IRC log of #schooltool for Thursday, 2005-09-22

th1asrichter: ayt?00:08
th1aI've run into a roadblock with my little authentication project.00:09
th1aHere's a traceback:00:10
th1aErm... it is on my other computer...  just a se.00:10
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hoffman|edubu2005-09-21T17:07:22 ERROR SiteError http://localhost:8080/test/@@signup00:11
hoffman|edubuTraceback (most recent call last):00:11
hoffman|edubu  File "/home/hoffman/Zope-3.1/src/zope/publisher/", line 138, in publish00:11
hoffman|edubu    result = publication.callObject(request, object)00:11
hoffman|edubu  File "/home/hoffman/Zope-3.1/src/zope/app/publication/", line 164, in callObject00:11
hoffman|edubu    return mapply(ob, request.getPositionalArguments(), request)00:11
hoffman|edubu  File "/home/hoffman/Zope-3.1/src/zope/publisher/", line 113, in mapply00:11
hoffman|edubu    return debug_call(object, args)00:11
hoffman|edubu  File "/home/hoffman/Zope-3.1/src/zope/publisher/", line 119, in debug_call00:11
hoffman|edubu    return object(*args)00:11
hoffman|edubu  File "/home/hoffman/Zope-3.1/src/tyre/browser/", line 24, in signUp00:11
hoffman|edubu    principal_source = self._getPrincipalSource()00:11
hoffman|edubu  File "/home/hoffman/Zope-3.1/src/tyre/browser/", line 13, in _getPrincipalSource00:11
hoffman|edubu    context=self.context)00:11
hoffman|edubu  File "/home/hoffman/Zope-3.1/src/zope/component/bbb/", line 90, in getService00:12
hoffman|edubu    return getServices(context).getService(name)00:12
hoffman|edubu  File "/home/hoffman/Zope-3.1/src/zope/component/bbb/", line 150, in getService00:12
hoffman|edubu    raise ComponentLookupError(name)00:12
hoffman|edubuComponentLookupError: 'Authentication'00:12
srichteroy this is issue is a bit bigger than I thought00:12
hoffman|edubuI kinda figured it would be...00:12
srichterwe need to register the authentication service interface first00:12
srichterhoffman|edubu: btw, I really think you should use
srichter(iow, the new PAU)00:13
hoffman|edubuI agree, in theory.00:13
srichterthis way we can help you better :-)00:13
hoffman|edubuAlthough I think this compatability bug should be fixed.00:13
srichterI know00:16
th1aOK.  Printing out README.txt00:17
srichteryou know you can start API doc and get the file nicely renderd in HTML00:18
th1aI forgot!00:19
srichterth1a: the URL SchoolToolApplication/acl.html is never reachable from the browser00:30
th1aNot sure what you mean.00:31
srichterif you want the ACL list of SchoolToolApplication you cannot00:31
srichterbecause you are immediately redirected to the SchoolToolApplication calendar00:31
th1aIt is my understanding that it is the same thing.00:32
srichterno, it is not00:32
th1aThat is, the calendar doesn't really have its own acl.00:32
srichterI just converted a usual ftest to a browser ftest and I got a failure00:32
th1aWell, file a bug.  I've tried to test it manually and it seemed to work ok for me.00:33
srichterI leave a lot of XXX in the tests :-)00:33
srichteri.e. it is not the only occurence of such a usability bug00:35
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povbot/svn/commits: * srichter committed revision 5046:04:26
povbot/svn/commits: Shut up libxml2 messages for all tests.04:27
povbot/svn/commits: * srichter committed revision 5047:04:36
povbot/svn/commits: We are shutting libxml2 up now more globally now.04:36
povbot/svn/commits: * srichter committed revision 5048:04:37
povbot/svn/commits: Yipee, one of the large files converted to test browser. I discovered several usability and programming bugs and marked them with XXX comments.04:37
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povbot/svn/commits: * srichter committed revision 5049:05:14
povbot/svn/commits: Converted two more files to test browser.05:14
povbot/svn/commits: * srichter committed revision 5050:05:16
