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replaceafill | yvl you around? | 10:38 |
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yvl | hey | 10:38 |
replaceafill | hey yvl | 10:38 |
replaceafill | can i have your opinion on a diff? | 10:38 |
yvl | sure | 10:39 |
replaceafill | http://pastebin.com/cy7d1hg4 | 10:39 |
replaceafill | it's about setting a default width for dialogs | 10:39 |
replaceafill | in the dialog class | 10:39 |
replaceafill | i was thinking of doing it through css (somehow), but then i saw the setting... :) | 10:39 |
yvl | that is something that should have been done a while ago | 10:40 |
yvl | thanks man | 10:40 |
replaceafill | :) | 10:40 |
replaceafill | i'll push then | 10:41 |
yvl | thanks :) | 10:41 |
replaceafill | btw, i tried to fix the infamous negative margin on buttons | 10:42 |
replaceafill | let me know if you find issues with them | 10:42 |
replaceafill | i checked most of the forms where i noticed the issue... but you never know ;) | 10:43 |
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yvl | yay | 11:19 |
yvl | sure, I'm going over all SchoolTool today | 11:20 |
replaceafill | :) | 11:20 |
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aks | yvl: has there been changes in the stapp7/configure.zcml file from 1.5.1 to 1.6.0b1? | 13:11 |
aks | yvl: I'm currently building 1.6 RPMs | 13:11 |
aks | yvl: all other dependencies have been built, but my build fails for schooltool (as I had been applying a patch to the older file) | 13:11 |
yvl | hmm, a good question, aks | 13:14 |
yvl | have to look | 13:14 |
aks | yvl: ok | 13:14 |
yvl | but I'd guess - yes | 13:14 |
aks | yvl: can you please look at https://gitorious.org/schooltool-rpm/schooltool-rpm/blobs/develop/F13/SOURCES/schooltool-1.5.1.stimporterror.patch | 13:15 |
yvl | sure | 13:16 |
aks | yvl: that is the patch file I had been applying, the content seems to have totally changed | 13:16 |
aks | yvl: also I would like you to help me on how to get the functionality of that patch file in 1.6.0b1 | 13:17 |
yvl | oh, right | 13:18 |
yvl | apply it to src/schooltool/standard/configure.zcml | 13:18 |
yvl | hmm. | 13:19 |
aks | yvl: ok, thanks | 13:20 |
yvl | aks, and remove these: 9 | 13:21 |
yvl | + <include package="schooltool.help" /> | 13:21 |
yvl | 10 | 13:21 |
yvl | + <include package="schooltool.basicperson" /> | 13:21 |
yvl | 11 | 13:21 |
yvl | + <include package="z3c.optionstorage" /> | 13:21 |
yvl | and this: 8 | 13:22 |
yvl | + <include xmlns:zcml="http://namespaces.zope.org/zcml" zcml:condition="have devmode" package="schooltool.devmode" /> | 13:22 |
aks | yvl: ok | 13:22 |
* yvl does not know why you are including schooltool.requirement | 13:22 | |
aks | yvl: I don't remember about schooltool.requirement, but I did it to fix some error in my previous build | 13:25 |
yvl | well, try building and if something... like gradebook does not work, please let me know | 13:25 |
aks | yvl: sure | 13:26 |
aks | yvl: just built RPM packages for all the schooltool dependencies along with schooltool 1.6 itself | 13:37 |
aks | yvl: will be testing them in the coming week, and everything works fine, will release them | 13:37 |
yvl | cool | 13:38 |
aks | yvl: :) | 13:38 |
aks | yvl: Also to inform you that I met a guy called Danishka Navin, from Srilanka | 13:39 |
aks | yvl: He is the lead for Hanthana Linux (a Fedora based remix), and he wanted to include SchoolTool in his remix too (as he's planning to deploy in various schools there) | 13:40 |
yvl | wow :) | 13:40 |
yvl | will pass this to Tom ;) | 13:40 |
aks | yvl: so on Fedora side, SchoolTool would be at 3 countries - Nepal, Rwanda, & SriLanka | 13:40 |
aks | yvl: sure :) | 13:41 |
yvl | awesome :))) | 13:41 |
aks | yvl: I'm also planning to talk to Uruguway and Peru OLPC guys and push SchoolTool there as well | 13:41 |
aks | yvl: you guys have really developed an awesome tool, thanks to you guys | 13:42 |
yvl | that's great to hear, aks! | 13:46 |
aks | yvl: :) | 13:46 |
yvl | by the way - we will be releasing a beta some time soon | 13:46 |
aks | yvl: ok | 13:46 |
yvl | this is a biggest UI remake in SchoolTool history | 13:47 |
yvl | it should be much easier to use -- and look way better ;) | 13:47 |
aks | yvl: really? keep me updated, as I might have to change my build scripts | 13:47 |
aks | yvl: that's a great news :) | 13:47 |
yvl | we're all pretty excited about this release :) | 13:48 |
aks | yvl: are the mockups available somewhere? | 13:49 |
yvl | not yet, but they soon will be | 13:51 |
aks | yvl: ok | 14:42 |
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th1a | hi replaceafill, menesis, yvl, aelkner. | 16:30 |
replaceafill | good morning/afternoon | 16:30 |
menesis | hi | 16:30 |
aelkner | morning | 16:31 |
th1a | replaceafill, why don't you start us off? | 16:32 |
replaceafill | sure | 16:32 |
yvl | hey | 16:32 |
replaceafill | yesterday, th1a and i cleaned the term views | 16:33 |
replaceafill | http://69.164.203.135:6660/schoolyears/2011/q4 | 16:33 |
replaceafill | check also the edit form | 16:33 |
replaceafill | we had some discussion about the Refresh button :) | 16:34 |
replaceafill | i also removed the Delete column from the score systems view | 16:34 |
replaceafill | http://69.164.203.135:6660/scoresystems | 16:35 |
replaceafill | http://69.164.203.135:6660/scoresystems/passfail | 16:35 |
replaceafill | and added a Delete action | 16:35 |
replaceafill | th1a we need better text for the Delete dialog | 16:35 |
replaceafill | since it doesn't destroy data :) | 16:35 |
th1a | Yes, it doesn't need that warning. | 16:35 |
th1a | replaceafill: Is there anything else in your queue? | 16:36 |
replaceafill | th1a yes, small things | 16:36 |
replaceafill | but i also noticed | 16:36 |
replaceafill | that we dont have the activity categories view | 16:36 |
