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aks | yvl: what's the ETA for release of the next version with a lot of changes in the UI (the one you were talking of)? | 12:14 |
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yvl | aks, do you mean alpha version or the "final" release? | 12:14 |
aks | yvl: alpha so that I can test, and final so that I can build RPM against | 12:15 |
yvl | alpha should come out in next few weeks, but I will ask menesis about the details | 12:15 |
yvl | final is scheduled for mid October | 12:15 |
yvl | of course if you want, you can get the source now: | 12:18 |
yvl | https://code.launchpad.net/~schooltool-owners/schooltool/flourish | 12:18 |
yvl | https://code.launchpad.net/~schooltool-owners/schooltool.gradebook/flourish | 12:19 |
yvl | and so on | 12:19 |
yvl | but there are no eggs at the moment | 12:19 |
aks | yvl: ok | 12:19 |
aks | yvl: thanks | 12:23 |
yvl | thanks, aks :) | 12:25 |
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jelkner | I just filed a new bug on the sections view | 15:16 |
jelkner | https://bugs.launchpad.net/schooltool/+bug/844740 | 15:16 |
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jelkner | th1a, how do i get the journal working? | 15:22 |
jelkner | wait, maybe i have to be teacher to do that | 15:22 |
jelkner | since manager doesn't have any sections | 15:23 |
jelkner | hmmm... when i log in as teacher and navigate to the section, then click on "Journal" i see "You can manage timetables for this section here: Timetables" | 15:25 |
jelkner | but clicking on the Timetables link takes me to a screen with "Done" as the only link. | 15:25 |
jelkner | and text that reads "Nothing scheduled yet" | 15:25 |
yvl | good point, Jeff | 15:26 |
yvl | an administrator or a clerk needs to set up section schedule | 15:26 |
jelkner | yvl, i didn't see how to do that | 15:26 |
jelkner | let me return | 15:26 |
yvl | and to do that, they need to set up at least one school timetable | 15:26 |
jelkner | as manager | 15:26 |
jelkner | i did | 15:26 |
jelkner | default | 15:27 |
yvl | oh, good | 15:27 |
jelkner | now i'm trying to link a section with a period | 15:27 |
yvl | so if you navigate as a clerk/manager to section | 15:27 |
yvl | and click on schedule | 15:27 |
yvl | you can add your timetable and select desired periods | 15:27 |
jelkner | https://schooltool.gctaa.net/schoolyears/2011-2012/first-quarter/sections/1 | 15:28 |
jelkner | i'm here | 15:28 |
jelkner | but i don't see schedule as an option | 15:28 |
jelkner | oh wait | 15:28 |
jelkner | yes i do ;-) | 15:28 |
jelkner | under calendar | 15:28 |
yvl | yes | 15:28 |
yvl | in the "Section's" box | 15:29 |
jelkner | got it! | 15:29 |
jelkner | thanks~! | 15:29 |
yvl | cool :) | 15:29 |
yvl | you're most welcome, Jeff :) | 15:30 |
jelkner | I have another bug to report, but I'm having trouble reproducing it | 15:41 |
jelkner | yvl, i have an idea, but before i try it i want to ask you if its reasonable | 15:42 |
jelkner | we have setup our program coordinator as an administrator | 15:42 |
jelkner | and two of us created an intervention yesterday | 15:42 |
jelkner | i went to show it to her this morning | 15:43 |
jelkner | but she got an "access denied" screen when she clicked on the "Intervention" link | 15:43 |
jelkner | Sean and Isaac are excited about testing SchoolTool, and willing to take the time to play around with it | 15:43 |
jelkner | I don't want to ask Amanda (the coordinator) to do that | 15:44 |
jelkner | she will quickly tire of it and not want to use it | 15:44 |
jelkner | I went and made a new account for myself with a new user (so we could share it for testing) and set that to the administrator group | 15:44 |
jelkner | i did not get access denied when i clicked on Intervention | 15:45 |
jelkner | I double checked, Amanda is definitely in the administrator group | 15:45 |
jelkner | my hypothesis is - she just changed her password, but she didn't log out and log back in. does that sound reasonable? | 15:46 |