povbot/svn/commits: Another file converted. Note that I purposefully did not convert those calls to testbrowser, since urllib2 will create a Python error for those HTTP errors and we would not see the contents.05:16
povbot/svn/commits: * srichter committed revision 5051:05:39
povbot/svn/commits: Removed unneeded line/05:39
povbot/svn/commits: * srichter committed revision 5052:05:40
povbot/svn/commits: Converted to use test browser.05:40
povbot/svn/commits: * srichter committed revision 5053:05:47
povbot/svn/commits: Oops, fix libxml2 stuff.05:47
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ignasany developers online ?14:22
SteveAyou're looking for early developers?14:30
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bskahanignas, good morning15:04
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ignasmaybe you know - why was the show all button (batching) removed ?15:05
bskahantvon & tom hoffman discussed it at some point15:05
bskahanduring a monday meeting, so the conversation should be logged15:06
bskahanI don't know what the reason was15:06
bskahanI'm a fan of the "Show more" and "Show all" buttons15:06
bskahanI'm not sure what their performance implications are though15:09
bskahanignas, I can't find it in the logs, when tvon gets online I'll ask him (or call him in an hour)15:12
ignasok, i guess i'll try looking up in the logs when i'll have time :/15:40
tvonCheck the tracker. When I fixed some batching bug I made a comment that I thought we should remove 'show all' and tom agreed16:00
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povbot/svn/commits: * ignas committed revision 5054:17:28
povbot/svn/commits: Evolution script fixing databases broken by:17:29
povbot/svn/commits: (stale overlays)17:29
mgedminsrichter, good news and bad news!17:39
mgedminyour refactoring of CalendarOverlayInfo attributes into adapters & annotations discovered a missing functional test17:39
mgedminbecause it introduced a bug with security assertions17:39
mgedminI think17:39
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* mgedmin is suddenly not sure the missing ftest is good news17:40
th1aIf Philipp says he wants a "Show all" button, I won't argue with him.17:41
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ignasth1a, what about visual implications of that ?17:45
ignasif it was removed because of a purpose ?17:45
ignaswhat was the purpose ?17:45
ignasif there were wraping issues, maybe they should be fixed in some way ?17:46
th1aI think you are reading too much into this.17:46
th1aWhat are the wrapping issues?17:46
povbot/svn/commits: * mg committed revision 5055:17:47
povbot/svn/commits: Added another test checker -- one that tries to find tests which call placelessSetUp but not placelessTearDown.17:47
povbot/svn/commits: It has found 18 such broken tests.  I am going to fix them now.17:47
ignaswell - "show all" was removed in a checkin that stated "Keep the batch from wrapping." (tvon)17:47
ignasthat's why i am still confused about it ...17:48
ignaswho would remove a feature instead of fixing the layout/UI ?17:48
ignasand just thought that maybe there was some other reason behind it ...17:48
th1aI imagine I just thought that giving the user the option of calling up a list that could eventually stretch into the thousands was probably a bad idea.17:49
tvonI suggested it because I didn't think it was especially useful17:50
ignaswell - in case of ACL it is kind of usefull (i had to manually edit the URL to achieve the result ...)17:51
th1aWe made a guess at the right usability decision, and the consensus seems to be that it was the wrong guess.17:52
povbot/svn/commits: * mg committed revision 5056:17:58
povbot/svn/commits: Added missing placelessSetUp(), cleaned up snail food.17:58
povbot/svn/commits: * mg committed revision 5057:18:06
povbot/svn/commits: Added a bunch of missing test cleanups.18:06
