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| th1a | hi aelkner, ignas, jfroche, Lumiere, jelkner. | 16:32 |
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| aelkner | hi | 16:32 |
| aelkner | since noone else seems to be responding, shall i start? | 16:34 |
| ignas | hi | 16:34 |
| ignas | yes | 16:34 |
| ignas | ;) | 16:34 |
| th1a | Hey. | 16:34 |
| th1a | Go ahead, aelkner. | 16:35 |
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| aelkner | well, since i was sick all last week, i didn't get much done | 16:35 |
| aelkner | on saturday, i felt much better, so i got a lot done with the gradebook | 16:35 |
| aelkner | but then yesterday, i seemed to have dipped into a different kind of fatigue | 16:35 |
| aelkner | so i couldn't finish like i had hoped | 16:36 |
| aelkner | i hate this time of year | 16:36 |
| aelkner | and it prpbably doesn't help that i moved recently | 16:36 |
| aelkner | same thing happened to me last year | 16:36 |
| aelkner | after i moved as well | 16:36 |
| aelkner | anyway | 16:36 |
| aelkner | i will copntinue to work on the gradebook this week | 16:36 |
| aelkner | i did talk to jeff last night to make sure i was on the right track | 16:37 |
| aelkner | and our discussion verified that i need to make a slight change | 16:37 |
| aelkner | but it won't take long | 16:37 |
| aelkner | in the meantime, i've spoken with filip | 16:37 |
| aelkner | and assigned him a cando bug | 16:38 |
| aelkner | hope you don't mind | 16:38 |
| th1a | No problem. | 16:38 |
| aelkner | it has to do with jquery and a bug with mousing over | 16:38 |
| th1a | That's fine with me. | 16:38 |
| aelkner | also, eldar said he was available, but i haven't heard from him since | 16:38 |
| aelkner | i wrote him that i thought he could help with a project that is on the blocks | 16:38 |
| aelkner | that being converting journals to messages | 16:39 |
| aelkner | you may have noticed that i changed the UI to make journals look like messages | 16:39 |
| aelkner | but the last part involves actually changing the classes | 16:39 |
| th1a | That's probably a good job for him. | 16:39 |
| aelkner | and that will involve writing evolve scripts | 16:39 |
| aelkner | i thought it would be | 16:39 |
| aelkner | since he already has worked with journals | 16:40 |
| aelkner | btw, i noticed that you were looking for sample data with journals? | 16:40 |
| aelkner | well, i think that we should wait until eldar has changed them to messages | 16:40 |
| aelkner | then one of use could supply the sample data | 16:40 |
| aelkner | ok? | 16:41 |
| th1a | OK. What about gradebook? | 16:41 |
| aelkner | so the change has to do with the adjustment | 16:41 |
| aelkner | not having jeff at my disposal, i assumed the adjustment would be a numeric one | 16:41 |
| th1a | I mean, sample data for gradebook? | 16:41 |
| aelkner | +1 or -1 | 16:41 |
| aelkner | oh, that | 16:41 |
| aelkner | i could do that this week, too | 16:41 |
| aelkner | should i skip the other discussion | 16:42 |
| aelkner | ? | 16:42 |
| th1a | No... I just didn't want to lose that point. | 16:42 |
| th1a | Go ahead. | 16:42 |
| aelkner | ok, so i coded the adjustment as a numeric additive, but after talking with jeff, he agreed that users would find -1 to be confusing | 16:43 |
| aelkner | so instead, they will put in a letter iverride | 16:43 |
| aelkner | override | 16:43 |
| aelkner | still with a reason | 16:43 |
| aelkner | it's a small change | 16:43 |
| aelkner | but then, i need to code my view to accept changes to the adjustments | 16:43 |
| aelkner | till now i only have the unit tests and the view | 16:44 |
| aelkner | so that's all i got | 16:44 |
| th1a | Reports? | 16:45 |
| th1a | What did you do about Jeff's report with too many columns? | 16:45 |
| aelkner | hmm | 16:45 |
