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| ignas | pcardune: hi | 16:06 |
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| pcardune | ignas: hi | 16:07 |
| ignas | what can you tell me about those temporary tabs ? | 16:07 |
| pcardune | temporary tabs are for pages that don't necessarily exist within the context of a main tab and a mode | 16:08 |
| pcardune | or for when you want to compare to similar pages say... grades for two different students | 16:08 |
| ignas | and how would one create two tabs for students ? | 16:09 |
| ignas | or two tabs for student grades ? | 16:09 |
| ignas | do you go to student grades and push that link into tab registry | 16:09 |
| ignas | then go to grades of another one and push that view | 16:09 |
| pcardune | yep | 16:10 |
| pcardune | the temporary tabs aren't fully implemented yet | 16:11 |
| pcardune | right now they only show up when you click on some root level container | 16:11 |
| ignas | oh, so they do exist already ... | 16:11 |
| pcardune | yes | 16:11 |
| ignas | should I work on them | 16:11 |
| ignas | or someone else is going to finish them up ? | 16:11 |
| pcardune | if it's part of the contract, then yes work on them. I'm not sure exactly how tom feels about them. | 16:12 |
| ignas | i see | 16:13 |
| ignas | I think they are included in the contract | 16:13 |
| ignas | yet the description is too vague | 16:13 |
| ignas | i was kind of thinking that it might be nice to merge the "select user" | 16:13 |
| ignas | and temporary tabs | 16:13 |
| ignas | so you would have a linklet near users that would "select" the user | 16:14 |
| ignas | which puts him into the session and displays a temporary tab | 16:14 |
| ignas | and even highlights the selected person in the UI | 16:14 |
| ignas | in a perfect world that is ;) | 16:14 |
| ignas | same for sections | 16:14 |
| ignas | and the same selected person/section is used as a default person when it comes to showing things | 16:15 |
| ignas | but maybe these two should be separate things | 16:16 |
| ignas | you would have a slot for "selected user" and "selected section", and additionally you would have "temporary tabs" | 16:16 |
| ignas | why one needs those temporary tabs and how are they better than Firefox tabs ? | 16:17 |
| ignas | unless they change their content depending on the context (calendar, attendance, gradebook) | 16:17 |
| ignas | and if they do change their content depending on context then they are not "top level" a.k.a. they should have their separate level in navigation ... | 16:18 |
| ignas | and not displayed near "attendance" "gradebook" tabs, nor "daily" "weekly" tabs | 16:18 |
| ignas | any ideas ? | 16:19 |
| * pcardune is reading | 16:19 | |
| pcardune | we were thinking about firefox tabs... | 16:21 |
| pcardune | i like what you describe | 16:21 |
| pcardune | is there some document that has everything Tom wrote up? | 16:22 |
| pcardune | I was meaning to read it over and make comments on it, but i never saw it | 16:22 |
| ignas | quoting the letter "Also, temporary tabs can be created in the tab bar to display information about a student, for example. The temporary tabs can be dismissed by the user." | 16:23 |
| ignas | that's kind of everything about temporary tabs that was in there :/ | 16:23 |
| pcardune | oh | 16:24 |
| ignas | that's why i am bugging you and alga | 16:25 |
| pcardune | well, i'd say to wait on that specific functionality until there are a few more use cases | 16:26 |
| pcardune | I'm sure more use cases will crop up for temporary tabs once we start thinking about how all the existing pages are going to fit into the new paradigm | 16:27 |
| ignas | well, that is not going to happen for this release i think ... | 16:27 |
| pcardune | ok | 16:31 |
| pcardune | I'm trying to switch from an http working copy to an svn+ssh working copy with the following command: svn switch --relocate http://source.schooltool.org/svn/branches/CanDo-2006-Releases/ svn+ssh://pcardune@source.schooltool.org/svn/branches/CanDo-2006-Releases/ | 17:52 |
