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| pcardune | th1a or th1a|X60s, I did some work on refactoring the actions menu over the weekend | 20:55 |
| pcardune | I wanted to get your good graces before actually commiting the changes | 20:55 |
| pcardune | here is a screenshot of one page utilizing what I've done: http://www.ibiblio.org/paulcarduner/menuDropDownScreenShot.png | 20:57 |
| ignas | err maybe it's nice, can't tell without looking at the code | 21:00 |
| ignas | pcardune: you know that at the moment I and gintas are refactoring that part a bit ? | 21:01 |
| ignas | from the code/permission side | 21:01 |
| pcardune | yeah I do | 21:01 |
| pcardune | you created a viewlet right? | 21:01 |
| ignas | yes | 21:01 |
| pcardune | or rather a viewlet manager | 21:01 |
| pcardune | I reused what you wrote for this | 21:01 |
| ignas | and now i am devising a way to show only those viewlets that should be in there | 21:01 |
| ignas | and dealing with composite objects etc. | 21:02 |
| ignas | how does that menu look when one is looking at his calendar ? | 21:02 |
| ignas | his preferences ? | 21:02 |
| ignas | his personal info ? | 21:02 |
| pcardune | yeah | 21:03 |
| ignas | a student, not a manager ... | 21:03 |
| pcardune | on my screen, each viewlet registered with your viewlet manager is a tab | 21:03 |
| pcardune | when you register a viewlet, if you use a new viewlet class I made, you can specify a menu to display as a dropdown | 21:04 |
| ignas | i see | 21:04 |
| pcardune | and you can even put other viewlets in that dropdown | 21:04 |
| ignas | what are you calling a tab ? | 21:04 |
| pcardune | one of the little square things (Add, Edit, Information, Actions) | 21:05 |
| pcardune | each of those are a tab | 21:05 |
| ignas | oh | 21:05 |
| ignas | because i am calling firefox style thingies tabs | 21:05 |
| th1a|X60s | pcardune: Hi. | 21:06 |
| pcardune | I don't know what else to call them. I was going to change the variable names before a commit so if you have any suggestions... | 21:06 |
| pcardune | hi th1a|X60s | 21:06 |
| th1a|X60s | I'm a bit flustered here trying to get caught up since my trip. | 21:06 |
| ignas | pcardune: well, calling them tabs would break the metaphor pretty badly i'd say | 21:06 |
| pcardune | yeah | 21:06 |
| pcardune | (they are just called menu bar viewlets in the code I think) | 21:07 |
| ignas | i am still not sure whether having them makes UI easier to understand/use | 21:07 |
| th1a|X60s | I think I'd rather have the actions in the sidebar. | 21:07 |
| * ignas is trying to reduce the amount of actions in the menus now while leaving them in place | 21:07 | |
| pcardune | Are you going to do something with the Navigation menu too then? | 21:07 |
| th1a|X60s | Or perhaps in the long run we could push everything to the top to allow | 21:08 |
| th1a|X60s | more width in the main working area. | 21:08 |
| th1a|X60s | pcardune: Did you read what I wrote about this a few weeks ago? | 21:08 |
| pcardune | I might have | 21:08 |
| th1a|X60s | The navigation menu should go away. | 21:09 |
| ignas | th1a|X60s: imho just shufling things around is not really help any, i am thinking of making Navigation/Action stuff manageable and sane | 21:09 |
| pcardune | yeah, i do remember you saying something to that effect | 21:09 |
| ignas | s/help any/going to help any/ | 21:09 |
| th1a|X60s | ignas: Am I proposing we just shuffle things around? | 21:10 |
| pcardune | ignas, do you have a document that explains what you are planning more specifically? | 21:10 |
| ignas | th1a|X60s: i was replying to the "move navigation to the top" bit | 21:10 |
| th1a|X60s | Well, there is the email I wrote. | 21:10 |
| th1a|X60s | ignas: Agreed. That's not the priority. | 21:11 |
| ignas | pcardune: sorry, not really, at the moment i am making action infrastructure not show anything you can't do | 21:11 |
| th1a|X60s | But it might be nice in the long run to make more work space. | 21:11 |
| ignas | and then i think i'll have a muvh clearer picture | 21:11 |
| th1a|X60s | ignas: We do need to come up with a proposal this week. | 21:12 |
| ignas | yes indeed | 21:12 |
| ignas | i was waiting for a preliminary feature list | 21:12 |
| th1a|X60s | Ok. | 21:12 |
| ignas | of what must be done | 21:12 |
| ignas | and when | 21:12 |
| pcardune | th1a|X60s, more work space is big for us (we have that massive grading spreadsheet) | 21:12 |
| th1a|X60s | I would be ok with pcardune setting up the action menu across the top, | 21:13 |
| th1a|X60s | if we can coordinate it between the two teams. | 21:13 |
