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| jelkner | th1a: good morning, Tom | 16:10 |
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| th1a | Good morning jelkner. | 16:11 |
| jelkner | i don't know if anyone will show for the schooltooler's meeting today, but i'm glad we are starting the process... | 16:12 |
| th1a | If jelkner is happy, th1a is happy. | 16:13 |
| jelkner | lol | 16:13 |
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| jelkner | you've been saying all along that you want SchoolTool to become a real open source project | 16:14 |
| jelkner | th1a: hopefully, this will help | 16:14 |
| th1a | It is a real open source project. | 16:14 |
| jelkner | yes, of course it is! | 16:14 |
| th1a | You may find this entertaining: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/03/education/03vocational.html | 16:14 |
| jelkner | not just entertaining, but *totally* appropriate to our situation at GCTAA. | 16:17 |
| jelkner | thanks | 16:17 |
| jelkner | brb | 16:19 |
| * jelkner goes to see if he can find dwelsh | 16:19 | |
| th1a | ignas: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/schooltool/+bug/334365/comments/13 | 16:20 |
| ignas | argh | 16:23 |
| jelkner | cool, someone in georgia is looking at schooltool! | 16:24 |
| jelkner | we were closed yesterday also | 16:25 |
| jelkner | though we had 6 inches, not 1/4 inch. | 16:25 |
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| jelkner | good morning, replaceafill! | 16:28 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, mr elkner good morning | 16:28 |
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| ptarrant | and I | 16:30 |
| th1a | ptarrant: Could you paste that error message you just showed me here: http://paste.lisp.org/new/schooltool | 16:30 |
| ptarrant | which one? the one from installing xchat? | 16:30 |
| ptarrant | :) | 16:30 |
| th1a | Yes. | 16:30 |
| lisppaste5 | ptarrant pasted "xchat error" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/76409 | 16:31 |
| jelkner | good morning everyone! | 16:31 |
| ptarrant | good morning jelkner :) | 16:31 |
| jelkner | it is 9:30 am EST | 16:31 |
| jelkner | does anyone here have anything the would like to talk about at our 1st weekly schooltoolers meeting? | 16:32 |
| th1a | Why don't you get us started jelkner? | 16:33 |
| * jelkner uses his teacher's skills to allow appropriate wait time... | 16:33 | |
| ptarrant | lol | 16:33 |
| ignas | th1a: what kind of problem is that? (seems like someone has zope packages in his python2.6 site packages) | 16:33 |
| ptarrant | ignas: that would be me | 16:34 |
| jelkner | ok, my goal in calling this meeting is to provide another regular forum (in addition to the mailing list) | 16:34 |
| jelkner | for SchoolTool users to come together to: | 16:34 |
| ignas | ptarrant: Zope3 does not support python2.5 fully yet (I think) so python2.6 is definitely out of question | 16:34 |
| jelkner | 1. share experiences using SchoolTool | 16:34 |
| jelkner | 2. look for help / advice on installation and use | 16:35 |
| jelkner | 3. discuss ideas related to how SchoolTool can better help us serve education | 16:35 |
| th1a | So that message is probably what you get if you try to run SchoolTool on Jaunty now? | 16:35 |
| ignas | jaunty uses python2.6 as the default python? | 16:35 |
| th1a | ??? | 16:36 |
| ptarrant | perhaps? | 16:36 |
| ignas | what was the actual command that was being run? | 16:36 |
| th1a | I don't know. | 16:36 |
| th1a | (about which python jaunty uses) | 16:36 |
| jelkner | i'm going to commit to showing up here for at least the next several tuesdays. | 16:36 |
| jelkner | if it turns out that there is not yet a real demand for this sort of meeting | 16:37 |
| jelkner | i'll try again next fall | 16:37 |
| th1a | Well, the important thing is there is demand from jelkner. | 16:37 |
| ptarrant | ignas: which command? i ran both python2.4 /usr/bin/paster and python2.6 /usr/bin/paster | 16:37 |
| jelkner | lol | 16:37 |
| jelkner | th1a: i just believe that once we break into the big time there will be a need / demand for a meeting place like this | 16:38 |
| th1a | ptarrant got the pasted error while apt-getting xchat | 16:38 |
| ptarrant | jelkner: the forum sounds like a great idea, and i will attend these meetings as long as they are hosted | 16:38 |
| th1a | But it seemed relevant | 16:38 |
| ptarrant | indeed | 16:38 |
| jelkner | ptarrant: cool | 16:39 |
| jelkner | btw. where are you located? | 16:39 |
| ignas | hmm, tricky, i'll have to get a jaunty machine and see what's up | 16:39 |
| ignas | it seems that packages in jaunty have dropped python2.4 support | 16:39 |
| th1a | I think we just need to punt away from trying to debug ptarrant's bug since he upgraded to jaunty. | 16:39 |
| ignas | so i'll probably have to make schooltool python2.5 only | 16:39 |
| th1a | I mean, we need to run on jaunty. | 16:39 |
| ptarrant | jelkner: Ga, USA EST) | 16:39 |
| th1a | But ptarrant also had some pre-existing packaging glitch. | 16:39 |
| th1a | So I don't think we can fix both at the same time. | 16:40 |
