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| th1a | hi aks. | 06:17 |
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| aks | th1a: hello | 06:18 |
| th1a | So right now you have pilots going at two schools? Do you have any definite expansion plans for SchoolTool use? | 06:18 |
| aks | th1a: we'll be monitoring the usage for a couple of months, and depending upon the results/analysis, we'll be expanding it | 06:19 |
| th1a | OK. Just checking. I'm writing an update for Mark. | 06:19 |
| aks | th1a: What i've analysed till now (with the pilot schools) that they are having problems with the UI | 06:19 |
| th1a | Ah. Well, we'll have to see if the new UI helps. | 06:20 |
| aks | th1a: I'm guiding them though, but I'm also waiting for the release of flourish branch, which I hope will be released in October | 06:20 |
| th1a | It will be. | 06:20 |
| aks | th1a: :) | 06:20 |
| aks | th1a: Also that OLPC News has requested me to prepare an article for them on SchoolTool, so I'll be pushing on at OLPC News as well | 06:21 |
| th1a | Oh excellent. | 06:22 |
| th1a | Push the flourish. ;-) | 06:22 |
| th1a | Do you know when that will run, roughly? | 06:22 |
| aks | th1a: then I require info and screenshots abt the flourish branch | 06:22 |
| aks | th1a: hmm.... that depends upon when I prepare the writeup, I | 06:22 |
| aks | th1a: I'm planning to write that this Sunday | 06:23 |
| th1a | It would be best if it was timed with the new release. We're preparing a new logo, new website (hopefully) etc. | 06:23 |
| th1a | So that would be the time to do it, if possible. | 06:24 |
| aks | th1a: ok | 06:25 |
| aks | th1a: so when is all this going to happen? | 06:25 |
| th1a | October 13, so... not that far. | 06:25 |
| aks | th1a: ok, I'll delay till then | 06:26 |
| th1a | Thanks. Let me know what you need. | 06:26 |
| aks | th1a: sure | 06:27 |
| th1a | I sent you a copy of the new logo design. | 06:30 |
| aks | th1a: thanks | 06:30 |
| aks | th1a: Is that the final logo that you've decided upon? | 06:30 |
| th1a | We've approved the basic design. | 06:31 |
| th1a | Does that mean you don't like it? ;-) | 06:31 |
| aks | th1a: sort of. I would suggest that you rethink it (but again, I don't know what meaning the designer wanted to convey) | 06:31 |
| th1a | Well, his intention is not as important as what you think of it. | 06:32 |
| th1a | What does it convey to you? | 06:32 |
| th1a | Color may help... | 06:35 |
| th1a | Also, it is kind of similar to OLE Nepal's. | 06:36 |
| th1a | But with a more technical edge. | 06:37 |
| th1a | aks is trying to think of something diplomatic to say... | 06:38 |
| th1a | :-D | 06:38 |
| aks | th1a: :D | 06:39 |
| aks | th1a: I think I'll suggest a design ;) | 06:40 |
| th1a | A variation? | 06:40 |
| aks | th1a: might be | 06:41 |
| th1a | Is this too cold for you? | 06:41 |
| th1a | Color will make a difference. | 06:41 |
| aks | th1a: yeah, lets see the color version | 06:41 |
| aks | th1a: btw, I really loved the little zebra :) | 06:42 |
| th1a | Ah! | 06:43 |
| th1a | Well, yeah. | 06:43 |
| aks | th1a: zonkie is so sweet :) | 06:43 |
| th1a | We can still keep him around but he wasn't such a good logo. | 06:44 |
| th1a | He has to be big. | 06:44 |
| aks | th1a: hehehe yeah | 06:44 |
| th1a | Also, our biggest deployments are integrated into other products, so Zonki is kind of jarring in that context. | 06:47 |
| aks | th1a: oh ok | 06:48 |
| th1a | This new logo is consistent with Ubuntu branding as well. | 06:50 |
| th1a | Which isn't a concern to you. | 06:50 |
| aks | th1a: ;) | 06:51 |
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| th1a | replaceafill: What's you sense of the cambodia plan at this point? | 17:34 |
| replaceafill | i kind of feel that the multi-school reports were very important to them | 17:35 |
| replaceafill | that's where the conversation seemed to stop | 17:36 |
