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| th1a | hi replaceafill. | 16:45 |
| th1a | I just looked at the report. | 16:45 |
| replaceafill | hey th1a | 16:45 |
| th1a | Now we just need to turn that into graphics, right? | 16:45 |
| replaceafill | you know one thing i noticed yesterday | 16:46 |
| replaceafill | in the ssa.demo.xlsx file | 16:46 |
| replaceafill | the BasicSkills sheet | 16:46 |
| replaceafill | seems like they can score an activity multiple times | 16:46 |
| replaceafill | or maybe i misunderstood the sheet | 16:47 |
| replaceafill | but for some skills like "Joint Attention Skills" 7. | 16:47 |
| replaceafill | they score 1, 1, 1 | 16:47 |
| replaceafill | for the first 3 scores | 16:47 |
| replaceafill | in some of them they set 1, 2 | 16:48 |
| replaceafill | or 1, 1, 2 | 16:48 |
| replaceafill | just made me wonder :) | 16:48 |
| th1a | Uh... | 16:48 |
| th1a | yes, you can always score skills multiple times. | 16:48 |
| th1a | Right? | 16:49 |
| th1a | That's why we have history. | 16:49 |
| replaceafill | right | 16:49 |
| replaceafill | ok, graphics now? | 16:49 |
| replaceafill | like the aggregate.demo.png? | 16:50 |
| replaceafill | or indiv_student_competency_report.gif? | 16:50 |
| th1a | Individual. | 16:52 |
| replaceafill | i don't understand the red/blue in indiv_student_competency_report.gif | 16:52 |
| replaceafill | i understand each "block" is a skill | 16:53 |
| replaceafill | divided in 4 parts (each type of score) | 16:53 |
| replaceafill | ah | 16:54 |
| replaceafill | never mind | 16:54 |
| replaceafill | it's in the other image (the meaning of the colors) | 16:54 |
| replaceafill | 1st assessment, 2nd... | 16:54 |
| replaceafill | maybe that's the history part :) | 16:54 |
| th1a | Yes. | 16:54 |
| th1a | I was thinking we could color code by date of assessment. | 16:55 |
| th1a | That's in the history, right? | 16:55 |
| replaceafill | i think so, evaluations have dates | 16:55 |
| replaceafill | let me check | 16:55 |
| replaceafill | yes, scores have time, and evaluations are scores | 16:56 |
| replaceafill | are you going to do the d3 stuff? | 16:57 |
| replaceafill | how do we do it? | 16:57 |
| replaceafill | colored divs? | 16:57 |
| th1a | I think D3 is overkill. | 16:57 |
| th1a | For this. | 16:57 |
| replaceafill | kk | 16:58 |
| th1a | Don't you essentially just need a loop and some colored divs? | 16:58 |
| replaceafill | yes | 16:58 |
| replaceafill | but we don't have history yet in cando | 16:58 |
| replaceafill | so we'll have only one div colored | 16:58 |
| th1a | Ah, ok. | 16:58 |
| replaceafill | only the first assessment | 16:58 |
| th1a | Oh, yvl should be working on that now. | 16:58 |
| th1a | *Should* be. | 16:58 |
| replaceafill | ok, i'll start on that after breakfast :) | 16:58 |
| th1a | Thanks replaceafill. | 16:59 |
| th1a | Also, check these out: http://lesscss.org/ and http://sass-lang.com/ | 17:00 |
| replaceafill | logic for css! | 17:01 |
| yvl | replaceafill, we don't have history in cando? | 17:02 |
| yvl | where did it go? | 17:03 |
| replaceafill | yvl, sorry, i didnt check :( | 17:03 |
| yvl | and as of today, we also have history in journal on my machine :))) | 17:03 |
| yvl | and we have two journals - one for attendance and one for grading | 17:04 |
| th1a | Yes. | 17:04 |
| replaceafill | yvl, cando uses the same gradebook history functionality? | 17:04 |
| yvl | yes | 17:04 |
| replaceafill | duh | 17:04 |
| th1a | Ah. | 17:04 |
| replaceafill | my bad :D | 17:04 |
| th1a | OK, good work yvl. ;-) | 17:04 |
| yvl | :D | 17:04 |
| replaceafill | yvl, btw could you check one of my commits? | 17:05 |
| yvl | well, it should have extra functionality for equivalency | 17:05 |
| yvl | I'll do that at some point | 17:05 |
| replaceafill | http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~schooltool-owners/schooltool.gradebook/flourish/revision/480 | 17:05 |
| replaceafill | yvl, ^ | 17:05 |
| yvl | when we have equivalency in projects, for example ;) | 17:05 |
| replaceafill | yvl, if i understood the history change correctly, we cannot delete evaluations anymore, correct? | 17:06 |
| replaceafill | they just get unscored | 17:06 |
| yvl | no | 17:07 |
| yvl | we can delete evaluations | 17:07 |
| yvl | but I think gradebook unscores them so that we could se who deleted them | 17:07 |
| yvl | and when | 17:07 |
| yvl | IIRC :) | 17:08 |
| replaceafill | http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~schooltool-owners/schooltool.gradebook/flourish/view/head:/src/schooltool/gradebook/gradebook.py#L263 | 17:08 |
| replaceafill | def removeEvaluation | 17:08 |
| yvl | yes, that's what I said | 17:08 |
| yvl | gradebook unscores them | 17:09 |
| replaceafill | but they are not deleted, right? | 17:09 |
| replaceafill | like they used to be | 17:09 |
| yvl | but see http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~schooltool-owners/schooltool.gradebook/flourish/view/head:/src/schooltool/requirement/evaluation.py#L85 | 17:09 |
| replaceafill | ok, let me rephrase that | 17:09 |
| replaceafill | removeEvaluation doesn't delete them anymore? | 17:10 |
| yvl | true | 17:10 |
| replaceafill | ah ok | 17:10 |