jelkner | if that is the case, then the bug would be: SchoolTool fails to prompt you to logout after changing your password. | 15:47 |
yvl | sorry, Jeff, I was away for few minutes | 15:49 |
yvl | jelkner, how did the "access denied" screen look like? | 15:50 |
yvl | was it SchoolTool login screen or something else? | 15:50 |
yvl | hmm | 15:55 |
yvl | I think I can guess what the problem was | 15:55 |
yvl | there is a problem with interventions link at the moment: | 15:56 |
yvl | if you log in, say as administrator | 15:56 |
yvl | open some page in a new tab | 15:56 |
yvl | (ST page) | 15:56 |
yvl | log out | 15:56 |
yvl | and log in as another person | 15:56 |
yvl | intervention link from the first page will redirect you to log-in screen | 15:57 |
yvl | but | 15:57 |
yvl | if you click on intervention tab again - it should work | 15:57 |
jelkner | yvl, i'm going to wait a bit before i ask her to try again | 16:05 |
jelkner | the tricky part is here is political - i'm trying to get our whole program to use ST this year | 16:05 |
yvl | wow | 16:05 |
jelkner | the eager folks are ready to test with us | 16:05 |
jelkner | but that is just 3 of us | 16:05 |
jelkner | the others are more reluctant | 16:05 |
jelkner | they will do it if it works | 16:06 |
jelkner | but if it seems like extra hassle for them, they will loose interest quickly | 16:06 |
jelkner | so i only want to pull them in when we are ready | 16:06 |
yvl | I understand | 16:06 |
yvl | I'll toy around to see what could have caused this | 16:07 |
yvl | but my money is on Interventions link itself | 16:07 |
jelkner | thanks, and sean, isaac and i will keep using everything on our side | 16:08 |
yvl | thanks a lot! | 16:08 |
* yvl cannot express in writing the gratitude for testing | 16:09 | |
jelkner | yvl, when you create a section, you can't set the title? | 16:09 |
jelkner | it seems i can edit it afterward | 16:09 |
jelkner | and i can enter a description | 16:10 |
jelkner | but i get default titles based on the course with a number in parenthesis following it | 16:10 |
jelkner | and navigating sections is very difficult with the current sections view | 16:10 |
jelkner | i filed a bug on that this morning | 16:10 |
yvl | regarding section titles - we made this to simplify creation few years back, but now we could definitely re-think this | 16:11 |
yvl | jelkner, did you see my response about sorting by course? | 16:11 |
jelkner | no | 16:11 |
* yvl answered that some minutes ago | 16:11 | |
yvl | there are little up-down arrows | 16:12 |
yvl | in the table heading, near to "Title", "Term", "Courses" | 16:12 |
* jelkner goes to look | 16:12 | |
yvl | if you click on them, you can sort the table | 16:12 |
jelkner | which screen? | 16:12 |
yvl | actually, you can click on heading titles themselves | 16:12 |
yvl | in the sections screen | 16:12 |
yvl | Manage -> Sections | 16:13 |
yvl | sorry | 16:13 |
yvl | old habits | 16:13 |
yvl | School -> Sections :) | 16:13 |
yvl | https://schooltool.gctaa.net/sections | 16:13 |
yvl | (I guessed the link) | 16:13 |
jelkner | https://schooltool.gctaa.net/sections?schoolyear_id=2011-2012 | 16:13 |
jelkner | i'm here | 16:13 |
jelkner | but don't see any arrows | 16:13 |
jelkner | oh wait | 16:14 |
jelkner | i see them now | 16:14 |
jelkner | they are really small | 16:14 |
jelkner | next to the table headings | 16:14 |
yvl | right | 16:14 |
yvl | and I mislead you a bit | 16:14 |
jelkner | cool, that helps | 16:15 |
yvl | you need to click on text near those arrows | 16:15 |
jelkner | yes | 16:15 |
jelkner | i figured that out and it works | 16:15 |
jelkner | that's an improvement | 16:15 |
jelkner | Now when the terms are listed chronologically instead of alphabetically, it will be even better | 16:16 |
yvl | great to hear :) | 16:17 |
jelkner | drats, i think i reported this already | 16:18 |
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jelkner | but i'm adding a teacher to a section | 16:18 |
