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| th1a | hi menesis, yvl. | 15:30 |
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| yvl | hi th1a | 15:36 |
| th1a | Did you look at the Karmic issues? | 15:36 |
| yvl | first of all, thanks for the descriptions :) | 15:36 |
| yvl | yes | 15:36 |
| yvl | so... the plan is to release SchoolTool on old Zope | 15:37 |
| yvl | 3.4 | 15:37 |
| yvl | some required packages will have to be lower version than the released Zope Toolkit | 15:37 |
| yvl | and people who install schooltool will not be able to install full Zope Toolkit via apt-get | 15:38 |
| yvl | but we can live with that in my opinion | 15:38 |
| th1a | This is on Karmic? | 15:38 |
| yvl | yes | 15:38 |
| th1a | Or earlier? | 15:38 |
| th1a | Both? | 15:38 |
| yvl | we'll be doing only Karmic release | 15:38 |
| th1a | How long do you think it will take to switch to the Zope Toolkit packages? | 15:39 |
| yvl | a very good question | 15:39 |
| yvl | I guess - Lucid | 15:39 |
| yvl | current ZTK package versions is a mess | 15:39 |
| th1a | The packages are a mess? | 15:40 |
| yvl | I doubt that Karmic ZTK was intendet to any real use | 15:40 |
| yvl | no, just their version numbers | 15:40 |
| yvl | their "known good set" is some trunk version a month ago or so | 15:40 |
| menesis | ZTK 1.0 contents are not yet defined | 15:40 |
| yvl | ah, that was supposed to be my next sentence | 15:41 |
| menesis | and only a few of them are packaged for debian/karmic yet | 15:41 |
| th1a | Well, it definitely isn't complete. | 15:41 |
| yvl | so, we'll start depending on ZTK once 1.0 is defined and released | 15:41 |
| yvl | we'll also have to start agenda on getting other packages we need to Debian | 15:42 |
| th1a | You should write an email to Brian Sutherland about it. | 15:42 |
| yvl | I will | 15:42 |
| yvl | after Karmic release, if it's ok | 15:42 |
| th1a | Yes. | 15:42 |
| th1a | OK then, | 15:42 |
| th1a | So what will the install procedure be for SchoolTool on Karmic? | 15:42 |
| th1a | Extra steps? | 15:42 |
| yvl | thinking... | 15:43 |
| yvl | maybe switch PPA | 15:43 |
| th1a | Do we have to pin Zope package versions? | 15:43 |
| yvl | I guess that's it | 15:43 |
| th1a | Do their packages have th same name? | 15:43 |
| menesis | I would like to have another PPA | 15:43 |
| th1a | As ours? | 15:43 |
| yvl | yes, they do | 15:43 |
| yvl | at least few of them | 15:44 |
| yvl | that's why users won't be able to have both "experimental" ZTK and SchoolTool | 15:44 |
| yvl | installed via apt-get | 15:44 |
| yvl | it shouldn't be a big mess | 15:45 |
| yvl | to pin them, I mean | 15:45 |
| yvl | but that's for menesis to say :) | 15:45 |
| menesis | I will add Depends < 3.5 on some packages and APT should be able to pick the package from our PPA | 15:46 |
| menesis | instead of karmic archive | 15:46 |
| th1a | Oh, you can state the dependency has to be LESS THAN as well as MORE THAN. | 15:46 |
| yvl | thankfully :) | 15:47 |
| yvl | there's roughly a hundred packages we use, and some twenty released as ZTK | 15:47 |
| th1a | Indeed. | 15:47 |
| yvl | a subset of those clash | 15:47 |
| th1a | Yeah. | 15:48 |
| yvl | so the plan is to get the list of our dependencies | 15:48 |
| th1a | Well, I'm afraid getting these packages sorted is going to be your main task the rest of the year. | 15:48 |
| yvl | then start uploading the big bunch of our zope packages to PPA | 15:48 |
| yvl | I can see why ;) | 15:49 |
| yvl | and along the way, we'll need to move to some newer Zope | 15:50 |
| yvl | port SchoolTool | 15:50 |
| th1a | Yes, that's probably the first step. | 15:50 |
| yvl | it would be nice to know the KGS of ZTK 1.0 | 15:50 |
| yvl | but that's under discussion now, as I understand | 15:50 |
| th1a | You're going to have to become a player in Zope politics. ;-) | 15:50 |
| yvl | you gotta do what you gotta do, right? :) | 15:51 |
| th1a | I'll back you up. | 15:51 |
| yvl | thanks! | 15:51 |
| th1a | So what does the timeframe look like now for Karmic packages? | 15:51 |
| yvl | so, in my so very subjective opinion, we have a slim chance to get the release by 29th | 15:52 |
| yvl | more realistically, middle of next week | 15:52 |
| th1a | I think next week is better. | 15:52 |
| menesis | th1a: please create a new PPA for schooltool-owners, named "1.2" | 15:52 |
| th1a | I'll take responsibility for the lateness. | 15:52 |
| yvl | my sincere apologies that you have to | 15:53 |
| menesis | not sure yet if I end up using it, but I can't create that myself | 15:53 |
