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| th1a | Hi ignas, aelkner, jstraw, jelkner, yvl. | 16:29 |
|---|---|---|
| aelkner | good morning | 16:30 |
| jstraw | ohayo | 16:30 |
| th1a | Our secret plan to see how many people are using SchoolTool worked! | 16:30 |
| ignas | hi | 16:30 |
| jelkner | good morning! | 16:30 |
| th1a | ...and the bug reports poured in. | 16:30 |
| ignas | not used, but actually wanted to install it from scratch | 16:30 |
| th1a | True. | 16:30 |
| jelkner | i can tell you i'm lovin it! | 16:30 |
| jelkner | the new gradebook fixes are sweet | 16:30 |
| th1a | Not entirely loving the package breakage... | 16:30 |
| jelkner | everything is working well for me | 16:31 |
| jelkner | of course, i have my brother to manage my instance | 16:31 |
| th1a | As I said in my email to the schooltool list, we just need to switch back to our "we have users now" release processes. | 16:31 |
| jelkner | which most of our hapless users do not ;-) | 16:31 |
| th1a | So what's the status of things now, ignas? | 16:32 |
| ignas | th1a: hardy and intrepid working | 16:32 |
| ignas | it seems that hardy is the most popular distribution at the moment | 16:32 |
| ignas | i will look at gutsy next | 16:32 |
| th1a | Schools will tend to like LTS. | 16:32 |
| ignas | i have also released python-xlwt and will need someone to test it | 16:32 |
| th1a | If someone using hardy apt-get updates they should get it? | 16:33 |
| ignas | yes | 16:33 |
| ignas | no | 16:33 |
| ignas | emm - current schooltool | 16:33 |
| ignas | is using python-xlrd only | 16:33 |
| * th1a doesn't know the difference. | 16:33 | |
| ignas | I have added a package for xlwt to accomodate our next release | 16:33 |
| ignas | xlrd (excel read) | 16:34 |
| ignas | xlwt (excel write) | 16:34 |
| ignas | one for import support, the other for export | 16:34 |
| th1a | OK. | 16:34 |
| th1a | So we don't export to excel yet? | 16:34 |
| ignas | nope, not in this release | 16:34 |
| ignas | this release was to get sample data working | 16:34 |
| ignas | i mean - I have the code, but I would like to have some more tests | 16:35 |
| th1a | OK. We really need to do release notes now. | 16:35 |
| th1a | Another reason to release on Tuesday... | 16:35 |
| ignas | th1a: where and how? | 16:35 |
| ignas | mailing list? website? | 16:35 |
| th1a | If you put them in the source code I'll publish them elsewhere. | 16:36 |
| ignas | hmm | 16:36 |
| th1a | Could you just do a text file? | 16:36 |
| ignas | yes I can | 16:36 |
| ignas | thinking where it should go | 16:36 |
| ignas | i mean - we have a release branch and trunk | 16:36 |
| ignas | and feature releases are going to different places on different times | 16:36 |
| th1a | Hmm | 16:37 |
| ignas | also - sometimes I am releasing just schooltool.gradebook or just schooltoo.lyceum.journal | 16:37 |
| th1a | OK, putting it in the source tree may make us think too hard. | 16:38 |
| ignas | i think a global text file somewhere on the internets that I expand every time I release to Ubuntu | 16:38 |
| ignas | should work ok | 16:38 |
| th1a | Yes. | 16:38 |
| ignas | maybe in our users-guide even | 16:38 |
| th1a | Perfect! | 16:38 |
| th1a | OK. That's settled. | 16:39 |
| th1a | There are a number of other bugfixes in this release, too. | 16:39 |
| th1a | Or maybe you've been quietly slipping those in. | 16:39 |
| th1a | Actually, I guess I need to apt-get upgrade myself. | 16:41 |
| th1a | So what's on your queue for the week, ignas? | 16:42 |
| ignas | th1a: well, I want to work on import functionality | 16:42 |
| ignas | add tests and error handling | 16:42 |
| ignas | and I also want to release the export | 16:43 |
