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| th1a | tvon: Do you guys want to help maintain schooltool.org once we get it off POV's server? | 06:21 |
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| th1a | You've got much more Plone experience than they do anyhow. | 06:22 |
| th1a | You'd be paid to do it, of course. | 06:22 |
| tvon | th1a: sure | 06:23 |
| th1a | That'll make mgedmin happy. | 06:24 |
| tvon | heh | 06:24 |
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| bskahan | anyone know when ftests broke? | 17:09 |
| bskahan | tvon: remember the little glitch in cal_daily style that causes the right side (forward) arrow to kirk out when the font size changes? | 17:37 |
| bskahan | I'm pretty sure its a mozilla bug, the behavior doesn't seem sane | 17:37 |
| bskahan | to test, C-+, C-+, C-+, C-0 | 17:38 |
| bskahan | and C--, C--, C--, C-0 | 17:38 |
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| tvon | Ping | 19:10 |
| bskahan | morning everyone | 19:11 |
| bskahan | or some of everyone ;) | 19:11 |
| th1a | Ahg. | 19:27 |
| th1a | Just woke up. | 19:27 |
| tvon | hehe | 19:27 |
| th1a | Where is everyone? | 19:28 |
| * tvon shrugs | 19:28 | |
| tvon | maybe everyone is sleeping in | 19:29 |
| bskahan | no one from LT has been around today | 19:29 |
| jinty | easter monday? | 19:29 |
| bskahan | jinty: good call | 19:30 |
| tvon | ahhhh | 19:30 |
| * bskahan goes back to bed | 19:30 | |
| tvon | hehe | 19:30 |
| bskahan | ;) | 19:30 |
| tvon | I'm so charging double for this | 19:30 |
| tvon | being deeply religious as I am | 19:30 |
| bskahan | heh | 19:30 |
| jinty | :) | 19:30 |
| tvon | Well, is there anything we want to cover anyways? or does everyone wanna skip it? | 19:31 |
| th1a | I feel like shit. | 19:31 |
| tvon | the stories looked good from here, we'll work on some time estimates | 19:31 |
| tvon | that sounds like a skip += 1 | 19:31 |
| tvon | Well, I'll be around should anyone need anything. All-day events should be going in later today/tonight if anyone is curious. | 19:32 |
| bskahan | I have some questions about the stories, but they're all directed at persons not present | 19:32 |
| th1a | I'm going to have to have a shower and some tea before I can think straight. | 19:34 |
| th1a | I didn't get out of BWI until 1:00 AM on Saturday, and I haven't been right since. | 19:35 |
| bskahan | th1a: what happened? | 19:36 |
| tvon | damn | 19:36 |
| th1a | Bad weather in the south screwed up the whole system. | 19:36 |
| tvon | suck | 19:36 |
| bskahan | suck | 19:36 |
| th1a | It isn't so bad if you have two laptop batteries and a couple movies with you. | 19:37 |
| th1a | bbiab. | 19:37 |
| th1a | Sorry about the confusion. | 19:38 |
| tvon | np | 19:38 |
| th1a | bskahan: I don't understand your question in the email. Where do I call "terms" classes arranged by periods? | 19:45 |
| bskahan | th1a: in the workflow diagram | 19:45 |
| th1a | I do? | 19:46 |
| th1a | I'm looking at it, and I'm not sure what you mean. | 19:47 |
| bskahan | "Time Periods are now called Terms" | 19:47 |
| bskahan | box to the right of "Start" | 19:48 |
| th1a | In ST 0.x, a time period is like a semester. | 19:49 |
| bskahan | ah, ok | 19:49 |
| bskahan | I thought you meant Period A, B, C, D | 19:49 |
| th1a | Perhaps I can force myself to work on the glossary this week. | 19:49 |
| bskahan | heh | 19:50 |
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| bskahan | http://dsonline.computer.org/portal/site/dsonline/menuitem.9ed3d9924aeb0dcd82ccc6716bbe36ec/index.jsp?&pName=dso_level1&path=dsonline/0504&file=w2sta.xml | 20:20 |
| bskahan | caldav article, via mitch kapor's blog | 20:20 |
| th1a | Yeah, I saw that. | 20:21 |
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| th1a | tvon & bskahan: You still around? | 20:57 |
| tvon | yip | 20:57 |
| tvon | er, yup | 20:57 |
| th1a | A couple things I wanted to bring up. | 20:57 |
| th1a | In SC, courses aren't going to know what term they're connected to. | 20:57 |
| bskahan | right | 20:58 |
| bskahan | but sections should | 20:58 |