| th1a | ignas didn't teach you how to say "no" to me sternly enough. | 15:53 |
| menesis | we can release the source this week, but deb packages won't be ready I guess | 15:53 |
| th1a | Yes, let's absolutely freeze code on Thursday. | 15:54 |
| yvl | hmm | 15:54 |
| menesis | it depends not only on me, but also on the load on launchpad servers | 15:54 |
| yvl | I kind of wanted to do some changes along the way | 15:54 |
| yvl | and not freeze code until the last moment | 15:54 |
| yvl | I know - it's a terrible practice | 15:55 |
| yvl | won't do that again :) | 15:55 |
| yvl | but first we need to push the zope packages | 15:55 |
| yvl | that should eat a significant amount of time | 15:55 |
| yvl | we can change/tweak schooltool at the same time | 15:55 |
| th1a | Can we aim for Tuesday? | 15:55 |
| yvl | a moment... | 15:56 |
| yvl | I chatted with menesis off-line a bit | 15:58 |
| yvl | sounds reasonable | 15:58 |
| yvl | we can run into some unexpected things though | 15:59 |
| th1a | Sure. | 15:59 |
| th1a | OK. Sounds like a plan. | 15:59 |
| yvl | yes | 15:59 |
| yvl | We'll keep you posted on... bi-daily basis. | 16:00 |
| yvl | I mean, at least every other day | 16:00 |
| yvl | I mean, this Thu, when progress is clearer :) | 16:01 |
| yvl | my english goes on vacation by the end of the day, as always... | 16:01 |
| th1a | OK. Sounds good. | 16:02 |
| th1a | Is there a word for bi-daily in Lithuanian? | 16:02 |
| yvl | just a common expression, "kas antrą", literally - "every other" | 16:03 |
| yvl | and a word "poryt" - "the day after tomorrow" | 16:03 |
| yvl | I guess subconsciously I wanted to use the latter | 16:03 |
| th1a | Always interesting to not what words don't exist in English. | 16:03 |
| th1a | Because, you know, we have a lot of words. | 16:04 |
| yvl | not for snow ;) | 16:04 |
| yvl | but English is quite fascinating by it's efficiency | 16:05 |
| yvl | ok, thanks th1a | 16:06 |
| th1a | Thanks yvl, menesis! | 16:06 |
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| th1a | menesis: I created the PPA - https://edge.launchpad.net/~schooltool-owners/+archive/1.2 | 17:55 |
| menesis | th1a: thank you | 17:56 |
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| th1a | menesis: bzr branch lp:schooltool/2009.04 doesn't seem to work anymore. | 18:05 |
| menesis | th1a: why do you need that branch? | 18:10 |
| menesis | th1a: I have renamed the series to 1.0 | 18:10 |
| th1a | OK. | 18:10 |
| menesis | it is now lp:schooltool/1.0 | 18:10 |
| menesis | and is a different branch | 18:10 |
| th1a | Whatever works. | 18:10 |
| menesis | that contains all the same releases but renamed to 1.0.x | 18:11 |
| menesis | but, why do you need that branch? | 18:12 |
| th1a | I'm just trying to build a sandbox. | 18:13 |
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| mattva01 | hey everyone, its that time of year again, I'm going to be supporting a schooltool instance for jeff that will be running gradebook along the rest of it. What is the preferred install method for this usecase? | 20:55 |
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| th1a | mattva01: Hm... well, for Jeff, you might want a development checkout. | 21:56 |
| th1a | Otherwise, I'd say use the CanDo deb package. | 21:56 |
| mattva01 | th1a : thanks | 21:56 |
| th1a | Inevitably, Jeff will want some unreleased changes ASAP. | 21:57 |
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| replaceafill | jelkner, ping | 22:56 |
| jelkner | replaceafill: pong | 22:56 |
| jelkner | after much discussion | 22:56 |
| jelkner | it was decided that i should run my on st server | 22:57 |
| replaceafill | :O | 22:57 |
| jelkner | mattva01 will be admining | 22:57 |
| jelkner | you can have any access you need | 22:57 |
| replaceafill | ok | 22:57 |
| jelkner | can you tell matt how you want it setup? | 22:57 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, will you need custom stuff? | 22:58 |
| replaceafill | or just the regular gradebook functionality? | 22:58 |
| jelkner | no man | 22:58 |
| jelkner | cando + gradebook | 22:58 |
| jelkner | how can we use external activities otherwise? | 22:58 |
| replaceafill | hhmm | 22:59 |
| jelkner | since there will only be two teacher's using it | 22:59 |
| jelkner | dr. kennedy and myself | 22:59 |
| jelkner | it doesn't matter if the css is a little ugly | 22:59 |
| jelkner | as long as it works | 22:59 |
| jelkner | we can use it while it is being fixed | 23:00 |
| replaceafill | oh well, in that case you could go with the regular cando deb package | 23:00 |