jelkner | oh yeah, the firefox bug | 16:18 |
jelkner | never mind | 16:18 |
jelkner | i need to use chromium | 16:18 |
yvl | we will definitely, definitely fix this for final release :) | 16:20 |
jelkner | i can image so, since ST needs to work on Ubuntu ;-) | 16:20 |
jelkner | stock Ubuntu, that is | 16:20 |
yvl | right | 16:23 |
th1a | hi yvl, menesis, aelkner, replaceafill. | 16:31 |
yvl | good morning | 16:31 |
aelkner | morning | 16:31 |
replaceafill | good morning/afternoon | 16:31 |
menesis | hi | 16:31 |
th1a | jelkner: ayt? | 16:33 |
th1a | Anyhow, yvl, would you like to start? | 16:33 |
yvl | sure | 16:33 |
yvl | it so happened that I took these three days off SchoolTool | 16:34 |
yvl | sorry | 16:34 |
yvl | it's somewhat hectic here :) | 16:34 |
th1a | I gather. | 16:34 |
yvl | but I'll be back full speed Monday | 16:34 |
yvl | and probably even this Friday :) | 16:35 |
* th1a and yvl have been exchanging some emails on changes at PoV. | 16:35 | |
yvl | then again, I think the timing to take a short break is acceptable | 16:35 |
th1a | Better than last week or two weeks ago. | 16:35 |
yvl | right | 16:35 |
yvl | or two weeks from now | 16:35 |
th1a | OK. Fair enough. | 16:36 |
th1a | menesis: How about you? | 16:37 |
menesis | th1a: still dealing with translations | 16:38 |
menesis | will finish today | 16:38 |
th1a | No roadblocks? | 16:38 |
menesis | no, solved things today | 16:39 |
th1a | OK. Thanks. | 16:40 |
th1a | replaceafill? | 16:40 |
replaceafill | ok | 16:40 |
replaceafill | i investigated the slow journal problem | 16:40 |
replaceafill | i found that i was calling the meetings method twice | 16:40 |
replaceafill | so, i fixed it | 16:41 |
aelkner | replaceafill, this calling of things with define at the top is a good idea | 16:41 |
aelkner | i saw you do it in tadebook views | 16:41 |
replaceafill | aelkner ah yes, the gradebook had the same issue | 16:41 |
aelkner | s i've ben getting more in the habit of dong that | 16:41 |
replaceafill | with too many activities it would get very slow | 16:41 |
replaceafill | also, i investigated the keyboard navigation problem that aelkner reported | 16:42 |
replaceafill | i'm setting up a worksheet with multiple types of activities to test | 16:42 |
replaceafill | and make sure keyboard navigation works with any type | 16:42 |
replaceafill | yesterday, thanks to jelkner i found that ff 4+ has changed the way it handles <input type="image" ... /> tags | 16:43 |
replaceafill | it doesn't send the name anymore | 16:44 |
replaceafill | just $name.x and $name.y | 16:44 |
th1a | Oh, that comes up on the NEW ff. | 16:44 |
replaceafill | yes | 16:44 |
replaceafill | and it doesnt in chrome | 16:45 |
th1a | So how much of a problem is that? | 16:45 |
replaceafill | here's an interesting and heated conversation on the issue https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=583211 | 16:45 |
replaceafill | th1a not much i hope, i just have to test if <button> tags work the same | 16:46 |
replaceafill | maybe even <input type="submit"> with css | 16:46 |
replaceafill | could work | 16:46 |
replaceafill | i'll work on that today | 16:46 |
yvl | maybe we can work around that with javascript? | 16:47 |
replaceafill | yvl thought so | 16:47 |
replaceafill | (since it's proposed in one of the forums i read) | 16:47 |
yvl | :D | 16:47 |
replaceafill | people add the name as hidden before submitting the form | 16:47 |
replaceafill | it seems like an old issue with IE/Opera | 16:48 |
replaceafill | i think trying to change the button tags is not very difficult | 16:48 |
th1a | ok | 16:48 |
replaceafill | at least i can test it | 16:48 |
replaceafill | also, i made a couple of fixes to the section and person add forms | 16:49 |
replaceafill | related to displaying errors | 16:49 |
replaceafill | finally, i've been helping Matt to set up jelkner's instances, with pyquiz and the schooltool.pyquiz xmlrpc stuff | 16:49 |