| replaceafill | last two weeks i've been thinking about flourishing cambodia | 17:37 |
| replaceafill | your conversation with aks last night got my attention | 17:38 |
| replaceafill | about the UI | 17:38 |
| replaceafill | i've never had feedback about it from cambodia, but i wonder if they'd like to see our new UI | 17:38 |
| th1a | I wouldn't worry about it at this point. | 17:39 |
| th1a | I'm just wondering if we'll have a pilot. | 17:39 |
| replaceafill | me 2 | 17:40 |
| th1a | The multi-school report thing isn't a big deal at all. | 17:40 |
| th1a | In fact they should greatly prefer just having a database that uses standard reporting tools for that step. | 17:41 |
| replaceafill | that's what Javier suggested in his last email | 17:41 |
| th1a | He seems to get it. | 17:42 |
| replaceafill | maybe i could create a simple export view, just to get the conversation going again? | 17:43 |
| th1a | No. | 17:43 |
| th1a | You have other things to do. | 17:43 |
| replaceafill | yes | 17:43 |
| replaceafill | i'll wait for them then | 17:44 |
| th1a | If they're going to flake out at this point, there's not much we can do about it. | 17:44 |
| replaceafill | i hope they wont | 17:44 |
| th1a | Really! | 17:44 |
| replaceafill | th1a where should i put the link to the About page in flourish? | 18:02 |
| th1a | Ah... | 18:02 |
| th1a | In the footer. | 18:02 |
| th1a | SchoolTool 1.7 | 18:02 |
| th1a | Should be the link. | 18:02 |
| replaceafill | ah ok | 18:03 |
| th1a | replaceafill: Mark asked for an update on deployments, that's why I'm asking about Cambodia. | 18:13 |
| replaceafill | i'd say we have done what they've asked us to do | 18:13 |
| th1a | That's not what he'd be worried about. ;-) | 18:13 |
| replaceafill | but we havent had much feedback | 18:13 |
| replaceafill | to be honest, i'm also worried about their silence :( | 18:14 |
| th1a | Jennifer met someone who had done development work in Cambodia. | 18:14 |
| th1a | He said everything happens incredibly slowly there. | 18:15 |
| replaceafill | :O | 18:15 |
| th1a | Not really surprising. | 18:15 |
| th1a | Actually the OLE Nepal case is a good one because it is going about as fast as it possibly could, but after a year we still just have a two school pilot. | 18:16 |
| th1a | So it is just a slow process. | 18:16 |
| th1a | Schools move slowly. | 18:16 |
| th1a | Actually that reminds me... is anyone using SchoolTool in El Salvador this year? | 18:17 |
| replaceafill | no :( | 18:17 |
| replaceafill | their let go their IT guy (our contact) | 18:17 |
| replaceafill | *they | 18:17 |
| replaceafill | that also ruined our OLPC pilot there | 18:18 |
| th1a | Do we have any current Latin American schools I'm forgetting about (other than CL schools)? | 18:18 |
| * th1a needs to start tracking this stuff now. | 18:19 | |
| replaceafill | well, i've been receiving questions from people trying to install it for their schools | 18:19 |
| replaceafill | for example this one came recently: https://answers.launchpad.net/schooltool/+question/170262 | 18:19 |
| replaceafill | and that's a question pattern :D | 18:19 |
| replaceafill | people always ask me how to make their *laptop* publicly available for the school :/ | 18:20 |
| th1a | Wait... is there some reason I didn't see that? | 18:20 |
| th1a | Because it is Spanish? | 18:20 |
| replaceafill | th1a yes | 18:20 |
| th1a | ! | 18:20 |
| th1a | :\ | 18:20 |
| th1a | :\ | 18:20 |
| replaceafill | you only get questions on the languages you defined | 18:20 |
| th1a | :| | 18:20 |
| replaceafill | :D | 18:20 |
| th1a | Well, that's good news I guess. | 18:21 |
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| replaceafill | th1a http://69.164.203.135:6660/about.html | 18:42 |
| replaceafill | i changed "IRC channel: #schooltool on freenode.net" for a link to webchat.freenode.net | 18:43 |
| replaceafill | so people can join the channel through their browser ;) | 18:44 |