| aelkner | i don't recall that at the moment | 16:45 |
| aelkner | is that the one that Keven was supposed to help with? | 16:46 |
| aelkner | the CSV thing? | 16:46 |
| th1a | Well, ask him about it. It shouldn't be hard to fix if he knows what he wants. | 16:46 |
| th1a | No, the printout. | 16:46 |
| th1a | Some of his gradebooks are too big? | 16:46 |
| aelkner | i'll talk to him about it | 16:46 |
| th1a | OK. Check. | 16:47 |
| th1a | If you could get the sample data done this year, that would be helpful (for gradebook). | 16:47 |
| aelkner | he'll be staying here over xmas break | 16:47 |
| aelkner | so we'll have a good chance to go over tings | 16:48 |
| th1a | I guess. | 16:48 |
| aelkner | well, yeah, as much time as one has over xmas break | 16:48 |
| th1a | I'll ping Chris again about setting a date to meet. His schedule is much more constrained than mine so I need to get him to pick the time. | 16:48 |
| aelkner | but i'll get that sample data to you as soon as i can | 16:48 |
| th1a | Cool. | 16:48 |
| th1a | ignas? | 16:49 |
| ignas | not much this week too, got knocked out by "stomach flu" | 16:49 |
| ignas | or whatever it's called in the states | 16:49 |
| aelkner | sounds like what i've had | 16:49 |
| th1a | OK. | 16:49 |
| ignas | so i only did small bits of design for the timeline, mostly thinking of how to work with relationships | 16:50 |
| ignas | and how to make them timed properly without changing the current interface | 16:50 |
| ignas | mgedmin helped me in prototyping a bit | 16:51 |
| ignas | as much as he could, as I was staying at home | 16:51 |
| ignas | the thing is quite contagious | 16:51 |
| th1a | Ah. You could easily shut the whole company down. | 16:51 |
| ignas | i think so, i mean I have succeeded in shutting down everyone at home :/ | 16:51 |
| th1a | Even the cat? | 16:52 |
| ignas | nope ;) these are immune i think ;) | 16:52 |
| ignas | so I spent the weekend taking care of others | 16:52 |
| th1a | Such a nice young man. | 16:52 |
| th1a | jfroche: are you around? | 16:53 |
| th1a | I'm going to have to get jfroche to upgrade plone, I guess. | 16:53 |
| th1a | Meanwhile, I'm waiting for my OLPC's to arrive... | 16:54 |
| ignas | so at the moment i am implementing the science fiction that I have posted on the mailing list, and seeing if it can work | 16:55 |
| th1a | ...waiting for our LaunchPad PPA bug to be fixed. | 16:55 |
| th1a | ignas: OK. | 16:55 |
| th1a | The relationships part seems hard. | 16:55 |
| ignas | th1a: how could i help you repackage schooltool dependencies? | 16:55 |
| th1a | Well, if we can remove "pre-depends" from the zope3 package, then it would work. | 16:56 |
| ignas | i mean it would be very nice to use the stable eggs, so someone just needs to switch to them instead of dev7890 versions | 16:56 |
| th1a | I don't know if the "pre-depends" is strictly necessary. | 16:56 |
| th1a | Oh. | 16:56 |
| th1a | I see. | 16:56 |
| th1a | New debs. | 16:56 |
| th1a | Ask jinty? | 16:56 |
| ignas | i guess | 16:57 |
| th1a | That's a good idea, though. | 16:57 |
| th1a | I forgot the debs weren't using KGS. | 16:57 |
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| ignas | we will have to do that to be sure our debs are compatible with the official Zope3.4 | 16:58 |
| th1a | Yes, that'll have to be done sooner or later. | 16:58 |
| th1a | Sooner being better. | 16:58 |
| th1a | Will there be future KGS's that work with Zope 3.4? I mean, are they planned? | 16:59 |
| th1a | Or is this pretty much THE 3.4 KGS? | 16:59 |
| th1a | (probably nobody knows) | 16:59 |
| ignas | this is THE 3.4 KGS | 16:59 |
| th1a | OK. | 16:59 |
| ignas | it even has 3.4 in the name | 16:59 |
| th1a | Makes it simpler. | 16:59 |
| ignas | anything else? | 17:01 |
| th1a | Merry Christmas? | 17:02 |