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ignasth1a, maybe we should start a bug finding extravaganza ? like keeping score of bugs found, giving prizes :), because IMHO we are having some real problems with bugs in SchoolTool :/18:09
th1aignas:  What would you suggest?18:10
mgedminignas, "find 100 bugs, get a free pencil sharpener"18:11
th1aI'll ask Mark about ordering pencil sharpeners.18:11
povbot/svn/commits: * mg committed revision 5058:18:11
povbot/svn/commits: Cleaned up a test module somewhat:18:11
povbot/svn/commits: - Lines longer than 200 characters?  Never!18:11
povbot/svn/commits: - Duplicate imports?  Don't, please.18:11
povbot/svn/commits: - Consistent spacing between top-level functions is nice.18:11
povbot/svn/commits: - Consistent indentation of descriptions in a doctest is nice.18:11
mgedminno, I'd better make that "fix 100 bugs", or the issue tracker will be overloaded soon18:11
mgedminignas seems to have a knack on finding bugs18:11
mgedminwithout even trying hard18:11
th1aThis is a good thing.18:12
ignaswithout even trying18:12
th1aIt isn't surprising given the length of time we worked on this without having real users.18:12
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th1aAnd structuring our development around contracts makes bug fixing a little indirect.18:13
th1aPlus it has made a difference that I haven't been able to use SchoolTool at the school here (since the district killed our server).18:14
th1aHopefully that'll change shortly.18:14
ignasth1a, i am kind of used to projects in which users finding bus is *very vary bad* ...18:15
* ignas declares this day a typo day!18:16
th1aSo... on top of everything else, this'll drive you nuts.18:17
th1aIt would be a good time to move our bugs to Malone, since then bugs can be forwarded from the CanDo bug tracker to the SchoolTool bug tracker, when it is appropriate.  CanDo users will be the biggest block of SchoolTool users this year.18:18
mgedminI have doubts about the usability of Malone18:20
mgedminout of the box, Roundup also has many usability issues18:20
mgedminbut I know that I can at least try to fix them18:20
mgedmin(given some time)18:20
mgedminhey -- malone can track upstream bug trackers18:21
mgedmincan't it?18:21
mgedmincan it talk to roundup?18:21
th1aGood question.18:21
mgedminbskahan, do you know anything about doctest_SectionFileFactory ?18:21
th1aCan it send bugs to Roundup?18:21
mgedminth1a, I know very little about malone18:22
th1aOK... I'll look.18:22
tvonI don;t think so18:23
tvonwhen you tag a bug in Malone as upstream, you just point it to another Malone project18:23
tvonit assumes/requires that "upstream" has a malone account18:23
th1aNo, you can register outside bug trackers.18:23
tvonoh, no18:23
tvonyeah, it's major community trackers18:24
mgedmintvon, perhaps you know anything about doctest_SectionFileFactory ?18:24
tvonmgedmin: fraid not, bskahan did sections18:25
mgedminnever mind, I discovered how to fix it18:25
povbot/svn/commits: * mg committed revision 5059:18:27
povbot/svn/commits: Added missing setup and teardown to
th1aHm... adding our RoundUp tracker LOOKS simple enough.18:28
th1aAdding it to Malone, that is.18:29
th1aNow, let's see if it works...18:31
tvonah, cool18:32
mgedminlemme see!18:33
mgedminstange email18:33
mgedminI'm not, I'm marius@pov.lt18:33
mgedmin(actually, mgedmin would work, but I want to have one canonical work email)18:33
th1aYou could change your first name to mgedmin.  That would simplify things, although it would be a bit recursive.18:34
mgedminI don't even know how to pronounce "mgedmin"18:35
mgedmin(in English, that is)18:35
th1aLike "Mmmmm... cookies!"18:35
* th1a is disappointed that nobody here appreciates my obscure Buffy the Vampire Slayer references.18:38
* mgedmin loves BtVS18:38
* mgedmin missed the reference18:38
* mgedmin googles18:38
th1aDawn: This? I'm guessing on how you say it, it's got an apostrophe. I think it's 'Mmm-Fashnik', like 'Mmmm, cookies'. 