| jelkner | we need to start the new quarter with a gradebook | 23:00 |
| mattva01 | replaceafill:the deb includes the gradebook now? | 23:00 |
| replaceafill | although let me try it, ok? | 23:00 |
| replaceafill | mattva01, the check out allows you to integrate the gradebook | 23:01 |
| replaceafill | i dont use deb packages that much, so im testing it right now | 23:01 |
| jelkner | is the deb package the right way to go if we are going to be changing things? | 23:02 |
| jelkner | fixing stuff, i mean | 23:02 |
| replaceafill | if u want bleeding egde, and i know you do ;), then no | 23:03 |
| replaceafill | :) | 23:03 |
| jelkner | lol, yes i do | 23:03 |
| replaceafill | we should use a check out then | 23:03 |
| jelkner | so let's do the right way (the way that cuts us ;-) | 23:03 |
| jelkner | no pain, no gain | 23:03 |
| replaceafill | :D | 23:03 |
| replaceafill | then we should use check out for cando and check out for the schooltool.gradebook | 23:04 |
| jelkner | ok, that's what we wanted to know | 23:05 |
| replaceafill | mattva01, the latest cando checkout uses the schooltool.gradebook-0.4.10dev_r76 egg | 23:05 |
| mattva01 | I think that will work | 23:06 |
| replaceafill | im not sure how much the schooltool.gradebook has evolved | 23:06 |
| jelkner | i'm installed karmic server on the machine | 23:06 |
| jelkner | amd64 ok? | 23:06 |
| replaceafill | but be aware that you could face a little problem | 23:06 |
| replaceafill | with a gradebook evolution script | 23:06 |
| jelkner | what is the danger? | 23:07 |
| jelkner | i don't have any gradebook data | 23:07 |
| jelkner | only cando data | 23:07 |
| replaceafill | cando wont start | 23:07 |
| jelkner | that's *bad* | 23:07 |
| replaceafill | if u integrate the gradebook and the evolution script is still wrong | 23:07 |
| jelkner | ahh | 23:07 |
| replaceafill | i remember aelkner fixed | 23:07 |
| jelkner | ok, well, we check | 23:08 |
| jelkner | and fix if it's not | 23:08 |
| replaceafill | but i remember having the same problem with a new gradebook check out | 23:08 |
| replaceafill | yes, the fix is really simple | 23:08 |
| jelkner | cool | 23:08 |
| replaceafill | if it happens, we should tell aelkner about it | 23:08 |
| jelkner | and you'll have total access to our instance | 23:08 |
| jelkner | ok | 23:08 |
| jelkner | the goal is to get this running by Sunday | 23:08 |
| replaceafill | about karmic i'm not sure | 23:09 |
| jelkner | what do you mean? | 23:09 |
| jelkner | st is aimed at karmic | 23:09 |
| replaceafill | i've heard menesis talking about some problems with karmic and the zope packages | 23:09 |
| jelkner | i don't understand | 23:10 |
| mattva01 | then what is current ST targeted to? | 23:10 |
| jelkner | i thought ST is targeted at karmic | 23:10 |
| jelkner | what do you want us to run? | 23:10 |
| replaceafill | debian! | 23:11 |
| replaceafill | oops :D | 23:11 |
| replaceafill | im sure about jaunty | 23:11 |
| replaceafill | i havent tested karmic yet | 23:11 |
| jelkner | so, we should ask th1a | 23:12 |
| replaceafill | yes | 23:12 |
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| menesis | jelkner: replaceafill: schooltool is still only packaged for jaunty | 23:35 |
| menesis | it is my immediate priority to create schooltool (and all the dependencies, including zope) packages for karmic | 23:36 |
| menesis | expected date: next Tuesday, November 3. | 23:37 |
| replaceafill | menesis, thanks | 23:37 |
| replaceafill | menesis, can we use a check out in karmic? | 23:37 |
| replaceafill | i mean, using eggs | 23:37 |
| menesis | jaunty packages don't work on karmic as is | 23:38 |
| menesis | replaceafill: yes, if you know how to run schooltool from buildout, you have an isolated environment that is exactly the same as you have on jaunty | 23:39 |
| menesis | well, except for minor python2.5 version change | 23:39 |
| menesis | so you can upgrade your development box to karmic | 23:40 |
| replaceafill | menesis, cool, we're going with a cando check out and a schooltool.gradebook check out | 23:40 |
| menesis | but I strongly advise you NOT to upgrade a server running schooltool packages to karmic | 23:41 |
| menesis | that won't work, confirmed | 23:41 |
| replaceafill | understood | 23:41 |
| menesis | will report a critical bug now | 23:43 |
| menesis | to make it visible for everyone looking at http://launchpad.net/schooltool-project | 23:44 |
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| menesis | unfortunately, launchpad.net is down | 23:54 |
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