| th1a | Whoops. I meant sections. | 20:58 |
| bskahan | they aren't going to know about term? | 20:58 |
| th1a | In SchoolTool proper, they'll need to essentially activate and inactivate themselves automatically. | 20:59 |
| bskahan | i was thinking a relationship between term <-> section | 20:59 |
| bskahan | so you could see all the sections for each term | 20:59 |
| bskahan | or is not having that part of the "not archival" aspect of STC | 20:59 |
| th1a | That's the way it will be in SchoolTool, but I don't think we need the complexity in SchoolBell Calendar. | 20:59 |
| th1a | Yeah, that's what I was thinking last night. | 21:00 |
| th1a | Make is simpler and more manual first time through. | 21:00 |
| bskahan | the term knows its start/end dates though, correct? | 21:00 |
| th1a | Right, because you need it to make the timetable calendar correctly, and a few other things. | 21:00 |
| th1a | Also, Courses can be super simple. Just a title and a description. | 21:01 |
| bskahan | I'm not sure that associating section with term is difficult enough to warrant having to set each sections start/end | 21:01 |
| bskahan | wich would get tedious on course 30 | 21:01 |
| th1a | I'm thinking they'll either be deleted or just get updated rosters. | 21:01 |
| th1a | We should just make it easy to do either. | 21:02 |
| th1a | But also, we aren't really expecting people to use SchoolBell Calendar for more than a year. | 21:02 |
| bskahan | yeah | 21:02 |
| th1a | We want to move them to SchoolTool next year. | 21:02 |
| th1a | So we can be a little cheezy. | 21:03 |
| bskahan | go to "Courses", choose "Chouse", Add "Section", in the section form "Pick the dropdown with a list of available Terms" | 21:03 |
| bskahan | that sets the recurrence rule for the class, rather than having to do it manually | 21:04 |
| bskahan | s/Chouse/Course/ | 21:04 |
| th1a | I'm thinking that there's only one active term, so you don't have to pick it. | 21:04 |
| th1a | When you set up the terms, you select one as active. | 21:05 |
| bskahan | ok, can we do "Use active Term or specify recurrence" | 21:05 |
| th1a | In this case, I'm just trying to find the simplest thing, so if it doesn't actually seem simpler, let me know. | 21:05 |
| th1a | Error on the side of making it direct and simple up front. | 21:06 |
| bskahan | from a user perspective, I think adding the same recurrence pattern for 50 classes would suck | 21:06 |
| th1a | Yeah, that's out of the question. | 21:06 |
| th1a | I think it should be like, go to sections index, hit add section | 21:06 |
| th1a | select the relevant course from a list | 21:07 |
| th1a | add a teacher and add students | 21:07 |
| th1a | It will assume the current active term, | 21:08 |
| th1a | and when the admin switches to a new active term, it will show up on that term's timetable as well. | 21:08 |
| bskahan | ok | 21:08 |
| th1a | But if that doesn't fit with the internal timetable implementation, we should do whatever is easiest. | 21:08 |
| th1a | I'd prefer if we didn't require the admin to set up the whole year right at the beginning. | 21:09 |
| bskahan | that makes sense | 21:09 |
| th1a | Then they have to think about which courses change quarterly or by semester. | 21:10 |
| th1a | Set that all up at the beginning. | 21:10 |
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| th1a | They'll need to do that eventually in SchoolTool, but I don't think we need it here. | 21:10 |
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| th1a | I'm also thinking that in SchoolTool, we're going to have to do something to create some kind of representation of each period in the term. | 21:11 |
| th1a | If I'm making an assignment, I have to be able to say "this is due period c, day 123 of the school year. | 21:11 |
| th1a | And if that period is moved for some reason, the due date on my calendar should move, too. | 21:12 |
| th1a | It seems to me that we can either do that by making the timetables much, much more complex, | 21:13 |
| th1a | or by allowing events to be tied to individual periods. | 21:14 |
