IRC log of #schooltool for Monday, 2006-01-23

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Travis__I tried out school tool00:59
Travis__its intresting01:00
Travis__but I found the menu layout a little bad01:00
Travis__its hard to find stuff01:00
Travis__I think when you click on persons for example, it the actions should come out right under it like in smaller text instead of having actions at the very end of the menu01:04
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Travis__its kind of does a different thing then I thought01:12
Travis__I thought it would be kind of like Centre with a better interface and no fees for modules01:13
Travis__it gets part of that01:14
Travis__but the product is great and shows much potential01:20
Travis__think what bothers me is the wording of stuff01:29
Travis__the rest is awesome01:29
Travis__but like courses sections etc.01:29
Travis__it needs to be clarified what exactly they are01:30
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povbot/svn/commits: * srichter committed revision 5675:05:09
povbot/svn/commits: Implemented a new breadcrumb API that allows us to alter the name more easily. By default the title is used if found. Then it will fall back to the name.05:09
povbot/svn/commits: Overall I hope that this will improve or at least help to improve the breadcrumbs.05:09
th1asrichter:  Did I forget to put sample data in the gradebook proposal?05:09
th1aI think I did.05:09
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srichterth1a: yeah, sample data was not part of the proposal14:23
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srichtermgedmin: where is the adapter IPerson(request.principal) defined?15:04
povbot/svn/commits: * ignas committed revision 5676:15:05
povbot/svn/commits: Add options that Tom requested to SectionSampleData generation plugin.15:05
srichterahh, thanks15:11
srichteroh, that will be nice because I might not even need to register the adapter then15:11
mgedminyep, that's very convenient for unit tests15:14
mgedminalthough, I believe, __conform__ takes precedence over the adapter machinery, so you can't really override that adapter15:14
srichterI think that's right15:14
srichterbtw, I *love* the package15:16
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povbot/svn/commits: * srichter committed revision 5677:15:39
povbot/svn/commits: Incorporated Marius' suggestions as applicable.15:39
povbot/svn/commits: * srichter committed revision 5678:15:41
povbot/svn/commits: Forgot to correct an English twister.15:41
mgedminsrichter, almost15:48
mgedminbut not quite15:48
mgedminyou have to use calendar.expand and figure out the timezone to set the date boundaries correctly15:49
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povbot/svn/commits: * srichter committed revision 5679:15:55
povbot/svn/commits: Indentation fix.15:55
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th1aOK, guess we're meeting tomorrow.16:18
srichterI am here16:21
th1aIt looks like it is warming up a bit in Vilnius... +4 F.16:22
srichteroh, it's nice there16:22
srichterluckily we are getting some winter today as well16:22
th1aI think alga and mgedmin went swimming.16:22
srichterhe he, on ice?16:22
th1aYou can make a hole.16:23
srichterat those temperatures it won't be open for long16:29
th1aTrue.  That's why you need a couple warm bodies in the hole.16:29
srichterth1a: did you see the breadcrumb checkin16:32
th1aI had a busy weekend... big Steelers game.16:32
srichteryeah, they played really well16:33
srichterso did Seattle16:33
srichterI think the superbowl might be quiet good this year16:33
th1aShould be a good Super Bowl.16:33
srichterthough I am in Europe of course :-(16:33
th1aMy goal for the day is to put some screenshots of the recent work on the website.16:35
th1aAnd go over the gradebook work.16:52
srichterth1a: do you know whether there is an API call for getting all students of a section?17:05
th1aI don't know offhand.17:06
th1asrichter:  I may end up giving your gradebook a real life test sooner than we thought.17:29
srichterth1a: oh oh, how?17:31
th1aI've been stuck doing the grades for my old school, since they were dependent on my homebrew Zope system before.17:32
th1aI thought they'd have something else in place this semester, but I just got an email from the Principal that suggests not.17:33
srichterso we need weights, etc?17:33
th1aThey just need some way to pass the final scores to me.17:33
th1aWe've used spreadsheets the past year.17:34
th1aIt is a simple case.17:34
srichterso you would need a spreadsheet export?17:35
th1aNo, I'd just have them enter the scores into a ST gradebook.17:35
th1aAnd then generate reports from that.17:35
srichterI see17:36
th1aYes.  Actually this use case is closer to CanDo than a gradebook.17:37
th1aBut I'd rather use the Gradebook.17:37
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clarkkjust thought I'd barge in and say I'd like to see some new screenshots17:47
clarkkI don't have time to build the latest SchoolTool, so a screenshot or two would be nice to see17:48
th1aThat's what I've been thinking.17:48
clarkkreading the irc logs it looks like things are progressing fairly quickly; that's really good to see17:51
th1aThings are speeding up.17:51
clarkkHave any pilot schools started testing it yet?17:52
th1aThere are some schools informally using the calendaring, but that's it.17:57
th1aWell, and CanDo, which is a competency tracking system built on SchoolTool,17:57