replaceafill | do we? | 16:36 |
aelkner | replaceafill, can one edit a scoresystem? | 16:36 |
replaceafill | aelkner no | 16:36 |
th1a | You just make a new one and hide the old one. | 16:37 |
aelkner | that was true in the old sin, to, right? | 16:37 |
replaceafill | aelkner did you work on the categories view? | 16:37 |
th1a | I guess we do need activity categories. | 16:37 |
aelkner | no | 16:37 |
replaceafill | aelkner yes | 16:37 |
replaceafill | th1a kk, i'll work on that | 16:37 |
replaceafill | also | 16:37 |
replaceafill | i made a few of css changes | 16:38 |
replaceafill | removed the negative margin for the buttons | 16:38 |
replaceafill | please check the forms where you noticed the issue to make sure it's gone | 16:38 |
th1a | replaceafill: I think you and I are going to check everything together today. | 16:38 |
replaceafill | th1a ah ok | 16:38 |
replaceafill | also, set a default width for dialogs | 16:39 |
replaceafill | in the dialog class | 16:39 |
replaceafill | and removed some XXXs related | 16:39 |
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replaceafill | finally, added a request view for section absences report | 16:39 |
th1a | I took some notes yesterday but at this point think going through stuff together is better than writing giant notes and sending them off. | 16:39 |
aelkner | replaceafill, i pushed gradebook changes to trunk, so be sure to merge with them | 16:40 |
replaceafill | aelkner ah ok, will do | 16:40 |
replaceafill | i also fixed the gap issue in the journal | 16:40 |
replaceafill | and i guess that's it from me | 16:40 |
th1a | Thanks replaceafill. | 16:40 |
th1a | yvl? | 16:40 |
yvl | well, it was a good old "all testing day" | 16:41 |
yvl | but weirdly enough I didn't go over *all* of ST :) | 16:41 |
yvl | it's rather big it seems | 16:41 |
th1a | I was thinking it seems smaller now. | 16:41 |
th1a | But I may be kidding myself. | 16:41 |
yvl | it does indeed | 16:42 |
yvl | because, you know, it's cleaner and easier understand :) | 16:42 |
yvl | so... | 16:42 |
yvl | how would you like to process my notes? | 16:42 |
th1a | You can just mail them. | 16:43 |
th1a | And highlight a few things here if you'd like. | 16:43 |
yvl | ok... | 16:43 |
yvl | one of the bigger things is gradebook | 16:43 |
yvl | I think we should make a... | 16:43 |
yvl | "Grading" or "Gradebook" link in manage School page | 16:44 |
yvl | put stuff like: customize school activities | 16:44 |
yvl | deploy report sheets | 16:44 |
aelkner | i'm working on that next | 16:44 |
yvl | configure report cards and so on | 16:44 |
yvl | cool | 16:44 |
aelkner | but Grading in School? | 16:45 |
yvl | I also managed to get a traceback in... summary worksheet | 16:45 |
aelkner | why would you want that? | 16:45 |
th1a | yvl: Yeah, we could do that. I don't think it is a must for translations that it be done immediately. | 16:45 |
yvl | well, we can probably call "Gradebook" | 16:45 |
aelkner | we have the Gradebook tab already | 16:45 |
th1a | The School page is getting long. | 16:45 |
yvl | not tab | 16:45 |
yvl | oh | 16:45 |
yvl | I see | 16:45 |
yvl | well, scoresystems is a thing you would set up with the school | 16:46 |
th1a | Just to subdivide the gradebook related stuff out of school, right yvl? | 16:46 |
yvl | terms, schedules, reports - also | 16:46 |
yvl | right, th1a | 16:46 |
yvl | I think it could make a nice useful page | 16:46 |
yvl | there's a lot of gradebook-related stuff to customize! | 16:46 |
yvl | ok, next - intervention | 16:47 |
yvl | there's also a small bunch of notes | 16:47 |
yvl | and few tracebacks | 16:47 |
yvl | one with duplicate relationship in accidental uncommon scenario | 16:48 |
yvl | other related to permissions | 16:48 |
yvl | and - breadcrumbs, navigation, hiliting intervention tab | 16:48 |
yvl | what else... | 16:48 |
yvl | datepicker does not work in many cases, it would seem | 16:48 |
yvl | will need to fix that | 16:49 |
yvl | many date fields require m/d/y style of input | 16:49 |
yvl | so at the very least we should unify that | 16:49 |
yvl | adding a school year is quite hidden | 16:49 |
yvl | some links broken | 16:49 |
th1a | I was wondering about the date format. | 16:50 |
yvl | and there's missing things like done links here and there | 16:50 |
th1a | You're right about adding a school year. After the first one. | 16:50 |
yvl | right - but it is possible | 16:50 |
yvl | click on a schoolyear, click Done - if you're not using apache you'll get to the schoolyears page - there you can add and activate next | 16:51 |
yvl | or you can use breadcrumbs to navigate :) | 16:51 |
th1a | But yes, that's a bug. | 16:52 |
yvl | I'd like to remind, that we are now using "buttons" CSS class for form buttons | 16:52 |
th1a | We might be missing some student views. | 16:52 |
yvl | there are still remnants with "controls" that don't get styled | 16:52 |
replaceafill | hhhmm yvl i checked that last night | 16:53 |
replaceafill | there shouldn't be more "controls" class | 16:53 |
replaceafill | or maybe i missed some | 16:53 |
yvl | hmm | 16:54 |
yvl | well - some of the buttons were not styled | 16:54 |
yvl | I may have missed a commit or two :) | 16:54 |
replaceafill | http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~schooltool-owners/schooltool/flourish/revision/3082 | 16:54 |
yvl | ok :) | 16:55 |
yvl | so that's the hilites | 16:55 |
yvl | oh, also: | 16:55 |
yvl | http://schooltool.pov.lt/irclogs/%23schooltool.2011-08-26.log.html#t2011-08-26T13:39:32 | 16:56 |
yvl | ST goes Shrilanka :) | 16:56 |
th1a | Excellent news! | 16:57 |
yvl | right! :) | 16:57 |
th1a | Things are slowly chugging forward in Nigeria too, according to David Ally. | 16:57 |
yvl | cool | 16:59 |
yvl | you may have a very nice report for Mark by the end of this year ;) | 16:59 |
