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| ignas | th1a: ayt? | 17:58 |
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| th1a | ignas: Hi. | 18:05 |
| ignas | th1a: you have mentioned that i might be going to PyCon, and as my coleagues are going to USA some time soon, they are going through all that US Visa retrieval procedure | 18:06 |
| th1a | Yes. | 18:06 |
| ignas | and i just thought that it might be a good idea to start working on Visa sooner | 18:06 |
| ignas | rather than later | 18:07 |
| th1a | OK. Do you need a letter? | 18:07 |
| ignas | frankly i don't know what i will need :/ | 18:07 |
| ignas | never did that before | 18:07 |
| ignas | hmm, i know i'll need to know the exact dates | 18:07 |
| ignas | as for other things Albertas is the expert (he visited Zope corp recently), and he's in UK at the moment | 18:08 |
| ignas | just wanted to check with you if it's not too early to be worried about it | 18:09 |
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| aelkner | thla: did you get my note? | 18:22 |
| th1a | ignas: OK. I'll work on figuring out when I'll want you here. | 18:22 |
| th1a | aelkner: Yes... looking at it now. | 18:23 |
| th1a | aelkner: If you just want to write comments in the code, I can give you commit access. | 18:24 |
| aelkner | Well, I need to do more than that soon. | 18:24 |
| aelkner | Can we talk about ZisBase? | 18:24 |
| aelkner | I think we should have a class that is used by both server and agents for message building/parsing. | 18:25 |
| aelkner | We shouldn't be coding redundantly here as that leads to sloppyness in the code. | 18:26 |
| aelkner | Both agents and the server need to build/parse the same messages. | 18:26 |
| aelkner | I don't see why we can't continue using the same class structure you have. | 18:26 |
| aelkner | I figure our agant classes could derive from the same class that the ZisHandler derives from. | 18:27 |
| aelkner | That will require that ZisBase is able to be used that way. | 18:28 |
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| mt_ | hi all. anybody out there? | 18:28 |
| ignas | hi | 18:30 |
| mt_ | I just installed schooltool from the repos in ubuntu 6.10, and when I add content I get the ever-so-helpful message "A System Error Occurred". Also, I can;t seem to find the devmode switch in schooltool.conf, and when I added it manually schooltool wouldn't start. | 18:30 |
| mt_ | hi ignas | 18:30 |
| ignas | mt_: http://issues.schooltool.org/issue513 | 18:31 |
| ignas | i'd guess | 18:32 |
| aelkner | Tom: your thoughts? | 18:32 |
| mt_ | ignas: Thanks for the suggestion. Sorry to be a pain, but is this packaged anywhere for easy installation? | 18:38 |
| wdickers | Well my time's up. I'll see you later aelkner | 18:39 |
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| aelkner | See you wdickers. | 18:39 |
| ignas | mt_: what this? | 18:39 |
| mt_ | http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-zope-commits/2006-October/000342.html | 18:39 |
| jelkner | th1a: tom, do we have a wiki available for schooltool? | 18:39 |
| th1a | Uh... not really. Integrating a wiki into a Plone site just sows confusion. | 18:39 |
| ignas | mt_: i don't know, you could ask in #zope3-dev about the progress of this bug | 18:40 |
| mt_ | oh ok. thanks | 18:40 |
| jelkner | hmm... a wiki is what i'm used to using for organizing efforts like this | 18:40 |
| ignas | jelkner: you could look at the trac instance of schooltool | 18:40 |
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| aelkner | thla: I'm still waiting... | 18:42 |
| jelkner | ignas: searching for "schooltool" at trac turns up empty | 18:42 |
| th1a | aelkner: Oh, sorry... | 18:42 |
| ignas | http://source.schooltool.org/trac/ ? | 18:43 |
| jelkner | i want to setup a wiki to keep trac of the modules we are working on, who is assigned to each one, the progress of the work, etc | 18:43 |
| jelkner | oh, hold on... | 18:43 |
| th1a | aelkner: That's fine with me. | 18:44 |
| ignas | jelkner: i guess you could get a log in if you need one | 18:44 |