| th1a | Ah... | 18:53 |
| replaceafill | i was thinking of putting the contributors on a right sidebar | 18:54 |
| th1a | y | 18:54 |
| replaceafill | kk | 18:54 |
| replaceafill | th1a refresh | 18:59 |
| th1a | Good. | 18:59 |
| replaceafill | ok, pushing to trunk | 19:00 |
| th1a | replaceafill: http://www.intellearningseries.com/ | 19:54 |
| th1a | Hover over South America... | 19:54 |
| replaceafill | 3,670,000 :| | 19:55 |
| th1a | That's your department, Mr. Vice President for Latin American Affairs. | 19:56 |
| replaceafill | :D | 19:56 |
| replaceafill | i've always thought that we need documentation in spanish | 19:57 |
| replaceafill | i was amazed that one single blog post brought a lot of spanish questions | 19:57 |
| th1a | Which post? | 19:59 |
| replaceafill | one saying that schooltool would be in ubuntu 11.04 universe | 20:00 |
| replaceafill | http://novatillasku.com/2011/03/13/schooltool-estara-en-los-archivos-de-ubuntu-11-04/ | 20:00 |
| th1a | A. RIght. | 20:00 |
| replaceafill | i provided my email in one of the comments, and i suddenly had like 3 questions | 20:00 |
| replaceafill | it almost made me start my own schooltool blog ;) | 20:00 |
| replaceafill | but i suck at writing... | 20:01 |
| th1a | So at this point what do we have in Spanish, just the homepage? | 20:01 |
| replaceafill | th1a yes | 20:01 |
| th1a | I may have to make you translate the book then. | 20:01 |
| replaceafill | jelkner and i tried to hired someone here to do it, but we realized we need someone who knows the app to do it | 20:02 |
| replaceafill | literal translations dont work | 20:02 |
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| th1a | Well, it is probably up to you replaceafill. | 20:03 |
| th1a | Maybe we should just re-write the docs together. | 20:04 |
| replaceafill | are you aiming to release the updated book by oct 13 too? | 20:04 |
| replaceafill | or later? | 20:04 |
| th1a | Yes. I need to start next week. | 20:05 |
| th1a | (the former) | 20:05 |
| * replaceafill wonders if we could make the book strings translatable through LP... | 20:09 | |
| replaceafill | maybe not a good idea | 20:09 |
| th1a | I don't think so. | 20:12 |
| th1a | OK... color time. | 20:13 |
| th1a | replaceafill: What are you doing now? | 20:14 |
| replaceafill | fixing the relationship button issue | 20:14 |
| replaceafill | the one reported by jelkner | 20:14 |
| th1a | Can you take a break? We just got color suggestions from Schwa. | 20:14 |
| replaceafill | ah! sure | 20:14 |
| th1a | I want to see how they look in the interface. | 20:14 |
| replaceafill | ok | 20:15 |
| replaceafill | :| | 20:16 |
| replaceafill | i like the blue ;) | 20:16 |
| th1a | Yeah... | 20:16 |
| th1a | Let's see. | 20:16 |
| replaceafill | ok | 20:16 |
| replaceafill | let me extract the colors | 20:16 |
| th1a | We'll just hack it for now. | 20:17 |
| th1a | This is where we need variables in CSS. | 20:18 |
| replaceafill | grep :P | 20:19 |
| replaceafill | i wish i was good at sed :( | 20:19 |
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| replaceafill | blue : 00abb3 | 20:20 |
| replaceafill | gray : 7e776e | 20:20 |
| replaceafill | orange: f0381f | 20:20 |
| replaceafill | ok | 20:20 |
| replaceafill | change all the light reds for orange? | 20:20 |
| th1a | Sure. | 20:20 |
| th1a | CL's interface is green, right? | 20:24 |
| replaceafill | yes | 20:24 |
| replaceafill | i can set up a branch with their skin in case you want to see it | 20:24 |
| th1a | Not necessary at this point. | 20:25 |
| replaceafill | ok, refresh | 20:26 |
| replaceafill | yikes :S | 20:26 |
| replaceafill | btw, we have aelkner's instance in case you want to compare with the current version: http://69.164.203.135:36660 | 20:30 |
| th1a | Keep in mind that he's just working on the logo now. | 20:32 |
| replaceafill | ah! | 20:32 |
| replaceafill | yeah i thought "a few mocks from them would be helpful..." :D | 20:32 |