Xander: Or maybe 'Muh-Fashnik, like 'Muh-....Fashnik'.18:39
th1aAh...Malone can *watch* bugs on external trackers.18:42
th1aBut it can "Request Fixes," i.e., create issues, in other Malone trackers.18:44
mgedminso, when the upstream bug is closed, malone will close its own associated bug?18:44
th1aI think the CanDo guys would prefer the latter.18:45
th1amgedmin:  Good question.18:45
th1aMonitoring the external bug in Malone means that you can receive updates from Malone when the status of the external bug report changes.18:45
povbot/svn/commits: * mg committed revision 5060:18:48
povbot/svn/commits: More test cleanup fixes.  Also some whitespace fascism.18:48
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povbot/svn/commits: * mg committed revision 5061:18:54
povbot/svn/commits: Fixed the cleanup of the last test.18:54
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mgedminth1a, some clarifications18:56
mgedminthe optimization story is marked "ready for merge" in the new plone site18:56
mgedminthe optimization story actually consists of two parts:18:56
mgedmin1. fix outstanding issues -- done, merged to trunk, merged to release branch18:57
th1a"ready for merge" isn't quite right, semantically.18:57
mgedmin2. make ST run reasonably fast with the sample data set -- not started yet, blocking on the sample data story18:57
th1aGood point.18:57
mgedminI meant "ready for merging", but was trying to save time18:57
mgedminperhaps you want to split the story into two sub-stories?  can the plone stuff do that?18:58
mgedminanother point18:58
th1aI could split it.18:58
mgedminbugfixing story (the one that has a few numbered issues)18:58
mgedminthere were two options:18:58
mgedmin(a) fix on trunk18:58
mgedmin(b) fix on trunk + backport to release branch18:58
mgedminwith different estimates for (a) and (b)18:59
th1aWe need to do b).18:59
mgedminwhich one are we doing?18:59
mgedminok, I'll update the story card on our corkboard then18:59
mgedminwhat was the estimate for (b)?19:00
mgedmin(a) was 7 days iirc19:00
th1aAnyway, I meant "Ready for merging" should probably just be "completed" or "waiting for approval."19:00
mgedmin(b) was 9 days19:00
mgedminth1a, oh?19:01
mgedminready for merging is probably a useful intermediate state19:01
mgedminfor stories where we do stuff on trunk/some branch, and then have to backport/merge19:01
th1aYeah, 9 days for b).19:02
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* mgedmin discovered that ./ -fu breaks, while ./ -f && ./ -u work19:04
erchachei have my server online19:04
* mgedmin wonders if it'd be hard to fix19:04
erchachetomorrow goes to production mode19:04
erchachewhere are python script to make a permanent daemon of schoobell?19:04
th1aIt is in the .deb.19:05
erchacheth1a: me?19:05
mgedminth1a, the proposal we sent you assumed (a) for the bugfixing story -- so the total estimate and payment are probably wrong19:06
mgedminperhaps you can straighten it out with alga or Aiste19:06
mgedminwhile I get back to coding19:07
th1aOK.  Where is alga?19:07
erchachewhere are python script to make a permanent daemon of schoobell?19:07
erchacheor how i can make a /etc/init.d/ script for schoolbell daemon?19:08
erchachemanually? or are implemented a code?19:08
Aisteth1a: he is at home, his wife is ill19:08
th1aAiste:  Thanks.19:08
AisteI still haven't gotten around to sending any invoices or anything... as usual :)19:09
erchacheasi estamos?19:10
erchacheand why arent include on schoolbell 1.2.1 tar file?19:10
th1aDebian chauvinism, I guess.19:11
erchachenow im making online inscription of students on my university when i finish im going to make a install-for-dummies.txt19:11
erchacheand this init is a perl, bash, python script?19:12
erchachenobody in the house? O_o19:29
th1aerchache:  One would assume it is a bash script.19:34
erchacheO_o sure?19:35
jintyth1a: er, it only works on debian.19:41
erchacheor ubuntu no?19:41
jintyubuntu, yes19:42
erchachetomorrow i install on my system19:42
jintyusing packages or tarball?19:42
erchacheand after....securize19:42
erchacheschoolbell 1.2.119:42
jintywhich is exactly the same version as the schoolbell packages in breezy main right now...19:43
erchachehoary :-P19:44
erchachehoary are freez now no?19:44
erchachenext month breezy are the new one19:44