| ignas | so people could start testing it | 16:43 |
| th1a | OK. Solidify that. I'll start writing docs and get the word out. | 16:43 |
| th1a | Now... SchoolTool in 2009. | 16:44 |
| th1a | Basically, we have the same amount of money as 2008. | 16:44 |
| jelkner | hurray for sabdfl! | 16:45 |
| ignas | :) | 16:45 |
| th1a | Which means almost all of us will still be working on SchoolTool. | 16:45 |
| th1a | And we won't be getting raises. | 16:45 |
| th1a | But given the unemployment rate in Rhode Island, I'm ok with that, and hopefully everyone else is too. | 16:45 |
| jelkner | were in a deflationary period | 16:46 |
| ignas | :) | 16:46 |
| jelkner | so the same money will go farther anyway | 16:46 |
| aelkner | now's not the time to ask for raises | 16:46 |
| th1a | Now, the one thing is that I basically have funding for two full time developers, but because of the weird CanDo related maneuvers of the fall, we've got 2.5 developers. | 16:47 |
| th1a | So in the short term at least, I won't have money to keep yvl on the project, unfortunately. | 16:47 |
| ignas | hmm, isn't aelkner being half financed by virginia state? | 16:47 |
| th1a | Well... he *probably* will be. | 16:48 |
| aelkner | we need dwelsh to answer that one | 16:48 |
| th1a | He almost certainly will be at various points in the year. | 16:48 |
| th1a | I really need to take this up with Aiste. | 16:48 |
| th1a | But basically, what I'd like to do is to be able to continue to shift aelkner onto CanDo when they have money and pick up yvl. | 16:49 |
| th1a | If that is possible. | 16:49 |
| ignas | I see | 16:49 |
| th1a | Anyhow, I'll send an email about this... I don't want to get too much into personnel complexity on IRC. | 16:50 |
| th1a | Overall, we're alive, and that's good. | 16:50 |
| jelkner | not just alive, but alive and kickin! | 16:50 |
| th1a | aelkner and jelkner: are you guys on the schooltool mailing list? | 16:51 |
| jelkner | i am | 16:51 |
| aelkner | yes, i've been getting the emails | 16:51 |
| th1a | (not schooltool-dev) | 16:51 |
| aelkner | i know | 16:51 |
| jelkner | i believe i'm on both | 16:51 |
| th1a | Did you see the email about weighting in the gradebook? | 16:51 |
| aelkner | i've seen your anouncements | 16:51 |
| aelkner | hmm | 16:51 |
| th1a | 'Gradebook calculations' from Neil Manson. | 16:51 |
| aelkner | i got that | 16:52 |
| th1a | Can you help him with that (i.e., answer his question)? | 16:52 |
| aelkner | do we have any instructions for the gradebook like the schooltool ones? | 16:53 |
| th1a | Not yet. | 16:53 |
| th1a | I've been stalling on writing new docs until the new import system was done. | 16:54 |
| aelkner | ok | 16:54 |
| th1a | Just point him in the right direction. | 16:54 |
| aelkner | but i'll tell you, the things he's talking about doing | 16:54 |
| aelkner | are a big departure from the way schooltool.gradebook works | 16:54 |
| aelkner | he's talking about weighting activities | 16:54 |
| aelkner | effectively | 16:54 |
| aelkner | we don't support that | 16:55 |
| th1a | Yeah, but you could make categories and have one assignment per category. | 16:55 |
| aelkner | only categories | 16:55 |
| aelkner | so you're suggesting the solution is to create new categories? | 16:55 |
| aelkner | as the user | 16:55 |
| th1a | I'm saying that is how you'd do it if you wanted to do it with SchoolTool now. | 16:56 |
| ignas | th1a: from what I understood - he wanted fields that are equal to particular formulas, and not even 1 field, but multiple fields... | 16:56 |
| aelkner | that's i'm saying | 16:56 |
| ignas | th1a: I can't imagine doing that without editing schooltool code... | 16:56 |
| aelkner | yeah | 16:56 |
| th1a | Oh, I see. | 16:56 |