yvl | if it's ok, th1a, I'll continue testing on Monday | 16:59 |
yvl | there's still some pages I need to go through | 16:59 |
yvl | and I'd like to test logged in as not a super-user | 16:59 |
yvl | teacher, or advisor | 16:59 |
yvl | oh, and student190/intervention/intervention_center.html seems to be not implemented (person, interventions link) | 16:59 |
yvl | well, that's that | 17:00 |
yvl | and... "aks: yvl: you guys have really developed an awesome tool, thanks to you guys" | 17:01 |
yvl | ;) | 17:01 |
replaceafill | aelkner is it me or the default due date for activities has been removed? | 17:01 |
th1a | You certainly can't expect things to move fast there. | 17:01 |
th1a | OK, thanks yvl. | 17:01 |
th1a | aelkner? | 17:01 |
aelkner | replaceafill, the new date widget doesn't seem to work right | 17:01 |
aelkner | i noticed that, too, that the date doesn't get filled in | 17:02 |
replaceafill | my selenium tests are failing now :( | 17:02 |
replaceafill | because of the dates | 17:02 |
aelkner | yvl, also, why are we using an ugly datepicker with no year change capability? | 17:02 |
replaceafill | aelkner it does have year change capability... | 17:02 |
aelkner | how? | 17:02 |
replaceafill | and month change capability too | 17:02 |
replaceafill | do you see the two dropdown menus at the top of the calendar? | 17:03 |
th1a | We will change the theme too. | 17:04 |
aelkner | replaceafill, what menu? | 17:04 |
aelkner | i only see let and right arrorws | 17:04 |
replaceafill | aelkner are you running core trunk? | 17:04 |
aelkner | flourish, why? | 17:04 |
replaceafill | yes, i mean flourish trunk | 17:05 |
aelkner | no, my branch | 17:05 |
aelkner | do i need to merge again? | 17:05 |
replaceafill | if you want the right calendar yes | 17:05 |
aelkner | ah :) | 17:05 |
aelkner | never mind | 17:05 |
aelkner | th1a, i changed the templates view, logging in as manager: | 17:06 |
aelkner | http://69.164.203.135:36660/gradebook/templates | 17:06 |
aelkner | clicking on a template take you to the manage view for that template | 17:06 |
aelkner | there you can change the title or change the activities | 17:06 |
aelkner | i'm not crazy about the user having to figure out to hit Cancel to get back, but... | 17:06 |
replaceafill | btw guys i added a "fieldset-legend" class that makes a paragraph to look like a fieldset legend, you can check it at http://69.164.203.135:6660/schoolyears/2011/q1/@@edit.html | 17:07 |
replaceafill | (sorry to interrupt) | 17:07 |
aelkner | that's because we are combining edit with manage, something none of our other views so | 17:07 |
aelkner | do | 17:07 |
th1a | Could the table show the range of the score system instead of "generated?" | 17:08 |
aelkner | i suppose it could | 17:09 |
replaceafill | "Add Report Activity" should be contained in an h3 element | 17:09 |
aelkner | ok | 17:09 |
aelkner | also, the h3 for Report Activities is closer to the buttons that it is to the table | 17:09 |
aelkner | replaceafill, is there something i should do to fix that? | 17:10 |
replaceafill | aelkner why not use h2 as we do in the relationship views? | 17:10 |
aelkner | h2 for the heading and h3 for the link? | 17:10 |
th1a | Putting the add there is making me a little crazy. | 17:10 |
th1a | We'd better just put it in the sidebar. | 17:10 |
replaceafill | aelkner h2 for the heading | 17:11 |
aelkner | ok | 17:11 |
th1a | Also, I guess the best way to do this is to just put the title of the sheet here with an edit button and then an edit screen or dialog. | 17:13 |
aelkner | are you talking about the templates view? | 17:14 |
th1a | I didn't like complexifying the main table for table edit. | 17:14 |
th1a | And I don't really like complexifying this view for it now either. | 17:14 |
th1a | Does that make sense aelkner? | 17:14 |
aelkner | i was thinking about having the link go to the activities table and have a pencil next to it for editing the title | 17:14 |
aelkner | is that what you're saying? | 17:15 |
th1a | Not really. | 17:15 |
aelkner | i'm not sure what you're suggesting then | 17:15 |
th1a | So anyhow, what I'm saying is we should move the title edit into a separate view. | 17:15 |
th1a | It does junk this up too much. | 17:15 |
aelkner | i agree | 17:16 |
aelkner | how does the user get to the title edit view then? | 17:16 |
aelkner | that's why i suggested the pencil next to the link, but perhaps you have something else in mind | 17:17 |
th1a | But you should get there from the template edit view. | 17:18 |
th1a | Not from the main index of templates. | 17:18 |
th1a | Clear as mud? | 17:18 |
aelkner | not | 17:18 |
aelkner | let's start from the tamplates view | 17:19 |
th1a | Link from the individual template edit view. | 17:19 |
th1a | Not from the table. | 17:19 |
th1a | So if you want to edit the template title you click on the template title | 17:19 |
th1a | get the template edit view, | 17:19 |
aelkner | you mean, put the pencil in the template manage view | 17:19 |
th1a | click on a pencil next to the title. | 17:19 |
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th1a | What's the manage password? | 17:44 |
aelkner | so we have the Deploy Report Sheet action link for the schoolyear or the term view | 17:44 |
replaceafill | manager:schooltool | 17:44 |
th1a | oh, that! | 17:45 |
aelkner | :) | 17:45 |
th1a | I had "manage" for some reason... | 17:45 |
th1a | OK, let's just work on this as if we're not going to move the gradebook stuff out of School. | 17:47 |
aelkner | well, deploying never was done in Manage tab | 17:47 |
th1a | Report Sheet Templates should go to Customize in the sidebar, esp. since they are independent of years. | 17:48 |
aelkner | your jumping around so i don't know what you mean | 17:49 |