replaceafill | i guess that's it from me | 16:50 |
th1a | OK. Thanks replaceafill. | 16:50 |
th1a | aelkner? | 16:50 |
aelkner | ok, first i fixed the view.html to be a table as you requested | 16:51 |
aelkner | also, i fixed the bug where it doesn't handle external activities well | 16:51 |
aelkner | now they are read only as they shold be | 16:52 |
th1a | Can I see that? | 16:52 |
aelkner | gthere is a css issue i'd like to discuss with that form, one sec | 16:52 |
aelkner | as teacher001: | 16:53 |
aelkner | http://69.164.203.135:36660/schoolyears/2008-2009/2008-fall/sections/science_a_2008-fall_teacher001_000/activities/Worksheet/gradebook/student417 | 16:53 |
aelkner | note that the first occurance of journal average has a 4, so i takes up space | 16:53 |
aelkner | that's evidance of the bug, btw that i was able to score that cell before | 16:54 |
aelkner | but that's fixed now | 16:54 |
aelkner | note the second occrance of journal average that correctly has no score | 16:54 |
aelkner | it has an empty span, but we could use css to at least make it take up some vertical space | 16:55 |
th1a | Why does one correctly have no score? | 16:55 |
aelkner | the journal average is an external activity, so it's value only comes from journal data | 16:55 |
th1a | Oh, one INCORRECTLY does. | 16:55 |
aelkner | the fact that i was able to put a four there was th e bug i fixed | 16:56 |
aelkner | i changed the order now, replaceafill, please look | 16:56 |
aelkner | http://69.164.203.135:36660/schoolyears/2008-2009/2008-fall/sections/science_a_2008-fall_teacher001_000/activities/Worksheet/gradebook/student417 | 16:56 |
replaceafill | looking... | 16:57 |
aelkner | now that the empty score joural average is first, you can see what the implication is of the empty span | 16:57 |
replaceafill | aelkner got it | 16:57 |
aelkner | it doesn't have any space to separate it from the next activitiy | 16:57 |
th1a | Can you skip the linked and external activities here? | 16:57 |
aelkner | ok, next | 16:57 |
replaceafill | aelkner can't you insert an instead? | 16:58 |
aelkner | http://69.164.203.135:36660/schoolyears/2008-2009/2008-fall/sections/science_a_2008-fall_teacher001_000/activities/Worksheet/gradebook | 16:58 |
th1a | I don't like having activities in here you can't score at all. | 16:58 |
aelkner | replaceafill, it's a edit form, and the fields in question are read only | 16:58 |
aelkner | th1a, good point | 16:58 |
aelkner | i could change that to just not have the fields | 16:58 |
th1a | Just get rid of them entirely. | 16:59 |
aelkner | cool, will do | 16:59 |
aelkner | replaceafill, never mind, thanks | 16:59 |
replaceafill | aelkner :) | 16:59 |
aelkner | it wasn't an obvious choice to eleimnate the fields, but i'm glad for the executive decision | 16:59 |
aelkner | i guess some teacher might miss seeing the data there, but more than likely, most will not | 17:00 |
th1a | If they can't do anything with it, it isn't helping. | 17:00 |
aelkner | yeah | 17:00 |
aelkner | ok, so back to the gradebook | 17:00 |
aelkner | http://69.164.203.135:36660/schoolyears/2008-2009/2008-fall/sections/science_a_2008-fall_teacher001_000/activities/Worksheet/gradebook | 17:00 |
aelkner | Delete, Move left and Move right activity menu choices | 17:01 |
th1a | We also need to style these menus. | 17:01 |
aelkner | only for non-deployed workheets | 17:01 |
th1a | replaceafill: You and I should do that soon. | 17:01 |
replaceafill | th1a ok | 17:01 |
aelkner | also, if worksheet is deployed:: | 17:02 |
th1a | aelkner: OK, that looks good. | 17:02 |
th1a | you mean report sheet? | 17:02 |
aelkner | activity col menus have only Score, no edit, delete or move | 17:02 |
aelkner | also, Add -> Activity should not appear in the sidebar | 17:02 |
aelkner | does not appear, i should say | 17:02 |
aelkner | this way, report sheets will always remain as they are set up by the administrator | 17:03 |