| ignas | jelkner: anonymous editing is turned of because of spam issues | 18:44 |
| jelkner | ignas: how easy is it to add users? | 18:45 |
| aelkner | thla: when would you be available to pair with me on tinyzis? | 18:45 |
| ignas | jelkner: very very NOT easy | 18:45 |
| jelkner | could i be given that ability? | 18:45 |
| jelkner | then it is not a good solution for what i'm trying to do | 18:45 |
| jelkner | i want all the developers to be able to update the site easily | 18:46 |
| th1a | jelkner: Perhaps you should just set up a wiki on one of your servers? | 18:46 |
| jelkner | th1a: sure | 18:46 |
| jelkner | i was planning on that if you didn't have a different preference | 18:46 |
| jelkner | i wanted to check in first | 18:46 |
| jelkner | i'll take care of it. | 18:47 |
| th1a | We've just found mixing our main site and a wiki to be unsuccessful. | 18:47 |
| th1a | aelkner: You mean coming up here? | 18:47 |
| aelkner | Eventually, that would be nice, but for now I thought we could also do some on-line. | 18:47 |
| aelkner | But not on #schooltool, something more focused. | 18:48 |
| aelkner | gmail chat? | 18:48 |
| th1a | Gobby? | 18:48 |
| aelkner | Even better. | 18:48 |
| aelkner | What do we need to do to set that up? | 18:49 |
| th1a | I can do that sort of thing whenever, more or less. | 18:49 |
| th1a | I think we need a server. | 18:49 |
| aelkner | Well we need to make appointments with each other. | 18:49 |
| aelkner | It helps to be able to set the time aside and to prepare for working together. | 18:49 |
| jelkner | aelkner: we have gobby | 18:49 |
| jelkner | on maddog | 18:49 |
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| aelkner | I was thinking that too. | 18:50 |
| aelkner | But TOm might have something else in mind. | 18:50 |
| Lumiere | hi | 18:50 |
| th1a | No, maddog is fine. | 18:50 |
| th1a | hi Lumiere | 18:50 |
| Lumiere | hi | 18:50 |
| aelkner | Let's start by talking about commit access | 18:50 |
| jelkner | i asked Lumiere to join us to help figure this out | 18:50 |
| th1a | Figure what out? | 18:51 |
| aelkner | I have done the svn co to my maddog account. | 18:51 |
| jelkner | each week we will have a meeting (1 pm on Monday) | 18:51 |
| jelkner | th1a: i want a web site that gives us a summary of what everyone is doing | 18:51 |
| jelkner | which modules are being worked on, who is working on what | 18:51 |
| jelkner | how things are going | 18:52 |
| th1a | Oh, sorry, I'm getting my *elkners confused. | 18:52 |
| jelkner | a wiki is ideal for that | 18:52 |
| Lumiere | j for the insane teacher | 18:52 |
| jelkner | indeed ;-) | 18:52 |
| th1a | jelkner: Is this another vote of no confidence in LaunchPad? | 18:52 |
| Lumiere | hmm | 18:52 |
| jelkner | not at all | 18:53 |
| jelkner | launchpad is great for bug tracking, feature specs, etc | 18:53 |
| jelkner | but it doesn't provide a single page overview of what is going on | 18:53 |
| aelkner | elkners in stereo. You know Tom enjoys that. | 18:53 |
| jelkner | or maybe i just don't know how to use it well enough | 18:53 |
| jelkner | that's why i'm asking here before doing anything | 18:54 |
| th1a | No, I was just curious. | 18:56 |
| th1a | aelkner: OK, you should have commit access. | 18:57 |
| th1a | Check your inbox. | 18:57 |
| aelkner | Ok. | 18:57 |
| aelkner | Thanks thla. | 18:59 |
| aelkner | I agree with the passoword. | 19:00 |
| aelkner | Jeff and I are working on setting up sobby on maddog. | 19:00 |
| Lumiere | sobby? | 19:01 |
| aelkner | Apparently sobby is the server compnent of gobby. | 19:01 |
| jelkner | before i ask here, let me follow the web link in the warning | 19:02 |
| jelkner | Lumiere: sobby is the gobby server | 19:02 |
| Lumiere | ooook | 19:02 |
| jelkner | do you know about gobby? | 19:02 |
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| jelkner | ok, i'm stuck | 19:04 |
| jelkner | jinty: are you here? | 19:05 |
| jelkner | i can't start sobby | 19:05 |
| jinty | jelkner: ype | 19:05 |
| jinty | yep | 19:05 |