aelkner | context? | 17:49 |
th1a | I'm saying, in the School view, RST should go in the sidebar under customize. | 17:49 |
aelkner | they never were dependent on years, so that's wy i didn't understand | 17:50 |
aelkner | ok, i'll move the link | 17:51 |
aelkner | so the There are n templates is not useful? | 17:51 |
aelkner | i have to say that i like the idea of moving it to Customize | 17:51 |
aelkner | th1a, so you won't miss the There are message? | 17:51 |
th1a | It is pretty minor. | 17:51 |
aelkner | so yes | 17:51 |
th1a | I won't miss. | 17:51 |
aelkner | good, now deploying | 17:51 |
aelkner | in the schoolyear view | 17:51 |
aelkner | hey, where is the schoolyears view? | 17:52 |
th1a | Ah, aelkner. | 17:52 |
aelkner | how does one add a schoolyear? | 17:52 |
th1a | Your brain does not like to let go of a familiar paradigm. | 17:52 |
th1a | Actually, adding a school year is a bug, as yvl mentioned earlier. | 17:53 |
th1a | But the School view is essentially a year view in the main content area. | 17:53 |
th1a | Except for the People part. | 17:53 |
th1a | Actually we should move grade levels into customize too. | 17:54 |
th1a | replaceafill: Want to do that right now? | 17:54 |
replaceafill | sure | 17:54 |
th1a | Also we're missing a few "for $YEAR" in our "there are no" messages there. | 17:54 |
th1a | Timetables, resources. | 17:55 |
th1a | OK, so anyhow aelkner, | 17:55 |
th1a | in the school content area we just need a report sheet link now. | 17:55 |
th1a | With "There are X report sheets deployed in $YEAR." | 17:55 |
th1a | Ah, and then the deploy form is pretty easy. | 17:56 |
aelkner | so wait | 17:56 |
aelkner | Report Sheet Templates is moved to Customize | 17:57 |
aelkner | then it's replaced by Deployed Report Sheets? | 17:57 |
aelkner | with the There are message? | 17:57 |
th1a | I would just call it Report Sheets. | 17:57 |
aelkner | ok | 17:57 |
aelkner | clicking on the link goes to what kind of view? | 17:57 |
aelkner | i guess a table of the deployed sheets | 17:58 |
th1a | And a form to deploy another. | 17:58 |
aelkner | table columns? | 17:58 |
th1a | The main difference is you have to be able to select year or term. | 17:58 |
th1a | Template and year/term. | 17:58 |
aelkner | well, year is already fixed at that point | 17:59 |
aelkner | so a table with Term subheadings? | 17:59 |
aelkner | then row for the deplyed sheets under each term subheading? | 17:59 |
aelkner | rows | 17:59 |
replaceafill | th1a http://69.164.203.135:6660/manage | 18:00 |
th1a | I'm over the term subheadings. | 18:00 |
replaceafill | any particular order for the Grade Levels option? | 18:00 |
aelkner | replaceafill, please wait | 18:01 |
th1a | aelkner: You just have to be able to choose the year corresponding to the tab the user was looking at under school or one of the constituent terms. | 18:01 |
replaceafill | sorry | 18:01 |
aelkner | np | 18:01 |
th1a | replaceafill, In the customize menu? I don't have a preference right now. | 18:01 |
aelkner | th1a, the Report Sheets link appears in the School view which has a year tab, right? | 18:02 |
th1a | Yes. | 18:02 |
aelkner | so clicking on it takes the ser to a view where the year is fixed, right? | 18:02 |
th1a | OK... well, let me see how we do it otherwise. | 18:02 |
th1a | I guess normally we switch to another tabbed view (e.g., courses). | 18:03 |
aelkner | ah, yes | 18:03 |
th1a | Whether we remember which year is tabbed when we do that all the time, I don't know. | 18:03 |
th1a | So keep that consistent. | 18:03 |
aelkner | clicking on it takes you to a deploy view with year tabs | 18:03 |
th1a | Well, yes, but think of it less as a deploy view. | 18:03 |
aelkner | and more as a...? | 18:04 |
th1a | Manage view. | 18:04 |
th1a | I mean, you should have a table there too, as we were saying. | 18:04 |
aelkner | right | 18:05 |
aelkner | but the year is fixed by the tab, so we don't need to worry about it in the table | 18:05 |
aelkner | but there are temrs | 18:05 |
aelkner | ah | 18:05 |
aelkner | so the the columns are Title, Term | 18:05 |
th1a | Should we just forget about full year deployment and make people do it by term. | 18:06 |
th1a | ? | 18:06 |
th1a | Sections are limited by term. | 18:07 |
th1a | I think we just did it that way because previously you'd literally have to navigate to multiple terms, which would suck. | 18:07 |
aelkner | wait, Title, Term wold not work | 18:07 |
aelkner | take the multi-term, multi-sheet scenario | 18:08 |
aelkner | how would the rows look? | 18:08 |
aelkner | that's why i suggested the subheading by term | 18:08 |
th1a | I guess the question is whether or not if you have a four term linked section and report sheet per term, do you end up with sixteen report sheets? | 18:08 |
th1a | You can have a column for each term with checks. | 18:08 |
th1a | Sheet | T1 | T2 | T3 | | 18:09 |
aelkner | yes, four terms four sheets per terms leads to sixteen rows | 18:09 |
aelkner | oh | 18:09 |
aelkner | one col per term | 18:09 |
aelkner | me likey | 18:09 |
aelkner | so one row per sheet, cols for the terms | 18:10 |
aelkner | checkmarks in the cells | 18:10 |
th1a | We just need to make sure that a report sheet deployed to a term only goes to the section that actually meets that term. | 18:10 |
th1a | Which it should anyhow, | 18:10 |
th1a | and then we don't get 16 sheets. | 18:10 |
aelkner | don't worry about that, that's fixed in the data model, not a flourish issue | 18:10 |
th1a | If it does, it is a data bug, yes. | 18:11 |
aelkner | but we do get 16 sheets | 18:11 |
aelkner | just not sixteen rows | 18:11 |
aelkner | four rows, four checkmarks per | 18:11 |
th1a | I dont' think we'll get sixteen sheets. | 18:11 |
aelkner | we're talking about the case where the manger wants to deploy four sheets to each of four terms, right? | 18:12 |