| th1a | OK. I guess I understand enough to answer the question then. | 16:57 |
| th1a | I'll handle it. | 16:57 |
| th1a | aelkner: You're up. | 16:58 |
| aelkner | ok, so i made the changes to the new years cando branch | 16:58 |
| aelkner | to get it to work with schoolyears | 16:58 |
| aelkner | it all works save for one thing | 16:59 |
| aelkner | for some reason, traversal to course skilldrivers is broken | 16:59 |
| aelkner | and i can't see how that's schoolyears related | 16:59 |
| aelkner | but it's something that i can discuss with ignas after the meeting | 16:59 |
| th1a | OK. | 16:59 |
| aelkner | otherwise, i have an issue to discuss regarding cando in genereal | 17:00 |
| th1a | OK. | 17:00 |
| * jelkner perks up his ears... | 17:00 | |
| aelkner | right now, we have a live cando that dwelsh and jstraw set up | 17:00 |
| aelkner | and it uses the non-schoolyears branch | 17:00 |
| aelkner | there are two problems with that | 17:01 |
| aelkner | 1) if they ever do a bin/buildout -n | 17:01 |
| aelkner | because they forgot the inpact of it | 17:01 |
| aelkner | they would unwittingly cause the schoolyears evolution script to run | 17:01 |
| aelkner | 2) i now can't maintain the old cando on my machine | 17:02 |
| aelkner | because i now have the new eggs | 17:02 |
| aelkner | so the old cando can't work | 17:02 |
| aelkner | niow | 17:02 |
| aelkner | i could change the old cando buildout.cfg | 17:02 |
| aelkner | to use checkouts of the older schooltool and schooltool.gradebook | 17:02 |
| aelkner | that don't have the schoolyears logic in them | 17:03 |
| aelkner | for that, i'd need ignas to point me to the right repos | 17:03 |
| aelkner | but | 17:03 |
| aelkner | i have another idea | 17:03 |
| ignas | aelkner: not checkouts, just setting versions will do | 17:03 |
| aelkner | ah, that's right | 17:03 |
| ignas | aelkner: you can set gradebook and schooltool egg versions to ones before school years | 17:04 |
| aelkner | setup.cfg, right? | 17:04 |
| ignas | no, buildout.cfg | 17:04 |
| aelkner | ok, i'll ask about that after the meeting | 17:04 |
| ignas | you can do it in both places, but buildout.cfg works better | 17:04 |
| aelkner | ok | 17:04 |
| aelkner | well, that may be the most practical thing | 17:04 |
| aelkner | but | 17:04 |
| aelkner | my other suggestion would be to think about getting the live cando using the new branch | 17:05 |
| aelkner | in other words, biting the bullet and doing the schoolyears upgrade | 17:05 |
| aelkner | so that we could put no-schoolhyears cando behnd us | 17:05 |
| aelkner | it would make my life much easier in the longriun | 17:06 |
| th1a | There is no reason you can't copy the database and see what happens. | 17:06 |
| aelkner | yes, i can do that | 17:06 |
| aelkner | that's not the issue | 17:07 |
| aelkner | i'm sure that there's no problem doing the migration | 17:07 |
| aelkner | as we already did it with jelkner's cando | 17:07 |
| aelkner | and it worked out fine | 17:07 |
| aelkner | nowe that i've got the cando interface to workj with schoolyears | 17:07 |
| aelkner | so, all i'm saying is | 17:08 |
| th1a | It doesn't really change things from the teacher's point of view, right? | 17:08 |
| aelkner | no, it was just a matter of getting the code to work | 17:08 |
| aelkner | jstraw: ayt? | 17:09 |
| th1a | I would imagine that the new pilots would want to have school years running from the start. | 17:09 |
| aelkner | me, too | 17:09 |
| ignas | I was just a bit wary of migrating to school years without cando integrating with them | 17:09 |
| aelkner | right | 17:09 |
| aelkner | so now that we've done the integration... | 17:10 |
