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| th1a | ignas: Did you see the bug reported last night on Jaunty installation? | 15:52 |
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| ignas | th1a: yes, though menesis is still not here, and he has the jaunty system | 15:52 |
| th1a | OK. Not surprising that there would be some Jaunty bugs to work out. | 15:53 |
| th1a | Seemed to update ok for me. | 15:53 |
| ignas | i have not released jaunty packages at all | 15:57 |
| ignas | so it's kind of interesting how he installed them | 15:57 |
| ignas | maybe menesis uploaded part of them | 15:57 |
| th1a | Yeah... I didn't think they were ready. | 16:00 |
| th1a | ignas: Did you see the export bug? | 16:07 |
| ignas | which one? | 16:07 |
| th1a | It was added yesterday -- a crash on export after the update. | 16:08 |
| th1a | I guess I didn't assign it to you. | 16:08 |
| th1a | Y | 16:10 |
| ignas | can't see it | 16:10 |
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| th1a | ... | 16:10 |
| th1a | 352027 | 16:10 |
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| jelkner | ptarrant: good morning phil! | 16:27 |
| ptarrant | morning jelkner | 16:28 |
| th1a | good morning ptarrant. | 16:28 |
| ptarrant | morning tom! | 16:28 |
| ptarrant | sorry, shutting down the office for the meeting :) | 16:29 |
| ptarrant | ok, had to kick a student out :) | 16:29 |
| ptarrant | good morning everyone! | 16:30 |
| ptarrant | so how goes things in the world of school tool? | 16:31 |
| th1a | jelkner is talking to me on the phone, so we're being kind of anti-social. | 16:32 |
| ptarrant | HAHA ok that works | 16:32 |
| th1a | I guess we should hang up. | 16:32 |
| jelkner | oops | 16:32 |
| jelkner | sorry about that | 16:32 |
| jelkner | i can't walk and chew gum at the same time | 16:33 |
| jelkner | so talking on the phone and irc chatting is completely beyond me | 16:33 |
| ptarrant | LOL its ok, i never could do that either | 16:33 |
| jelkner | so, ptarrant, i was talking to th1a about pycon | 16:33 |
| jelkner | i had a *wonderful* time there! | 16:33 |
| jelkner | we are really turning the corner on python in education | 16:33 |
| ptarrant | excellent | 16:34 |
| jelkner | i hung around quite a bit with a professor from michigan university | 16:34 |
| jelkner | dr charles severance | 16:34 |
| jelkner | his name tag had "dr chuck" on it | 16:34 |
| jelkner | which is his website too | 16:35 |
| jelkner | http://www.dr-chuck.com | 16:35 |
| jelkner | here is the most interesting part | 16:35 |
| jelkner | he was "Executive Director of the Sakai Foundation and the Chief Architect of the Sakai Project" | 16:35 |
| jelkner | are you familiar with sakai? | 16:36 |
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| ptarrant | nope, i was about to google it :) | 16:36 |
| jelkner | it is a course management system | 16:36 |
| jelkner | apparently used more in universities than in high schools | 16:36 |
| jelkner | but along the lines of moodle | 16:36 |
| ptarrant | ahh, like moodle | 16:36 |
| ptarrant | lol | 16:37 |
| ptarrant | i have a feeling most course management systems are used more in colleges and very rarely used in HS | 16:37 |
| jelkner | anyway, he is currently working on a new course management system using python | 16:37 |
| jelkner | well, we use blackboard here in aps | 16:37 |
| jelkner | but blackboard isn't free software :-( | 16:38 |
| jelkner | nor is it written in python | 16:38 |
| jelkner | so i was very interested to hear about his plans | 16:38 |
| Lumiere | blackboard is used extensively here | 16:38 |
| Lumiere | (in aps) | 16:38 |
| jelkner | he wants to write a course management system that will run in the google cloud | 16:38 |
| jelkner | so that teachers could just create their own instance without installing anything | 16:39 |
| * Lumiere is waiting for someone to make an open source webassign | 16:39 | |
| jelkner | webassign? | 16:39 |
| jelkner | Lumiere: please explain | 16:39 |
| Lumiere | it's an online assignment system | 16:39 |
| Lumiere | that is for math/physics | 16:39 |
| jelkner | you mean for giving out and collecting assignments? | 16:40 |
| ptarrant | it looks like it also does a gradebook | 16:40 |
| Lumiere | yes | 16:40 |
| Lumiere | and it works with blackboard | 16:40 |
| jelkner | Lumiere: wow, funny you should say that! | 16:40 |
| jelkner | so, here is how my conversation with dr chuck went... | 16:40 |
