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| dwelsh | jstraw: yvl is wanting to skype with you in 10-15 mins. | 19:32 |
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| dwelsh | he says csv import is ready. | 19:32 |
| jstraw | hi | 19:32 |
| jstraw | ok | 19:33 |
| dwelsh | I'm sending the file of students to you now. | 19:33 |
| dwelsh | via gmail. | 19:33 |
| jstraw | I need login info from skype | 19:33 |
| jstraw | matt's computer just crashed out totally | 19:33 |
| yvl | jstraw: justas.pov | 19:33 |
| jstraw | while you send that | 19:33 |
| jstraw | I am going to grab a quick lunch | 19:34 |
| ignas | jstraw: ping | 20:31 |
| jstraw | hi | 20:31 |
| ignas | i need some detailed info about the way you will be deploying cando | 20:32 |
| jstraw | ok | 20:32 |
| jstraw | do you have questions | 20:32 |
| ignas | and if possible as much info as possible about data set sizes and the way they will be entered | 20:32 |
| ignas | what kind of setup/buildout do you have? | 20:32 |
| jstraw | ok. minimum 2500 max 10000 students | 20:32 |
| ignas | what checkouts are you making | 20:32 |
| ignas | which dependencies are being pulled as eggs | 20:32 |
| jstraw | I am checking out from yvl's competency-model-refactor-6 branch | 20:33 |
| ignas | yeah, and for other dependencies? | 20:33 |
| jstraw | no changes to dependency or checkout information beyond that | 20:33 |
| jstraw | so everything but cando is an egg | 20:33 |
| ignas | ok | 20:33 |
| jstraw | probably 40 -60 teachers long run | 20:33 |
| ignas | how many sections/courses | 20:34 |
| jstraw | dwelsh: how many sections/courses are we dealing with? | 20:34 |
| jstraw | the state pilot is smaller then the Arlington deployment | 20:35 |
| ignas | the more precise the better | 20:35 |
| jstraw | dwelsh has better numbers then I | 20:35 |
| * ignas is worried about performance issues | 20:35 | |
| jstraw | so is yvl | 20:35 |
| ignas | so if I could recreate the setup *before* | 20:35 |
| ignas | the actual deployment | 20:35 |
| ignas | it would be very nice | 20:35 |
| jstraw | that's what we're doing now really | 20:36 |
| ignas | or else - you will have problems, and you will have to wait until they are fixed | 20:36 |
| jstraw | yea | 20:36 |
| ignas | the downsides at the moment are - you are using schooltool_2008.10 eggs | 20:36 |
| jstraw | you can move us along whenever | 20:36 |
| ignas | which means that all speed related fixes must fall into that branch *before* school year fixes | 20:37 |
| jstraw | I don't have a great follow on where / when we do updates | 20:37 |
| ignas | I don't think you want to get your instance updated to use schoolyears in the next 2-3 weeks, do you? | 20:37 |
| jstraw | not really | 20:37 |
| yvl | no, we don't :) | 20:37 |
| jstraw | ignas: I am expecting to have an instance up in an hour or so | 20:38 |
| jstraw | dwelsh is planning to make all the courses | 20:38 |
| ignas | I see | 20:38 |
| jstraw | and I am importing students | 20:38 |
| jstraw | at which point we can give a couple accounts so you can look around | 20:38 |
| jstraw | if that helps you out any | 20:38 |
| ignas | not really, I just need to know things like precise amount of students, count of sections, count of students per section, count of courses and count of sections per course... | 20:39 |
| ignas | so I could tell you what parts of the system will break | 20:40 |
| ignas | and actually fix them by using a simmilar dataset on my own machine | 20:40 |
| jstraw | ok | 20:40 |
| ignas | because I can't do experiments on your server... | 20:40 |
| jstraw | 24 students per section | 20:40 |
| jstraw | maybe 30 if someone is really pushing it | 20:41 |
| ignas | the smaller the sections, the more of them you get... can one student be in more than one section? | 20:41 |
| jstraw | yes | 20:43 |
| ignas | jstraw: at the moment, parts that will most probably fail with ~8k of students are - Group views for Students group, filtering by group in section membership view | 20:43 |
| jstraw | yvl was mentioning that | 20:43 |
| ignas | so with 8k of students and one student in 3 sections on average we can expect around 1000 sections | 20:44 |
| jstraw | dwelsh is looking here now | 20:44 |
| dwelsh | ignas, I shared with you the current list of sections | 20:44 |
| dwelsh | they number about 260 | 20:44 |
| dwelsh | ignas: I shared with you the current list of sections | 20:44 |
| ignas | dwelsh: i see, hmm, these are all the sections | 20:44 |
| dwelsh | Usually there are between 10 and 20 students per section | 20:45 |
| dwelsh | 10 * 260 = 2,600 | 20:45 |
| ignas | oh | 20:45 |
| ignas | only that much | 20:45 |
| ignas | then you can probably survive without any changes | 20:46 |
| dwelsh | 15 * 260 = 3,900 | 20:46 |
| ignas | even if it will get slow in some places | 20:46 |
| dwelsh | But there may be some repeat students in there. | 20:46 |
| dwelsh | Total pool of possible students is 8,000 (all middle and high school students) | 20:46 |
| dwelsh | So we want to load 8,000 students on in the persons database | 20:46 |
| dwelsh | plus about 100 teachers | 20:46 |
| dwelsh | Then setup 260 sections | 20:46 |
| dwelsh | And associate the competency lists with those sections | 20:47 |
| dwelsh | and add the students to them | 20:47 |
| jstraw | dwelsh: why are we loading all students instead of the people we want | 20:47 |
| jstraw | or trying to | 20:47 |
| ignas | hmm, the advice is - filter section members by name+surname instead of by "students" group when adding students to sections | 20:47 |
| ignas | if that makes any sense to you | 20:47 |
| jstraw | it does | 20:48 |
| dwelsh | We will have another instance at the State of Virginia which will be only about 20% as big as our instance. | 20:48 |
| dwelsh | So if we can handle our setup, the State should not have a problem. | 20:48 |
| ignas | cool | 20:48 |
| dwelsh | That's why we're pushing so hard to get this setup and running. | 20:49 |
| dwelsh | That plus classes start TOMORROW! | 20:49 |
| ignas | makes a lot of sense | 20:49 |
| jstraw | dwelsh: I'm starting up the server now | 20:49 |
| dwelsh | That State will probably want their setup in a couple of weeks | 20:49 |
| dwelsh | Awesome | 20:49 |
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| jstraw | ignas: can you please get the build-dep's out of make ubuntu-environment | 21:08 |
| ignas | jstraw: ? | 21:08 |
| ignas | as in - remove | 21:08 |
| ignas | or as in - get them for you | 21:08 |
| ignas | or as in - replace them with actual dependencies | 21:08 |
| jstraw | 3 | 21:08 |
| ignas | so it would work for people who don't have the source packages enabled | 21:08 |
| jstraw | exactly | 21:09 |
| jstraw | I rarely enable source packages | 21:09 |
| yvl | ok guys, I'm going home | 21:10 |
| yvl | in case of a fire - ping Ignas if he's around | 21:11 |
| yvl | (to call me and bring me back to the office) | 21:11 |
| jstraw | ok | 21:12 |
| dwelsh | thank, yvl | 21:14 |
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