| th1a | Happy New Year? | 17:02 |
| ignas | :D | 17:02 |
| th1a | Get well soon? | 17:02 |
| ignas | Happy Holidays! ;) | 17:02 |
| aelkner | to you and yours | 17:02 |
| th1a | Thanks to you guys for getting SchoolTool back on track this year. | 17:02 |
| ignas | yep ;) let's keep it there next year :) | 17:03 |
| th1a | I think we'll have a successful 2008. | 17:03 |
| aelkner | i'm looking foward to it | 17:03 |
| * th1a drops the bag of grave. | 17:03 | |
| th1a | gravel. | 17:03 |
| th1a | bag of gravity. | 17:04 |
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| eldar | aelkner: hey | 18:20 |
| aelkner | eldar: what's up? | 18:34 |
| eldar | aelkner: i got your email | 18:35 |
| eldar | so i'm here to talk about what you want done, if you still want it done | 18:35 |
| aelkner | we definitely need your help with it | 18:35 |
| aelkner | could we talk by phone to speed up the process? | 18:36 |
| eldar | yea sure | 18:37 |
| eldar | you know my cellphone right? | 18:37 |
| aelkner | 856-433-8185 | 18:37 |
| eldar | ok | 18:37 |
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| aelkner | th1a: are you there? | 18:48 |
| th1a | I am here. | 18:48 |
| aelkner | eldar and i were wondering hopw he's going to get paid for his work with journals | 18:48 |
| th1a | Send me an invoice? | 18:48 |
| aelkner | since i've been sick and haven't billed much | 18:48 |
| aelkner | could he use your budget | 18:48 |
| aelkner | that you set aside for me? | 18:49 |
| th1a | I've got a pile of money left over for the year, so it isn't really a concern. | 18:49 |
| aelkner | by the hour? | 18:49 |
| th1a | Sure. | 18:49 |
| aelkner | how much per hour? | 18:49 |
| th1a | Whatever Welsh pays him. | 18:49 |
| aelkner | up to 40 hours/week, right? | 18:50 |
| eldar | At the end of the summer Welsh put me on 30/hr | 18:50 |
| eldar | that's fine right? | 18:50 |
| th1a | eldar: At this point, yes. | 18:51 |
| th1a | Consider it an end-of-year sale. | 18:51 |
| th1a | Christmas bonus. | 18:51 |
| eldar | Why, thank you | 18:52 |
| aelkner | ok, so i'll leave it up to you two to email each other over billing details | 18:52 |
| th1a | aelkner: You ok with meeting Jan 3rd? | 18:55 |
| aelkner | Sure | 18:55 |
| aelkner | I'll respond to the email | 18:55 |
| aelkner | in a sec | 18:56 |
| th1a | Well, I'd like to book my flight right now... so you ok with it. | 18:56 |
| th1a | ? | 18:56 |
| th1a | aelkner? | 18:57 |
| th1a | I'm going to push the button... | 18:57 |
| aelkner | yes! | 18:57 |
| th1a | OK. | 18:57 |
| * mgedmin is reviving buildbot on a new shiny 64-bit box | 19:37 | |
| mgedmin | muahahahhahahahahahaha! | 19:37 |
| *** mgedmin is now known as thunder | 19:37 | |
| * thunder rolls | 19:37 | |
| *** thunder is now known as mgedmin | 19:37 | |
| mgedmin | This machine benchmarks at 76923.1 pystones/second | 19:39 |
| mgedmin | my core 2 duo laptop does 47619 pystones/second | 19:40 |
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| eldar | mgedmin: what are the processor frequencies on your laptop, and the machines you are using right now? | 20:12 |
| mgedmin | laptop: 1.8 GHz Core 2 Duo; buildbot: 2.66 GHz Core 2 Duo | 20:15 |
| eldar | pretty cool | 20:16 |
| * mgedmin added hacky --odd and --even options to the local copy of the test runner so he could run the tests on both CPUs in parallel | 20:22 | |
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| aelkner | eldar: are you there? | 23:30 |
| eldar | aelkner: yup | 23:33 |
| aelkner | have you thought of names for the new objects? | 23:33 |
| eldar | yeah, it's hard to get my head outside of the zope pattern of thinking | 23:35 |
| eldar | of just calling things containers | 23:35 |
| aelkner | i know what you mean | 23:35 |
| eldar | MessageBox, makes sense but it might be misleading | 23:35 |