| th1a | ? | 20:32 |
| replaceafill | nm | 20:33 |
| th1a | Basically I want to see if these plausibly work directly in the interface before I respond. | 20:33 |
| replaceafill | can we try the blue? :) | 20:34 |
| th1a | Yes. | 20:34 |
| replaceafill | i know you're not a blue fan | 20:34 |
| replaceafill | k | 20:34 |
| th1a | I made it clear to them I didn't want to look like Windows. | 20:36 |
| replaceafill | refresh | 20:37 |
| th1a | It is difficult to adjust one's expectations. | 20:38 |
| replaceafill | i think blue letter on gray doesnt look good | 20:39 |
| replaceafill | it looks kind of weak | 20:39 |
| replaceafill | (or whatever the right term is) :) | 20:40 |
| th1a | That's not a concern. | 20:40 |
| th1a | I'm just thinking about the header color. | 20:40 |
| th1a | I think the teal is plasible. | 20:45 |
| th1a | In general. | 20:45 |
| th1a | This orange is too close to Ubuntu orange for us to also copy their web design. | 20:45 |
| th1a | Basically I just sent an email asking if he could do a mockup of the top bar. | 21:11 |
| replaceafill | th1a yes, that's what we need | 21:12 |
| th1a | It is much more important than the logo. | 21:12 |
| th1a | So I guess I can tell Mark we have around 5,000,000 users. | 21:13 |
| th1a | :-D | 21:13 |
| replaceafill | :| | 21:13 |
| th1a | Sort of. | 21:13 |
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| jelkner | replaceafill, mr. cerna, will you be around tomorrow? | 21:20 |
| replaceafill | jelkner when do you want me online? | 21:21 |
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| jelkner | replaceafill, you pick a time | 21:42 |
| jelkner | i'm available all day | 21:42 |
| jelkner | starting at 10 am | 21:43 |
| jelkner | I'm going to ask mattva01 if he can join us | 21:43 |
| jelkner | i want to get pyquiz working | 21:43 |
| replaceafill | i thought it was working already? | 21:44 |
| jelkner | matt said it wasn't | 21:44 |
| th1a | replaceafill: Vinny is going to have a crack at the top bar. | 21:44 |
| replaceafill | th1a great! | 21:44 |
| replaceafill | th1a will be watching the basecamp :) | 21:44 |
| jelkner | there is an issue with terms | 21:44 |
| th1a | It would be the next step anyhow. | 21:44 |
| replaceafill | jelkner i can solve that easily on the schooltool side | 21:45 |
| jelkner | replaceafill, can we say 10 am? | 21:45 |
| replaceafill | jelkner today | 21:45 |
| jelkner | i can't today | 21:45 |
| jelkner | friday is my day to spend with my wife | 21:45 |
| replaceafill | saturday is mine :) | 21:45 |
| jelkner | if i want to stay married, that time is sacred | 21:45 |
| jelkner | ok, fair enough | 21:45 |
| th1a | lol | 21:45 |
| replaceafill | jelkner mattva01 told me he needed term titles in the xmlrpc response | 21:46 |
| jelkner | yes | 21:46 |
| replaceafill | i was thinking of even put the year there | 21:46 |
| jelkner | i'm going to email, jboisture, pgulley, and driech to see if any of them can be on this channel tomorrow at 10 am | 21:47 |
| jelkner | i want to test and fix pyquiz | 21:47 |
| jelkner | so i can start using it next week | 21:47 |
| replaceafill | i'd rather work on that today | 21:47 |
| replaceafill | they can fix the pyquiz side tomorrow | 21:47 |
| jelkner | that's fine | 21:47 |
| replaceafill | i'll send an email after i've updated the methods | 21:47 |
| jelkner | but if we encounter ST issues, do we have a B plan? | 21:48 |
| jelkner | is this something aelkner could help with? | 21:48 |
| jelkner | or only you | 21:48 |
| jelkner | or yvl | 21:48 |
| replaceafill | anyone i think | 21:48 |
| jelkner | cool | 21:48 |
| jelkner | i'll call aelkner | 21:48 |
| jelkner | i have his number ;-) | 21:48 |
| replaceafill | ok | 21:48 |
| replaceafill | jelkner change made | 22:01 |
| replaceafill | sending email... | 22:01 |
| replaceafill | jelkner email sent | 22:08 |
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