| jelkner | jelkner@maddog:~$ sobby | 19:05 |
| jelkner | Generating RSA key pair... | 19:05 |
| jelkner | Opening session... | 19:05 |
| jelkner | *** WARNING *** The programme 'sobby' uses the HOWL compatiblity layer of Avahi. | 19:05 |
| jelkner | *** WARNING *** Please fix your application to use the native API of Avahi! | 19:05 |
| jelkner | *** WARNING *** For more information see <http://0pointer.de/avahi-compat?s=howl&e=sobby> | 19:05 |
| jelkner | sw_discovery_init() failed. | 19:05 |
| jelkner | the warnings, apparently, are not the problem | 19:05 |
| jelkner | but that last failure is | 19:05 |
| * jinty has no clue what gobby sobby or avahi are... | 19:06 | |
| jelkner | ok, thanks anyway | 19:06 |
| th1a | Avhi is zeroconf/rendezvous stuff. | 19:07 |
| th1a | aka bonjour. | 19:07 |
| jelkner | aelkner: are you on sasha.elkner.net? | 19:14 |
| aelkner | yes. why? | 19:14 |
| jelkner | is gobby installed? | 19:15 |
| jelkner | never mind, i'm installing it now | 19:15 |
| aelkner | I'm looged in, and it doesn't appear in the internet menu. | 19:16 |
| jelkner | check now | 19:16 |
| jelkner | under internet | 19:16 |
| jelkner | aelkner: well? | 19:17 |
| aelkner | Sorry, I was away. | 19:18 |
| Lumiere | brb | 19:18 |
| aelkner | It's there now. | 19:18 |
| jelkner | cool | 19:18 |
| jelkner | start it | 19:18 |
| aelkner | Howl initialization failed. | 19:19 |
| jelkner | yes, ignor that | 19:19 |
| jelkner | then click "Create Session" | 19:19 |
| aelkner | ok. | 19:19 |
| aelkner | port? | 19:19 |
| jelkner | the default | 19:19 |
| jelkner | leave that alone | 19:19 |
| jelkner | password banana | 19:19 |
| jelkner | port was 6522, yes? | 19:20 |
| aelkner | ok. | 19:20 |
| aelkner | yes. | 19:20 |
| jelkner | darn, i think i'm hitting fire wall issues | 19:21 |
| jelkner | i can't connect | 19:21 |
| aelkner | I see. | 19:21 |
| jelkner | never mind, we have the router there blocking ports | 19:21 |
| jelkner | i'll look into that tonight | 19:22 |
| aelkner | Shall I configure it? | 19:22 |
| jelkner | if you can | 19:22 |
| aelkner | Just tell me how. | 19:22 |
| jelkner | i need to look at the documentation | 19:22 |
| jelkner | better when i get there | 19:22 |
| aelkner | ok. | 19:22 |
| jelkner | let me try here again | 19:22 |
| jelkner | brb | 19:22 |
| aelkner | what does brb mean? | 19:23 |
| aelkner | be right back. | 19:23 |
| aelkner | Stepping away to get some grub. Be back in five. | 19:25 |
| jelkner | th1a: ok tom, looking at launch pad confirms what i thought | 19:30 |
| jelkner | i think launchpad is the way to go for bug and feature tracking | 19:30 |
| jelkner | but it doesn't replace the need for a wiki | 19:30 |
| jelkner | we need a wiki for the "big picture" view of what is going on | 19:30 |
| th1a | jelkner: OK. I was just wondering. | 19:31 |
| jelkner | so the question is: can you add a zwiki to the schooltool zope instance, or should jason set up a wiki elseware and we point wiki.schooltool.org to it? | 19:31 |
| aelkner | I'm back. | 19:32 |
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| th1a | Just put it somewhere else. | 19:34 |
| th1a | Adding zwiki just confuses everyone. | 19:34 |
| jelkner | th1a: will do | 19:34 |
| jelkner | although i'm not sure why folks are confused? | 19:35 |
| th1a | jelkner :How do you decide what is a plone doc and what is a wiki page? | 20:28 |
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| Lumiere | th1a: the wiki would be a completely separate siteroot of zope? | 21:58 |
| Lumiere | for like dev.schooltool.org | 21:58 |
| Lumiere | and then you link to it if you want to, or just leave it be | 21:58 |
| Lumiere | and tell developers about it | 21:59 |
| jelkner | exactly. there would not even need to be *any* reference to it from the main schooltool site | 22:00 |
| Lumiere | anyways | 22:00 |
| Lumiere | I have to go file paperwork | 22:00 |
| Lumiere | I'll be back later | 22:00 |
| jelkner | and i have to go home | 22:00 |
| jelkner | see you later... | 22:00 |
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