th1awhich is in production use in some schools in Virginia.17:57
clarkkWell, thanks for the update and I look forward to seeing some new screenshots.18:04
th1aI'll try to get some up tonight.18:04
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povbot/svn/commits: * srichter committed revision 5680:18:59
povbot/svn/commits: First experiments with a dashboard. Nothing much is done yet; so don't include it in the release yet; it's missing tests and some direction.18:59
povbot/svn/commits: http://localhost:7080/@@dashboard.html18:59
srichterth1a: are you there?19:10
th1aYes, chatting with Helen from TSF.19:11
srichterth1a: I am starting to write up a basic list of requirements for the entire term and flow integration19:20
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povbot/svn/commits: * ignas committed revision 5681:21:31
povbot/svn/commits: Fixed a typo.21:31
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povbot/svn/commits: * ignas committed revision 5682:21:32
povbot/svn/commits: Add homeroom periods to school timetable generated by sample data.21:32
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srichtermgedmin: are you there?22:11
mgedminsrichter, yes22:11
srichtermgedmin: wanna chat about archiving a bit? :-)22:11
mgedminI'm not feeling mentally up to it22:11
* mgedmin 's brain is tired22:11
srichterI suggest going to bed :-)22:11
mgedminoh, it's already 22 pm here22:11
mgedminum, that's 10 pm22:12
srichterI understand 22:00 well22:12
srichterth1a: are you there?22:13
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th1aI'm here now.22:26
srichterth1a: hi22:27
srichterI just need some more brainstorming to solidify ideas22:27
srichterCan I sedn you what I have and then we chat about it a little bit?22:27
th1aLooks like I'm going to be spending the rest of the week setting up gradebooks for the school here.22:28
th1aGo ahead.22:28
* srichter is nerveous22:28
srichterabout you using the gradebook so soon after creation :-)22:29
th1aWell, everything I've done at school was written immediately before it was needed, plus I didn't know what I was doing.22:30
th1aSo it is nothing new.22:30
srichterhe he22:30
srichterfile should be there22:30
th1aI'd say something like "the archiving API is used to archive objects that are inactive, such as sections that have been completed or students who have withdrawn or graduated."22:33
th1aI think your discussion of multiple term structures is unclear.22:36
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srichter(note that I just brain-dumped info from Friday's meeting.)22:37
th1aYes, I understand.22:37
srichterI still think the whole story is not coherent enough22:37
th1aDid we ever get you to install Gobby?22:37
th1aWe could try that.22:37
srichterth1a: are you referring to the text below the term tree?22:37
srichterlet me see whether I can find a Mandrake RPM of Gobby22:37
th1aIt seems to me that there will have to be a way for plug ins to register their archiving behavior, although that doesn't have to work yet.22:45
srichtercan you give me use cases?22:46
srichterI want to capture it at least22:46
th1aFor example, do commendations need to be archived?22:46
th1aThey probably don't actually,22:46
th1abut if they did, would they need to indicate that to some other part of the system,22:47
th1aSay you wanted to archive commendations whenever the student who was commended became inactive.22:47
srichtergood point22:48
th1aOr perhaps you'd have an end of year routine that plug-ins could register with.22:48
th1aYou wouldn't need an event to archive commendations exactly when the student withdrew,22:48
srichterwell, I think we will definitely fire special end of term events22:49
th1abut at the end of the year you'd sweep through the commendations and see which ones were inactive.22:49
th1aI think archiving can generally be an annual event.22:49
th1aWell, for non-core things.22:50
th1aSections need to become inactive, students need to withdraw at an exact point.22:50
srichterok, I think I got gobby installed after getting a bunch of packages from cooker22:51
srichterok, how can we make this work?22:51
srichterI am behind a router, so it would be hard for me to start a session22:52
th1aPort fowarding?22:53
th1aI can try hosting it.22:53
srichteryeah, but I dunno how to do it without looking at it22:53
srichterlet me try22:53
srichterok, my routers Web UI seems to amke it easy22:55
srichtertry this: on port 652222:56
srichterth1a: still there?22:57
th1aI'm back.22:58
srichtertry above IP and port with gobby22:58
th1aSeg fault.22:59
th1aOh well.22:59
srichterwhich version do you have?22:59
srichterI have 0.322:59
th1aI have
srichtercan you get a lter one?23:00
th1aWell, it doesn't look like it would be a time SAVING process at this point.23:02
th1aI think I should just make some edits and send the draft back to you.23:03
srichterok, please dumb anything you can come up with23:03
th1aOK.  Give me 45 minutes or so.23:05
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srichterth1a: wanna try another collaborative text editor?23:39
srichtergo to moonedit.com23:39
th1aI'm typing away... is it an online tool?23:40
th1aWeb based?23:40
srichterit is no fancy deb file, but it works well23:40
srichterno, real editor23:40
th1aI don't want to stop and mess with it.23:40
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th1asrichter:  Almost done...23:55
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