelkner | and get back to you | 16:59 |
| jelkner | turns out paul had a great conversation with walter bender in fossvt | 17:00 |
| jelkner | where sugar on a stick was unvailed | 17:00 |
| jelkner | so they are interested in sugar as well | 17:00 |
| jelkner | paul is already talking about the maple sugar distribution | 17:00 |
| jelkner | which would run on legacy pcs | 17:01 |
| jelkner | anyway, i need to get ready for class | 17:01 |
| jelkner | but this all looks promising | 17:01 |
| ptarrant | omg, i was thinking "sugar" was a code word for something...lol | 17:01 |
| ptarrant | and apparently it is, so i'll just keep quiet and nod my head...lol | 17:01 |
| jelkner | http://sugarlabs.org | 17:02 |
| ptarrant | thanks jelkner | 17:02 |
| jelkner | ptarrant: my apologies for not doing that from jump | 17:02 |
| jelkner | ok, i need to get back to teacher stuff | 17:03 |
| ptarrant | lol its cool | 17:03 |
| jelkner | same time next week... | 17:03 |
| ptarrant | i'll be leaving ya also, same bat time/same bat channel | 17:03 |
| ptarrant | next week | 17:03 |
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| jelkner | c u then | 17:03 |
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| aelkner | yvl: ayt? | 17:05 |
| ignas | aelkner: nope he's not | 17:22 |
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| Lumiere | hi replaceafill | 18:26 |
| replaceafill | hey Lumiere | 18:40 |
| replaceafill | did u get the bugs list? | 18:40 |
| Lumiere | yea | 18:44 |
| Lumiere | I'll pass it along today | 18:44 |
| Lumiere | once I get to ACC and start working on cando | 18:44 |
| Lumiere | brb | 18:44 |
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| Lumiere | hi replaceafill | 20:29 |
| replaceafill | hey Lumiere | 20:29 |
| Lumiere | I am sending out the notification today | 20:30 |
| replaceafill | notification? like "new update available"? | 20:31 |
| Lumiere | like new update coming in 2h30m | 20:32 |
| Lumiere | on your server | 20:32 |
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| Lumiere | th1a: here? | 21:26 |
| th1a | I am here. | 21:27 |
| th1a | Lumiere. | 21:27 |
| Lumiere | would you mind if I add a light sprinkling to your schooltool-org | 21:27 |
| Lumiere | just a touch of php to make it easier to manage | 21:27 |
| Lumiere | you can decide not to use it | 21:27 |
| th1a | What php? | 21:28 |
| Lumiere | pull the top/left column into a template file (so you aren't copying it all the time) | 21:28 |
| Lumiere | and a menu generation script | 21:28 |
| th1a | Well, that's really the only page that will use it. | 21:28 |
| Lumiere | you can see an example of it at www.misato.us | 21:28 |
| Lumiere | th1a: are you planning for www.schooltool.org to be 1 page? | 21:29 |
| th1a | Everything else will either be in the book or Launchpad. | 21:29 |
| Lumiere | ah | 21:29 |
| th1a | Basically, yes. | 21:29 |
| Lumiere | make sure to get apache to redirect 404s to the main page then | 21:29 |
| th1a | Good point. | 21:30 |
| Lumiere | but, if you decided to add a screenshots page or anything else | 21:30 |
| th1a | That can go in the book. | 21:30 |
| Lumiere | k | 21:31 |
| Lumiere | then why is it all in bzr ^^ | 21:31 |
| th1a | What? | 21:31 |
| Lumiere | the site | 21:31 |
| Lumiere | it's like 2 files :) | 21:31 |
| th1a | a) why not; | 21:31 |
| th1a | b) because I want people to do translations. | 21:32 |
| Lumiere | b ah | 21:32 |
| th1a | Yes, a lot of this is driven by trying to figure out how to make it easy to translate. | 21:32 |
| Lumiere | I need to learn how to do apache language checking | 21:32 |
| Lumiere | and automatic language choice | 21:33 |
| th1a | Also by discovering that nobody can ever find anything, so I think putting everything in a book that generates a table of contents helps. | 21:33 |
| Lumiere | yea | 21:33 |
| th1a | Sphinx just doesn't give you a nice landing page. | 21:34 |
| Lumiere | yea | 21:36 |
| Lumiere | I need to get a cando site going | 21:37 |
| Lumiere | maybe based on that schooltool.org page | 21:37 |
| th1a | So I'm leaning towards assimilating CanDo a bit sooner than I thought. | 21:37 |
| th1a | I mean, I guess realistically it will be in a year. | 21:38 |
| th1a | We won't want people suddenly getting CanDo added to their instance in October. | 21:38 |
| th1a | So the timeframe is pretty clear. | 21:39 |
| Lumiere | yea | 21:41 |
| Lumiere | well, I sort of see it happening like this | 21:41 |
| Lumiere | 1) CanDo moves to bzr | 21:41 |
| Lumiere | 2) CanDo submits for a code review (eek) | 21:41 |
| Lumiere | 3) schooltool-cando-2009.08 is 'merged' and added as a separate package in 2009.10 | 21:43 |
| Lumiere | 4) CanDo is made available as part of 2010.04 | 21:43 |
| Lumiere | so in October stable CanDo is available as a separate installation | 21:43 |
| Lumiere | and in April CanDo is released publically | 21:43 |
| Lumiere | as part of schooltool | 21:44 |
| Lumiere | but, there is a long way to get there | 21:44 |