| ignas | i mean - at the moment they will have school years, but school years will not be doing anything, and I think cando has it's own notion of school years | 17:10 |
| aelkner | no | 17:10 |
| th1a | School years will just archive the data. | 17:10 |
| aelkner | yeah | 17:10 |
| th1a | Which is kind of important ;-) | 17:10 |
| ignas | th1a: well, my point is - what happens when you add a new school year, and how it happens | 17:11 |
| jstraw | aelkner: just grab the cando from my instance | 17:11 |
| ignas | th1a: this part is not really polished or even worked on I think | 17:11 |
| aelkner | jstraw: can i call you after the meeting? | 17:11 |
| ignas | from cando perspective | 17:11 |
| th1a | OK. | 17:11 |
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| jstraw | aelkner: yes, but I am not sure how much I can help today | 17:11 |
| ignas | though - i guess migrating now and then working on the switch might be easier | 17:11 |
| th1a | Indeed. | 17:12 |
| aelkner | ignas: cando works by using the date manager's current_term | 17:12 |
| ignas | than working on some kind of switch and then migrating a bigger chunk of data | 17:12 |
| th1a | The data migration is the scary part. | 17:12 |
| ignas | aelkner: the one that I have advised to carefully avoid? | 17:12 |
| aelkner | now that i've worked with schoolyears a while | 17:12 |
| aelkner | i've seen the success of the data migration | 17:12 |
| aelkner | so i'm not nervous about it | 17:12 |
| ignas | I see | 17:13 |
| ignas | well, in that case - you probably know about it more than I do | 17:13 |
| ignas | so as long as it's OK with you and with CanDo users | 17:13 |
| aelkner | ignas: nice work on the evolution stuff | 17:13 |
| aelkner | right | 17:13 |
| aelkner | so i'll talk to dwelsh and jstraw about that | 17:13 |
| aelkner | but i just like the idea of having only one cando to maintain | 17:14 |
| th1a | It would be stupid for the pilots to not have years. | 17:14 |
| aelkner | and the current one should be as least as up to date as the pilots wil be | 17:15 |
| th1a | And you'll want Arlington and the pilots to be on the same version. | 17:15 |
| aelkner | we're on the same page | 17:15 |
| th1a | For once ;-) | 17:15 |
| aelkner | :) | 17:15 |
| aelkner | i'll shoot for that this week | 17:15 |
| th1a | Yes, you can focus on that. | 17:15 |
| aelkner | also, sla has not gotten back to me | 17:16 |
| th1a | We're still waiting to throw the switch on CAS, right? | 17:16 |
| aelkner | right | 17:16 |
| th1a | Perhaps over Christmas? | 17:16 |
| aelkner | maybe that would be best | 17:16 |
| aelkner | that would be up to chris alfano cause i'd be willing | 17:16 |
| th1a | Probably. I'll email Chris's) today. | 17:16 |
| aelkner | but certainly a good time | 17:17 |
| aelkner | with teachers out and all | 17:17 |
| aelkner | ok, thanks | 17:17 |
| th1a | Right before Christmas would tend to be a bad time. | 17:17 |
| aelkner | understood | 17:17 |
| th1a | OK. | 17:17 |
| th1a | yvl: You're up. | 17:17 |
| ignas | th1a: he is sick | 17:17 |
| ignas | th1a: so he's not in the office anymore | 17:18 |
| th1a | Ah. | 17:18 |
| th1a | Do you know if he has SchoolTool time this week? | 17:18 |
| ignas | th1a: not sure about it, he was in the office only for a short time | 17:20 |
| ignas | and I had not time to ask what he was working on at the moment | 17:20 |
| ignas | and I don't really know whether he is going to get better soon (he wants to be up tomorrow ;) | 17:20 |
| ignas | so i'll poke him to write an email as soon as i'll see him, or you could just write him an email and ask | 17:21 |
| th1a | OK. No problem. | 17:21 |
| ignas | which he will reply to as soon as he checks his email | 17:21 |
| th1a | Yes. | 17:21 |