erchachei prefer to get tarball instead .deb19:45
erchacheyou work to fast than .deb upgrades ;-P19:45
jintybtw, you are going to have to hack the init script because the location of everything is different19:45
erchache.deb usually are 2 version downgrade than .tar19:46
erchachewell i can do it!19:46
erchacheput on to-do list to make init script on .tar19:46
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jintyth1a: noticed that we are graduated to ubuntu main?19:59
th1aI had not noticed.20:03
th1aAlthough I did notice that we're running by default in Edubuntu.20:03
jintyyeah, I also let ogra know that moodle can authenticate off us. It's somewhere on his todo list.20:05
jintybskahan: I need to allow jeff elkner to upload packages to the cando repository.20:07
jintybskahan: so could you either put me in the cando group, or change the group of /home/jinty/archives/cando/incoming to cando, or something more intelligent?20:09
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* mgedmin tried to use XPath in a testbrowser-style functional test20:20
* mgedmin got a Segmentation fault20:20
mgedminanalyze.queryHTML('//table[@class="overlays"]//a/@href', html)20:20
srichterI really want to start using it much more too20:22
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povbot/svn/commits: * ignas committed revision 5062:20:30
povbot/svn/commits: Added an XXX.20:30
povbot/svn/commits: * ignas committed revision 5063:20:31
povbot/svn/commits: A functional test for issue 369.20:31
jintyok, if no-one has any last minute bugfixes for the release branch, I start release x.x.2 in about an hour20:31
th1ajinty:  Do you need me to do anything with translations?20:32
jintyyeah, If you would commit them to the release branch, that would be nice20:33
th1aBoth release branches?20:33
jintydo you want a step-by-step?20:35
povbot/svn/commits: * mg committed revision 5064:20:35
povbot/svn/commits: Ignore log files.20:35
hoffman|edubuIf it isn't too pathetic of me.20:35
hoffman|edubuI am lazy by default.20:35
jinty1. get the url's of the tarballs from the amazing web interface of rosetta20:36
mgedminwasn't there a makefile rule that did that?20:38
jinty2. check out a release branch, cd into it and execute 'export TRANSATION=url of tarball'20:39
hoffman|edubuDownload everything?20:39
hoffman|edubuPO format?20:39
jintymgedmin: the rosetta WI cahnged, you request a download, then get a mail with the url. It's a little hard to automate20:40
hoffman|edubuAlmost as if they don't want you to automate it.20:40
jinty3. make get-rosetta-translations (twice)20:41
jintythe official reason is  that people directly downloading tarballs locked a thread for the longest time20:41
jinty4. make build update-translations20:43
jinty5. rm -f ${any non compiling translations}20:43
jinty6. back to 4 unless all translations compile20:44
jinty7. svn add any translations not in repository then svn ci20:44
hoffman|edubuHrm.  Apparently I don't usually make editable checkouts of release branches.  What's wrong with this:  svn co svn+ssh://
* mgedmin puts a bookmark in the irc window20:50
hoffman|edubuOK, got the branches and the po files now.20:53
hoffman|edubujinty:  So I'm NOT supposed to un-tgz the po files?20:54
jintyit doesn't matter, the makefile should take care of that. (It even downloads the tgz)20:55
hoffman|edubuOh, sorry, I just need the URL's.  I'm not being a good student here.20:56
* jinty has spent the past month or so building a calendaring website and still arrives a day early for irc meetings...20:59
povbot/svn/commits: * jinty committed revision 5065:21:00
povbot/svn/commits: Slight fix for make extract-translations rule. not fixing in trunk because thats a different ball of wax.21:00
povbot/svn/commits: * jinty committed revision 5066:21:02
povbot/svn/commits: Porting 5065 to schoolbell release branch.21:02
hoffman|edubusrc/schooltool/locales/cs/LC_MESSAGES/schooltool.po:2648: duplicate message definition21:03
hoffman|edubusrc/schooltool/locales/cs/LC_MESSAGES/schooltool.po:680: ...this is the location of the first definition21:03
hoffman|edubusrc/schooltool/locales/cs/LC_MESSAGES/schooltool.po:2654: duplicate message definition21:03
hoffman|edubusrc/schooltool/locales/cs/LC_MESSAGES/schooltool.po:2131: ...this is the location of the first definition21:03