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| th1a | Lumiere: Yes, exactly. | 22:08 |
| th1a | Except we're not *really* going to be able to do a code review. | 22:09 |
| Lumiere | th1a: well, I am thinking more like a long-term review | 22:11 |
| th1a | Sure. | 22:12 |
| Lumiere | th1a: I don't want to force anyone to support code that isn't cleaned | 22:12 |
| Lumiere | replaceafill is reviewing and writing tests for everything he touches | 22:12 |
| Lumiere | some of the diffs I have been working through for merges | 22:12 |
| Lumiere | are substantial | 22:12 |
| th1a | Well, we'll have a better idea of whether or not you'll have someone supporting it for a few years after we hear from NSF. | 22:13 |
| th1a | Nice. | 22:13 |
| Lumiere | yes | 22:14 |
| Lumiere | the paperwork went up to APS from ACC today it sounds like | 22:14 |
| th1a | Did they write some stuff on Friday? | 22:14 |
| Lumiere | I think so | 22:15 |
| Lumiere | I just heard it in passing from one of the AP | 22:15 |
| th1a | I forgot to ask in the arguing about groups yesterday. ;-) | 22:16 |
| Lumiere | yea | 22:16 |
| th1a | One more question about that -- | 22:16 |
| Lumiere | groups or nsf | 22:16 |
| th1a | The problem ultimately was from a CanDo import script that failed silently? | 22:17 |
| Lumiere | I have no idea | 22:17 |
| Lumiere | I don't know if it failed silently or if it just never had it | 22:17 |
| th1a | It is hard to debug a problem when nobody seems to remember what they were trying to do. | 22:19 |
| Lumiere | th1a: hard to debug when the event that caused it is months in the past | 22:19 |
| Lumiere | so... I wonder if cando buildout will work on dapper ^^ | 22:20 |
| Lumiere | I am running out of server options | 22:21 |
| Lumiere | my VM doesn't have enough memory to compile cando | 22:21 |
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| th1a | Lumiere: I've moved the ST Book development here: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~schooltool-owners/schooltool/st-book which will be its home for the next year. | 23:07 |
| th1a | Can you please add instructions on *starting* CanDo to your piece? | 23:07 |
| th1a | We just forgot about that step. ;-) | 23:08 |
| Lumiere | yea | 23:13 |
| Lumiere | although I *fixed* the problem | 23:13 |
| Lumiere | :) | 23:13 |
| Lumiere | replaceafill: hi | 23:13 |
| Lumiere | replaceafill: I am about to get the party started | 23:13 |
| replaceafill | Lumiere, hey | 23:13 |
| replaceafill | :D | 23:13 |
| Lumiere | or I would if my ssh hadn't frozen | 23:14 |
| Lumiere | I have a backup of the code | 23:14 |
| Lumiere | and I will copy the instance as I go :) | 23:14 |
| replaceafill | will it be screen -x watchable? :) | 23:14 |
| Lumiere | yea | 23:14 |
| Lumiere | screen is open | 23:14 |
| replaceafill | it's "screen -x", right? | 23:15 |
| Lumiere | yea | 23:15 |
| replaceafill | 1 attached and 1 detached | 23:15 |
| replaceafill | did u stop the testing? | 23:16 |
| Lumiere | nope | 23:16 |
| Lumiere | just attach to the attachd one | 23:16 |
| replaceafill | ok | 23:16 |
| Lumiere | I have already copied Data.fs | 23:16 |
| Lumiere | stopped cando (before copy) | 23:16 |
| Lumiere | and am running make update | 23:16 |
| Lumiere | holy crap the compile of lxml is HUGE | 23:17 |
| replaceafill | :D | 23:17 |
| replaceafill | yes | 23:17 |
| Lumiere | 29133 cando 20 0 442m 435m 4992 R 100 11.1 0:26.05 cc1 | 23:17 |
| Lumiere | no WONDER I couldn't make it run on my vm | 23:17 |
| Lumiere | I don't have 500mb of ram to use in a comiple | 23:17 |
| Lumiere | replaceafill: screen 1 is top | 23:18 |
| Lumiere | ok... dapper fails... svn is too old | 23:19 |
| Lumiere | ok replaceafill make update is done | 23:23 |
| replaceafill | yes i see | 23:23 |
| Lumiere | and starting | 23:24 |
| Lumiere | we're up | 23:25 |
| replaceafill | what's that 503 file? | 23:25 |
| Lumiere | it is the text that shows up if proxying fails | 23:25 |
| replaceafill | :O | 23:26 |
| replaceafill | 15 minutes :) | 23:26 |
| Lumiere | not bad at all | 23:32 |
| Lumiere | the 15 minutes thing is for backups | 23:32 |
| Lumiere | the nightly backup script shuts cando down | 23:33 |
| replaceafill | ah | 23:33 |
| Lumiere | so I want to be able to say "don't sound alarms instantly" | 23:33 |
| Lumiere | replaceafill: I am about to put cando on my home server XD | 23:34 |
| Lumiere | because I can't get it to install on a vm | 23:34 |
| replaceafill | because of the ram? | 23:34 |
| Lumiere | yea | 23:35 |
| Lumiere | replaceafill: are you still in the screen? | 23:39 |
| replaceafill | no | 23:40 |
| Lumiere | the other thing I use the 503.html files for | 23:40 |
| Lumiere | is notifiation | 23:40 |
| Lumiere | +c | 23:40 |
| Lumiere | if someone logs into cando while I am pushing an update | 23:40 |
| Lumiere | they will get a message that lets them know that we actually mean to be down atm | 23:40 |
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