| ignas | (might be 3-4 hours earlier than I come to the office ;) | 17:21 |
| th1a | No rush. | 17:22 |
| th1a | jstraw, jelkner: Anything else to add? | 17:22 |
| th1a | jelkner got yvl's fixes, right? | 17:22 |
| jelkner | indeed! | 17:22 |
| th1a | gradebook fixes. | 17:22 |
| jelkner | they are great | 17:22 |
| jelkner | also, i've talked to fsufitchi and ccary about philly | 17:23 |
| jelkner | they are both on board | 17:23 |
| th1a | OK. | 17:23 |
| jelkner | i talked to fsufichi's dad | 17:23 |
| jstraw | yes... I hate moodle | 17:23 |
| jstraw | and mediawiki | 17:23 |
| jstraw | <_< | 17:24 |
| jelkner | and i'll call ccarey's tonight | 17:24 |
| th1a | Yes... Ignas, when would you like to come to the US for a sprint? | 17:24 |
| th1a | Think about it. | 17:24 |
| jstraw | th1a: so, are we going to get to freeze our rears off again? | 17:24 |
| jstraw | cause if we gotta do that walk again, I need a heavier coat ;) | 17:24 |
| th1a | With a winter sprint? | 17:24 |
| jstraw | I nearly froze to death that first night | 17:25 |
| ignas | th1a: hmm, i am pretty flexible in this respect, as long as I know when at least a month or so in advance | 17:25 |
| th1a | Well, it needs to be before April, since that's the release. | 17:25 |
| th1a | I'm thinking early-February-ish. | 17:25 |
| ignas | yeah, seems like a sane date | 17:25 |
| jelkner | th1a: do u want us to host it here? | 17:25 |
| ignas | at least 2 months before release | 17:25 |
| jelkner | that way fsufitchi and ccary could be involved | 17:26 |
| th1a | jelkner: True. | 17:26 |
| th1a | Yeah, we should probably do it down there. | 17:26 |
| th1a | I miss that Best Western. | 17:27 |
| jelkner | actually, i may have a 2-bedroom condo that eveyone could stay at by then | 17:27 |
| th1a | Getting into real estate speculation? | 17:27 |
| jelkner | no, planning a longer term move to alrington | 17:27 |
| jelkner | and unable to pass up the current prices and interest rates | 17:28 |
| jelkner | i'll have to rent it eventually | 17:28 |
| th1a | Give 'em another six months. | 17:28 |
| jelkner | but i could wait until after the sprint | 17:28 |
| th1a | The market hasn't bottomed yet. | 17:28 |
| jstraw | I am hoping that in 6 months I can grab a cheap condo too :) | 17:28 |
| th1a | So perhaps jelkner should pick a date. | 17:29 |
| jelkner | indeed | 17:29 |
| th1a | SInce the rest of us just have to show up ;-) | 17:30 |
| th1a | btw, I think we're not coming to the inauguration. | 17:31 |
| jelkner | my wife and i go to puerto rico the weekend of the 14th | 17:31 |
| jelkner | for our 20th anniversary | 17:31 |
| th1a | 14th of? | 17:31 |
| jelkner | feb | 17:31 |
| th1a | Congratulations. | 17:31 |
| jelkner | thanks | 17:31 |
| jelkner | feb meets ingnas's criteria | 17:31 |
| jelkner | 2 months before april | 17:31 |
| jelkner | so the big question is | 17:32 |
| jelkner | which weekend | 17:32 |
| jelkner | ? | 17:32 |
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| jelkner | ignas: do u think early febuary or late? | 17:32 |
| th1a | Early. | 17:32 |
| jelkner | what about february 6, 7, and 8? | 17:32 |
| th1a | That looks right. | 17:33 |
| jelkner | is 3 days the right number? | 17:33 |
| th1a | Yes. | 17:33 |
| ignas | jelkner: keep in mind that I have to fly there ;) | 17:33 |
| th1a | I think so. | 17:33 |
| ignas | jelkner: so i might have to get there a day early or something like that | 17:33 |
| th1a | Right. | 17:33 |
| jelkner | ignas: u are always welcome | 17:34 |
| ignas | also maybe leave the next day after sprint in the morning | 17:34 |
| jelkner | and we can put you up | 17:34 |
| jelkner | (if you are not living large in my new condo ;-) | 17:34 |