| pcardune | but i get the following error: No repository found in 'svn+ssh://pcardune@source.schooltool.org/svn/branches/CanDo-2006-Releases' | 17:52 |
| pcardune | i'm very confused | 17:52 |
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| ignas | pcardune: duh :) | 18:19 |
| ignas | svn+ssh://source.schooltool.org/svn/schooltool/trunk/schooltool | 18:19 |
| ignas | vs http://source.schooltool.org/svn/trunk/schooltool | 18:20 |
| pcardune | ignas: i know, but I want the branch and not the trunk. turns out i can get the branch over http and https, but I don't have commit access over https | 18:20 |
| ignas | ? | 18:21 |
| ignas | maybe try svn+ssh://pcardune@source.schooltool.org/svn/schooltool/svn/branches/CanDo-2006-Releases | 18:21 |
| ignas | or you did that ? | 18:22 |
| pcardune | i did not try that | 18:22 |
| pcardune | but that doesn't match the directory structure i see through the web | 18:22 |
| ignas | yes the point is | 18:23 |
| ignas | they DO NOT MATCH | 18:23 |
| ignas | that's why i pasted schooltool URLs | 18:23 |
| ignas | they are different | 18:23 |
| ignas | http and ssh one | 18:23 |
| ignas | or is it svn/cando maybe | 18:24 |
| mgedmin | ignas: too many /svn/ in your suggested url | 18:25 |
| ignas | yes i just saw that | 18:25 |
| ignas | it worked ? | 18:26 |
| * pcardune is trying now | 18:30 | |
| ignas | svn+ssh://source.schooltool.org/svn/schooltool/branches/CanDo-2006-Releases | 18:31 |
| ignas | works for me | 18:31 |
| pcardune | ok, it works for me too | 18:32 |
| pcardune | thanks | 18:32 |
| ignas | pcardune: yo still there ? | 19:01 |
| pcardune | ignas: yes | 19:02 |
| ignas | maybe you know the "plan" for this iteration ? | 19:02 |
| pcardune | uh... | 19:02 |
| ignas | i mean - do we really want to have the teacher part of the system redone | 19:02 |
| ignas | while leaving the rest of schooltool pretty much untouched | 19:02 |
| pcardune | well, redoing the teacher part means redoing everything | 19:03 |
| pcardune | i don't think admin and students will have the old UI | 19:03 |
| pcardune | the higher level navigation effects everything... | 19:03 |
| pcardune | however there are some lower level teacher specific views which will also be changed. whereas the lower level admin specific views won't change, they will just be rearranged within the new navigation | 19:04 |
| ignas | well, we won't have any places to put "actions" into | 19:05 |
| ignas | i am not sure that we want to redesign all the term/timetable/scheduling/person/group/course/section views | 19:05 |
| ignas | or do we ? | 19:05 |
| ignas | and if we do, where do we want to see current "actions" ? | 19:06 |
| ignas | as thinking of which ones can be and should be removed, visible etc. expands the scope of the iteration | 19:06 |
| ignas | removing "actions" menu from everywhere spans pretty much every existing view in the system ... | 19:08 |
| ignas | redesigning everything seems like a good idea | 19:08 |
| ignas | i like the new direction of the UI | 19:08 |
| ignas | i am just a bit afraid of the scope (in case we want to redo it completely in this iteration) | 19:08 |
| ignas | did you talk about it in the sprint ? | 19:09 |
| eldafar | Not really, we were just concentrating on the teacher view | 19:10 |
| eldafar | I don't remember any discussion on what we're going to do with the "actions" menu | 19:11 |
| ignas | i am trying to chose between "redo whole UI", "redo teacher part, replace actions, navigation with some temporary alternative", "redo teacher part, leave the rest as it was (stich them together so they would play nicely)" | 19:12 |
| eldafar | well redoing the entire UI would require user input on the administative perspective, and possibly student perspective | 19:13 |
| ignas | all of these solutions have their own problems | 19:14 |
| eldafar | indeed | 19:14 |
| ignas | i just wanted to make them public and maybe get some feedback | 19:15 |
| ignas | or more possible solutions ;) | 19:15 |