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| bskahan | definitely need a view of events relative to Term start/end | 21:15 |
| th1a | Not sure what you mean. | 21:16 |
| bskahan | similar to "this is due period c, day 123 of the school year" | 21:26 |
| bskahan | or, a variation of | 21:26 |
| th1a | "a view?" | 21:26 |
| bskahan | yes | 21:27 |
| bskahan | ah, you meant input | 21:27 |
| bskahan | that's trickier | 21:27 |
| th1a | I'm not sure we're talking about the same thing. | 21:27 |
| bskahan | would you care about the "day of year" vs. "day of Term" | 21:27 |
| bskahan | th1a If I'm making an assignment, I have to be able to say "this is due period c, day 123 of the school year | 21:27 |
| bskahan | that's cut-n-paste | 21:28 |
| th1a | Actually, the time is more likely to be changed than the day. | 21:28 |
| th1a | bskahan: yeah, that's what I mean. | 21:28 |
| th1a | Although, if there is a snow day on day 122 or 123, the correct behaviour is hard to determine. | 21:29 |
| bskahan | heh | 21:29 |
| bskahan | true | 21:29 |
| bskahan | probably "the next occurance of the section" | 21:29 |
| th1a | What I'm thinking is, what if there's a 2 hour snow delay on day 123. | 21:29 |
| th1a | Period C will be moved. | 21:29 |
| bskahan | heh | 21:30 |
| bskahan | sometimes | 21:30 |
| th1a | Yeah. | 21:30 |
| bskahan | some schools cancel the first classes | 21:30 |
| th1a | That has to be a manual operation. | 21:30 |
| bskahan | some condense | 21:30 |
| th1a | But it would be nice if the due date moved on the calendar. | 21:30 |
| th1a | Actually, it isn't so important that we'd need it for SC. | 21:30 |
| * bskahan nods | 21:30 | |
| th1a | And maybe not at all. | 21:31 |
| th1a | Something to think about. | 21:31 |
| th1a | The thing is, if you've got a day of the week and time based schedule, like in Europe, you don't consider these issues. | 21:31 |
| * bskahan wonders how many man hours are wasted by obscure schedule | 21:32 | |
| bskahan | s | 21:32 |
| th1a | American schedules are better. | 21:32 |
| th1a | There's no question in my mind about that. | 21:32 |
| th1a | Except perhaps for programmers. | 21:32 |
| bskahan | hah | 21:33 |
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| th1a | If we are making the calendar the central view of the application, if we seem to be gravitating towards, we probably need to keep it accurate. | 21:35 |
| bskahan | I'm not into the idea of the calendar being the default view | 21:35 |
| bskahan | it just happens to be what we have | 21:35 |
| th1a | It is an open question. | 21:36 |
| bskahan | I think it will be for STC | 21:36 |
| bskahan | but not for ST | 21:36 |
| th1a | Perhaps a daily calendar about half the size of the current one. | 21:36 |
| th1a | A smaller calendar summary of today and tomorrow. | 21:36 |
| bskahan | that would be good | 21:37 |
| bskahan | I was thinking a more task based view | 21:37 |
| bskahan | "Todays Assignments", "Todays Events (excluding recurring)" | 21:38 |
| th1a | We'll probably end up using tvon's compressed event view. | 21:38 |
| tvon | I'd like to see some nice page of aggregated information I think | 21:38 |
| bskahan | have to ask some teachers | 21:38 |
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| tvon | well, I'd like to see that for the person view.. | 21:38 |
| tvon | regardless of what is the front page | 21:38 |
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| * tvon wants to get the compressed thing into the week view for 1.1 if possible | 21:40 | |
| th1a | tvon: that would be nice. | 21:40 |
| tvon | along with js tooltips for other things... need to get em working in IE first though | 21:40 |
| th1a | I need to go out into the rain and run some errands, since I've been out of town for two weeks. | 21:40 |
| th1a | ttyl. | 21:40 |
| bskahan | ttyl | 21:40 |
| tvon | aight, ttyl | 21:40 |
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| bskahan | not in the stories, but alloting time to making sure i18n works with sb 1.1 and STC ?.? | 22:21 |
| th1a | Yes. That needs to be in there. | 22:36 |
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