menesis | there is no way to update external activities. it was hidden somewhere deep previously | 17:03 |
aelkner | good point | 17:03 |
aelkner | that should go in the column men, right th1a? | 17:03 |
th1a | That's what I was thinking. | 17:03 |
th1a | Actions | 17:04 |
th1a | - Update External Activities | 17:04 |
aelkner | not the column menu then | 17:04 |
aelkner | or both? | 17:04 |
aelkner | th1a, if it's also a column menu item, would 'Update this activity' be a good menu tem? | 17:05 |
th1a | Oh, column menu! | 17:05 |
th1a | Right. Sorry. | 17:06 |
th1a | Yes, there. | 17:06 |
th1a | "Update" | 17:06 |
th1a | Sorry. | 17:06 |
aelkner | also, Actionss -> Update External Activities to do all for this sheet? | 17:06 |
aelkner | or forget that? | 17:06 |
th1a | No. | 17:06 |
th1a | Forget it. | 17:06 |
aelkner | ok | 17:06 |
aelkner | ok, also, i noticed that you and replaceafill had removed Total and Ave from report sheets | 17:07 |
aelkner | in the processColumnPreferences routine there is new code to override the hide settings | 17:07 |
aelkner | i understand why, but i found a bug that i fixed | 17:07 |
* yvl would kindly like to ask to excuse him to go to a birthday... | 17:08 | |
aelkner | the Name menu still had Sow/Hid Total and Ave. even though it ignored what the user did there | 17:08 |
* th1a drops the bag of gravel. | 17:08 | |
aelkner | so i got rid of those menu items | 17:08 |
yvl | thanks, th1a | 17:08 |
th1a | Thanks guys. | 17:08 |
th1a | Keep going aelkner. | 17:08 |
aelkner | yvl, have a great birthday celbration | 17:08 |
yvl | thanks, aelkner (it's my friends birthday btw) | 17:09 |
aelkner | ah | 17:09 |
aelkner | btw, yvl, i saw your note about no mygrades view in flourish, so i create one | 17:09 |
yvl | oh, great! | 17:09 |
aelkner | as student001: | 17:11 |
aelkner | http://69.164.203.135:36660/schoolyears/2008-2009/2008-fall/sections/science_a_2008-fall_teacher001_000/activities/Worksheet/mygrades | 17:11 |
aelkner | it doesn't have year navigation becuase the old skin didn't | 17:11 |
aelkner | i could put that in there if you'd rather it had it, th1a | 17:11 |
aelkner | i guess we figured in the old skin that a student shouldn't be ale to navigate years | 17:12 |
aelkner | that may have been an arbitrary decision, but maybe not | 17:12 |
th1a | aelkner: I get a ValueError if I try to go there as teacher001, btw. | 17:12 |
th1a | So that's a bug. | 17:12 |
aelkner | ok, i'll look into that | 17:13 |
aelkner | the teacher has no right to see that view | 17:13 |
aelkner | they have view.html for that | 17:13 |
aelkner | mygrades is an adapter that goes to IStuentGradebook | 17:14 |
aelkner | that is student specific | 17:14 |
replaceafill | aelkner *you* removed Total and Ave from report sheets ;) | 17:14 |
aelkner | replaceafill, i did? :) | 17:14 |
replaceafill | yep | 17:14 |
th1a | aelkner: It just shouldn't throw a traceback. | 17:14 |
aelkner | th1a, of course not, i'm just saying | 17:14 |
th1a | It is not a high priority but. | 17:14 |
th1a | bug | 17:14 |
aelkner | but i'll fix it | 17:14 |
aelkner | it should go to NotFound at least | 17:15 |
th1a | Sure you could add year navigation to this. | 17:15 |
aelkner | ok | 17:15 |
aelkner | so, the only thing i was wondering about is the visual cues for things lke report sheets | 17:16 |
aelkner | th1a, you had mentioned that you would have preferred a different color for them | 17:16 |
aelkner | back in the day, you've already been wanting that | 17:16 |
th1a | Yes. | 17:16 |
aelkner | do you think you and replaceafill could work out something there? | 17:16 |
aelkner | also, what about external activities and linked columns which are not editable | 17:17 |
aelkner | is there a way we could have a visual cue in the menu heading or something? | 17:17 |
aelkner | so that the user can plainly see which are which without having to click Edit? | 17:18 |
aelkner | three different colors for the three different activity types? | 17:18 |