| jelkner | if you could create something i could use to collect assignments, i would start using it immediately | 16:41 |
| jelkner | and, if it was free software and easy enough for a simpleton like me to hack on, i'd work on it, too ;-) | 16:42 |
| jelkner | more important to me than working with moodle, of course, would be for it to work with SchoolTool | 16:43 |
| jelkner | s/moodle/blackboard | 16:43 |
| jelkner | ptarrant: how is your installation going? | 16:43 |
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| ptarrant | it is doing well, currently I am the only one using it as the administration isn't worried about it just yet, they got alot on their plate | 16:44 |
| Lumiere | imo, the long term best solution is making a single way for these to interoperate | 16:44 |
| Lumiere | that is NOT SIF | 16:44 |
| jelkner | Lumiere: i agree | 16:44 |
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| * ptarrant agrees with lumiere on the interoperatng | 16:44 | |
| jelkner | but that will only happen after we make several of them actually work together and can then think concretely about what such a system would need to do | 16:45 |
| ptarrant | in the summer (2 months away here) we are going to move the schooltool to a little rack server I have built | 16:45 |
| jelkner | cool | 16:45 |
| Lumiere | the best interoperating setups are not frameworks... they're simple to implement and quick to function (and sif is neither) | 16:45 |
| ptarrant | there shouldn't be any issues i need to know about with me installing it on ubuntu 8.10 server right? | 16:45 |
| th1a | ptarrant: We did just put up some updated packages yesterday, btw. | 16:46 |
| ptarrant | thla: oh, then i better get on that :) | 16:46 |
| th1a | There are no known issues. | 16:46 |
| Lumiere | intrepid install/upgrade is easy | 16:46 |
| Lumiere | jaunty otoh... ewww ;) | 16:46 |
| th1a | Jaunty doesn't work yet. | 16:46 |
| ptarrant | LOL hint taken :) | 16:46 |
| jelkner | ok, if there is nothing else to discuss, i need to get back to teacher duties... | 16:52 |
| ptarrant | are their any plans in the future of having a student information area added? | 16:52 |
| jelkner | ptarrant: what do you mean by student information area? | 16:53 |
| ptarrant | like, student parent info, contact numbers all of that stuff intergrated with schooltool? | 16:53 |
| jelkner | absolutely | 16:53 |
| ptarrant | in the words of burns: "excellent" lol | 16:54 |
| Lumiere | ptarrant: a lot of that is coming in 2009.04 | 16:54 |
| th1a | Contact info has been written but not merged and released yet. | 16:54 |
| th1a | In the version you download you can customize demographic data fields. | 16:54 |
| ptarrant | awesome | 16:54 |
| th1a | The new package, that is. | 16:54 |
| ptarrant | will existing installs be able to do that? or do i need to re-install? | 16:55 |
| ptarrant | existing after patched that is | 16:55 |
| jelkner | ptarrant: like i told you earlier, we desperately need someone to put all these features into day to day use | 16:55 |
| jelkner | so if you're that guy, we'll be sure to treat you *real* well ;-) | 16:55 |
| Lumiere | what is this... a thai massage parlor? | 16:56 |
| ptarrant | bwhaha i want happy ending! lol j/k | 16:56 |
| jelkner | lol | 16:56 |
| jelkner | don't we all? | 16:56 |
| ptarrant | I'll work on that in the next week | 16:56 |
| ptarrant | the headmaster there just had triple by-pass surgery so the whole school is moving sluggish and not exactly up to par | 16:57 |
| Lumiere | ptarrant: ouch | 16:57 |
| ptarrant | and i just inherited that 1u rack server im installing 8.10 server on now so, it will be getting schooltool installed in a few hours | 16:57 |
| ptarrant | i'll be making sure the 2-3 teachers i can trust get on it at least weekly, its hard to convince them to use 2 gradebooks :) | 16:58 |
| ptarrant | I'll be seeing you guys later, i need to get ready for my class in 5 | 17:00 |
| ptarrant | th1a: i'll update you when i get the machine loaded with schooltool (and perhaps ask for help) :) | 17:00 |
| ptarrant | th1a: would you consider this newest package semi-ready for production? | 17:01 |
| ptarrant | or should it be "testing only" til april? | 17:01 |
| ptarrant | um...may, since april is 1 day away :) | 17:02 |
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| th1a | ptarrant-AFK: Still testing, definitely. | 17:09 |
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