| eldar | MessageFeed might be another one | 23:39 |
| aelkner | i like MessageBox, and it won't be something that's visible to users | 23:40 |
| aelkner | so it might not be so bad as far as misleading | 23:40 |
| aelkner | i mean developers will have to follow the code anyway | 23:40 |
| eldar | ok | 23:41 |
| aelkner | so if we had MessageBoxContainer, MessageBox, and Message | 23:41 |
| aelkner | that might not be so bad | 23:41 |
| eldar | for JournalContainer, Journal, JournalEntry | 23:41 |
| aelkner | right | 23:41 |
| aelkner | shall we then? | 23:41 |
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| eldar | alright, i've been getting vbox up and running, installing ubuntu all this time | 23:42 |
| eldar | i just started the instance of cando for the first time | 23:42 |
| eldar | i stopped using ubuntu because uva system isn't very linux friendly | 23:43 |
| aelkner | darn that uva! | 23:43 |
| aelkner | what, do they have stock in Microsoft? | 23:43 |
| eldar | or os x | 23:43 |
| aelkner | or is it Apple? | 23:43 |
| eldar | it's just easier to hook up to their ubiquitous wireless with OSX or Windows | 23:44 |
| eldar | for Linux too much script writing to get it to work | 23:44 |
| eldar | what was the url for the newskin? | 23:44 |
| aelkner | i would have thought you would have an apple AND a ubuntu box at this point | 23:44 |
| aelkner | on sec | 23:44 |
| aelkner | http://localhost:7207/++skin++NewCanDo | 23:45 |
| * eldar is not an apple fan | 23:45 | |
| eldar | i just don't find the idea of a bitten apple on my devices very fetching | 23:45 |
| eldar | thank you | 23:45 |
| aelkner | aelkner isn't wither | 23:45 |
| aelkner | either | 23:45 |
| eldar | did the default manager password change? | 23:46 |
| aelkner | eldar: long before you would worry about evolve scripts | 23:46 |
| aelkner | i think you could develop the message package | 23:47 |
| aelkner | and have the tests passing | 23:47 |
| eldar | yeah, naturally | 23:47 |
| aelkner | then i think you could also change the go views to point to the message package | 23:47 |
| aelkner | and start with no messages | 23:47 |
| eldar | oh, apparently the login screen doesn't redirect anywhere upon successful login | 23:47 |
| aelkner | hugh? | 23:48 |
| aelkner | the default view should come up | 23:48 |
| aelkner | it's the newskin go view | 23:48 |
| eldar | manager/schooltool | 23:48 |
| eldar | doesn't get me anywhere | 23:48 |
| eldar | it logs me in, but i don't have permissions to view stuff | 23:49 |
| aelkner | yeah, dave and i decided that the newskin was only for teachers and students | 23:49 |
| eldar | ah i see | 23:49 |
| aelkner | i'd remove the skin in the url if you want to use the manager user | 23:50 |
| aelkner | it could be that we need to make this more sensible in the future | 23:50 |
| aelkner | but for now let's not worry about it | 23:50 |
| aelkner | eldar: i wasn't trying to state the obvious before about writing the tests first | 23:52 |
| aelkner | i was just trying to set out the steps | 23:52 |
| aelkner | so it would be tests first | 23:52 |
| aelkner | then hook up the UI so that you could practice entering messages manually | 23:53 |
| eldar | sorry, was messing around with the new skin | 23:53 |
| aelkner | then evolve welsh's data | 23:53 |
| aelkner | sound good? | 23:53 |
| eldar | ok, when you say hook up the ui | 23:54 |
| eldar | what do you mean? | 23:54 |
| aelkner | i meant changing the go views to use the message package rather than journal | 23:54 |
| eldar | ah ok | 23:54 |
| eldar | alright sounds good | 23:55 |
| aelkner | cool | 23:55 |
| eldar | so journals still work the way the used to, except there are no blogs | 23:56 |
| eldar | correct? | 23:56 |
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