| ignas | pcardune: for your usecase i'd make Navigation menu retractable (same way as dashboard) just for that view | 21:14 |
| pcardune | I think I haven't broken anything of yours. I would just have to change the style sheet a bit | 21:14 |
| th1a|X60s | We really shouldn't have a navigation menu. | 21:14 |
| ignas | doable | 21:16 |
| ignas | if i only knew what people should see | 21:16 |
| pcardune | ignas: for example, the "Import Persons" viewlet you made is put in an <li> tag which doesn't look good in my viewlet yet | 21:16 |
| ignas | pcardune: it's old, just fix it ... | 21:16 |
| ignas | or maybe new :/ | 21:16 |
| th1a|X60s | ignas: What do you mean about what people should see? | 21:17 |
| ignas | don't know really, gintas made some changes | 21:17 |
| th1a|X60s | You want some kind of table for each built-in group? | 21:17 |
| ignas | th1a|X60s: now that you say that | 21:17 |
| * ignas typing | 21:17 | |
| pcardune | well, the <li> tag makes sense for the actions section on the left column as it is nested in a <ul>. My drop downs are in a table | 21:17 |
| ignas | we can have tabs for every important group you belong to, leading to some kind of control pannel/ default view for that sort of user | 21:18 |
| ignas | like - Teacher, Administrator tabs for someone in both groups | 21:18 |
| ignas | Just Studies/Student tab for students | 21:18 |
| ignas | that would show information that is relevant to the student | 21:19 |
| ignas | or even hide the tab list if you can only see 1 of them | 21:19 |
| ignas | that would solve the multi purpose user usecase nicely | 21:19 |
| th1a|X60s | ignas: I think in this iteration we should assume everyone is only in one built-in group. | 21:19 |
| th1a|X60s | Perhaps we should enforce it, though. | 21:20 |
| ignas | then listing things important to each of them would be nice, and then emailing it to the mailing list for public consideration | 21:20 |
| ignas | and comments | 21:20 |
| th1a|X60s | There really isn't much to it. | 21:20 |
| th1a|X60s | But I can do that. | 21:21 |
| th1a|X60s | It is pretty easy since all the administrative roles are lumped together. | 21:21 |
| ignas | th1a|X60s: i think there might be, as well students must see links to their gradebooks, next day, this day events, don't know what else | 21:21 |
| ignas | while managers should see Person/Group containers | 21:22 |
| ignas | some of things will be available to more than one of them etc. | 21:22 |
| ignas | i just can't imagine a well defined panel for each group of principals | 21:22 |
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| th1a|X60s | There just isn't that much teachers and students can do. | 21:24 |
| pcardune | In CanDo, teachers and students can do a lot more | 21:24 |
| pcardune | curriculum, student journals, creating evidence of skill acquisition | 21:25 |
| th1a|X60s | Well, I have some even more pressing stuff breathing down my neck... | 21:25 |
| ignas | i know, just that i am not very good at designing a UI without knowing what must be visible etc. | 21:25 |
| th1a|X60s | I'll have to work on this tomorrow. | 21:25 |
| th1a|X60s | And we might not really resolve this until next week at NELS. | 21:26 |
| th1a|X60s | When we can knock this around in person. | 21:26 |
| th1a|X60s | When is alga's visa meeting? | 21:26 |
| ignas | day after tomorow | 21:26 |
| th1a|X60s | OK. | 21:26 |
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| jelkner | th1a: tom, u here? | 21:46 |
| jelkner | srichter: how about u? | 21:46 |
| pcardune | jelkner: http://www.ibiblio.org/paulcarduner/menuDropDownScreenShot.png | 21:47 |
| pcardune | jelkner, try th1a|X60s | 21:47 |
| jelkner | wow! | 21:48 |
| jelkner | th1a|X60s: tom, u here? | 21:48 |
| jelkner | pcardune: i'm looking forward to thursday | 21:49 |
| jelkner | nick and i will have the server situation worked out (with backups available!) by tomorrow night | 21:49 |
| pcardune | ok | 21:50 |
| pcardune | can you guys move the home folders from nick's server onto the new one? | 21:51 |
| pcardune | except for the home folders that are empty... those home folders you should move from maddog | 21:51 |
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| jelkner | pcardune: yes, nick can move the folders | 22:12 |
| jelkner | we'll touch base with you to make sure we have everything setup correctly | 22:13 |
| pcardune | ok | 22:13 |
| jelkner | pcardune: i need to run, paul, i'll talk to you tomorrow... | 22:14 |
| pcardune | ok, bye | 22:14 |
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