th1a | Hm... maybe to indicate the types that are not editable. | 17:19 |
th1a | But basically, now that we've got the logo out of the way, things should start moving faster on the Schwa side. | 17:19 |
aelkner | ok, so anyway, that's my report | 17:20 |
th1a | So we can deal with the specifics when we have a new color palette. | 17:20 |
th1a | What's next aelkner? | 17:20 |
aelkner | good question | 17:20 |
th1a | Seems like you've been very productive! | 17:20 |
aelkner | lots of small tasks | 17:21 |
th1a | I think aelkner's principal actually got a NotFound from the intervention tab. | 17:21 |
aelkner | there are security issues to be sure | 17:22 |
th1a | That's something I've run into to so consider it a high priority. | 17:22 |
th1a | No. | 17:22 |
th1a | I'm guessing it was NotFound, which is a bug particular to Intervention. | 17:22 |
aelkner | ok, i'll look into that | 17:22 |
th1a | If you log out in one window and click the intervention tab in another, you get NotFound, not a login. | 17:22 |
aelkner | principal? | 17:22 |
replaceafill | Matt also reported it, when he was setting jelkner's instance | 17:22 |
aelkner | so you mean manager? | 17:23 |
th1a | IF you're logged in as anyone in one screen so that the intervention tab is there. | 17:23 |
th1a | And then log out in another window. | 17:23 |
th1a | (so you're logged out) | 17:23 |
th1a | And then click on the old Intervention link, then you get the NotFound. | 17:23 |
th1a | See? | 17:23 |
aelkner | go it | 17:24 |
aelkner | isn't that an app-wide issue? | 17:24 |
aelkner | i mean anytime a user tries to access a forbidden page, the same code is supposed to take then to login | 17:24 |
aelkner | we've never had to handle that in our views before | 17:25 |
aelkner | it's a plumbing feature | 17:25 |
th1a | I think it is because Intervention is doing something more dynamically than the others. | 17:25 |
aelkner | it uses traversal adapters | 17:25 |
aelkner | perhaps that's it | 17:26 |
aelkner | hm | 17:26 |
th1a | It doesn't happen with the other tabs. | 17:26 |
aelkner | i'll poke around with that | 17:26 |
aelkner | still i could use a more significant task for until Monday | 17:26 |
th1a | replaceafill: Are you doing tertiary nav for terms? | 17:27 |
replaceafill | it's in my list, but i havent' started it yet | 17:27 |
th1a | aelkner could do that. | 17:27 |
replaceafill | th1a kk | 17:27 |
aelkner | is it /terms? | 17:27 |
th1a | Yes, just revert to the pattern we settled on for the rest of flourish. | 17:28 |
aelkner | yes, it will be cleaner that way | 17:29 |
aelkner | one more thing, you asked for redirect when report card requested with no layout defined | 17:29 |
th1a | Also, I guess I must relent and add a title field to add section. | 17:29 |
th1a | aelkner: What happens now? | 17:30 |
aelkner | it returns a report card with heading ok and everything, just no columns | 17:30 |
aelkner | so it's a dumb report, but it's not broken | 17:30 |
th1a | OK, don't worry about it. | 17:31 |
th1a | Just leave it for now. | 17:31 |
aelkner | ok | 17:32 |
aelkner | i'll probably find other things to do while poking arond | 17:32 |
aelkner | that should cover me until Monday | 17:32 |
th1a | OK. | 17:32 |
replaceafill | th1a zyt? | 18:00 |
th1a | y | 18:00 |
replaceafill | http://69.164.203.135:6660/schoolyears/2008-2009/addSection.html | 18:00 |
replaceafill | select a course | 18:00 |
replaceafill | use 2009 for starting term and 2008 for ends term | 18:00 |
replaceafill | i want your opinion on that error message | 18:01 |
replaceafill | i think it's too verbose | 18:01 |
th1a | I think it is fine unless you have something specific in mind. | 18:01 |
replaceafill | removing the parentheses parts | 18:02 |
th1a | ok | 18:02 |
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th1a | replaceafill: Can you check out the email I just sent? | 20:15 |
th1a | I don't know if you understand this apache stuff. | 20:16 |
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