th1a | He doesn't WANT TO. | 18:12 |
th1a | I'm saying, what's the difference in deploying to the year vs. all the constituent terms? | 18:13 |
th1a | Since sections only meet in a specified term. | 18:13 |
th1a | I don't think we had any reason for year sheets other than convenience. | 18:13 |
th1a | Because you'd have to navigate to terms. | 18:13 |
th1a | You'd have to deploy each sheet three or four times. | 18:14 |
aelkner | you shold realize that in the old skin there were o year sheets | 18:14 |
th1a | Well, we can cross that bridge later. | 18:14 |
aelkner | only an ability to deploy to all terms of a year in one click | 18:15 |
aelkner | from the year context | 18:15 |
th1a | were "no" year sheets? | 18:15 |
aelkner | there is no such thing as a year sheet | 18:15 |
th1a | OK. | 18:15 |
aelkner | that's all i'm saying | 18:15 |
th1a | You were missing an "n" above. | 18:15 |
aelkner | ah | 18:15 |
th1a | OK, so yes, we can just forget about the concept of a year sheet entirely. | 18:16 |
th1a | Cleans up this view considerably. | 18:16 |
aelkner | so again, Title, T1, T2, T3, T4 | 18:16 |
aelkner | checkmarks | 18:16 |
th1a | That's the table. | 18:16 |
aelkner | now | 18:16 |
th1a | And then for the add form, checkboxes by term. | 18:16 |
th1a | The deploy form. | 18:16 |
aelkner | right | 18:17 |
th1a | Whether that actually works on the same page as the table, we'll see. | 18:17 |
aelkner | let's start from the Report Sheets view a second | 18:18 |
aelkner | simple table only view as just discussed | 18:18 |
aelkner | Actions linkset with Deploy Report Sheet link? | 18:18 |
th1a | That's probably what we'll end up with, yes. | 18:19 |
aelkner | ok, now, clicking on that link | 18:19 |
aelkner | a form with: | 18:19 |
aelkner | a dropdown for selecting the template | 18:19 |
aelkner | after which, a table (ul?) of checkboxes by term | 18:20 |
aelkner | a select all checkbox? | 18:20 |
aelkner | Deploy and Cancel buttons | 18:20 |
aelkner | how does that sound? | 18:20 |
aelkner | simple, no? | 18:20 |
th1a | Just arrange the checkboxes according to the guidelines. | 18:20 |
th1a | I don't think you need a select all. | 18:21 |
aelkner | ok, even simpler | 18:21 |
th1a | And I'd just use "Submit." | 18:21 |
th1a | And Cancel. | 18:21 |
aelkner | right Submit for consistency | 18:21 |
* th1a is starving. | 18:23 | |
aelkner | i'm going to be running around a lot today preparing for the hurricane | 18:23 |
aelkner | i'm thinking i need to buy some batterry operated lanterns | 18:24 |
th1a | I have a thing I can use to plug things into a car battery. | 18:24 |
th1a | Which I bought several years ago as part of a particularly hare-brained scheme. | 18:24 |
aelkner | smart move | 18:25 |
th1a | But now makes me sound really prepared. | 18:25 |
aelkner | i wish i bought a UPS although they don't last that long, do they? | 18:25 |
th1a | No. | 18:25 |
th1a | Also the batteries wear out after a few years and are expensive. | 18:25 |
th1a | I actually have a couple. It is nice because the iMac is on the same circuit as a bunch of kitchen stuff we trip the breaker on periodically. | 18:26 |
th1a | So if I turn on the toaster and microwave at the same time the iMac doesn't get a hard crash. | 18:26 |
aelkner | i don't follow | 18:27 |
th1a | I'm just saying, a UPS is nice if your power goes out frequently for a few minutes at a time. | 18:28 |
th1a | Like if you trip the breaker the computer is on. | 18:28 |
th1a | But not for working in a hurricane. | 18:29 |
aelkner | ah | 18:29 |
th1a | And the iMac is on an overburdened circuit in my house. | 18:29 |
th1a | OK. | 18:29 |
aelkner | btw, the car battery solution only helps in the aftermath | 18:30 |
aelkner | unless you can pull your car into the house :) | 18:30 |
th1a | You can take the battery out! | 18:30 |
th1a | Anyhow, as I said, I really bought it for an earlier hare-brained scheme. | 18:30 |
th1a | OK, I'm going to eat lunch. | 18:30 |
th1a | replaceafill, catch you in 30. | 18:30 |
aelkner | i'm set for a while now | 18:30 |
replaceafill | th1a kk | 18:31 |
aelkner | lots of things to do | 18:31 |
aelkner | th1a, hope to see you monday | 18:31 |
th1a | replaceafill, sent you some notes. | 18:31 |
th1a | aelkner: I hope to see you too. ;-) | 18:32 |
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replaceafill | th1a give me a minute to push these small changes i've made | 19:03 |
th1a | kk | 19:05 |
replaceafill | th1a we need a less scary message for the Delete option in http://69.164.203.135:6660/scoresystems/extended-letter-grade | 19:14 |
th1a | First, change the Action to "Hide" | 19:14 |
replaceafill | ah ok | 19:14 |
replaceafill | done, refresh | 19:16 |
th1a | Message. Hiding this score system will make it unavailable for future use but will retain existing scores. This cannot currently be undone, but a new version of the same score system can be created. | 19:16 |
replaceafill | nice :) | 19:16 |
replaceafill | done | 19:18 |
th1a | Move the commentary in add score system to the sidebar. | 19:19 |
replaceafill | ok | 19:19 |
th1a | Did we add something to the main view when we were testing this out too? | 19:20 |
th1a | Or am I thinking of something else? | 19:20 |
replaceafill | no, we did, the one your daughter helped you write | 19:21 |
replaceafill | i just took that diff out | 19:21 |
replaceafill | i'm putting it back right now | 19:21 |
th1a | kk | 19:22 |
replaceafill | two questions about the right sidebar: | 19:25 |
replaceafill | let me get a page... | 19:25 |
replaceafill | http://69.164.203.135:6660/demographics | 19:26 |
replaceafill | for example | 19:26 |
replaceafill | that page doesn't use that space (right) | 19:26 |
replaceafill | are we going to show the sidebar space as white? | 19:27 |