| jelkner | aelkner should come down too | 17:34 |
| jelkner | for as long as ignas is here | 17:34 |
| aelkner_ | of course | 17:34 |
| th1a | So we need to get replacafil in on this too. | 17:35 |
| jelkner | yes | 17:35 |
| th1a | Can you let him know? I'll write a letter when needed. | 17:35 |
| jelkner | he reads these logs religiously, so u just did | 17:35 |
| jelkner | ok, i'll reserve the building | 17:36 |
| th1a | OK. Let me know when that's done. | 17:36 |
| jelkner | will do | 17:36 |
| th1a | Speaking of which, I think this meeting is done. | 17:36 |
| jelkner | i have incoming students soon | 17:37 |
| jelkner | so i need to go | 17:37 |
| th1a | Have a great week, and looking forward to another successful year, gentlemen! | 17:37 |
| * th1a drops the bag of grave. | 17:37 | |
| jelkner | rock on! | 17:37 |
| th1a | gravel. | 17:37 |
| th1a | :-) | 17:37 |
| ignas | :D | 17:37 |
| * th1a drops the bag of gravel. | 17:37 | |
| th1a | (for search purposes) | 17:38 |
| ignas | we know ;) | 17:38 |
| th1a | Talk amongst yourselves. | 17:38 |
| aelkner_ | i'm getting verklemmt | 17:38 |
| jelkner | cya all later... | 17:38 |
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| th1a | ignas: Awesome new EVE Devblog out. | 18:04 |
| ignas | th1a: will read it some time ;) I am seriously behind my blog reading again ;) | 18:09 |
| ignas | *behind on | 18:09 |
| th1a | ignas: Well, major client performance increases coming this week. | 18:26 |
| th1a | For when you decide to start joining giant fleet battles ;-) | 18:26 |
| ignas | :) | 18:26 |
| ignas | yeah, me vs BoB | 18:27 |
| th1a | It seems like improving server performance has revealed some complacency in the client. | 18:28 |
| th1a | So they're finally adding things like "turn off drone models." | 18:29 |
| * th1a should stop distracting his contractors. | 18:30 | |
| ignas | :) | 18:30 |
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| replaceafill | ignas, i did a trunk checkout of schooltool and set my instance lang to es | 18:45 |
| replaceafill | ignas, but i noticed the po files are not compiled to mo files | 18:45 |
| th1a | ignas: We need some translation file love soon. | 18:46 |
| replaceafill | th1a, i got ur mail about chile's interest in schooltool | 18:47 |
| ignas | replaceafill: go to a checkout of schooltool | 18:47 |
| ignas | and do "make update-translations" | 18:48 |
| replaceafill | ignas, :O!! | 18:48 |
| ignas | replaceafill: it will compile po files into mo files | 18:48 |
| ignas | replaceafill: understandably we are trying not to have autogenerated files in bzr | 18:48 |
| ignas | replaceafill: i think mo files should be present in eggs though | 18:49 |
| replaceafill | ignas, could the make build rule include update-translations? | 18:49 |
| ignas | replaceafill: sorry it's "make compile-translations" | 18:49 |
| replaceafill | ignas, ah ok | 18:49 |
| ignas | replaceafill: well - most of the time you have a buildout and have a schooltool checkout in which you don't run buildout at all | 18:49 |
| ignas | like schooltool.stapp2008spring (in which you run make build) and a checkout of schooltool that is referenced in schooltool.stapp2008spring/buildout.cfg | 18:50 |
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| th1a_ | Hey. | 18:53 |
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| jstraw | aelkner: here? | 22:24 |
| aelkner | jstraw: did you get my private message? | 22:30 |
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| budgester_ | Hi I am wondering how I can extend the information about people in school tool | 23:45 |
| budgester_ | i.e add more fields | 23:45 |
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