| pcardune | where is Tom today | 19:15 |
| ignas | he sent me an email like 8:30am Europe/Vilnius so he is probably sleeping ;) | 19:18 |
| pcardune | ha ha | 19:18 |
| ignas | 10 hours ago | 19:18 |
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| povbot | /svn/commits: * pcardune committed revision 6390: | 19:50 |
| povbot | /svn/commits: merged changes from trunk that we want. | 19:50 |
| pcardune | is it better practice to make bug fixes in the branch and merge them into the trunk or the other way around? | 20:04 |
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| pcardune | ignas: what can you tell me about zpkg? | 20:16 |
| pcardune | when i have a symbolic linked source package, zpkg doesn't go look for their configures | 20:16 |
| mgedmin | only jinty and srichter understand zpkg, and I'm not sure about srichter | 20:19 |
| pcardune | i was afraid of that | 20:20 |
| mgedmin | re: bugfixing & merging -- I don't know; I personally prefer to make the fixes in the trunk and backport them to release branches | 20:20 |
| pcardune | mgedmin: maybe you know of some resources I can read over? | 20:20 |
| mgedmin | try asking in #zope3-dev | 20:20 |
| srichter | fdrake also knows zpkgtools | 20:23 |
| srichter | (he wrote it) | 20:23 |
| pcardune | oh, well then, i should ask him | 20:24 |
| pcardune | although i really only have a very specific problem which jinty could probably fix in about 5 seconds | 20:24 |
| pcardune | where as it might take me a day to learn zpkg more than i ever wanted to, and another day to fix the problem... | 20:25 |
| pcardune | it seems that os.walk does not process symbolic links | 20:35 |
| mgedmin | no, it doesn't | 20:44 |
| mgedmin | I once wrote a replacement that does | 20:44 |
| mgedmin | I think it was in the schooltool's test runner | 20:44 |
| srichter | mmh, I know that Zope's testrujnner did once too, but probably not the new implementation ;-( | 20:46 |
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| povbot | /svn/commits: * pcardune committed revision 6391: | 22:07 |
| povbot | /svn/commits: default schooltool page is not the dashboard instead of the calendar. some unit tests are breaking, but nothing is actually broken. | 22:07 |
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| pcardune | is there a way of setting default skins without using traverse events and applyskin? | 22:30 |
| pcardune | how does the schooltool skin get applied? | 22:30 |
| pcardune | mgedmin or ignas, how does the schooltool skin get set? i removed the subscriber configuration for the BeforeTraverseEvent functions using applySkin and I still get the schooltool skin | 22:37 |
| mgedmin | it is set in zcml | 22:37 |
| mgedmin | as the default skin | 22:37 |
| pcardune | i thought that got deprecated... | 22:37 |
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| pcardune | mgedmin: which zcml file is it registered in? | 22:38 |
| mgedmin | no idea | 22:38 |
| mgedmin | but I have good unix find+grep skills if you need help finding it | 22:39 |
| pcardune | i do to, but i'm not really sure what i'm looking for | 22:40 |
| pcardune | well, not *as* good | 22:40 |
| pcardune | i would be very thankful if you did help me find it | 22:41 |
| mgedmin | do you remember the name of the skin? | 22:42 |
| mgedmin | the interface | 22:42 |
| pcardune | ISchoolToolSkin | 22:42 |
| mgedmin | hey, check out src/schooltool/app/browser/skin.py | 22:43 |
| mgedmin | it *is* a traversal event subscriber that calls applySkin | 22:43 |
| mgedmin | I thought somebody had changed it | 22:44 |
| pcardune | yeah... i saw that, and then i disabled it | 22:44 |
| pcardune | and i still get the schooltool skin | 22:44 |
| mgedmin | schooltool/devmode/overrides.zcml also enables it | 22:45 |
| mgedmin | or something like that | 22:45 |
| mgedmin | ISchoolToolDevModeSkin | 22:45 |
| pcardune | i have devmode turned off :/ | 22:45 |
| pcardune | aha, finally it worked | 22:47 |
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