replaceafill | like we do when the left sidebar is not used? | 19:27 |
th1a | I don't konw that we need to. | 19:27 |
th1a | I don't have a strong opinion. | 19:27 |
replaceafill | and 2nd question | 19:27 |
replaceafill | do you want the same gap between the content and right sidebar? | 19:27 |
th1a | Again, I don't really know offhand. | 19:28 |
replaceafill | ok, i'll put the gap for starters | 19:28 |
replaceafill | and we start from there | 19:28 |
th1a | I'll let you know if I hate it. | 19:28 |
replaceafill | same space/color logic as the left sidebar | 19:28 |
replaceafill | kk | 19:29 |
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replaceafill | th1a check page 10 of the guidelines | 19:30 |
replaceafill | the right space there is wider than our 144px | 19:30 |
* replaceafill wonders where is the rest :D | 19:30 | |
replaceafill | ah yes, the gap! | 19:30 |
replaceafill | the guidelines don't have gap | 19:31 |
replaceafill | anyway, i'll finish putting it | 19:31 |
replaceafill | th1a http://69.164.203.135:6660/scoresystems | 19:39 |
replaceafill | and http://69.164.203.135:6660/demographics | 19:40 |
th1a | sorry... | 19:45 |
th1a | a bit distracted. | 19:45 |
replaceafill | np | 19:45 |
th1a | Is there some reason to think something is going on this demographics page? | 19:46 |
th1a | I couldn't think of anything particularly useful to say here. | 19:46 |
replaceafill | no, i used as an example of a page with no right sidebar | 19:47 |
th1a | I guess you think I need to. ;-) | 19:47 |
replaceafill | i'm trying to remove the remaining space | 19:47 |
th1a | I'm perfectly ok with leaving the gray space over there. | 19:47 |
replaceafill | ah ok | 19:47 |
replaceafill | really? | 19:47 |
replaceafill | ok | 19:47 |
th1a | It was ok before. | 19:47 |
replaceafill | i hate it! | 19:47 |
replaceafill | :D | 19:47 |
th1a | Did you always hate it? | 19:48 |
replaceafill | but i can work on it later | 19:48 |
th1a | Yes. | 19:48 |
replaceafill | i hate it when it appears on the left | 19:48 |
replaceafill | some timetables views show it | 19:48 |
replaceafill | >:( | 19:48 |
replaceafill | anyway | 19:48 |
replaceafill | we have the sidebar | 19:48 |
replaceafill | with gap | 19:48 |
replaceafill | here's a form | 19:48 |
replaceafill | http://69.164.203.135:6660/demographics/addText.html | 19:48 |
replaceafill | starts to look like old schooltool ;) | 19:49 |
replaceafill | (kidding) | 19:49 |
th1a | I don't even know what we are talking about replaceafill. | 19:50 |
th1a | As far as I'm concerned, | 19:51 |
th1a | Pages without a right sidebar can look the way they did before. | 19:51 |
replaceafill | +1 | 19:51 |
th1a | OK then. | 19:51 |
replaceafill | css will need some work to get it | 19:51 |
replaceafill | but yes, i like that too | 19:51 |
th1a | OK fine. | 19:51 |
replaceafill | ok, moving to your notes? | 19:52 |
th1a | Let's do add score system. | 19:52 |
replaceafill | ah ok | 19:52 |
replaceafill | should i move all the text? | 19:54 |
th1a | Move it first. | 19:54 |
th1a | I kinda need to get a sense of the space. | 19:55 |
replaceafill | ok | 19:55 |
replaceafill | http://69.164.203.135:6660/schooltool.requirement.scoresystem_container/add.html | 19:57 |
th1a | You can jump to the notes while I ponder this. | 19:57 |
replaceafill | just let me fix the score table first | 19:58 |
th1a | Just take out the second paragraph. | 19:58 |
replaceafill | gone | 19:59 |
th1a | I think the rest is necessary. | 20:01 |
th1a | In the next version, these'll end with links to the book. | 20:02 |
replaceafill | i'll adjust the table widths later | 20:05 |
replaceafill | i mean the cells | 20:05 |
th1a | kk | 20:06 |
th1a | Do you want to do the notes next? | 20:06 |
replaceafill | yes, im adding the email one | 20:06 |
replaceafill | http://69.164.203.135:6660/email | 20:09 |
th1a | Looks good to me. | 20:09 |
replaceafill | should we put the second paragraph in the settings view? | 20:09 |
th1a | I don't think so. | 20:10 |
replaceafill | ah ok | 20:10 |
th1a | It is kind of what you need before you go there. | 20:10 |
replaceafill | yes, it looks good | 20:10 |
replaceafill | yes | 20:10 |
replaceafill | next, resource demos | 20:10 |
replaceafill | http://69.164.203.135:6660/resource_demographics | 20:13 |
th1a | OK. | 20:13 |
replaceafill | http://69.164.203.135:6660/gradebook/templates | 20:17 |
th1a | You know, you can take out that second sentence. | 20:20 |
th1a | Also, change "creating" to "to create" | 20:20 |
replaceafill | but "creating" is in the second sentence | 20:21 |
replaceafill | and we're taking it out? | 20:21 |
th1a | It is in the third sentence. | 20:21 |
th1a | Second paragraph. | 20:21 |
replaceafill | oops | 20:21 |
replaceafill | right | 20:21 |
th1a | np | 20:21 |
th1a | Intercontinental editing is always a little tricky. | 20:22 |
replaceafill | :D | 20:22 |
replaceafill | http://69.164.203.135:6660/gradebook/templates | 20:22 |
replaceafill | ok, timetables | 20:23 |
replaceafill | http://69.164.203.135:6660/timetables | 20:29 |
replaceafill | i think in those cases the third-nav will adjust to the content area, right? | 20:29 |
th1a | Oh... I guess it'll have to. | 20:29 |
replaceafill | kk, will put it in the TODO | 20:30 |
replaceafill | yikes! http://69.164.203.135:6660/schoolyears/2011/timetables/add.html | 20:30 |
th1a | Yeah. | 20:31 |
th1a | Actually, let's leave that for now. | 20:31 |
th1a | We wouldn't usually call that "A new timetable..." | 20:31 |
th1a | What would we use? | 20:32 |
th1a | Just Timetable Information, I guess. | 20:33 |
replaceafill | ah sorry, i was changing the exceptions days | 20:33 |
th1a | Also I don't know what is up with the formatting in that form. | 20:33 |
replaceafill | i think it's hand-written | 20:34 |