hoffman|edubusrc/schooltool/locales/cs/LC_MESSAGES/schooltool.po:2666: duplicate message definition21:03
hoffman|edubusrc/schooltool/locales/cs/LC_MESSAGES/schooltool.po:2422: ...this is the location of the first definition21:03
hoffman|edubumsgmerge: found 3 fatal errors21:03
hoffman|edubumake: *** [update-translations] Error 121:03
hoffman|edubuSo I should manually delete some things to resolve these errors?21:05
jintyif you feel like it, or if you don't rm -rf src/schooltool/locales/cs21:06
hoffman|edubuOr oh, reading your instructions again.  Duh...21:06
hoffman|edubuWhat is CS?21:06
* jinty looks for the spelling of the word checzeslovakian21:07
hoffman|edubuWhat is the source of this kind of error?21:07
jintyrosetta not making sure it doesn't happen I guess21:09
jintybut i havn't investigated properly21:09
bskahanjinty, sure21:13
bskahanjinty, I added you to cando group, which gives you access to cando SVN as well21:14
jintyany objection to me automating nightly builds of the new trunk tarball on that machine?21:15
hoffman|edubuOK, I manually fixed the errors.21:20
hoffman|edubujinty:  Do I do 'svn status' to figure out step 7?21:21
jintythat sounds like a good way21:22
hoffman|edubujinty:  No objection.21:24
hoffman|edubuSo svn status gives me a bunch of modified .po files and .mo files with '?'21:24
hoffman|edubuDo I do anything with the .mo files?21:25
jintydefiniately not, and also not with the .po~ files.21:26
jintyonly only pure school{tool,bell}.po files21:27
hoffman|edubuSo then just svn ci (is that the same as commit?).21:27
jintyyep ci == commit21:28
hoffman|edubuUrgh... when I do 'svn ci' absolutely nothing happens.21:30
hoffman|edubuI'm just bounce back to the prompt.21:31
jintycould you paste the output of svn status somewhere?21:32
hoffman|edubuNow this is mysterious.21:32
hoffman|edubuOh, wtf.21:33
hoffman|edubuI did SchoolTool first, which was apparently a mistake.21:33
jinty`rm -f src/schooltool/locales/*; svn add -N src/schooltool/locales/* src/schooltool/locales/*/LC_MESSAGES src/schooltool/locales/*/LC_MESSAGES/*.po; svn status`21:38
* jinty goes to take a break21:41
povbot/svn/commits: * hoffman committed revision 5067:21:42
povbot/svn/commits: Updating Translations21:42
ignasth1a, do we want to fix all the places where timetable schema is mentioned21:45
ignasso they would refer to school timetable instea d?21:45
hoffman|edubuThat would be nice.21:45
hoffman|edubuYes, please do it.21:46
ignasbecause well geting an error message stating that you need a "timetable schema" might confuse an ordianry user ...21:46
ignasi guess i'll file a new issue for that now, and fix it when there is time (i am fixing other issues at the moment)21:46
povbot/svn/commits: * hoffman committed revision 5068:22:07
povbot/svn/commits: Updating translations.22:07
hoffman|edubuOK, I think I'm done.22:07
hoffman|edubuGoing to get lunch.22:12
ignasbskahan, ping22:25
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povbot/svn/commits: * jinty committed revision 5069:22:43
povbot/svn/commits: Removing schoolbell.pot from repository.22:43
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povbot/svn/commits: Make fake new upstream version of the debian packages so that I can use gintas wonderful release script23:08
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povbot/svn/commits: Move the release to the Zope-3.1 branch and to a recent revision.23:11
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povbot/svn/commits: Updated SchoolBell RELEASE.txt23:46
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povbot/svn/commits: Updated SchoolBell RELEASE.txt23:52
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povbot/svn/commits: Tagging SchoolBell 1.2.223:53
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povbot/svn/commits: Tagging SchoolTool 0.11.223:53
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povbot/svn/commits: Set SchoolBell version number in release23:54
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povbot/svn/commits: Set SchoolTool version number in release23:55
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povbot/svn/commits: Bound SchoolTool 0.11.2 to SchoolBell 1.2.223:56

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