| jelkner | ptarrant: great, a southern neighbor of ours | 16:40 |
| ptarrant | agreed, i can install 8.10 tomorrow and re-install schooltool | 16:40 |
| jelkner | ptarrant: are you a teacher, sys admin, administrator? | 16:41 |
| ptarrant | jelkner: actually all 3 | 16:41 |
| jelkner | wow | 16:41 |
| jelkner | which school? | 16:41 |
| ptarrant | jelkner: I'm in a small private school (around 350 students k-12) | 16:41 |
| jelkner | does it have a web site? | 16:41 |
| ptarrant | jelkner: www.briarwoodacademy.com <-- which i built btw | 16:41 |
| jelkner | *very* cool | 16:42 |
| jelkner | your a perfect use case for SchoolTool | 16:42 |
| ptarrant | thats what th1a said :) | 16:42 |
| ptarrant | plus we currently have no SIS what-so-ever | 16:43 |
| jelkner | that's what i meant, in part | 16:43 |
| ptarrant | :) | 16:43 |
| jelkner | many public schools are already invested in some proprietary sis | 16:43 |
| ptarrant | we called a few of them, most wanted around 10-18 thousand for the first year, then a maintance charge every year after that | 16:44 |
| jelkner | so in arlington, for example, it is only by functionality beyond the core sis features that we were able to make inroads | 16:44 |
| jelkner | plus, you are making an unequal deal with a monopoly | 16:45 |
| jelkner | once you go with them | 16:45 |
| jelkner | they got you by the short hairs :-( | 16:45 |
| ptarrant | yep :) | 16:45 |
| jelkner | SchoolTool will be fundamentally different that way | 16:45 |
| jelkner | several competing vendors could support it | 16:45 |
| ptarrant | I tried making something in php/mysql but then i found schooltool and loved it so far | 16:45 |
| jelkner | great! | 16:46 |
| ptarrant | competition drives inivation right :) | 16:46 |
| jelkner | so i was right | 16:46 |
| jelkner | this is the time for this meeting to start | 16:46 |
| jelkner | i would love to hear how it is working for you | 16:46 |
| jelkner | and what you would like it to do that it doesn't yet do | 16:46 |
| ignas | it's not working ;) | 16:46 |
| ignas | he'd like it to work ;) | 16:47 |
| jelkner | ignas: i trust you will take care of that for him soon... | 16:47 |
| ptarrant | LOL ignas is right, it worked for awhile, then crashed, then i updated to jaunty trying to fix stuff i don't know about | 16:47 |
| th1a | ptarrant: You can just wipe your test server? | 16:47 |
| ptarrant | sure | 16:47 |
| ptarrant | its a test server :) | 16:47 |
| ptarrant | its built entirely for schooltools use, nothing else on it ATM | 16:48 |
| th1a | Since you tried that upgrade, unless ignas thinks otherwise, I think we should wipe. | 16:48 |
| jelkner | ptarrant: since your top priority is getting ST running, let me go back to grading and planning and not interrupt further today... | 16:48 |
| jelkner | let's talk again next tuesday | 16:48 |
| th1a | jelkner: I do have a question for you. | 16:48 |
| jelkner | th1a: shoot | 16:48 |
| ignas | th1a: for now - yes, i will get myself a jaunty for testing in some way | 16:48 |
| th1a | How would you feel about a "power teacher" group which had elevated permissions? | 16:49 |
| jelkner | i think that could solve a lot of our problems | 16:49 |
| jelkner | i also think it will be a common use case | 16:49 |
| ptarrant | perhaps "power teachers" could assign students to classes? | 16:49 |
| jelkner | particularly in smaller do-it-yourself deployments that are likely to be common | 16:50 |
| th1a | Yes. | 16:50 |
| ptarrant | ignas: i'll wipe the machine in the morning and get 8.10 on here | 16:50 |
| ignas | ptarrant: ok, write us if it does not work | 16:50 |
| th1a | We'll see if the same bug comes up. | 16:50 |
| ptarrant | will do :) | 16:50 |
| ignas | it seems this release might be quite messy :/ | 16:51 |
| th1a | 2.4 is gone? | 16:51 |
| ignas | might be, i mean - even if 2.4 is still there but our dependencies only ship for 2.5 and 2.6 | 16:51 |
| ignas | we'll either have to upgrade to 2.5 or we'll have to repackage them | 16:52 |
| ignas | also - i still don't know what our plans about cando are | 16:52 |
| ignas | what's the status of the deployment code by Jason | 16:52 |
| ignas | and what are our plans concerning these 2 issues | 16:52 |
| th1a | I'm not worried about packaging CanDo in April. | 16:53 |
| th1a | I mean, we aren't doing it. | 16:53 |
| ignas | ok | 16:54 |
| ignas | and changing our releasing infractructure to support multi instance stuff | 16:54 |
| th1a | That's not a priority for the release. | 16:55 |
| ptarrant | ignas: http://packages.ubuntu.com/jaunty/python <- does that mean 2.6 is default in jaunty? | 16:56 |
| th1a | I mean, particularly if we're going to have complications with Jaunty itself, we can't be doing any extraneous fiddling with packaging. | 16:56 |
| ignas | ptarrant: yep | 16:56 |
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| ptarrant | th1a: installed 8.10 and schooltool, no issues currently. I've yet to setup it up with data, but its installed | 21:40 |
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