replaceafill | we just have to adjust it a little | 20:34 |
th1a | In pencil? | 20:34 |
replaceafill | ah, i though you meant the new time table fist step | 20:35 |
replaceafill | yes, exceptions days is also hand written | 20:35 |
replaceafill | i think " Please enter the date when the periods need to be changed below. " | 20:35 |
th1a | Add this to the comment in the timetables index: | 20:35 |
th1a | "When you create a new timetable you will be asked a sequence of questions about your school's schedule." | 20:35 |
replaceafill | should be the hint of the field | 20:35 |
replaceafill | ah ok | 20:35 |
replaceafill | added http://69.164.203.135:6660/timetables | 20:36 |
replaceafill | th1a http://69.164.203.135:6660/schoolyears/2011/timetables/Timetable/special.html | 20:47 |
replaceafill | i think we should remove the 'please enter the' in the hint | 20:47 |
th1a | y | 20:48 |
replaceafill | hhmm | 20:48 |
replaceafill | can you write a better hint? | 20:48 |
th1a | Also change to "...change start and end times or cancel periods on a certain date." | 20:48 |
th1a | ANd "This form" to "Exception days..." | 20:48 |
th1a | allow | 20:49 |
replaceafill | refresh | 20:50 |
replaceafill | i still don't like the hint :/ | 20:51 |
replaceafill | Date in the field title and Date in the hint | 20:51 |
replaceafill | yeah right, /me being picky about english... | 20:51 |
th1a | No... you're right. | 20:51 |
th1a | I didn't really look at ti. | 20:52 |
th1a | it | 20:52 |
th1a | Just take the hint out. | 20:52 |
replaceafill | ok | 20:52 |
replaceafill | gone | 20:54 |
th1a | Sometimes I don't know if you're waiting for me or I'm waiting for you. | 20:59 |
replaceafill | i'm adjusting the score system table widths | 21:00 |
th1a | Just checking. ;-) | 21:00 |
replaceafill | i dont understand the last help note: | 21:00 |
replaceafill | imports need to be cleaned up but probably should continue to use the main content area. | 21:00 |
th1a | Oh, that's a general note. | 21:02 |
th1a | The CSV imports have to illustrate the format, | 21:02 |
th1a | so jamming them into a little column would probably not help. | 21:02 |
replaceafill | ah | 21:03 |
replaceafill | right | 21:03 |
replaceafill | ok, what's next? | 21:03 |
th1a | Let's start over. :-D | 21:04 |
th1a | I think everything under server is ok. | 21:04 |
replaceafill | i need to fix the pack dialog | 21:04 |
th1a | Actually, wtf is a translation domain anyhow? | 21:04 |
th1a | :-D | 21:05 |
replaceafill | :D | 21:05 |
replaceafill | you can add .po files and make the server to use them on the fly i think | 21:05 |
replaceafill | that's the Reload part | 21:05 |
th1a | You can only reload them here though. Do you add them using ZCML? | 21:06 |
replaceafill | no, in the locales directory | 21:06 |
replaceafill | i just wonder why the schooltool namespace is not shown | 21:06 |
replaceafill | just zope.app | 21:07 |
th1a | I'll send menesis an email. | 21:07 |
replaceafill | k | 21:07 |
th1a | moving on... | 21:09 |
replaceafill | ok | 21:09 |
th1a | OK, generations. | 21:10 |
th1a | Database generations update the structure of your database to be compatible with new versions of SchoolTool." | 21:10 |
replaceafill | refresh | 21:14 |
replaceafill | http://69.164.203.135:6660/control/generations.html | 21:14 |
th1a | I think that's about it for /server | 21:15 |
th1a | Any last /server concerns? | 21:15 |
replaceafill | no, i'll add this to "what is this" in the pack view | 21:16 |
th1a | OK> | 21:16 |
th1a | . | 21:16 |
th1a | Grade Levels: | 21:16 |
replaceafill | SchoolTool's database file should be periodically "packed" to reduce its filesize. | 21:16 |
replaceafill | Packing removes old transactions from the database. It can take a long time on a large database, so packing should be done in off-peak times. | 21:16 |
replaceafill | Before packing, a backup file will be saved as Data.fs.old | 21:16 |
replaceafill | ok /levels | 21:17 |
th1a | Grade levels are the traditional means of tracking student progress across years and the progression of curriculum. | 21:17 |
th1a | Sound good? | 21:18 |
th1a | I was just thinking it would be helpful if Marcela was a teacher instead of a lawyer. | 21:18 |
replaceafill | http://69.164.203.135:6660/levels | 21:19 |
replaceafill | :)))) | 21:19 |
th1a | I think that gets across that they aren't anything weird in SchoolTool. | 21:20 |
replaceafill | progress and progression? | 21:20 |
th1a | OH... | 21:21 |
th1a | sequence of curriculum. | 21:21 |
replaceafill | refresh | 21:22 |
th1a | I think that's ok. | 21:22 |
th1a | I guess I'm adding more of these than I originally planned, but I'm feeling ok about it clutter-wise. | 21:23 |
replaceafill | yeah, as long as we don't put one in the gradebook ;) | 21:23 |
th1a | Exactly. | 21:23 |
th1a | /terms | 21:24 |
th1a | A term is a unit of time that defines the beginning and end of sections on the calendar. For example, a semester or trimester. | 21:24 |
th1a | I'm pulling as many of these from the book and glossary as I can. | 21:24 |
replaceafill | refresh http://69.164.203.135:6660/terms | 21:27 |
replaceafill | why do /terms doesn't use a third-nav? | 21:27 |
th1a | Because that was the first one we did. | 21:28 |
th1a | We should change it. | 21:28 |
replaceafill | ah | 21:28 |
th1a | I guess we might as well do courses and sections while we're at it. | 21:30 |
replaceafill | kk | 21:30 |
th1a | It isn't like nobody has been confused by them before. | 21:30 |
th1a | A course in SchoolTool describes a the curriculum taught in a section. | 21:31 |
th1a | For example, Algebra I, American History, 3rd Grade Reading, and Biology I are all courses. | 21:32 |
th1a | YOu could make that Advanced Physics instead of Biology I. | 21:32 |
replaceafill | http://69.164.203.135:6660/courses | 21:34 |