| replaceafill | so my change to the unit test is ok? | 17:10 |
| replaceafill | because the test uses removeEvaluation above that diff | 17:10 |
| replaceafill | and now the removed evaluation appears in the diff | 17:10 |
| replaceafill | as unscored | 17:10 |
| replaceafill | that's the part i was not sure about | 17:11 |
| yvl | sorry man, I can't tell from a glance | 17:11 |
| replaceafill | np | 17:11 |
| replaceafill | i think i got it right | 17:12 |
| replaceafill | although it seems that some methods in the gradebook are only used in unittests :) | 17:12 |
| yvl | it's very likely ;) | 17:12 |
| yvl | that is even more very likely ;) | 17:13 |
| replaceafill | :D | 17:13 |
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| replaceafill | yvl, you gone? | 18:08 |
| replaceafill | th1a, zyt? | 18:44 |
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| th1a | replaceafill: I'm here. | 20:26 |
| replaceafill | hey th1a | 20:26 |
| replaceafill | i have a few questions | 20:26 |
| replaceafill | http://69.164.203.135/autism_center/schoolyears/2011-2012/2012-spring/sections/math_a_2012-spring_teacher001_000/skills/5/gradebook/student350/skills_report.html | 20:26 |
| replaceafill | teacher001 | 20:26 |
| replaceafill | i have the history now | 20:27 |
| replaceafill | but i dont understand something in the graph | 20:27 |
| replaceafill | could you open indiv_student_competency_report.gif | 20:27 |
| replaceafill | it seems to me that it's possible to mark 3 different scores for a skill in a single assessment | 20:29 |
| replaceafill | the four columns in the chart are: | 20:30 |
| replaceafill | 1:1, S, N, G | 20:30 |
| replaceafill | see the first column in the file | 20:30 |
| th1a | Sorry, I was spacing out. | 20:30 |
| replaceafill | np | 20:30 |
| replaceafill | see the Joint Attention column in the gif | 20:30 |
| th1a | Just a minute... | 20:31 |
| replaceafill | kk | 20:31 |
| th1a | Yes, I'm looking at it. | 20:36 |
| replaceafill | my point is, we cannot create several evaluations for a skill at the same time | 20:38 |
| replaceafill | and as David said, we cannot assume that if the person has a G score, he also has 1:1, S, and N scores | 20:38 |
| replaceafill | look the third-to-last skill in the right column | 20:39 |
| replaceafill | 1:1 is blank | 20:39 |
| th1a | Should I be looking at the spreadsheet? | 20:39 |
| replaceafill | indiv_student_competency_report.gif | 20:39 |
| th1a | There are the different social settings. | 20:40 |
| th1a | Correct? | 20:40 |
| replaceafill | social settings = scores, right? | 20:40 |
| th1a | Well... | 20:40 |
| th1a | Let's look at the spreadsheet. | 20:40 |
| replaceafill | ok | 20:41 |
| replaceafill | autism_social_skills_comp_assessment_demo_dec2011.xlsx? | 20:41 |
| th1a | Yes. | 20:42 |
| replaceafill | kk | 20:42 |
| th1a | OK, so I didn't quite understand this. | 20:42 |
| replaceafill | in the Intro worksheet | 20:43 |
| th1a | I would say that each skill may need to be modeled as a skillset, and the individual settings as skills. | 20:43 |
| th1a | If that makes any sense. ;-) | 20:43 |
| replaceafill | hhmm | 20:43 |
| replaceafill | i see what you mean... | 20:44 |
| replaceafill | but we'd end up with lots of worksheets in the gradebook | 20:44 |
| th1a | As opposed to what? | 20:44 |
| replaceafill | a worksheet per skill group | 20:45 |
| replaceafill | right now we have a Joint Attention Skills worksheet | 20:45 |
| replaceafill | with 7 skills | 20:45 |
| replaceafill | that would become 7 worksheets | 20:45 |
| replaceafill | with 4 skills each | 20:45 |
| replaceafill | right? | 20:45 |
| th1a | It is either that or we do it sot hat it is one worksheet with 28 skills. | 20:46 |
| th1a | Or four worksheets with seven skills each. | 20:47 |
| replaceafill | one worksheet per score | 20:47 |
| * replaceafill scratches his head... | 20:48 | |
| th1a | The skillsets could be the contexts. | 20:49 |
| replaceafill | contexts? as in zope contexts? :) | 20:50 |
| th1a | Settings. | 20:52 |
| replaceafill | ah, yes | 20:52 |
| replaceafill | that would mean, one worksheet per setting | 20:52 |
| th1a | Essentially, we'll be asking them this on Thursday, so you can kind of do whatever. | 20:52 |
| replaceafill | :D | 20:52 |
| replaceafill | to me, they'd need a custom view for the assesment | 20:54 |
| replaceafill | we could use our stuff on the background | 20:54 |
| replaceafill | history, skillsets, scoresystem, etc | 20:54 |
| replaceafill | ok, i'll try the one skillset per skill approach | 20:56 |
| replaceafill | i wonder if we could use sections as worksheets :) | 20:57 |
| th1a | If we were going to change it we'd be going to one sheet per student. | 20:57 |
| th1a | Correct? | 20:57 |
| th1a | One form per student. | 20:57 |
| replaceafill | yes | 20:57 |
| th1a | It would be a custom form but not a grid. | 20:58 |
| replaceafill | correct | 20:58 |
| th1a | We may end up doing that. | 20:58 |
| replaceafill | should i try that? | 20:58 |
| th1a | I don't think so today. | 20:58 |
| replaceafill | ok | 20:58 |
| replaceafill | it's a nice use case though :) | 20:59 |
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