th1a | A section is a set of one or more learners and instructors who meet during a term to achieve the curricular goals of a course.. | 21:34 |
replaceafill | "describes a the"! | 21:34 |
th1a | The third paragraph there was meant to modify the second. | 21:34 |
th1a | As instruction to you to modify the second. ;-) | 21:34 |
replaceafill | oops | 21:34 |
replaceafill | :D | 21:34 |
th1a | You don't need the extra a. | 21:35 |
replaceafill | check | 21:35 |
replaceafill | moving to /sections | 21:36 |
th1a | /resources -- "These are locations or objects within a school. SchoolTool’s calendar can function as a reservation and tracking system for resources." | 21:37 |
replaceafill | http://69.164.203.135:6660/sections | 21:37 |
th1a | We should add hints for add section. | 21:40 |
replaceafill | http://69.164.203.135:6660/resources | 21:40 |
th1a | Well... | 21:42 |
th1a | How do you think we should handle noting that you need to make courses and terms before sections. | 21:42 |
th1a | We could do it as a hint. | 21:42 |
th1a | Put it in the sidebar. | 21:42 |
th1a | Or have the application detect it dynamically. | 21:42 |
th1a | Which is probably best. | 21:42 |
replaceafill | so the sections link should only appear if there are courses and terms defined in that year | 21:43 |
replaceafill | that is in /manage | 21:43 |
th1a | Well... | 21:44 |
th1a | I guess they can't exist otherwise. | 21:44 |
replaceafill | right, you get validation errors in the add view | 21:44 |
replaceafill | th1a i need to go buy lunch | 21:47 |
th1a | kk | 21:48 |
replaceafill | keep the notes coming, i'll work on them when i get back | 21:48 |
th1a | kk | 21:48 |
th1a | Move Contacts above groups on School | 21:50 |
th1a | /contacts: "A student may have one or more “contacts,” people who may need to recieve notifications and information about the student or the school as a whole. A user may also be a contact for him or herself (particularly in the case of older students and adults)." | 21:51 |
th1a | Put Add: School Year in the sidebar of School | 21:53 |
th1a | Also, Absences by year need to show up as a report for a year. | 21:54 |
th1a | You can just move the import xls stuff over, removing the third paragraph. | 21:59 |
th1a | worksheets: | 22:01 |
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th1a | Use worksheets in your gradebook the same way you do in a spreadsheet, to organize large numbers of activities. You can link columns from one worksheet to another. | 22:03 |
th1a | Then move over the summary explanation. | 22:04 |
th1a | Move over the category weighting explanation. | 22:04 |
th1a | Add to it: | 22:05 |
th1a | The list of categories can be customized by your school by your system adminstrator. | 22:05 |
th1a | The list of categories can be customized FOR your school by your system adminstrator. | 22:05 |
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replaceafill | contacts moved above groups | 22:36 |
replaceafill | put contacts sidebar http://69.164.203.135:6660/contacts | 22:41 |
th1a | I guess take out the parentheses and just use a comma in the second sentence. | 22:42 |
replaceafill | done | 22:43 |
th1a | You might as well make that two paragraphs, then... DONE. | 22:45 |
th1a | Actually, there is not done, is there? | 22:45 |
replaceafill | no | 22:46 |
replaceafill | th1a http://69.164.203.135:6660/manage | 22:51 |
replaceafill | any order for the sidebar groups? | 22:51 |
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th1a | add first | 22:52 |
replaceafill | done | 22:55 |
replaceafill | going back to the contacts sidebar | 22:55 |
replaceafill | made it two paragraphs | 22:56 |
replaceafill | th1a "Also, Absences by year need to show up as a report for a year."? | 23:00 |
replaceafill | you meant absences by day? | 23:00 |
th1a | It is a year report. | 23:00 |
replaceafill | http://69.164.203.135:6660/schoolyears/2011 | 23:01 |
th1a | yes. | 23:01 |
th1a | Never mind. ;-) | 23:01 |
replaceafill | "You can just move the import xls stuff over, removing the third paragraph."? | 23:02 |
th1a | As we did for practice. | 23:02 |
replaceafill | ah ok | 23:02 |
replaceafill | "for practice" lol | 23:02 |
replaceafill | th1a http://69.164.203.135:6660/import.html | 23:15 |
replaceafill | adding sidebar to worksheets | 23:16 |
replaceafill | wtf?!?!?!? | 23:17 |
replaceafill | <flourish:viewlet | 23:17 |
replaceafill | name="../.." | 23:17 |
replaceafill | i think aelkner is giving me the finger in code! | 23:17 |
th1a | lol | 23:18 |
th1a | aelkner is not that emoticon-savvy. | 23:22 |
replaceafill | :)) | 23:22 |
th1a | :| | 23:23 |
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th1a | I'm afraid I'm going to have to go to Bob and Timmy's soon. | 23:23 |
th1a | I'll leave report sheets and interventions for Monday. | 23:23 |
replaceafill | que envidia!!!! | 23:24 |
replaceafill | bob and timmy's :P | 23:24 |
replaceafill | just give me a minute i want you to check worksheets before you go | 23:24 |
th1a | kk | 23:25 |
replaceafill | http://69.164.203.135:6660/schoolyears/2008-2009/2008-fall/sections/science_a_2008-fall_teacher001_000/activities/ | 23:27 |
replaceafill | teacher001:teacher001 | 23:27 |
th1a | looks good. | 23:28 |
replaceafill | kk | 23:28 |
replaceafill | will keep going through the rest | 23:28 |
th1a | OK. Thanks replaceafill. | 23:29 |
replaceafill | thanks th1a | 23:29 |
replaceafill | see you monday | 23:29 |
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th1a | Later. | 23:30 |
replaceafill | cya | 23:30 |
replaceafill | finished the weights view: http://69.164.203.135:6660/schoolyears/2008-2009/2008-fall/sections/science_a_2008-fall_teacher001_000/activities/Worksheet/weights.html | 23:48 |
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